Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN>
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Full text available.Received: (at 62767) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 May 2023 10:25:38 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue May 30 06:25:38 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60147 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1q3wXp-0007ps-Ue for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 30 May 2023 06:25:38 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:39764) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1q3wXn-0007pf-TQ for 62767 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 30 May 2023 06:25:36 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1q3wXf-0003Ki-RQ; Tue, 30 May 2023 06:25:28 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=fOjOG5iYqvZYab4L6PY7Lkwup6hzSCn21F0iw44FZFE=; b=KV8m4LhyxKj3 hEAaJA7hKd5UpMku+/XywUqPqd3/YWi4yz7ZgGfsxeIxdgLgRzhOHG4A5cqNQo7f88ZbgiDIx93HS Cg4YREPfHsha1GVRPegbpnUh4clrBnoazhbzbf4Al2koLrOmPS0pL4AIQTP5Wb3ch0Ifg9y6Xkfyu n4htPUqQWhv6jB2LLTun8YZ5GhkiE0xlPW7RxQ7Yap3c2Ih0TLGa9roFVch7sK1pG4nrYCA7nVGBs EgnEeUbEnDjQee+Vs/8GLqJQIukWUIHJfNP266KvE4Sym6/wTU0Gr0DcTdcElRpH9pGCHbhvdEphs MOESJPL06/Xiww+7V3l+QA==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1q3wXK-0000fX-Np; Tue, 30 May 2023 06:25:23 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 May 2023 13:25:46 +0300 Message-Id: <831qiyglp1.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: lin Sun <sunlin7@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <CABCREdoDetZiLFnpTGCef5jBtPFbj5EByr7yGstSSkj4P8XBvw@HIDDEN> (message from lin Sun on Tue, 30 May 2023 03:56:00 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#62767: 29.0.90; [PATCH] *lisp/emacs-lisp/package.el: set variables after info package References: <1181651021.466162.1581309285621.ref@HIDDEN> <1181651021.466162.1581309285621@HIDDEN> <CABCREdqX-nrN+r48UxsAFKZY3CZXxnRtH4HS7bxqsh=EBYmn4g@HIDDEN> <CABCREdoM9Etd_yFa=ttGC6qMpNbN3otKt-WRzSFhdvo3XmXczA@HIDDEN> <CABCREdrzYXahFe2WnG_GcJZa22D-5_rLDS4jqu1uiAX5h5vXrA@HIDDEN> <CABCREdq6NP0cGxTJKO-v9iDkwoOAzP2xo0-p5qcXL9CARN=+kw@HIDDEN> <CABCREdq229_uR180WBrCHUqK20F9VDAsAXHWoTBQR654UiehTw@HIDDEN> <CABCREdojDr56zAi62=pEoi-Oh5tAcCzTNoPFaNKRFVoJgVVVCA@HIDDEN> <CABCREdp94_CzjVg3SxZUJeTdHpErQOpFmYWyP6AJV4=MiZqTRA@HIDDEN> <87sfd2ns6d.fsf@HIDDEN> <833551ecb2.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ttxh4e9i.fsf@HIDDEN> <CABCREdomqNHQ7Q018WEQ=X2-e1ZKdRCOBvtiof4yLKEzZXhVGw@HIDDEN> <87bkjmiqtz.fsf@HIDDEN> <jwv354y8p3p.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <CABCREdpqVFNs+90sONO1NNoLvAL8f2wAWLSMZCEChirKE6Yp7Q@HIDDEN> <CABCREdoHpn+tfsbeFgtumz+jQ+f1gXqkFF=9FQP9C0nk4A_d9g@HIDDEN> <CABCREdqhbG1ZOjBvuNo7MmW02tD=Ch0yVyR4n7shT6ZkXCBwCQ@HIDDEN> <CABCREdpha5W_phrK8iLVN973-m5BjahNgMhpHDC=oA-X4Vvj9A@HIDDEN> <CABCREdqWypPTS9iTP1fXrdu8UJf2hWtONruuW=fpb8V1_cLwmQ@HIDDEN> <83edn6new6.fsf@HIDDEN> <CABCREdr2Kh=vzrXXboPxTp3JoBfWeBL7wQgeCSeJyN5yRpgFWQ@HIDDEN> <83bki7l9ge.fsf@HIDDEN> <CABCREdoDetZiLFnpTGCef5jBtPFbj5EByr7yGstSSkj4P8XBvw@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 62767 Cc: 62767 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, philipk@HIDDEN, monnier@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: lin Sun <sunlin7@HIDDEN> > Date: Tue, 30 May 2023 03:56:00 +0000 > Cc: monnier@HIDDEN, philipk@HIDDEN, 62767 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > The proposed mechanism will request info.el to reserve a variable that > allows customer change outside of info.el, then info.el reads the > variable and proceeds the paths before the info.el major function. So > adding a new variable package-info-directory-list or using the current > Info-directory-list are nearly equal, except that the new name is for > package.el special. Yes, that's the idea. This way, we keep info.el and package.el very loosely coupled, as they should be, and each one of them can apply its own logic to its variable.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#62767; Package emacs.
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Instead, I think we should have a package.el-specific > directory list of Info files, say, package-info-directory-list, and we > should arrange for info.el to look in those directories _before_ it > looks in the directories mentioned by Info-directory-list. Then > there'll be no need to play with info-initialize and the variable we > use to indicate info-initialize was already called, and (more > importantly), no code outside of info.el will mess with > Info-directory-list. And package.el will add directories to this new > variable. > > OK? Totally understand your concern. The proposed mechanism will request info.el to reserve a variable that allows customer change outside of info.el, then info.el reads the variable and proceeds the paths before the info.el major function. So adding a new variable package-info-directory-list or using the current Info-directory-list are nearly equal, except that the new name is for package.el special. > > > > + (when-let ((info-dirs (butlast Info-directory-list))) > > > > + (pp `(defvar Info-directory-list '()) (current-buffer)) > > > > + (pp `(setq Info-directory-list > > > > + (delete-dups > > > > + (append ',info-dirs Info-directory-list))) > > > > + (current-buffer))) > > > > > > Using 'append' here could cause duplicate directories in > > > Info-directory-list. > > The `delete-dups' will avoid that. > > Yes, but why not use add-to-list in the first place? `add-to-list' will be a good choice here. The code is following its previous code lines, almost same format, paste as follow, > (pp `(defvar package-activated-list) (current-buffer)) > (pp `(setq package-activated-list > (delete-dups > (append ',(mapcar #'package-desc-name package--quickstar= t-pkgs)
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#62767; Package emacs.
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I think we need a separate > > variable. > In the original function `info-initialize', it will rely on the value > `Info-directory-list' to indicate function initialization and parse > the "INFOPATH" or get system info dirs as the initialized value. > > The bug comes for: package.el will add several paths into > `Info-directory-list', that maybe lead function `info-initialize' > return without parsing the "INFOPATH" or getting the system info dires > as initial value. > > So package.el required the entire `info.el` and called function > `info-initialize' to initialize the value first (by parsing the > "INFOPATH" or get system info dir), then the package.el modify the > `Info-directory-list'. > > The patch will allow users to set the `Info-directory-list' before > calling function `info-initialize'; when info.el use the > `Info-directory-list' variable to read plain *.info file, will call > function `info-initialize' to add system info dirs. > > Two functions `Info-insert-dir' and `Info-find-file', will use > (get/read) the value of `Info-directory-list' to read the plain *.info > files. > In the patch file, both functions will call the function > `info-initialize' at their entry to ensure the `Info-directory-list' > is initialized with the "INFOPATH" env string. > Users will just insert/remove dirs from/to `Info-directory-list', but > won't use the list to read/get plain *.info files. > So users can define the `Info-directory-list' and modify its value on > their elisp files. I understand that part. But I don't think it's TRT to have users or Lisp programs outside of info.el manipulate Info-directory-list and mutate it. Instead, I think we should have a package.el-specific directory list of Info files, say, package-info-directory-list, and we should arrange for info.el to look in those directories _before_ it looks in the directories mentioned by Info-directory-list. Then there'll be no need to play with info-initialize and the variable we use to indicate info-initialize was already called, and (more importantly), no code outside of info.el will mess with Info-directory-list. And package.el will add directories to this new variable. OK? > > > + (when-let ((info-dirs (butlast Info-directory-list))) > > > + (pp `(defvar Info-directory-list '()) (current-buffer)) > > > + (pp `(setq Info-directory-list > > > + (delete-dups > > > + (append ',info-dirs Info-directory-list))) > > > + (current-buffer))) > > > > Using 'append' here could cause duplicate directories in > > Info-directory-list. > The `delete-dups' will avoid that. Yes, but why not use add-to-list in the first place?
