Package: emacs;
Reported by: "John Wiegley" <johnw <at> gnu.org>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2023 18:42:01 UTC
Severity: normal
Found in version 29.0.90
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From: "John Wiegley" <johnw <at> gnu.org> To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org Subject: 29.0.90; Forking processes on macOS has become very slow in Emacs 29 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2023 11:41:24 -0700
Hello, I noticed after upgrading to 29.0.90 that Emacs felt very sluggish. I was able to track this down to slow forking behavior, such as what happened in Emacs 26 days. As an example, I started with emacs -Q and then loaded magit and used it to check for changes in one of my local repositories. These are the timings for just hitting 'g': 28.2 Refreshing magit...done (0.298s, cached 11/25 (44%)) 28.2-Macport Refreshing magit...done (0.140s, cached 6/16 (38%)) 29.0.90 Refreshing magit...done (1.495s, cached 11/25 (44%)) As you can see, with identical configuration (-Q) and the same Git project, refreshing takes 7 times longer with Emacs 29 than it did with Emacs 28. I also use the cpu+mem profiler, but all it told me was that Magit was slow, due to every one of its component refresh functions being slower. I have no better data to offer, sorry, but just wanted to bring this up in case others haven't noticed it yet. This is likely to be perceived as a pretty bad performance regression on macOS. I used almost the same Nix recipe to build emacs28 and emacs29: emacs29 = with pkgs; (self.emacs28.override { srcRepo = true; }).overrideAttrs(attrs: rec { name = "emacs-${version}${versionModifier}"; version = "29.0"; versionModifier = ".90"; src = ~/src/emacs; patches = [ ./emacs/clean-env.patch ]; propagatedBuildInputs = (attrs.propagatedBuildInputs or []) ++ [ libgccjit ]; buildInputs = attrs.buildInputs ++ [ libpng libjpeg libungif libtiff librsvg jansson freetype harfbuzz.dev git ]; preConfigure = '' sed -i -e 's/headerpad_extra=1000/headerpad_extra=2000/' configure.ac autoreconf ''; # configureFlags = attrs.configureFlags ++ # [ "--enable-checking=yes,glyphs" # "--enable-check-lisp-object-type" # ]; }); John In GNU Emacs 29.0.90 (build 1, x86_64-apple-darwin22.4.0, NS appkit-2299.50 Version 13.3.1 (Build 22E261)) Windowing system distributor 'Apple', version 10.3.2299 System Description: macOS 13.3.1 Configured using: 'configure 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(Thu, 20 Apr 2023 18:59:02 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.Message #8 received at 62975 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):
From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> To: "John Wiegley" <johnw <at> gnu.org> Cc: 62975 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#62975: 29.0.90; Forking processes on macOS has become very slow in Emacs 29 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2023 21:58:09 +0300
> From: "John Wiegley" <johnw <at> gnu.org> > Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2023 11:41:24 -0700 > > I noticed after upgrading to 29.0.90 that Emacs felt very sluggish. I was able > to track this down to slow forking behavior, such as what happened in Emacs 26 > days. As an example, I started with emacs -Q and then loaded magit and used it > to check for changes in one of my local repositories. These are the timings > for just hitting 'g': > > 28.2 Refreshing magit...done (0.298s, cached 11/25 (44%)) > 28.2-Macport Refreshing magit...done (0.140s, cached 6/16 (38%)) > 29.0.90 Refreshing magit...done (1.495s, cached 11/25 (44%)) > > As you can see, with identical configuration (-Q) and the same Git project, > refreshing takes 7 times longer with Emacs 29 than it did with Emacs 28. Thanks. Can someone else who uses Emacs 29 on macOS reproduce this regression in performance relative to Emacs 28?
