Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN>
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[76.168.148.233]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id fv23-20020a17090b0e9700b0026d6ad176c6sm2913249pjb.0.2023.09.13.09.11.09 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 13 Sep 2023 09:11:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <129e9b33-a9e3-ce16-2c2d-bd72450b0064@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2023 09:11:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: bug#62509: 30.0.50; Changes to naming for Windows stapshots - PATCH Content-Language: en-US To: Corwin Brust <corwin@HIDDEN> References: <CAJf-WoSXTx0WCj_=iBAJX8WnFgjtZ-ZyHT=-Qb7xfnmuCWKQZw@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmkfzksB-P5cz=WxtUJXQktWfzJ3VY-+5z2yaBnw-Q9Kww@HIDDEN> <CAJf-WoSsnAbp+FVYL4QDvWrXE7OjQjjek7OXsikykY5DCnzR1g@HIDDEN> <5c566017-59cd-99c8-b564-8ccedda795c2@HIDDEN> <CAJf-WoTDSrxE0EmUNxC2w=uXcgfswgoA7ijMb3SHHYt4Z=VBLA@HIDDEN> From: Jim Porter <jporterbugs@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <CAJf-WoTDSrxE0EmUNxC2w=uXcgfswgoA7ijMb3SHHYt4Z=VBLA@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 62509 Cc: 62509 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On 9/13/2023 6:06 AM, Corwin Brust wrote: > That's helpful. I was under the impression we published snapshots for > developers and didn't typically direct users to use them at all > (except for pre-release snaps and special circumstances such as > recently when glibc got several potentially breaking changes. Well, I think this would mainly be useful for the more-enthusiastic users who want to try out new things or are impatiently waiting for some bugfix only on the dev version. I'm not sure whether the actual Emacs maintainers would direct users to the snapshots, but third-party package authors might. > I'm still puzzled as to why we should exclude the time component. > Wouldn't that be rather more useful than including the date alone for > those looking to see what revision is that last included (but doing so > without referencing git logs)? Including the time is fine too. I'm not sure how much value there is in that (personally, I'd only ever use the date for an approximate value of "how new is this"), but it doesn't cause any harm.
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bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#62509; Package emacs.
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I do > > most releases for GNU rather manually, and might take a day or two > > doing it. Is there information to be gained from knowing the "build > > start date" (but not time?) that isn't better sourced by git log > > <REVISION>? > > I think so, yes. For those of us close to the development process, the > Git SHA is the most-useful bit of info for sure, but thinking back to a > couple of years ago before I contributed to Emacs, the date would have > been a lot more useful. That's helpful. I was under the impression we published snapshots for developers and didn't typically direct users to use them at all (except for pre-release snaps and special circumstances such as recently when glibc got several potentially breaking changes. It would let me see at a glance how new the > snapshot is. It would also make it easier to tell users what snapshot to > try, e.g. if you're a package author: "Make sure you use the Emacs > snapshot from at least YYYY-MM-DD in order to prevent such-and-such bug." > > The timestamp of the file itself isn't as useful for this purpose since, > as you say, the process is a bit manual and could be a few days after > the latest commit. > > As for what date exactly to use, I'd say, "Use the CommitDate in either > US Eastern time (the FSF's time zone), or possibly UTC." > I'm still puzzled as to why we should exclude the time component. Wouldn't that be rather more useful than including the date alone for those looking to see what revision is that last included (but doing so without referencing git logs)? As to collecting the date, my approach would be to take the date at the end of the process by extracting the date of REVISION from git log. Any concerns with this approach?