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I think we need a separate > variable. In the original function `info-initialize', it will rely on the value `Info-directory-list' to indicate function initialization and parse the "INFOPATH" or get system info dirs as the initialized value. The bug comes for: package.el will add several paths into `Info-directory-list', that maybe lead function `info-initialize' return without parsing the "INFOPATH" or getting the system info dires as initial value. So package.el required the entire `info.el` and called function `info-initialize' to initialize the value first (by parsing the "INFOPATH" or get system info dir), then the package.el modify the `Info-directory-list'. The patch will allow users to set the `Info-directory-list' before calling function `info-initialize'; when info.el use the `Info-directory-list' variable to read plain *.info file, will call function `info-initialize' to add system info dirs. Two functions `Info-insert-dir' and `Info-find-file', will use (get/read) the value of `Info-directory-list' to read the plain *.info files. In the patch file, both functions will call the function `info-initialize' at their entry to ensure the `Info-directory-list' is initialized with the "INFOPATH" env string. Users will just insert/remove dirs from/to `Info-directory-list', but won't use the list to read/get plain *.info files. So users can define the `Info-directory-list' and modify its value on their elisp files. > > + (when-let ((info-dirs (butlast Info-directory-list))) > > + (pp `(defvar Info-directory-list '()) (current-buffer)) > > + (pp `(setq Info-directory-list > > + (delete-dups > > + (append ',info-dirs Info-directory-list))) > > + (current-buffer))) > > Using 'append' here could cause duplicate directories in > Info-directory-list. The `delete-dups' will avoid that. > > +(defvar Info--initialized nil > > + "Non-nil if `info-initialize' has been run.") > There's no need to capitalize the first letter of the name of an > internal variable. We capitalize 'I' in "Info" so that it would be > easier to type info.el commands with completion (other commands that > begin with 'i' use lower-case 'i'). This is not a factor for internal > variables. Very helpful to understand the naming rules. And rename it to `info--initialized', new patch attached, please review again. 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bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#62767; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 62767) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 May 2023 11:32:31 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed May 24 07:32:31 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42114 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1q1mjE-0001Xf-01 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 May 2023 07:32:31 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:34672) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1q1mj8-0001XQ-DU for 62767 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 May 2023 07:32:26 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1q1mj1-00029w-Vf; Wed, 24 May 2023 07:32:15 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=S5UHdq9lZz2QcCnoeuk06FVT8z1jqT2JhTDNeAcW7ls=; b=ogUXhlzZo6nt RBNVtq0tDkEvOV3tTbyptofCUP4/LhVsYvMr6Nm9OqmFu0koJ0oPC4I4so/ONv+eHF4Dlfkdqby5Q SLsrJJGUlYsiIx01MjtGP+DZrh1TtGmDT1ZYvHe1g/AEfm9hAvH9NnNk24pLVgEjyFYkKRc/Ox1rg vAQzu2XkmajoIThWBGbdgY0/uG1gl6ozXG36sj1grr79oAfxaHaR1XrcAoFMzk+jlTlsIhTv/ec/3 iwxh82oWClOL0lmE33mW9l4A0gKXbixOh2lxhXmpiJxfnorywVHg+U+LiZaexpbgqOOBC00TKr8pK h5wVQRWRBE0uQ7rFW8ykCQ==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1q1mj1-0003HB-8T; Wed, 24 May 2023 07:32:15 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 May 2023 14:32:41 +0300 Message-Id: <83edn6new6.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: lin Sun <sunlin7@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <CABCREdqWypPTS9iTP1fXrdu8UJf2hWtONruuW=fpb8V1_cLwmQ@HIDDEN> (message from lin Sun on Wed, 24 May 2023 02:53:08 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#62767: 29.0.90; [PATCH] *lisp/emacs-lisp/package.el: set variables after info package References: <1181651021.466162.1581309285621.ref@HIDDEN> <1181651021.466162.1581309285621@HIDDEN> <CABCREdqX-nrN+r48UxsAFKZY3CZXxnRtH4HS7bxqsh=EBYmn4g@HIDDEN> <CABCREdoM9Etd_yFa=ttGC6qMpNbN3otKt-WRzSFhdvo3XmXczA@HIDDEN> <CABCREdrzYXahFe2WnG_GcJZa22D-5_rLDS4jqu1uiAX5h5vXrA@HIDDEN> <CABCREdq6NP0cGxTJKO-v9iDkwoOAzP2xo0-p5qcXL9CARN=+kw@HIDDEN> <CABCREdq229_uR180WBrCHUqK20F9VDAsAXHWoTBQR654UiehTw@HIDDEN> <CABCREdojDr56zAi62=pEoi-Oh5tAcCzTNoPFaNKRFVoJgVVVCA@HIDDEN> <CABCREdp94_CzjVg3SxZUJeTdHpErQOpFmYWyP6AJV4=MiZqTRA@HIDDEN> <87sfd2ns6d.fsf@HIDDEN> <833551ecb2.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ttxh4e9i.fsf@HIDDEN> <CABCREdomqNHQ7Q018WEQ=X2-e1ZKdRCOBvtiof4yLKEzZXhVGw@HIDDEN> <87bkjmiqtz.fsf@HIDDEN> <jwv354y8p3p.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <CABCREdpqVFNs+90sONO1NNoLvAL8f2wAWLSMZCEChirKE6Yp7Q@HIDDEN> <CABCREdoHpn+tfsbeFgtumz+jQ+f1gXqkFF=9FQP9C0nk4A_d9g@HIDDEN> <CABCREdqhbG1ZOjBvuNo7MmW02tD=Ch0yVyR4n7shT6ZkXCBwCQ@HIDDEN> <CABCREdpha5W_phrK8iLVN973-m5BjahNgMhpHDC=oA-X4Vvj9A@HIDDEN> <CABCREdqWypPTS9iTP1fXrdu8UJf2hWtONruuW=fpb8V1_cLwmQ@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 62767 Cc: 62767 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, philipk@HIDDEN, monnier@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: lin Sun <sunlin7@HIDDEN> > Date: Wed, 24 May 2023 02:53:08 +0000 > > > I am experimenting with a different approach to avoid the loading of > > the entire info.el file using package.el. > > Instead, I am adding the directories to the `Info-directory-list', > > which will be utilized by other functions responsible for loading the > > specific info files. > > Please help review the patch I attached. Thanks. Could you please describe how this makes sure Info-directory-list will be set to a correct value, in the various scenarios that are relevant? In particular, Info-directory-list is not the right variable to tweak here, as it is computed by info.el. I think we need a separate variable. > - (let ((info-dirs (butlast Info-directory-list))) > - (when info-dirs > - (pp `(progn (require 'info) > - (info-initialize) > - (setq Info-directory-list > - (append ',info-dirs Info-directory-list))) > - (current-buffer)))) > + (when-let ((info-dirs (butlast Info-directory-list))) > + (pp `(defvar Info-directory-list '()) (current-buffer)) > + (pp `(setq Info-directory-list > + (delete-dups > + (append ',info-dirs Info-directory-list))) > + (current-buffer))) Using 'append' here could cause duplicate directories in Info-directory-list. > +(defvar Info--initialized nil > + "Non-nil if `info-initialize' has been run.") There's no need to capitalize the first letter of the name of an internal variable. We capitalize 'I' in "Info" so that it would be easier to type info.el commands with completion (other commands that begin with 'i' use lower-case 'i'). This is not a factor for internal variables.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#62767; Package emacs.
