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Subject: Re: bug#62064: Why is only rust-1.60 exported when 1.65 is defined?
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Hi,
On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 at 21:11, paren--- via Bug reports for GNU Guix <bug-guix@HIDDEN> wrote:
> There's another important reason:
>
> rust != rust-1.60
Well, as discussed in [1]
[bug#62643] [PATCH] gnu: rust-1.65: Rename package to rust-next.
this report #62064 is not a bug but instead a wish list: upgrade the
Rust ecosystem. Therefore, I am in favor to close it. WDYT?
1: http://issues.guix.gnu.org/issue/62643
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simon
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Subject: Re: bug#62064: Why is only rust-1.60 exported when 1.65 is defined?
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Hi,
On mar., 14 mars 2023 at 08:59, Jonas M=C3=B8ller via Bug reports for GNU G=
uix <bug-guix@HIDDEN> wrote:
> I think it would be best if Guix separated these concerns, by
> disconnecting the "Rust we use to build packages internally" with the
> "Rust that gets installed with `guix install rust`"=20
Using your proposal, how do you deal with
guix install rust rust-foobar
? Do you expect that rust-foobar is built using the latest Rust or the
internal Rust?
Well, from my point of view, what you would like is that the symbol
=E2=80=99rust-1.65=E2=80=99 would be named =E2=80=9Crust-next=E2=80=9D. It=
is the current way for
several versions; see emacs vs emacs-next.
See https://issues.guix.gnu.org/62643
I propose to close this report once #62643 is merged.
Cheers,
simon
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In-Reply-To: <66be3bb1-5adb-4e6b-f050-6159da88124e@HIDDEN> References: <0f93d56a-f744-b7c6-2be6-2dcf7fe08741@HIDDEN> <873568lo20.fsf@HIDDEN> <66be3bb1-5adb-4e6b-f050-6159da88124e@HIDDEN> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2023 09:32:43 +0100 Message-ID: <864jqn91hw.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 62064 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi Jonas, On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 at 20:59, Jonas M=C3=B8ller via Bug reports for GNU Gui= x <bug-guix@HIDDEN> wrote: >> Well, the issue when exporting =E2=80=99rust-1.65=E2=80=99 is that it wo= uld possible >> incompatible with the Rust packages provided by Guix and compiled with >> =E2=80=99rust=E2=80=99 (1.60). > > Rust has very strong stability guarantees between 1.x releases, and > has a very extensive set of tooling/infrastructure to make sure no > breaking changes make their way into a release (see crater [1]). Any > Rust-based package big enough to be packaged by Guix will have had its > test-suite confirmed to work with the new release of cargo/rustc long > before any new release is made (and in many cases before pull-requests > are merged.) To test your claim, I would suggest to write a manifest using package transformations [1] and then rebuild all Rust packages from Guix. 1: https://guix.gnu.org/manual/devel/en/guix.html#Package-Transformation-Op= tions 2: https://guix.gnu.org/manual/devel/en/guix.html#Defining-Package-Variants > Nevertheless, rebuilding all Rust packages on every rustc release > isn't strictly necessary. (Improvements in optimizations do happen, > but they are mosty minor release-to-release.) I do not understand how this could be implemented with Guix. Could you be more specific? Well, all in all, I do not think this report is a bug but a wish list. Instead, I would suggest to discuss the actionable tasks for updating Rust [3] in the mailing list guix-devel, WDYT? 3: https://guix.gnu.org/manual/devel/en/guix.html#Defining-Package-Variants Cheers, simon
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Hi,
On Wed Mar 8, 2023 at 4:09 PM GMT, Jonas M=C3=B8ller via Bug reports for GN=
U Guix wrote:
> And then proceeds to define-public rust as rust-1.60, and I was wondering=
if there's any particular reason why a year-old version is used rather tha=
n the 1.65 version. This seems like a mistake, given that the comment claim=
s that the "latest included Rust" should be made public.
There's another important reason:
rust !=3D rust-1.60
The packages are not one and the same, despite the former being derived fro=
m the
latter. The RUST-1.X packages are not full Rust packages; they are cut dow=
n
intentionally (no tests, no non-essential tools) to reduce bootstrapping ti=
me,
which means we need to essentially revert those changes in the public RUST =
package
to get something that we can actually expose to users.
