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I'm on the >latest revision of the emacs-29 branch, and I really can't reproduce >at all. > >I've tried typing out the concrete code-samples above, and I've tried >copy-pasting them. > >No matter what I do, I cannot reproduce the behaviour outlined above. > >Ergus: Could you come up with a even more complete example? > >I mean... If I can't reproduce, I definitely won't be able to come up >with a patch. > >-- >Jostein > Hi Jostein: I just do: emacs -Q /tmp/main.cs Then pasted (or write) the code snippet shown in the example, and re-indent the buffer: I get this: new myNamespace.myClass { Name1 = 1, Name2 =2 } Exactly like in the example C-c C-o shows the same than in the example. Even the fontification is wrong. If I remove the dot like this myNamespacemyClass the fontification and indentation is fixed immediately. I am using the master branch (emacs-version = 30.0.50) tomorrow I can try to reproduce the issue on emacs-29 branch, but I have to build it. Best, Ergus
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Then for the bad news: I may be missing something here. I'm on the latest revision of the emacs-29 branch, and I really can't reproduce at all. I've tried typing out the concrete code-samples above, and I've tried copy-pasting them. No matter what I do, I cannot reproduce the behaviour outlined above. Ergus: Could you come up with a even more complete example? I mean... If I can't reproduce, I definitely won't be able to come up with a patch. -- Jostein
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Full text available.Received: (at 61541) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Feb 2023 19:28:10 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 17 14:28:10 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41597 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1pT6Ow-0005nx-HU for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2023 14:28:10 -0500 Received: from out0.migadu.com ([94.23.1.103]:20448) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <theo@HIDDEN>) id 1pT6Ov-0005nq-Lx for 61541 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2023 14:28:10 -0500 X-Report-Abuse: Please report any abuse attempt to abuse@HIDDEN and include these headers. DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=thornhill.no; s=key1; t=1676662089; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=gZjQS3bK0PtNoAc/Vievy1LtC+6brpOcISWMo+vMtys=; b=jRzfBkg5wTR55v3onmWDMHjeBhKmQyuvLvJ+YSjGLDr05t/5hvoK+njXWk+J7xp3xAQxSE +A2HdaA/ISQ8rlCXM/7KxlqIYqZ5TOsZmBAxLaINZza7tO186Yfvuer+nWrXdpQuL3n3nL Yu8EPIM91tXy0Trg3GMH74gGEt08dA0G1TvONNC7UKiTPdUGsEopB2/jzKK0+uS3szhJJn COF2BJ3XdejTFQitGaKO+ASb+6UapHo1sL4y6OypOOlGZHcox2J6cBV7NsED0eA0k10lzA 1pK3SiHpGNsEV7+/qbiiq90DEYrG0FvT7Z3HvEU1IpeWlq2xFPJP6xwTsGiN3Q== From: Theodor Thornhill <theo@HIDDEN> To: Ergus <spacibba@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#61541: 30.0.50; Wrong indentarion in csharp-mode In-Reply-To: <87k00i7hko.fsf@HIDDEN> (Ergus's message of "Wed, 15 Feb 2023 22:19:03 +0100") References: <87k00i7hko.fsf.ref@HIDDEN> <87k00i7hko.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2023 20:28:07 +0100 Message-ID: <87a61cozw8.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_OUT X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 61541 Cc: jostein@HIDDEN, 61541 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Ergus <spacibba@HIDDEN> writes: > Hi: > > I just found that this indentations are wrong in csharp mode: > > // wrong > new myNamespace.myClass > { > Name1 = x.Value, // defun-block-intro > var2 = 2 // statement-cont > } // statement-cont > > > The problem seems to be related with the dot (.) in the new, because > this variant indents correctly: > > // right > new myClass > { > Name1 = x.Value, // brace-list-intro > var2 = 2 // brace-list-entry > } // brace-list-close > > > csharp-ts-mode is doing it right BTW. > Hi! Yeah, this is one of the harder issues iirc, and one of the ones that made us move to tree-sitter in csharp-mode in the first place. What do you think Jostein? Patches welcome! Theo
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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 40c5b5e6db7bc3038a4dcf4537530feb; Wed, 15 Feb 2023 21:19:33 +0000 (UTC) From: Ergus <spacibba@HIDDEN> To: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN Subject: 30.0.50; Wrong indentarion in csharp-mode Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2023 22:19:03 +0100 Message-ID: <87k00i7hko.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain References: <87k00i7hko.fsf.ref@HIDDEN> X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.21183 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.aol Content-Length: 7896 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=74.6.132.42; envelope-from=spacibba@HIDDEN; helo=sonic306-3.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) Hi: I just found that this indentations are wrong in csharp mode: // wrong new myNamespace.myClass { Name1 = x.Value, // defun-block-intro var2 = 2 // statement-cont } // statement-cont The problem seems to be related with the dot (.) in the new, because this variant indents correctly: // right new myClass { Name1 = x.Value, // brace-list-intro var2 = 2 // brace-list-entry } // brace-list-close csharp-ts-mode is doing it right BTW. 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