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Instead, I am adding the directories to the `Info-directory-list', which will be utilized by other functions responsible for loading the specific info files. Please help review the patch I attached. Thanks. 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 1210cce903e2a816cb35ab626c1905e0; Thu, 20 Apr 2023 16:17:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ed1-f42.google.com with SMTP id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-50674656309so981332a12.0 for <62767 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 20 Apr 2023 09:17:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: AAQBX9eu+q2gknhVqIHCG6oiJi5niGWxhXWYLSTpoAZUDghCiy8x1WNx rCKBSJiwijqY2DkjWzT2nF0RTxg/4ACr4mTD9/w= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AKy350ZzjRsBQWCVdBA+0s0dr2l/ODwS+n7tbqnoZLRWiwufy+NCHMmK2uDnOYpk2r2ZAi7jafS6eWVjnGVC5Edgfvs= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6402:55a:b0:507:5e52:cdb0 with SMTP id i26-20020a056402055a00b005075e52cdb0mr2204430edx.9.1682007427356; Thu, 20 Apr 2023 09:17:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1181651021.466162.1581309285621.ref@HIDDEN> <1181651021.466162.1581309285621@HIDDEN> <CABCREdqX-nrN+r48UxsAFKZY3CZXxnRtH4HS7bxqsh=EBYmn4g@HIDDEN> <CABCREdoM9Etd_yFa=ttGC6qMpNbN3otKt-WRzSFhdvo3XmXczA@HIDDEN> <CABCREdrzYXahFe2WnG_GcJZa22D-5_rLDS4jqu1uiAX5h5vXrA@HIDDEN> <CABCREdq6NP0cGxTJKO-v9iDkwoOAzP2xo0-p5qcXL9CARN=+kw@HIDDEN> <CABCREdq229_uR180WBrCHUqK20F9VDAsAXHWoTBQR654UiehTw@HIDDEN> <CABCREdojDr56zAi62=pEoi-Oh5tAcCzTNoPFaNKRFVoJgVVVCA@HIDDEN> <CABCREdp94_CzjVg3SxZUJeTdHpErQOpFmYWyP6AJV4=MiZqTRA@HIDDEN> <87sfd2ns6d.fsf@HIDDEN> <833551ecb2.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ttxh4e9i.fsf@HIDDEN> <CABCREdomqNHQ7Q018WEQ=X2-e1ZKdRCOBvtiof4yLKEzZXhVGw@HIDDEN> <87bkjmiqtz.fsf@HIDDEN> <jwv354y8p3p.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <CABCREdpqVFNs+90sONO1NNoLvAL8f2wAWLSMZCEChirKE6Yp7Q@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <CABCREdpqVFNs+90sONO1NNoLvAL8f2wAWLSMZCEChirKE6Yp7Q@HIDDEN> From: lin Sun <sunlin7@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2023 16:16:55 +0000 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: <CABCREdoHpn+tfsbeFgtumz+jQ+f1gXqkFF=9FQP9C0nk4A_d9g@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <CABCREdoHpn+tfsbeFgtumz+jQ+f1gXqkFF=9FQP9C0nk4A_d9g@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#62767: 29.0.90; [PATCH] *lisp/emacs-lisp/package.el: set variables after info package To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.21365 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 1372 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 62767 Cc: 62767 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On Thu, 20 Apr 2023 12:12:29 +0300 Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> wrote: > Thanks, but we cannot possibly change Info-default-directory-list > behind the user's back. Info-default-directory-list is a user option, > so Emacs itself cannot modify its value. > > Moreover, Info-default-directory-list is considered only once, when > info.el is loaded and initialized for the first time. Whereas > package.el can be used for installing a package in the middle of a > running Emacs session, when info.el was already loaded, and so > modifying Info-default-directory-list will not have any effect until > the next restart of Emacs. Do we require users to restart Emacs after > installing a package via package.el? > > Going back to the original problem, AFAIU you wanted to avoid loading > info.el at startup, because that makes startup slower, is that right? > Then how about adding a new variable, Info-packages-directory-list, > say, to which package.el will add directories of the installed > packages, and info.el will use when it first loads? Would that solve > the problem? Totally, Info-default-directory-list is a customer variable, and it is considered only once, not the perfect one. And yes, the original motivation is to avoid loading info.el at startup. With your comment, I'm going to search better way to avoid loading info.el, thanks ! Best Regards Lin
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#62767; Package emacs.
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I verified it on my local. Thanks, but we cannot possibly change Info-default-directory-list behind the user's back. Info-default-directory-list is a user option, so Emacs itself cannot modify its value. Moreover, Info-default-directory-list is considered only once, when info.el is loaded and initialized for the first time. Whereas package.el can be used for installing a package in the middle of a running Emacs session, when info.el was already loaded, and so modifying Info-default-directory-list will not have any effect until the next restart of Emacs. Do we require users to restart Emacs after installing a package via package.el? Going back to the original problem, AFAIU you wanted to avoid loading info.el at startup, because that makes startup slower, is that right? Then how about adding a new variable, Info-packages-directory-list, say, to which package.el will add directories of the installed packages, and info.el will use when it first loads? Would that solve the problem?
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#62767; Package emacs.
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Full text available.Received: (at 62767) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Apr 2023 17:25:47 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Apr 17 13:25:47 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55947 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1poSbq-0004qQ-OI for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 17 Apr 2023 13:25:47 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:33166) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1poSbo-0004qB-CB for 62767 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 17 Apr 2023 13:25:45 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1poSbi-0000ca-Jb; Mon, 17 Apr 2023 13:25:38 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=hIvzYmy4JIOoz+bTyV8pe8AcSs3WKV1CmLAkizj9bIk=; b=Rm+VClPvrxrU 5f0M5TKMTkTAJNWaKBlT+8WXIMlJWE0ibXcCngdUkKQ4coxC+nCz0mrPcTosrQIsIVNCB934sh1wX sey7UhxRY9aNdZdlK7i8giytfzGHAlIXoggPuBwIwPdsKFGm3x1fzjs32zsDCaVKI6yAY2VW76oh0 baD1M/gvFHx3hkhsR9IAx0k24Wd6jEyIZOQjyBSa4BT5MZa/n0P7RR2UmMl2b5GSjTHsIwYIcLnwC vDNz24tbCUlEG1107Ivjtqt0CJ/+KIqPYSCmEUTDhlmIgW2q7V84wj66671sUBn3H/qYRq9p006UR yylP8907ME3JK9km1KmZ9w==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1poSbi-0004ls-3r; Mon, 17 Apr 2023 13:25:38 -0400 Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2023 20:25:43 +0300 Message-Id: <83cz42a0a0.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: lin Sun <sunlin7@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <CABCREdqYGqTRocmNagp7-uzjHQECD1YG5xNdn9mkHNtZLOO_3A@HIDDEN> (message from lin Sun on Mon, 17 Apr 2023 15:27:09 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#62767: 29.0.90; [PATCH] *lisp/emacs-lisp/package.el: set variables after info package References: <1181651021.466162.1581309285621.ref@HIDDEN> <1181651021.466162.1581309285621@HIDDEN> <CABCREdqX-nrN+r48UxsAFKZY3CZXxnRtH4HS7bxqsh=EBYmn4g@HIDDEN> <CABCREdoM9Etd_yFa=ttGC6qMpNbN3otKt-WRzSFhdvo3XmXczA@HIDDEN> <CABCREdrzYXahFe2WnG_GcJZa22D-5_rLDS4jqu1uiAX5h5vXrA@HIDDEN> <CABCREdq6NP0cGxTJKO-v9iDkwoOAzP2xo0-p5qcXL9CARN=+kw@HIDDEN> <CABCREdq229_uR180WBrCHUqK20F9VDAsAXHWoTBQR654UiehTw@HIDDEN> <CABCREdojDr56zAi62=pEoi-Oh5tAcCzTNoPFaNKRFVoJgVVVCA@HIDDEN> <CABCREdp94_CzjVg3SxZUJeTdHpErQOpFmYWyP6AJV4=MiZqTRA@HIDDEN> <87sfd2ns6d.fsf@HIDDEN> <833551ecb2.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ttxh4e9i.fsf@HIDDEN> <CABCREdomqNHQ7Q018WEQ=X2-e1ZKdRCOBvtiof4yLKEzZXhVGw@HIDDEN> <87bkjmiqtz.fsf@HIDDEN> <CABCREdqYGqTRocmNagp7-uzjHQECD1YG5xNdn9mkHNtZLOO_3A@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 62767 Cc: 62767 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, philipk@HIDDEN, monnier@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: lin Sun <sunlin7@HIDDEN> > Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2023 15:27:09 +0000 > Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, 62767 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, > Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> > > --- a/lisp/emacs-lisp/package.el > +++ b/lisp/emacs-lisp/package.el > @@ -892,10 +892,9 @@ package-activate-1 > (add-to-list 'load-path (directory-file-name pkg-dir))) > ;; Add info node. > (when (file-exists-p (expand-file-name "dir" pkg-dir)) > - ;; FIXME: not the friendliest, but simple. > - (require 'info) > - (info-initialize) > - (add-to-list 'Info-directory-list pkg-dir)) > + (with-eval-after-load 'info > + (info-initialize) > + (add-to-list 'Info-directory-list pkg-dir))) > (push name package-activated-list) > ;; Don't return nil. > t))) > @@ -4427,7 +4426,7 @@ package-quickstart-refresh > "(Re)Generate the `package-quickstart-file'." > (interactive) > (package-initialize 'no-activate) > - (require 'info) > + (require 'info) ; ensure Info-directory-list available for package-activate > (let ((package--quickstart-pkgs ()) > ;; Pretend we haven't activated anything yet! > (package-activated-list ()) > @@ -4472,10 +4471,10 @@ package-quickstart-refresh > (current-buffer)) > (let ((info-dirs (butlast Info-directory-list))) > (when info-dirs > - (pp `(progn (require 'info) > - (info-initialize) > - (setq Info-directory-list > - (append ',info-dirs Info-directory-list))) > + (pp `(with-eval-after-load 'info > + (info-initialize) > + (setq Info-directory-list > + (append ',info-dirs Info-directory-list))) > (current-buffer)))) > ;; Use `\s' instead of a space character, so this code chunk is not > ;; mistaken for an actual file-local section of package.el. > -- > 2.20.5 I don't know yet whether I'm okay with this change, but if this does go in, this tricky/unusual code must have comments explaining why on Earth we do it this way, and only with info.el.
