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Redumping libraries that create overlays on loading fails now, but did
not in 28.2.  For example, the following line from icomplete makes it
fail while dumping:
emacs -Q -batch --eval '(defvar icomplete-overlay (make-overlay
(point-min) (point-min) nil t t)  "Overlay used to display the list of
completions.")' --eval '(dump-emacs-portable "test.pdmp")'
will dump core.

Redumping libraries that treesit-font-lock-rules will also fail now due
to a "weird pseudovector".  This is not a regression itself, as it is a
new feature, but it has been added to libraries that previously redumped
without issue, such as sh-script.  So
emacs -Q -batch --eval '(load "progmodes/sh-script")' --eval
'(dump-emacs-portable "test.pdmp")'
will fail.

These issues make switching to 29.1 a non-starter for users relying on
redumping to make startup time reasonable.

In GNU Emacs 29.0.60 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version
 3.24.34, cairo version 1.16.0) of 2023-02-12 built on
 localhost.localdomain
Repository revision: d4fc70129786f0c90f76e1868203d63a59f3f92d
Repository branch: emacs-29
Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12003000
System Description: openSUSE Leap 15.4

Configured features:
ACL CAIRO DBUS FREETYPE GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS GPM GSETTINGS HARFBUZZ JPEG
JSON LCMS2 LIBOTF LIBSELINUX LIBSYSTEMD LIBXML2 M17N_FLT MODULES NOTIFY
INOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SECCOMP SOUND SQLITE3 THREADS TIFF
TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS TREE_SITTER WEBP X11 XDBE XIM XINPUT2 XPM GTK3 ZLIB

Important settings:
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> From: Lynn Winebarger <owinebar@HIDDEN>
> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2023 07:55:53 -0500
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> These issues make switching to 29.1 a non-starter for users relying on
> redumping to make startup time reasonable.

No one should be relying on redumping, because Emacs does not (yet)
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On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 9:50 AM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote:
> > From: Lynn Winebarger <owinebar@HIDDEN>
> > Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2023 07:55:53 -0500
> >
> > These issues make switching to 29.1 a non-starter for users relying on
> > redumping to make startup time reasonable.
>
> No one should be relying on redumping, because Emacs does not (yet)
> support that.

In what sense?  As of 28.2, practically every library included with
the emacs distribution that can be loaded successfully can be followed
by an invocation of dump-emacs-portable without an error, and
certainly without any core dumps.  Those dump files can also be loaded
successfully.
The normal-top-level function is brittle, as is the system for setting
customization variables at startup.  But those issues are separate
from the redumping functionality, by which I only mean invoking
dump-emacs-portable outside of dump-mode.

Lynn

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> From: Lynn Winebarger <owinebar@HIDDEN>
> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2023 17:48:19 -0500
> Cc: 61733 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 9:50 AM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote:
> > > From: Lynn Winebarger <owinebar@HIDDEN>
> > > Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2023 07:55:53 -0500
> > >
> > > These issues make switching to 29.1 a non-starter for users relying on
> > > redumping to make startup time reasonable.
> >
> > No one should be relying on redumping, because Emacs does not (yet)
> > support that.
> 
> In what sense?

In the sense that it doesn't yet work reliably.  If it works for
someone, it's sheer luck.  E.g., see this:

  https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=34936#16

> The normal-top-level function is brittle, as is the system for setting
> customization variables at startup.  But those issues are separate
> from the redumping functionality, by which I only mean invoking
> dump-emacs-portable outside of dump-mode.

They are not separate, they are all part of a large problem: some
initialization code in Emacs doesn't support multiple restarts.

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