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(Sat, 22 Apr 2023 07:07:02 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.Message #11 received at 62975 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):
From: "M. Ian Graham" <hello+emacs <at> miangraham.com> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, John Wiegley <johnw <at> gnu.org>, 62975 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#62975: 29.0.90; Forking processes on macOS has become very slow in Emacs 29 Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2023 07:06:17 +0000
> Can someone else who uses Emacs 29 on macOS reproduce this regression > in performance relative to Emacs 28? I've observed the same general trend at the same general time but had trouble getting a clear handle on the difference. Vague personal observations: I've noticed slowdown on macos (x86) but not linux in recent months, but in addition to moving emacs versions from v28 to master to v29 I've also changed installation methods from homebrew to nix+home-manager so that's a massive confounder. Large loads of things like my org config, elfeed or magit seem sluggish now (often multiple seconds) where they were snappy before (sub-second), and my impression has been that either forking or I/O is much slower but I haven't done much narrowing. I'm unsure at present whether my own observations are due to emacs versions or nix/build/installation differences. On magit specifically, I've followed the magit manual's advice re: the magit executable affecting perf (https://magit.vc/manual/magit/MacOS-Performance.html) but not seen significant changes there. I just attempted to reproduce some difference via emacs -Q and a simple recipe, but haven't easily been able to see a signal. Below are my results for v28 vs v29, both installed via nix. I'm also slowly trying other installation methods with the same recipe to see if anything jumps out. So far, v28 feels plenty slow too. John: Any advice on recipe or setting changes that might get me closer to your results, or should I be seeing something as is? Cheers, Ian --- Timing summary --- Emacs 28: Refreshing buffer ‘magit: emacs’...done (1.880s) Emacs 29: Refreshing buffer ‘magit: emacs’...done (1.910s) --- Recipe for emacs -Q --- (require 'magit) (message (emacs-version)) (magit-toggle-verbose-refresh) (magit-status "~/git/emacs") ;; clean savannah master (switch-to-buffer "*Messages*") --- Nix setup --- # using emacs-overlay to preinstall all packages pkgs.emacsWithPackagesFromUsePackage { config = ""; package = pkgs.emacs; # v28 # package = pkgs.emacsUnstable; # v29 alwaysEnsure = true; extraEmacsPackages = epkgs: with epkgs; [ magit # snip. 100 or so other packages in here ]; } --- Begin Emacs 28 details --- Installation: nixpkgs 22.11, using pkgs.emacs GNU Emacs 28.2 (build 1, x86_64-apple-darwin22.4.0, NS appkit-2299.50 Version 13.3 (Build 22E252)) Enabled verbose refreshing Please type y, n, ! or i, or C-v/M-v to scroll: n [2 times] Refreshing buffer ‘magit: emacs’... magit-insert-error-header 0.000108 magit-insert-diff-filter-header 4.8e-05 magit-insert-head-branch-header 0.041727 !! magit-insert-upstream-branch-header 0.037297 !! magit-insert-push-branch-header 0.000279 magit-insert-tags-header 1.410307 !! magit-insert-status-headers 1.510825 !! magit-insert-merge-log 3.1e-05 magit-insert-rebase-sequence 0.000988 magit-insert-am-sequence 0.000245 magit-insert-sequencer-sequence 7.6e-05 magit-insert-bisect-output 0.000507 magit-insert-bisect-rest 0.000223 magit-insert-bisect-log 2.3e-05 magit-insert-untracked-files 0.081601 !! magit-insert-unstaged-changes 0.023426 ! magit-insert-staged-changes 0.039086 !! magit-insert-stashes 0.018601 ! magit-insert-unpushed-to-pushremote 0.000296 magit-insert-unpushed-to-upstream-or-recent 0.121099 !! magit-insert-unpulled-from-pushremote 0.000187 magit-insert-unpulled-from-upstream 0.023706 ! 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theme-loaddefs faces cus-face macroexp files window text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget keymap hashtable-print-readable backquote threads kqueue cocoa ns multi-tty make-network-process native-compile emacs) Memory information: ((conses 16 175961 10324) (symbols 48 13830 0) (strings 32 45662 3783) (string-bytes 1 1544494) (vectors 16 36388) (vector-slots 8 643651 15793) (floats 8 79 186) (intervals 56 384 0) (buffers 984 15)) ------- Original Message ------- On Friday, April 21st, 2023 at 03:58, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> wrote: > > > > From: "John Wiegley" johnw <at> gnu.org > > > Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2023 11:41:24 -0700 > > > > I noticed after upgrading to 29.0.90 that Emacs felt very sluggish. I was able > > to track this down to slow forking behavior, such as what happened in Emacs 26 > > days. As an example, I started with emacs -Q and then loaded magit and used it > > to check for changes in one of my local repositories. These are the timings > > for just hitting 'g': > > > > 28.2 Refreshing magit...done (0.298s, cached 11/25 (44%)) > > 28.2-Macport Refreshing magit...done (0.140s, cached 6/16 (38%)) > > 29.0.90 Refreshing magit...done (1.495s, cached 11/25 (44%)) > > > > As you can see, with identical configuration (-Q) and the same Git project, > > refreshing takes 7 times longer with Emacs 29 than it did with Emacs 28. > > > Thanks. > > Can someone else who uses Emacs 29 on macOS reproduce this regression > in performance relative to Emacs 28? >