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> OK, then we still have to find out if these changes are safe. As
> mentioned before, I hesitate in using `with-eval-after-load', probably
> because of the complicated history of `eval-after-load'. I suppose that
> Stefan might know more (as it is due to him that I am careful here), so
> I have added him to the thread.
The problem with eval-after-load is not the history but the fact that
it has various corner-case caveats.
(with-eval-after-load "compile" ...) for example makes it unclear
exactly when it should be executed, e.g.:
(load "compile") => yes clearly.
(load "compile.el") => probably, yes.
(load "srecode/compile.el") => probably not.
(load "/foo/bar/lisp/compile.el") => hmm... yeah, I think so.
(load "/foo/bar/lisp/srecode/compile.el") => hmm... nah, maybe not.
The next game is to try and guess what the code does, to see when it
matches expectations.
The use (with-eval-after-load 'info ...) is much better in this respect
because it's not linked to the file name but to the feature name, which
is precise.
But there's still the issue of exactly when this is executed. Should it
be executed just the next time the file is loaded (usually what's
wanted), or every other time after that as well (what actually happens)?
Also the implementation for the good case where we provide a feature
name rather than a file name is a bit roundabout/fiddly. This is an
internal problem, so any bug there can be fixed, thus it's probably not
a good reason not to use it, but it still makes me prefer to avoid it :-)
I wish there was an easier way to add to `Info-directory-list`.
That variable is set in a fairly delicate manner, so I think Eli would
be better placed to come up with a better long term solution.
Maybe we should just add a (preloaded) `Info-extra-directory-list`?
In the mean time, Lin Sun's patch is probably "as good as it gets" if
you want to load `info.el` lazily (which I obviously didn't bother to do
when I wrote that code :-)
Stefan
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From: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN>
To: lin Sun <sunlin7@HIDDEN>
Subject: Re: bug#62767: 29.0.90; [PATCH] *lisp/emacs-lisp/package.el: set
variables after info package
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lin Sun <sunlin7@HIDDEN> writes:
> Hi Philip,
>
>> How did you come to the conclusion about the second one?
> The 2nd one is necessary because the following lines will use the full
> `Info-directory-list` to print its values into the
> package-quickstart.el, whose value was modified by the function
> `package-activate'.
> If I comment out or use the `eval-after-load` on the 2nd one, the
> `Info-directory-list` will be empty, and missed in the
> package-quickstart.el file.
OK, I get it now. I was confused because it seemed as though
`Info-directory-list' could just be bound and declared using a defvar
before the function, but if we do not load info then the
with-eval-after-load blocks in `package-activate-1' that are invoked for
the side effect of manipulating `Info-directory-list' do not get
evaluated, which is why we see that the value is empty.
But as the function `package-quickstart-refresh' is not invoked on
startup, but as `package-quickstart' says
This requires the use of `package-quickstart-refresh' every time the
activations need to be changed, such as when `package-load-list' is
modified.
This should be fine.
> Hi Ruijie,
>
>> "insure" -> "ensure"?
> You're right.
> I had fixed my typo in the patch file (only typo in comment), and
> attached the new one, please help review again. Thanks
Again, assuming that there is no issue with `with-eval-after-load', the
code should be fine. The commit message looks a bit distorted though?
Did you generate it using C-c C-w? I get this template when I apply
your commit:
* lisp/emacs-lisp/package.el (package-activate-1):
(package-quickstart-refresh):
Also, it would make sense to motivate the changes in more detail. What
do the changes improve?
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#62767; Package emacs.