That's why the RUST variable isn't defined like this:
(define-public rust rust-1.60)
It's defined like this:
(define-public rust
(package
(inherit rust-1.60)
;; --8<-- a VERY extensive set of overrides to readd removed stuff --=
8<--
=E2=80=A6))
So to add a RUST-LATEST, we'd need to have another one of these monstrositi=
es
(seriously, it's evil <https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guix.git/tree/gnu/=
packages/rust.scm#n663>)
but because it's mostly source code patches, we couldn't just make some kin=
d of
MAKE-PUBLIC-RUST procedure, as a SUBSTITUTE* that works for 1.60 may not wo=
rk
for 1.65...
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bug-guix@HIDDEN:bug#62064; Package guix.
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In-Reply-To: <0f93d56a-f744-b7c6-2be6-2dcf7fe08741@HIDDEN> References: <0f93d56a-f744-b7c6-2be6-2dcf7fe08741@HIDDEN> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2023 15:32:23 +0100 Message-ID: <873568lo20.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 62064 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi, On mer., 08 mars 2023 at 16:09, Jonas M=C3=B8ller via Bug reports for GNU G= uix <bug-guix@HIDDEN> wrote: >> ;;; Note: Only the latest versions of Rust are supported and tested. The >> ;;; intermediate rusts are built for bootstrapping purposes and should n= ot >> ;;; be relied upon. This is to ease maintenance and reduce the time >> ;;; required to build the full Rust bootstrap chain. >> ;;; >> ;;; Here we take the latest included Rust, make it public, and re-enable= tests >> ;;; and extra components such as rustfmt. > > And then proceeds to define-public rust as rust-1.60, and I was > wondering if there's any particular reason why a year-old version is > used rather than the 1.65 version. This seems like a mistake, given > that the comment claims that the "latest included Rust" should be made > public. Well, I know few about Rust and I guess it is because using =E2=80=99rust-1= .65=E2=80=99 as default Rust is a world-rebuild. --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- $ guix refresh rust -l | cut -f1 -d':' Building the following 4560 packages would ensure 6637 dependent packages a= re rebuilt --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- > This is especially troublesome for Rust on Guix because of both how > fast its ecosystem moves onto new language/tooling features, and > because using rustup (the solution for this on other slow-moving > distros) relies on pre-built executables that don't work > out-of-the-box on Guix.=20 Well, the issue when exporting =E2=80=99rust-1.65=E2=80=99 is that it would= possible incompatible with the Rust packages provided by Guix and compiled with =E2=80=99rust=E2=80=99 (1.60). Maybe, one could imagine a package transformation =E2=80=99package-with-explicit-rust=E2=80=99 as it is done for Python and O= Caml. Cheers, simon
bug-guix@HIDDEN:bug#62064; Package guix.
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To: =?UTF-8?Q?Jonas_M=C3=B8ller?= <jonas@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 62064 Cc: 62064 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Sun, Mar 12, 2023 at 8:12=E2=80=AFAM Jonas M=C3=B8ller via Bug reports f= or GNU Guix <bug-guix@HIDDEN> wrote: > > Hi Guix! The rust.scm file says > > ;;; Note: Only the latest versions of Rust are supported and tested. The > ;;; intermediate rusts are built for bootstrapping purposes and should no= t > ;;; be relied upon. This is to ease maintenance and reduce the time > ;;; required to build the full Rust bootstrap chain. > ;;; > ;;; Here we take the latest included Rust, make it public, and re-enable = tests > ;;; and extra components such as rustfmt. > > And then proceeds to define-public rust as rust-1.60, and I was wondering= if there's any particular reason why a year-old version is used rather tha= n the 1.65 version. This seems like a mistake, given that the comment claim= s that the "latest included Rust" should be made public. > > This is especially troublesome for Rust on Guix because of both how fast = its ecosystem moves onto new language/tooling features, and because using r= ustup (the solution for this on other slow-moving distros) relies on pre-bu= ilt executables that don't work out-of-the-box on Guix. > > > =E2=80=94 Mvh Jonas M=C3=B8ller Hi Jonas, Is this question in regards to the current or future status of Rust in Guix? Historically, updating Rust has been considered a core-updates level change due to the number of dependent packages [0]. Under the new feature branch workflow there was a recent announcement [1] by the Rust team that 1.67 is in testing [2]. Can Guix's build farm keep up with Rust's six week release cycle? The compute looks to be available but I don't recall a discussion for consideration of storage or a blueprint for pruning old packages. [0] https://guix.gnu.org/manual/en/html_node/Submitting-Patches.html [1] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2023-03/msg00002.html [2] https://ci.guix.gnu.org/jobset/rust-team Greg
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