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(Sat, 22 Apr 2023 07:54:02 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.Message #14 received at 62975 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):
From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> To: "M. Ian Graham" <hello+emacs <at> miangraham.com> Cc: johnw <at> gnu.org, 62975 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#62975: 29.0.90; Forking processes on macOS has become very slow in Emacs 29 Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2023 10:53:17 +0300
> Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2023 07:06:17 +0000 > From: "M. Ian Graham" <hello+emacs <at> miangraham.com> > > > Can someone else who uses Emacs 29 on macOS reproduce this regression > > in performance relative to Emacs 28? > > I've observed the same general trend at the same general time but had trouble getting a clear handle on the difference. > > Vague personal observations: I've noticed slowdown on macos (x86) but not linux in recent months, but in addition to moving emacs versions from v28 to master to v29 I've also changed installation methods from homebrew to nix+home-manager so that's a massive confounder. > > Large loads of things like my org config, elfeed or magit seem sluggish now (often multiple seconds) where they were snappy before (sub-second), and my impression has been that either forking or I/O is much slower but I haven't done much narrowing. I'm unsure at present whether my own observations are due to emacs versions or nix/build/installation differences. > > On magit specifically, I've followed the magit manual's advice re: the magit executable affecting perf (https://magit.vc/manual/magit/MacOS-Performance.html) but not seen significant changes there. > > I just attempted to reproduce some difference via emacs -Q and a simple recipe, but haven't easily been able to see a signal. Below are my results for v28 vs v29, both installed via nix. I'm also slowly trying other installation methods with the same recipe to see if anything jumps out. > > So far, v28 feels plenty slow too. Thanks. To be useful, these observations should include invocation of other programs, not just of Git.
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From: "M. Ian Graham" <hello+emacs <at> miangraham.com> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, johnw <at> gnu.org Cc: 62975 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#62975: 29.0.90; Forking processes on macOS has become very slow in Emacs 29 Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2023 08:59:54 +0000
(Sorry for the no-wrap in my previous message. I'm a mailing list idiot and trying to be better starting with this one.) > To be useful, these observations should include invocation of other > programs, not just of Git. Here's a recipe spitball: --- (message (emacs-version)) (let ((start-time (current-time))) (dotimes (n 100) (call-process "ls") (call-process "date") (call-process "echo" nil nil nil "foo") (call-process "gcc" nil nil nil "--version")) (message "time spent: %dms" (round (* 1000.0 (float-time (time-subtract (current-time) start-time)))))) --- emacs -Q --script recipe.el results against the same nix-built versions as my previous message: --- GNU Emacs 28.2 (build 1, x86_64-apple-darwin22.4.0, NS appkit-2299.50 Version 13.3 (Build 22E252)) time spent: 4809ms GNU Emacs 29.0.90 (build 1, x86_64-apple-darwin22.3.0, NS appkit-2299.40 Version 13.2.1 (Build 22D68)) time spent: 4626ms --- Variation between runs looks like +=200ms or so, so they're within noise levels of each other. The same recipe against homebrew-installed emacs-plus <at> 28: --- GNU Emacs 28.2 (build 1, x86_64-apple-darwin22.3.0, NS appkit-2299.40 Version 13.2.1 (Build 22D68)) of 2023-04-22 time spent: 4237ms --- This one seems to be consistently faster, roughly a 10% time difference between homebrew and nix installs. But I'm not yet seeing anything near John's 7x difference. Good chance I'm not looking in the right place. Would appreciate any concrete suggestions for recipe changes. Thanks, Ian ------- Original Message ------- On Saturday, April 22nd, 2023 at 16:53, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> wrote: > > > > Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2023 07:06:17 +0000 > > > From: "M. Ian Graham" hello+emacs <at> miangraham.com > > > > > Can someone else who uses Emacs 29 on macOS reproduce this regression > > > in performance relative to Emacs 28? > > > > I've observed the same general trend at the same general time but had trouble getting a clear handle on the difference. > > > > Vague personal observations: I've noticed slowdown on macos (x86) but not linux in recent months, but in addition to moving emacs versions from v28 to master to v29 I've also changed installation methods from homebrew to nix+home-manager so that's a massive confounder. > > > > Large loads of things like my org config, elfeed or magit seem sluggish now (often multiple seconds) where they were snappy before (sub-second), and my impression has been that either forking or I/O is much slower but I haven't done much narrowing. I'm unsure at present whether my own observations are due to emacs versions or nix/build/installation differences. > > > > On magit specifically, I've followed the magit manual's advice re: the magit executable affecting perf (https://magit.vc/manual/magit/MacOS-Performance.html) but not seen significant changes there. > > > > I just attempted to reproduce some difference via emacs -Q and a simple recipe, but haven't easily been able to see a signal. Below are my results for v28 vs v29, both installed via nix. I'm also slowly trying other installation methods with the same recipe to see if anything jumps out. > > > > So far, v28 feels plenty slow too. > > > Thanks. > > To be useful, these observations should include invocation of other > programs, not just of Git. >
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From: Daniel Martín <mardani29 <at> yahoo.es> To: "M. Ian Graham" <hello+emacs <at> miangraham.com> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, John Wiegley <johnw <at> gnu.org>, 62975 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#62975: 29.0.90; Forking processes on macOS has become very slow in Emacs 29 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2023 17:59:19 +0200
"M. Ian Graham" <hello+emacs <at> miangraham.com> writes: >> Can someone else who uses Emacs 29 on macOS reproduce this regression >> in performance relative to Emacs 28? > > I've observed the same general trend at the same general time but had trouble getting a clear handle on the difference. > > Vague personal observations: I've noticed slowdown on macos (x86) but not linux in recent months, but in addition to moving emacs versions from v28 to master to v29 I've also changed installation methods from homebrew to nix+home-manager so that's a massive confounder. > > Large loads of things like my org config, elfeed or magit seem sluggish now (often multiple seconds) where they were snappy before (sub-second), and my impression has been that either forking or I/O is much slower but I haven't done much narrowing. I'm unsure at present whether my own observations are due to emacs versions or nix/build/installation differences. > > On magit specifically, I've followed the magit manual's advice re: the magit executable affecting perf (https://magit.vc/manual/magit/MacOS-Performance.html) but not seen significant changes there. > > I just attempted to reproduce some difference via emacs -Q and a simple recipe, but haven't easily been able to see a signal. Below are my results for v28 vs v29, both installed via nix. I'm also slowly trying other installation methods with the same recipe to see if anything jumps out. > > So far, v28 feels plenty slow too. > > John: Any advice on recipe or setting changes that might get me closer to your results, or should I be seeing something as is? > > Cheers, > Ian > > > --- Timing summary --- > > Emacs 28: Refreshing buffer ‘magit: emacs’...done (1.880s) > Emacs 29: Refreshing buffer ‘magit: emacs’...done (1.910s) > These results are pretty much similar. If the performance degradation is something you notice but can't reproduce in a benchmark, I'd recommend using the macOS Instruments tool to capture a performance trace of Emacs 28 vs 29, while doing the same operations (magit or elfeed refresh, for example). A performance trace from Instruments would help us assess, at the OS and C level, if the slowdown you perceive is real, and where the bottleneck may be. Let me know if you are not very familiar with Instruments and I'll instruct you how to capture a performance trace of Emacs with it.
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From: Alan Third <alan <at> idiocy.org> To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#62975: 29.0.90; Forking processes on macOS has become very slow in Emacs 29 Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2023 13:54:12 +0100
Check you have #define HAVE_POSIX_SPAWN 1 defined in config.h. There's a much larger set of requirements to use posix_spawn at the top of callproc.c, but I don't understand them. If, for some reason, your system isn't using posix_spawn then it will be using fork (Apple removed vfork) and yes, it will be as slow as Emacs 26. -- Alan Third
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