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The 2nd one is necessary because the following lines will use the full `Info-directory-list` to print its values into the package-quickstart.el, whose value was modified by the function `package-activate'. If I comment out or use the `eval-after-load` on the 2nd one, the `Info-directory-list` will be empty, and missed in the package-quickstart.el file. Hi Ruijie, > "insure" -> "ensure"? You're right. I had fixed my typo in the patch file (only typo in comment), and attached the new one, please help review again. 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bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#62767; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 62767) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Apr 2023 13:24:35 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Apr 17 09:24:35 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54009 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1poOqR-0001wc-54 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 17 Apr 2023 09:24:35 -0400 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:40339) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <philipk@HIDDEN>) id 1poOqP-0001wK-6C for 62767 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 17 Apr 2023 09:24:33 -0400 Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 481CF2401A0 for <62767 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 17 Apr 2023 15:24:27 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1681737867; bh=x6d7xOeWo+hjqQFBqMTKrScxopMBSUUvPR3YGutYBOg=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Autocrypt:Date:From; b=VnISSvptvd8ssGkd6kX1MKFQdMqHd3QWdBIgB2SO4mwI1rPXEaaLN3Pk2/g1l1mJO owC3Ybc06KVHk59RZAR+TvsUFt4o4FeQn/GnJ7RmJt9ZD9LFUjasxTTM0sMMXWnwPK 36VEaE1DRtaga9dOnGPRPKeBX3lDKl6U3vePU6DzvfuA7xELc6PJrtNHBY2yOhCin+ QCGiDhpns1wk8KlEd/RPrbN7FAq/1UjbMkfRZc1akOuBDKc3Dp0CpZtSTcymf2hdwt tj9yssJb77Rg6n3RIBhwnX1QD+Liu6uZEN7d10GBcsLJLOuEkvM6VrQtXJSPuYluOW 04eg2Q+I2n4Qg== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4Q0SSp4RPMz6txM; Mon, 17 Apr 2023 15:24:25 +0200 (CEST) From: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN> To: lin Sun <sunlin7@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#62767: 29.0.90; [PATCH] *lisp/emacs-lisp/package.el: set variables after info package In-Reply-To: <CABCREdomqNHQ7Q018WEQ=X2-e1ZKdRCOBvtiof4yLKEzZXhVGw@HIDDEN> (lin Sun's message of "Mon, 17 Apr 2023 06:13:16 +0000") References: <1181651021.466162.1581309285621.ref@HIDDEN> <1181651021.466162.1581309285621@HIDDEN> <CABCREdqX-nrN+r48UxsAFKZY3CZXxnRtH4HS7bxqsh=EBYmn4g@HIDDEN> <CABCREdoM9Etd_yFa=ttGC6qMpNbN3otKt-WRzSFhdvo3XmXczA@HIDDEN> <CABCREdrzYXahFe2WnG_GcJZa22D-5_rLDS4jqu1uiAX5h5vXrA@HIDDEN> <CABCREdq6NP0cGxTJKO-v9iDkwoOAzP2xo0-p5qcXL9CARN=+kw@HIDDEN> <CABCREdq229_uR180WBrCHUqK20F9VDAsAXHWoTBQR654UiehTw@HIDDEN> <CABCREdojDr56zAi62=pEoi-Oh5tAcCzTNoPFaNKRFVoJgVVVCA@HIDDEN> <CABCREdp94_CzjVg3SxZUJeTdHpErQOpFmYWyP6AJV4=MiZqTRA@HIDDEN> <87sfd2ns6d.fsf@HIDDEN> <833551ecb2.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ttxh4e9i.fsf@HIDDEN> <CABCREdomqNHQ7Q018WEQ=X2-e1ZKdRCOBvtiof4yLKEzZXhVGw@HIDDEN> Autocrypt: addr=philipk@HIDDEN; keydata= mDMEZBBQQhYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdAHJuofBrfqFh12uQu0Yi7mrl525F28eTmwUDflFNmdui0QlBo aWxpcCBLYWx1ZGVyY2ljIChnZW5lcmF0ZWQgYnkgYXV0b2NyeXB0LmVsKSA8cGhpbGlwa0Bwb3N0 ZW8ubmV0PoiWBBMWCAA+FiEEDg7HY17ghYlni8XN8xYDWXahwukFAmQQUEICGwMFCQHhM4AFCwkI BwIGFQoJCAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQ8xYDWXahwulikAEA77hloUiSrXgFkUVJhlKBpLCHUjA0 mWZ9j9w5d08+jVwBAK6c4iGP7j+/PhbkxaEKa4V3MzIl7zJkcNNjHCXmvFcEuDgEZBBQQhIKKwYB BAGXVQEFAQEHQI5NLiLRjZy3OfSt1dhCmFyn+fN/QKELUYQetiaoe+MMAwEIB4h+BBgWCAAmFiEE Dg7HY17ghYlni8XN8xYDWXahwukFAmQQUEICGwwFCQHhM4AACgkQ8xYDWXahwukm+wEA8cml4JpK NeAu65rg+auKrPOP6TP/4YWRCTIvuYDm0joBALw98AMz7/qMHvSCeU/hw9PL6u6R2EScxtpKnWof z4oM Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2023 13:24:56 +0000 Message-ID: <87bkjmiqtz.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 62767 Cc: 62767 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) lin Sun <sunlin7@HIDDEN> writes: > Hi Philip, > > I had researched these three calls with the "require 'info", and > updated the patch for better performance. > The 1 th and 3rd can be rewritten with the new form, OK, then we still have to find out if these changes are safe. As mentioned before, I hesitate in using `with-eval-after-load', probably because of the complicated history of `eval-after-load'. I suppose that Stefan might know more (as it is due to him that I am careful here), so I have added him to the thread. > but the 2nd one > is necessary, and should not be changed. How did you come to the conclusion about the second one? > Please help review the new attached patch file. Thanks. > > Hi Eli, >> And this is the only place in Emacs where we have (require 'FOO) and >> FOO is not necessary for Emacs to start up? > My configuration will load the package.el at startup, so I tracked the > initial packages, and found the "require `info" will take ~1 seconds > on my old PC. > I didn't pay attention to other packages, if I found a heavy one, I'll > post it on the mail list. > > From 91a4bdbccc6f3210f43f46891077c57afd128830 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 > From: Lin Sun <sunlin7@HIDDEN> > Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2023 00:00:13 +0000 > Subject: [PATCH] *lisp/emacs-lisp/package.el: better way to load the info > package > > --- > lisp/emacs-lisp/package.el | 17 ++++++++--------- > 1 file changed, 8 insertions(+), 9 deletions(-) > > diff --git a/lisp/emacs-lisp/package.el b/lisp/emacs-lisp/package.el > index f92afe56b7..98153a49c7 100644 > --- a/lisp/emacs-lisp/package.el > +++ b/lisp/emacs-lisp/package.el > @@ -892,10 +892,9 @@ package-activate-1 > (add-to-list 'load-path (directory-file-name pkg-dir))) > ;; Add info node. > (when (file-exists-p (expand-file-name "dir" pkg-dir)) > - ;; FIXME: not the friendliest, but simple. > - (require 'info) > - (info-initialize) > - (add-to-list 'Info-directory-list pkg-dir)) > + (with-eval-after-load 'info > + (info-initialize) > + (add-to-list 'Info-directory-list pkg-dir))) > (push name package-activated-list) > ;; Don't return nil. > t))) > @@ -4427,7 +4426,7 @@ package-quickstart-refresh > "(Re)Generate the `package-quickstart-file'." > (interactive) > (package-initialize 'no-activate) > - (require 'info) > + (require 'info) ; insure Info-directory-list avaliable for package-activate > (let ((package--quickstart-pkgs ()) > ;; Pretend we haven't activated anything yet! > (package-activated-list ()) > @@ -4472,10 +4471,10 @@ package-quickstart-refresh > (current-buffer)) > (let ((info-dirs (butlast Info-directory-list))) > (when info-dirs > - (pp `(progn (require 'info) > - (info-initialize) > - (setq Info-directory-list > - (append ',info-dirs Info-directory-list))) > + (pp `(with-eval-after-load 'info > + (info-initialize) > + (setq Info-directory-list > + (append ',info-dirs Info-directory-list))) > (current-buffer)))) > ;; Use `\s' instead of a space character, so this code chunk is not > ;; mistaken for an actual file-local section of package.el.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#62767; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Apr 2023 07:00:14 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Apr 17 03:00:14 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52987 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1poIqU-0004Fb-A2 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 17 Apr 2023 03:00:14 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:59646) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <ruijie@HIDDEN>) id 1poIqI-0004Dg-Jf for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 17 Apr 2023 03:00:12 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <ruijie@HIDDEN>) id 1poIqH-0001pf-Lo for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Mon, 17 Apr 2023 03:00:01 -0400 Received: from netyu.xyz ([152.44.41.246] helo=mail.netyu.xyz) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <ruijie@HIDDEN>) id 1poIqG-0000tB-5S; Mon, 17 Apr 2023 03:00:01 -0400 Received: from fw.net.yu.netyu.xyz (<unknown> [222.248.4.98]) by netyu.xyz (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 74fa5049 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Mon, 17 Apr 2023 06:59:58 +0000 (UTC) References: <1181651021.466162.1581309285621.ref@HIDDEN> <1181651021.466162.1581309285621@HIDDEN> <CABCREdqX-nrN+r48UxsAFKZY3CZXxnRtH4HS7bxqsh=EBYmn4g@HIDDEN> <CABCREdoM9Etd_yFa=ttGC6qMpNbN3otKt-WRzSFhdvo3XmXczA@HIDDEN> <CABCREdrzYXahFe2WnG_GcJZa22D-5_rLDS4jqu1uiAX5h5vXrA@HIDDEN> <CABCREdq6NP0cGxTJKO-v9iDkwoOAzP2xo0-p5qcXL9CARN=+kw@HIDDEN> <CABCREdq229_uR180WBrCHUqK20F9VDAsAXHWoTBQR654UiehTw@HIDDEN> <CABCREdojDr56zAi62=pEoi-Oh5tAcCzTNoPFaNKRFVoJgVVVCA@HIDDEN> <CABCREdp94_CzjVg3SxZUJeTdHpErQOpFmYWyP6AJV4=MiZqTRA@HIDDEN> <87sfd2ns6d.fsf@HIDDEN> <833551ecb2.