Received: (at 61652) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Feb 2023 13:37:19 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 21 08:37:19 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55021 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1pUSpa-00054Y-D2 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Feb 2023 08:37:19 -0500 Received: from mailout10.t-online.de ([194.25.134.21]:36108) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <bernd.rellermeyer@HIDDEN>) id 1pUS2x-0002ht-3Z for 61652 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Feb 2023 07:47:04 -0500 Received: from fwd88.dcpf.telekom.de (fwd88.aul.t-online.de [10.223.144.114]) by mailout10.t-online.de (Postfix) with SMTP id 78C003E0B6; Tue, 21 Feb 2023 13:47:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtpclient.apple ([62.216.210.159]) by fwd88.t-online.de with (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 encrypted) esmtp id 1pUS2v-0Xydg90; Tue, 21 Feb 2023 13:47:01 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3731.400.51.1.1\)) Subject: Re: bug#61652: 28.2; Read-only mode and View mode From: Bernd Rellermeyer <bernd.rellermeyer@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <83bklov1ny.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2023 13:46:50 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3C58A00D-8E01-4CC8-BFEA-CCC6CB798B35@HIDDEN> References: <m1ilfwu3sy.fsf@HIDDEN> <83bklov1ny.fsf@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.400.51.1.1) X-TOI-EXPURGATEID: 150726::1676983621-726BD7D8-7C9B7B2A/0/0 CLEAN NORMAL X-TOI-MSGID: 08b201bc-19d3-4a44-917c-8ff33ed1f1c1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 61652 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 21 Feb 2023 08:37:15 -0500 Cc: 61652 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) In step 3, View mode is entered implicitly, because `view-read-only` is = non-nil. =46rom the user perspective it is only one command. I.e. the = user just turns off and on Read-only mode. That means the user enters = View mode vie Read-Only mode from a writable buffer. I think this should = not alter the behavior of `View-exit` and after calling `View-exit` he = should be in a writable buffer. Or am I wrong? > Am 20.02.2023 um 15:42 schrieb Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>: >=20 >> From: Bernd Rellermeyer <bernd.rellermeyer@HIDDEN> >> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2023 09:41:33 +0100 >>=20 >>=20 >> I have the following scenario: >>=20 >> 1. View a buffer in View mode. >> 2. Turn off Read-Only mode, e.g. by pressing `C-x C-q`. >> 3. Turn on Read-Only mode and View mode again, eg. by pressing `C-x >> C-q`- >> 4. Exit View mode by `View-exit`, e.g. by pressing `e`. >>=20 >> Now the buffer is in Read-Only mode. In my opinion it should be >> writable. The reason is the variable `view-old-buffer-read-only`, = which >> is set on entering View mode (`view--enable`) to the (old) value of >> `buffer-read-only`. But in my scenario, the value of = `buffer-read-only` >> is already the new one, as set in `read-only-mode`. >=20 > If the buffer is already read-only when you enter View mode, why > should we reset read-only when exiting View mode? We are trying to > leave the buffer as we found it, which in this case is read-only. >=20 > Or what am I missing?
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I have the following scenario:
1. View a buffer in View mode.
2. Turn off Read-Only mode, e.g. by pressing `C-x C-q`.
3. Turn on Read-Only mode and View mode again, eg. by pressing `C-x
C-q`-
4. Exit View mode by `View-exit`, e.g. by pressing `e`.
Now the buffer is in Read-Only mode. In my opinion it should be
writable. The reason is the variable `view-old-buffer-read-only`, which
is set on entering View mode (`view--enable`) to the (old) value of
`buffer-read-only`. But in my scenario, the value of `buffer-read-only`
is already the new one, as set in `read-only-mode`.
I think the solution is to reset `read-only-mode` to nil in the specific
branch of `read-only-mode` and depend on the fact that it is set to t in
`view--enable`:
```
(cond
((and (not buffer-read-only) view-mode)
(View-exit-and-edit)
(setq-local view-read-only t)) ; Must leave view mode.
((and buffer-read-only view-read-only
;; If view-mode is already active, `view-mode-enter' is a nop.
(not view-mode)
(not (eq (get major-mode 'mode-class) 'special)))
(setq buffer-read-only nil)
(view-mode-enter))))
```
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mail-utils cus-edit pp cus-load wid-edit edmacro kmacro tex-site info
package browse-url url url-proxy url-privacy url-expand url-methods
url-history url-cookie url-domsuf url-util mailcap url-handlers
url-parse auth-source cl-seq eieio eieio-core cl-macs eieio-loaddefs
password-cache json subr-x map url-vars seq byte-opt gv bytecomp
byte-compile cconv cl-loaddefs cl-lib iso-transl tooltip eldoc paren
electric uniquify ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type elisp-mode mwheel
term/ns-win ns-win ucs-normalize mule-util term/common-win tool-bar dnd
fontset image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list replace newcomment
text-mode lisp-mode prog-mode register page tab-bar menu-bar rfn-eshadow
isearch easymenu timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax
font-core term/tty-colors frame minibuffer cl-generic cham georgian
utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean
japanese eucjp-ms cp51932 hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european
ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese composite emoji-zwj charscript charprop
case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev obarray
cl-preloaded nadvice button loaddefs faces cus-face macroexp files
window text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages
mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote threads kqueue
cocoa ns multi-tty make-network-process emacs)
Memory information:
((conses 16 605640 36594)
(symbols 48 36818 4)
(strings 32 124518 7449)
(string-bytes 1 4182471)
(vectors 16 67356)
(vector-slots 8 1431598 28878)
(floats 8 501 324)
(intervals 56 10795 698)
(buffers 992 32))
Bernd Rellermeyer <bernd.rellermeyer@HIDDEN>:bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN.
Full text available.bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#61652; Package emacs.
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1997 nCipher Corporation Ltd,
1994-97 Ian Jackson.