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[76.168.148.233]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id c5-20020a170902d90500b001b9ecee459csm9221717plz.34.2023.09.12.21.14.34 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 12 Sep 2023 21:14:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5c566017-59cd-99c8-b564-8ccedda795c2@HIDDEN> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2023 21:14:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: bug#62509: 30.0.50; Changes to naming for Windows stapshots - PATCH Content-Language: en-US To: Corwin Brust <corwin@HIDDEN>, Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN> References: <CAJf-WoSXTx0WCj_=iBAJX8WnFgjtZ-ZyHT=-Qb7xfnmuCWKQZw@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmkfzksB-P5cz=WxtUJXQktWfzJ3VY-+5z2yaBnw-Q9Kww@HIDDEN> <CAJf-WoSsnAbp+FVYL4QDvWrXE7OjQjjek7OXsikykY5DCnzR1g@HIDDEN> From: Jim Porter <jporterbugs@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <CAJf-WoSsnAbp+FVYL4QDvWrXE7OjQjjek7OXsikykY5DCnzR1g@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 62509 Cc: 62509 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On 9/12/2023 7:33 PM, Corwin Brust wrote: > From my standpoint, it is challenging to pick the date to use. I do > most releases for GNU rather manually, and might take a day or two > doing it. Is there information to be gained from knowing the "build > start date" (but not time?) that isn't better sourced by git log > <REVISION>? I think so, yes. For those of us close to the development process, the Git SHA is the most-useful bit of info for sure, but thinking back to a couple of years ago before I contributed to Emacs, the date would have been a lot more useful. It would let me see at a glance how new the snapshot is. It would also make it easier to tell users what snapshot to try, e.g. if you're a package author: "Make sure you use the Emacs snapshot from at least YYYY-MM-DD in order to prevent such-and-such bug." The timestamp of the file itself isn't as useful for this purpose since, as you say, the process is a bit manual and could be a few days after the latest commit. As for what date exactly to use, I'd say, "Use the CommitDate in either US Eastern time (the FSF's time zone), or possibly UTC."
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I'd prefer not; however, it seems possible you can see use from the date there which I cannot. From my standpoint, it is challenging to pick the date to use. I do most releases for GNU rather manually, and might take a day or two doing it. Is there information to be gained from knowing the "build start date" (but not time?) that isn't better sourced by git log <REVISION>? Moveover, considering viewing a given version subfolder over HTTP, sorting by the date column must surely give the same order as name after adding this, reducing the utility of sorting by name that otherwise helps quickly find binaries corresponding to a given revision. In any case, although I don't prefer it, it is not a problem to resume including a common date in the file names constituting a release given I know what date to use. > > @@ -91,4 +100,4 @@ MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. = See the > GNU General Public License for more details. > > You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License > -along with GNU Emacs. If not, see https://www.gnu.org/licenses/. > +along with GNU Emacs. If not, see https://www.gnu.org/licenses/. > \ No newline at end of file > Yes, thanks; I see to that in a next version once we've confirmed on how to name the files :blush:
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Corwin Brust <corwin@HIDDEN> writes:
> Today I put an initial set of Emacs 30 "snapshot" binaries for Windows
> on GNU alpha. In the process, I created a new folder for emacs-30[0].
> At the moment, this folder is without the customary README.
>
> I've attached a patch that suggests changes based on how I name the
> snapshots, locally, when building them. All of this is totally open
> to discussion :)
>
> Previously snapshot builds included a (rather nebulous) date, e.g.:
> emacs-30-YYYY-MM-DD-no-deps.zip.
>
> Locally, my snapshots, instead of any date, include the git revision
> short-code effective in the source tree where the build is taking
> place, e.g.:
> emacs-30-28a9438169f-no-deps.zip
>
> TIA for sharing your thoughts; I can easily rename files, including
> those already posted if necessary.
How about
emacs-30-YYYY-MM-DD-REVISION-no-deps.zip.
> Background:
>
> The file admin/nt/dist-build/README-windows-binaries is usually placed
> at the root of each new folder that will contain windows binaries, for
> example the "emacs-30" folder for snapshot (and eventually pre-release)
> builds from (as currently called) "master".
>
> The attached patch updates this file to reflect a change in how I've
> been naming snapshot binaries, locally.
>
> Snapshot binaries are in-tree source builds, rather than being made
> from a release --or prerelease-- tarball.
>
> [0] https://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/pretest/windows/emacs-30
Please skip this chunk, though:
@@ -91,4 +100,4 @@ MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the
GNU General Public License for more details.
You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
-along with GNU Emacs. If not, see https://www.gnu.org/licenses/.
+along with GNU Emacs. If not, see https://www.gnu.org/licenses/.