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ttxh4e9i.fsf@HIDDEN> <CABCREdomqNHQ7Q018WEQ=X2-e1ZKdRCOBvtiof4yLKEzZXhVGw@HIDDEN> <sdvy1mruhag.fsf@HIDDEN> User-agent: mu4e 1.9.22; emacs 30.0.50 From: Ruijie Yu <ruijie@HIDDEN> To: Ruijie Yu <ruijie@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#62767: 29.0.90; [PATCH] *lisp/emacs-lisp/package.el: set variables after info package Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2023 14:59:00 +0800 In-reply-to: <sdvy1mruhag.fsf@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <sdvttxfuh7n.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=152.44.41.246; envelope-from=ruijie@HIDDEN; helo=mail.netyu.xyz X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: 62767 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, lin Sun <sunlin7@HIDDEN>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN>, bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) Ruijie Yu <ruijie@HIDDEN> writes: > lin Sun via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN> writes: > >> (let ((package--quickstart-pkgs ()) >> ;; Pretend we haven't activated anything yet! >> (package-activated-list ()) >> @@ -4472,10 +4471,10 @@ package-quickstart-refresh >> (current-buffer)) >> (let ((info-dirs (butlast Info-directory-list))) >> (when info-dirs >> - (pp `(progn (require 'info) >> - (info-initialize) >> - (setq Info-directory-list >> - (append ',info-dirs Info-directory-list))) >> + (pp `(with-eval-after-load 'info >> + (info-initialize) >> + (setq Info-directory-list >> + (append ',info-dirs Info-directory-list))) >> (current-buffer)))) > > I did some testing, and noticed that `with-eval-after-load' returns nil > to its caller when the feature is not loaded. That is, when `info' is > not already loaded, you are effectively calling (pp nil). This is not > feature-equivalent to the original code, so this might require the > `require' form. Sorry, I misread the code. Please ignore this portion of my previous email. -- Best, RY
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#62767; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 62767) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Apr 2023 07:00:01 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Apr 17 03:00:01 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52983 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1poIqG-0004D2-W2 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 17 Apr 2023 03:00:01 -0400 Received: from netyu.xyz ([152.44.41.246]:41042 helo=mail.netyu.xyz) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <ruijie@HIDDEN>) id 1poIqF-0004Cs-13 for 62767 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 17 Apr 2023 02:59:59 -0400 Received: from fw.net.yu.netyu.xyz (<unknown> [222.248.4.98]) by netyu.xyz (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 74fa5049 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Mon, 17 Apr 2023 06:59:58 +0000 (UTC) References: <1181651021.466162.1581309285621.ref@HIDDEN> <1181651021.466162.1581309285621@HIDDEN> <CABCREdqX-nrN+r48UxsAFKZY3CZXxnRtH4HS7bxqsh=EBYmn4g@HIDDEN> <CABCREdoM9Etd_yFa=ttGC6qMpNbN3otKt-WRzSFhdvo3XmXczA@HIDDEN> <CABCREdrzYXahFe2WnG_GcJZa22D-5_rLDS4jqu1uiAX5h5vXrA@HIDDEN> <CABCREdq6NP0cGxTJKO-v9iDkwoOAzP2xo0-p5qcXL9CARN=+kw@HIDDEN> <CABCREdq229_uR180WBrCHUqK20F9VDAsAXHWoTBQR654UiehTw@HIDDEN> <CABCREdojDr56zAi62=pEoi-Oh5tAcCzTNoPFaNKRFVoJgVVVCA@HIDDEN> <CABCREdp94_CzjVg3SxZUJeTdHpErQOpFmYWyP6AJV4=MiZqTRA@HIDDEN> <87sfd2ns6d.fsf@HIDDEN> <833551ecb2.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ttxh4e9i.fsf@HIDDEN> <CABCREdomqNHQ7Q018WEQ=X2-e1ZKdRCOBvtiof4yLKEzZXhVGw@HIDDEN> <sdvy1mruhag.fsf@HIDDEN> User-agent: mu4e 1.9.22; emacs 30.0.50 From: Ruijie Yu <ruijie@HIDDEN> To: Ruijie Yu <ruijie@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#62767: 29.0.90; [PATCH] *lisp/emacs-lisp/package.el: set variables after info package Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2023 14:59:00 +0800 In-reply-to: <sdvy1mruhag.fsf@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <sdvttxfuh7n.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 62767 Cc: 62767 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, lin Sun <sunlin7@HIDDEN>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN>, bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Ruijie Yu <ruijie@HIDDEN> writes: > lin Sun via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN> writes: > >> (let ((package--quickstart-pkgs ()) >> ;; Pretend we haven't activated anything yet! >> (package-activated-list ()) >> @@ -4472,10 +4471,10 @@ package-quickstart-refresh >> (current-buffer)) >> (let ((info-dirs (butlast Info-directory-list))) >> (when info-dirs >> - (pp `(progn (require 'info) >> - (info-initialize) >> - (setq Info-directory-list >> - (append ',info-dirs Info-directory-list))) >> + (pp `(with-eval-after-load 'info >> + (info-initialize) >> + (setq Info-directory-list >> + (append ',info-dirs Info-directory-list))) >> (current-buffer)))) > > I did some testing, and noticed that `with-eval-after-load' returns nil > to its caller when the feature is not loaded. That is, when `info' is > not already loaded, you are effectively calling (pp nil). This is not > feature-equivalent to the original code, so this might require the > `require' form. Sorry, I misread the code. Please ignore this portion of my previous email. -- Best, RY
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#62767; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 62767) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Apr 2023 06:58:23 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Apr 17 02:58:23 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52975 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1poIoh-00049u-0t for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 17 Apr 2023 02:58:23 -0400 Received: from netyu.xyz ([152.44.41.246]:59552 helo=mail.netyu.xyz) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <ruijie@HIDDEN>) id 1poIog-00049m-3W for 62767 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 17 Apr 2023 02:58:22 -0400 Received: from fw.net.yu.netyu.xyz (<unknown> [222.248.4.98]) by netyu.xyz (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id c4417944 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Mon, 17 Apr 2023 06:58:20 +0000 (UTC) References: <1181651021.466162.1581309285621.ref@HIDDEN> <1181651021.466162.1581309285621@HIDDEN> <CABCREdqX-nrN+r48UxsAFKZY3CZXxnRtH4HS7bxqsh=EBYmn4g@HIDDEN> <CABCREdoM9Etd_yFa=ttGC6qMpNbN3otKt-WRzSFhdvo3XmXczA@HIDDEN> <CABCREdrzYXahFe2WnG_GcJZa22D-5_rLDS4jqu1uiAX5h5vXrA@HIDDEN> <CABCREdq6NP0cGxTJKO-v9iDkwoOAzP2xo0-p5qcXL9CARN=+kw@HIDDEN> <CABCREdq229_uR180WBrCHUqK20F9VDAsAXHWoTBQR654UiehTw@HIDDEN> <CABCREdojDr56zAi62=pEoi-Oh5tAcCzTNoPFaNKRFVoJgVVVCA@HIDDEN> <CABCREdp94_CzjVg3SxZUJeTdHpErQOpFmYWyP6AJV4=MiZqTRA@HIDDEN> <87sfd2ns6d.fsf@HIDDEN> <833551ecb2.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ttxh4e9i.fsf@HIDDEN> <CABCREdomqNHQ7Q018WEQ=X2-e1ZKdRCOBvtiof4yLKEzZXhVGw@HIDDEN> User-agent: mu4e 1.9.22; emacs 30.0.50 From: Ruijie Yu <ruijie@HIDDEN> To: lin Sun <sunlin7@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#62767: 29.0.90; [PATCH] *lisp/emacs-lisp/package.el: set variables after info package Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2023 14:53:50 +0800 In-reply-to: <CABCREdomqNHQ7Q018WEQ=X2-e1ZKdRCOBvtiof4yLKEzZXhVGw@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <sdvy1mruhag.