Received: (at 62320) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Mar 2023 14:21:11 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Mar 21 10:21:11 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60111 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1pecrP-0005Gl-53 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Mar 2023 10:21:11 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:44038) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1pecrM-0005GS-20 for 62320 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Mar 2023 10:21:09 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1pecrG-0004MY-GR; Tue, 21 Mar 2023 10:21:02 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=udapCOwQQI2xt+fCbhL5PPUTfDQf364PsZv/nnN259c=; b=lbMeUWtVmhn7 xfULRghh35J7d9N7pWoWKH4/BCSVGge36yEoul6yKzE9i2ctjgRwW5GJpLranGi5XrTwIOXwHE6ia Fzyjn0mPr/w7Dj6TjtsYbRQadGLINt4VB47t5z5hirvDi2uoTkqt80MFU2ELSgT89RX8s3S6wZq6a 3jWi6X4h0Y4Oive1z4NKrno9k9+Au2i2d9S248Rf+w8MkzS48L6+vseAs0N8wwwJKk9NTQMTyecOI 4/4RTrx0Q1sNF8dy1hjSINItFBQWuQ3X8STjv7ZyThXHw95v7nu02nN2cAwZOvarYrDd6X0+pHv/n dyCltjDXjTb1dLjgmtClDg==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1pecrF-0004cR-Nc; Tue, 21 Mar 2023 10:21:02 -0400 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2023 16:21:12 +0200 Message-Id: <83bkkm6v8n.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87sfdyoext.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Michael Heerdegen on Tue, 21 Mar 2023 06:23:42 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#62320: 30.0.50; Thoughts about (info "(emacs) Bugs") References: <87sfdyoext.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 62320 Cc: 62320 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> > Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2023 06:23:42 +0100 > > I have some small suggestions to make (info "(emacs) Bugs") even more > complete. > > The first I want to say is that, while we are telling a lot of > (technical) details, we are missing a bit to tell what creating a bug > report means practically, how it works in general. I mean simple things > like these that are trivial for us but still not clear to everybody: "Bugs" is a catch-all chapter with almost no contents of its own; all the real contents is in its sections. Are your comments to that chapter, or specifically to one of its sections, such as "Checklist"? It is hard to think about your comments without understanding to which part(s) of the manual are they alluding.
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The first I want to say is that, while we are telling a lot of (technical) details, we are missing a bit to tell what creating a bug report means practically, how it works in general. I mean simple things like these that are trivial for us but still not clear to everybody: Basically everything works by using Email. As the author of the bug report you'll be sent a CC copy of every message that belongs to that bug [it is important to let people know that e.g. a question of somebody is not necessarily addressed to the bug author]. You can reply normally to any of those messages. If you do so please be sure to keep the address that has been assigned to the bug (it looks like 12345 <at> debbugs.gnu.org) in the list of recipients before sending your reply because else the bug tracker will not receive your message [lot's of people do this wrong!]. [...] parts are comments from me about the text, not part of the text. Then I wonder if we could say that it is helpful when the author loads relevant Elisp files before recording an Elisp backtrace [with a short explanation of what "relevant" means, and how that can be achieved]. Hmm - I think that's already it for now. You'll probably want to find a better wording. TIA, Michael. In GNU Emacs 30.0.50 (build 27, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, cairo version 1.16.0) of 2023-03-20 built on drachen Repository revision: aa54a24570e526b5438264caacf405a2370ba9d3 Repository branch: master Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12011000 System Description: Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)
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