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Full text available.Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Mar 2023 22:30:14 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Mar 28 18:30:14 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50838 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1phHpW-0001TV-0T for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 28 Mar 2023 18:30:14 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:52520) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <mplscorwin@HIDDEN>) id 1phHpU-0001TO-7h for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 28 Mar 2023 18:30:12 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <mplscorwin@HIDDEN>) id 1phHpQ-0002Tv-Qj for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Tue, 28 Mar 2023 18:30:10 -0400 Received: from mail-oa1-f44.google.com ([209.85.160.44]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <mplscorwin@HIDDEN>) id 1phHpO-0002F5-Oy for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Tue, 28 Mar 2023 18:30:08 -0400 Received: by mail-oa1-f44.google.com with SMTP id 586e51a60fabf-177ca271cb8so14373721fac.2 for <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>; Tue, 28 Mar 2023 15:30:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; t=1680042604; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:mime-version:x-gm-message-state :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=G7lHJZmuEhn9NthMZIHwwE7bmpZBgADMbv8Nv/YNJfo=; b=Owkzq+haVF42cvwdPOiiFVHpx/KRPyDrJkcN6RU4rDoET/e5JWXj7Xy/QeOFkFrKkX kzmhxq70MROrtl3g7rdn/vT0k5LDTseeXd+VXttdsDuJLnZiydEiR58FcBuPKA8GeSvT JzQJ04vHL2Wy5SvCLSSQGlD2fSV0+0n34mZni1oe8AZjtThjKPE7Aw/S9eylSnbBq7IP POp0A/YGDrzw9PBGOJlLhJbo7mvPp/j5OKlvRKYfneXlUvS+6HzGRs0SYdtFtPaa4+zM riKbWPbjsUe0UrE1nGvi+joe4Op5U1F9OEtJDsQgA5P2YfD+37pUEsnl9oHbFEaiXx7+ lPGA== X-Gm-Message-State: AAQBX9fH5k4t4Qiqq9EQqA02P8epKI3GvgBIJw/zv9QwjFUCTwml7zvv Mr3RtoIEQJTbupWiumybePAmGlupJsEoC0p9r2F4pS/HCE4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AKy350Z1xRwP5btlGTCK7wncOhx8cWu9P+wOVTklvobO+Pi6zsapUQ2RKRpefRz0H5kYR/kIj4YdkF9PeZK5jpFY1rw= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6870:3c07:b0:177:b9c0:bcba with SMTP id gk7-20020a0568703c0700b00177b9c0bcbamr108130oab.3.1680042604496; Tue, 28 Mar 2023 15:30:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Corwin Brust <corwin@HIDDEN> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2023 17:29:54 -0500 Message-ID: <CAJf-WoSXTx0WCj_=iBAJX8WnFgjtZ-ZyHT=-Qb7xfnmuCWKQZw@HIDDEN> Subject: 30.0.50; Changes to naming for Windows stapshots - PATCH To: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="000000000000a646a705f7fd6685" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=209.85.160.44; envelope-from=mplscorwin@HIDDEN; helo=mail-oa1-f44.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -12 X-Spam_score: -1.3 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URI_HEX=0.1 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.1 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) --000000000000a646a705f7fd6685 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Today I put an initial set of Emacs 30 "snapshot" binaries for Windows on GNU alpha. In the process, I created a new folder for emacs-30[0]. At the moment, this folder is without the customary README. I've attached a patch that suggests changes based on how I name the snapshots, locally, when building them. All of this is totally open to discussion :) Previously snapshot builds included a (rather nebulous) date, e.g.: emacs-30-YYYY-MM-DD-no-deps.zip. Locally, my snapshots, instead of any date, include the git revision short-code effective in the source tree where the build is taking place, e.g.: emacs-30-28a9438169f-no-deps.zip TIA for sharing your thoughts; I can easily rename files, including those already posted if necessary. Background: The file admin/nt/dist-build/README-windows-binaries is usually placed at the root of each new folder that will contain windows binaries, for example the "emacs-30" folder for snapshot (and eventually pre-release) builds from (as currently called) "master". The attached patch updates this file to reflect a change in how I've been naming snapshot binaries, locally. Snapshot binaries are in-tree source builds, rather than being made from a release --or prerelease-- tarball. [0] https://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/pretest/windows/emacs-30 In GNU Emacs 30.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2023-03-27 built on AVALON Repository revision: 0bd2bbc0c2cb06cd254bf67f75d284f4c16f45a8 Repository branch: master Windowing system distributor 'Microsoft Corp.', version 10.0.19043 System Description: Microsoft Windows 10 Home (v10.0.2009.19043.2364) Configured using: 'configure --with-modules --without-dbus --with-native-compilation --without-compress-install --with-tree-sitter CFLAGS=-O2' Configured features: ACL GIF GMP GNUTLS HARFBUZZ JPEG JSON LCMS2 LIBXML2 MODULES NATIVE_COMP NOTIFY W32NOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SOUND SQLITE3 THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS TREE_SITTER WEBP XPM ZLIB Important settings: value of $LANG: ENU locale-coding-system: cp1252 Major mode: Lisp Interaction Minor modes in effect: tooltip-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t eldoc-mode: t show-paren-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t line-number-mode: t indent-tabs-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t Load-path shadows: None found. 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