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 62767 Cc: 62767 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN>, bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) lin Sun via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN> writes: > Hi Philip, > > I had researched these three calls with the "require 'info", and > updated the patch for better performance. > The 1 th and 3rd can be rewritten with the new form, but the 2nd one > is necessary, and should not be changed. > @@ -4427,7 +4426,7 @@ package-quickstart-refresh > "(Re)Generate the `package-quickstart-file'." > (interactive) > (package-initialize 'no-activate) > - (require 'info) > + (require 'info) ; insure Info-directory-list avaliable for package-activate "insure" -> "ensure"? > (let ((package--quickstart-pkgs ()) > ;; Pretend we haven't activated anything yet! > (package-activated-list ()) > @@ -4472,10 +4471,10 @@ package-quickstart-refresh > (current-buffer)) > (let ((info-dirs (butlast Info-directory-list))) > (when info-dirs > - (pp `(progn (require 'info) > - (info-initialize) > - (setq Info-directory-list > - (append ',info-dirs Info-directory-list))) > + (pp `(with-eval-after-load 'info > + (info-initialize) > + (setq Info-directory-list > + (append ',info-dirs Info-directory-list))) > (current-buffer)))) I did some testing, and noticed that `with-eval-after-load' returns nil to its caller when the feature is not loaded. That is, when `info' is not already loaded, you are effectively calling (pp nil). This is not feature-equivalent to the original code, so this might require the `require' form. -- Best, RY
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#62767; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Apr 2023 06:58:32 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Apr 17 02:58:32 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52978 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1poIoq-0004AN-Dd for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 17 Apr 2023 02:58:32 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:53148) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <ruijie@HIDDEN>) id 1poIoo-0004AF-L8 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 17 Apr 2023 02:58:31 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <ruijie@HIDDEN>) id 1poIoo-0001Z3-9q for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Mon, 17 Apr 2023 02:58:30 -0400 Received: from netyu.xyz ([152.44.41.246] helo=mail.netyu.xyz) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <ruijie@HIDDEN>) id 1poIok-0000V8-1H; Mon, 17 Apr 2023 02:58:29 -0400 Received: from fw.net.yu.netyu.xyz (<unknown> [222.248.4.98]) by netyu.xyz (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id c4417944 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Mon, 17 Apr 2023 06:58:20 +0000 (UTC) References: <1181651021.466162.1581309285621.ref@HIDDEN> <1181651021.466162.1581309285621@HIDDEN> <CABCREdqX-nrN+r48UxsAFKZY3CZXxnRtH4HS7bxqsh=EBYmn4g@HIDDEN> <CABCREdoM9Etd_yFa=ttGC6qMpNbN3otKt-WRzSFhdvo3XmXczA@HIDDEN> <CABCREdrzYXahFe2WnG_GcJZa22D-5_rLDS4jqu1uiAX5h5vXrA@HIDDEN> <CABCREdq6NP0cGxTJKO-v9iDkwoOAzP2xo0-p5qcXL9CARN=+kw@HIDDEN> <CABCREdq229_uR180WBrCHUqK20F9VDAsAXHWoTBQR654UiehTw@HIDDEN> <CABCREdojDr56zAi62=pEoi-Oh5tAcCzTNoPFaNKRFVoJgVVVCA@HIDDEN> <CABCREdp94_CzjVg3SxZUJeTdHpErQOpFmYWyP6AJV4=MiZqTRA@HIDDEN> <87sfd2ns6d.fsf@HIDDEN> <833551ecb2.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ttxh4e9i.fsf@HIDDEN> <CABCREdomqNHQ7Q018WEQ=X2-e1ZKdRCOBvtiof4yLKEzZXhVGw@HIDDEN> User-agent: mu4e 1.9.22; emacs 30.0.50 From: Ruijie Yu <ruijie@HIDDEN> To: lin Sun <sunlin7@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#62767: 29.0.90; [PATCH] *lisp/emacs-lisp/package.el: set variables after info package Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2023 14:53:50 +0800 In-reply-to: <CABCREdomqNHQ7Q018WEQ=X2-e1ZKdRCOBvtiof4yLKEzZXhVGw@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <sdvy1mruhag.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=152.44.41.246; envelope-from=ruijie@HIDDEN; helo=mail.netyu.xyz X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: 62767 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN>, bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) lin Sun via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN> writes: > Hi Philip, > > I had researched these three calls with the "require 'info", and > updated the patch for better performance. > The 1 th and 3rd can be rewritten with the new form, but the 2nd one > is necessary, and should not be changed. > @@ -4427,7 +4426,7 @@ package-quickstart-refresh > "(Re)Generate the `package-quickstart-file'." > (interactive) > (package-initialize 'no-activate) > - (require 'info) > + (require 'info) ; insure Info-directory-list avaliable for package-activate "insure" -> "ensure"? > (let ((package--quickstart-pkgs ()) > ;; Pretend we haven't activated anything yet! > (package-activated-list ()) > @@ -4472,10 +4471,10 @@ package-quickstart-refresh > (current-buffer)) > (let ((info-dirs (butlast Info-directory-list))) > (when info-dirs > - (pp `(progn (require 'info) > - (info-initialize) > - (setq Info-directory-list > - (append ',info-dirs Info-directory-list))) > + (pp `(with-eval-after-load 'info > + (info-initialize) > + (setq Info-directory-list > + (append ',info-dirs Info-directory-list))) > (current-buffer)))) I did some testing, and noticed that `with-eval-after-load' returns nil to its caller when the feature is not loaded. That is, when `info' is not already loaded, you are effectively calling (pp nil). This is not feature-equivalent to the original code, so this might require the `require' form. -- Best, RY
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#62767; Package emacs.
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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 606bc5f2dff008ecbf65bf09adbd6612; Mon, 17 Apr 2023 06:13:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ed1-f46.google.com with SMTP id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-505934ccc35so3720912a12.2 for <62767 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 16 Apr 2023 23:13:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: AAQBX9dKXyzt1XGfkmLNzdXwASFhjKt+gOO3E8OtsxfvxZrvzd0qApUL Lj2gc/AbtnPqoi/QpYfMs81oG+xVJTc9Kpo2Wbw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AKy350bO3qSWtYShx1qVDEfMeKrzSczwOm5d5DQCiFITFMUT8XRQ9qChoc3ZWybS/63pedAec2nvUxMXGVhatKzjP7o= X-Received: by 2002:a50:f696:0:b0:506:71e7:1b5c with SMTP id d22-20020a50f696000000b0050671e71b5cmr6612181edn.5.1681712008879; Sun, 16 Apr 2023 23:13:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1181651021.466162.1581309285621.ref@HIDDEN> <1181651021.466162.1581309285621@HIDDEN> <CABCREdqX-nrN+r48UxsAFKZY3CZXxnRtH4HS7bxqsh=EBYmn4g@HIDDEN> <CABCREdoM9Etd_yFa=ttGC6qMpNbN3otKt-WRzSFhdvo3XmXczA@HIDDEN> <CABCREdrzYXahFe2WnG_GcJZa22D-5_rLDS4jqu1uiAX5h5vXrA@HIDDEN> <CABCREdq6NP0cGxTJKO-v9iDkwoOAzP2xo0-p5qcXL9CARN=+kw@HIDDEN> <CABCREdq229_uR180WBrCHUqK20F9VDAsAXHWoTBQR654UiehTw@HIDDEN> <CABCREdojDr56zAi62=pEoi-Oh5tAcCzTNoPFaNKRFVoJgVVVCA@HIDDEN> <CABCREdp94_CzjVg3SxZUJeTdHpErQOpFmYWyP6AJV4=MiZqTRA@HIDDEN> <87sfd2ns6d.fsf@HIDDEN> <833551ecb2.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ttxh4e9i.fsf@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87ttxh4e9i.fsf@HIDDEN> From: lin Sun <sunlin7@HIDDEN> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2023 06:13:16 +0000 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: <CABCREdomqNHQ7Q018WEQ=X2-e1ZKdRCOBvtiof4yLKEzZXhVGw@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <CABCREdomqNHQ7Q018WEQ=X2-e1ZKdRCOBvtiof4yLKEzZXhVGw@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#62767: 29.0.90; [PATCH] *lisp/emacs-lisp/package.el: set variables after info package To: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="000000000000e78e0b05f982168c" X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.21365 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 4069 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 62767 Cc: 62767 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) --000000000000e78e0b05f982168c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Philip, I had researched these three calls with the "require 'info", and updated the patch for better performance. The 1 th and 3rd can be rewritten with the new form, but the 2nd one is necessary, and should not be changed. Please help review the new attached patch file. Thanks. Hi Eli, > And this is the only place in Emacs where we have (require 'FOO) and > FOO is not necessary for Emacs to start up? My configuration will load the package.el at startup, so I tracked the initial packages, and found the "require `info" will take ~1 seconds on my old PC. 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bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#62767; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 62767) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Apr 2023 10:58:12 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Apr 15 06:58:12 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48352 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1pndbg-0001SW-7c for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 15 Apr 2023 06:58:12 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:49294) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1pndbe-0001SI-JQ for 62767 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 15 Apr 2023 06:58:11 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1pndbZ-0005uB-8S; Sat, 15 Apr 2023 06:58:05 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=lfy1OzvtlMOJRgdbteWZj5ZBU6AZJXIsgSaGO4kD/dU=; b=OH0Om21Gw2A+ StiPBxTWS5sI6udICnTBJiJZIsePFqM/qTOJOKE+0FY8kMu/nIB/1KfmA/wn+5PwL9ttDmYtQldis Io3qG4fBsbL7MT+i6aq8I8miETzjzDdlKZ/lk0a72pdrkD9USOgxM5ytQiy+R9V07wSAStkSmTG5w 5TAIoaYah4f2hh3Y0w/402ew4/YC8lw/7VcNv/ARbdGeaLBQM0c7fTOTRKJXNqWMaelTv7nP63lTg cTrNGLchClO1BKM7+HXyxS62GfKctZX1MUwDC0sYECBI1ir49+eFRJMoGOCYrrRYkfYZ0UYB7nw4x JQ+QFaR0xdSAKUm6mmy71g==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1pndbY-0007aq-Ga; Sat, 15 Apr 2023 06:58:04 -0400 Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2023 13:58:05 +0300 Message-Id: <83leitcszm.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87ttxh4e9i.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Philip Kaludercic on Sat, 15 Apr 2023 10:43:21 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#62767: 29.0.90; [PATCH] *lisp/emacs-lisp/package.el: set variables after info package References: <1181651021.466162.1581309285621.ref@HIDDEN> <1181651021.466162.1581309285621@HIDDEN> <CABCREdqX-nrN+r48UxsAFKZY3CZXxnRtH4HS7bxqsh=EBYmn4g@HIDDEN> <CABCREdoM9Etd_yFa=ttGC6qMpNbN3otKt-WRzSFhdvo3XmXczA@HIDDEN> <CABCREdrzYXahFe2WnG_GcJZa22D-5_rLDS4jqu1uiAX5h5vXrA@HIDDEN> <CABCREdq6NP0cGxTJKO-v9iDkwoOAzP2xo0-p5qcXL9CARN=+kw@HIDDEN> <CABCREdq229_uR180WBrCHUqK20F9VDAsAXHWoTBQR654UiehTw@HIDDEN> <CABCREdojDr56zAi62=pEoi-Oh5tAcCzTNoPFaNKRFVoJgVVVCA@HIDDEN> <CABCREdp94_CzjVg3SxZUJeTdHpErQOpFmYWyP6AJV4=MiZqTRA@HIDDEN> <87sfd2ns6d.fsf@HIDDEN> <833551ecb2.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ttxh4e9i.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 62767 Cc: 62767 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, sunlin7@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN> > Cc: sunlin7@HIDDEN, 62767 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2023 10:43:21 +0000 > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > > >> From: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN> > >> Cc: 62767 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, eliz@HIDDEN > >> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2023 20:07:54 +0000 > >> > >> lin Sun <sunlin7@HIDDEN> writes: > >> > >> > Hi, > >> > > >> > The package.el will always require the entire `info.el` on its package > >> > activating function. > >> > Using the `with-eval-after-load` to arrange the work can avoid the > >> > unnecessary loading the `info` package. > >> > >> Note that this is not the only place where info is required. If this is > >> an acceptable solution (which I am not sure since `with-eval-after-load' > >> is something I usually encounter in user configurations), then we should > >> think about consistently addressing the issue: > > > > What exactly are the problems with requiring info.el? We require > > packages that define some function in gazillion other places, so what > > makes this one case special? > > Some people optimise the startup time of Emacs and want to avoid loading > files that are not necessary for Emacs to start-up. And this is the only place in Emacs where we have (require 'FOO) and FOO is not necessary for Emacs to start up? I'd be surprised.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#62767; Package emacs.
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If this is >> an acceptable solution (which I am not sure since `with-eval-after-load' >> is something I usually encounter in user configurations), then we should >> think about consistently addressing the issue: > > What exactly are the problems with requiring info.el? We require > packages that define some function in gazillion other places, so what > makes this one case special? Some people optimise the startup time of Emacs and want to avoid loading files that are not necessary for Emacs to start-up. -- Philip Kaludercic
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#62767; Package emacs.
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I'm tracking the startup performance issue on my local, and found the line 896, after change to the patched lines, it works for me several weeks without regression. I'll check other lines you mentioned, thanks
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lin Sun <sunlin7@HIDDEN> writes:
> Hi,
>
> The package.el will always require the entire `info.el` on its package
> activating function.
> Using the `with-eval-after-load` to arrange the work can avoid the
> unnecessary loading the `info` package.
Note that this is not the only place where info is required. If this is
an acceptable solution (which I am not sure since `with-eval-after-load'
is something I usually encounter in user configurations), then we should
think about consistently addressing the issue:
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3 matches for "require 'info" in buffer: package.el
: (add-to-list 'load-path (directory-file-name pkg-dir)))
: ;; Add info node.
: (when (file-exists-p (expand-file-name "dir" pkg-dir))
: ;; FIXME: not the friendliest, but simple.
896: (require 'info)
: (info-initialize)
: (add-to-list 'Info-directory-list pkg-dir))
: (push name package-activated-list)
: ;; Don't return nil.
-------
:(defun package-quickstart-refresh ()
: "(Re)Generate the `package-quickstart-file'."
: (interactive)
: (package-initialize 'no-activate)
4444: (require 'info)
: (let ((package--quickstart-pkgs ())
: ;; Pretend we haven't activated anything yet!
: (package-activated-list ())
: ;; Make sure we can load this file without load-source-file-function.
-------
: package-activated-list)))
: (current-buffer))
: (let ((info-dirs (butlast Info-directory-list)))
: (when info-dirs
4489: (pp `(progn (require 'info)
: (info-initialize)
: (setq Info-directory-list
: (append ',info-dirs Info-directory-list)))
: (current-buffer))))
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> Please help review the patch. Thanks.
>
> Best regards
> Lin
>
> From 4908999eefa315cfa1a1434baf891ce98ee8d871 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
> From: Lin Sun <sunlin7@HIDDEN>
> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2023 00:00:13 +0000
> Subject: [PATCH] *lisp/emacs-lisp/package.el: set variables after info package
> be loaded
>
> ---
> lisp/emacs-lisp/package.el | 7 +++----
> 1 file changed, 3 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-)
>
> diff --git a/lisp/emacs-lisp/package.el b/lisp/emacs-lisp/package.el
> index f92afe56b7..bb0491e509 100644
> --- a/lisp/emacs-lisp/package.el
> +++ b/lisp/emacs-lisp/package.el
> @@ -892,10 +892,9 @@ package-activate-1
> (add-to-list 'load-path (directory-file-name pkg-dir)))
> ;; Add info node.
> (when (file-exists-p (expand-file-name "dir" pkg-dir))
> - ;; FIXME: not the friendliest, but simple.
> - (require 'info)
> - (info-initialize)
> - (add-to-list 'Info-directory-list pkg-dir))
> + (with-eval-after-load 'info
> + (info-initialize)
> + (add-to-list 'Info-directory-list pkg-dir)))
> (push name package-activated-list)
> ;; Don't return nil.
> t)))
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