Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN>
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Full text available.Received: (at 63536) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 May 2023 13:36:20 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri May 19 09:36:20 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55707 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1q00HL-00011K-Sw for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 May 2023 09:36:20 -0400 Received: from odoacer.turtle-trading.net ([93.241.193.16]:47431) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <benny@HIDDEN>) id 1q00HJ-000115-OF for 63536 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 May 2023 09:36:18 -0400 Received: from zenobia.turtle-trading.net ([192.168.2.111]) by odoacer.turtle-trading.net with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <benny@HIDDEN>) id 1q00HD-0004pi-54; Fri, 19 May 2023 15:36:11 +0200 Received: from benny by zenobia.turtle-trading.net with local (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from <benny@HIDDEN>) id 1q00HC-000X21-TX; Fri, 19 May 2023 15:36:10 +0200 From: Benjamin Riefenstahl <b.riefenstahl@HIDDEN> To: 63536 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#63536: Feature Request References: <1553770628.2069339.1684237196253.ref@HIDDEN> <1553770628.2069339.1684237196253@HIDDEN> <83sfbwz3cp.fsf@HIDDEN> <2050007547.2204916.1684290974957@HIDDEN> <83y1lnxlzo.fsf@HIDDEN> <1884442844.2472195.1684329429592@HIDDEN> <83bkijxenf.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 19 May 2023 15:36:10 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83bkijxenf.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 17 May 2023 16:37:24 +0300") Message-ID: <87sfbs5tpx.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 63536 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi Eli, Eli Zaretskii writes: > So you want a command to check whether a newer Emacs is available? > But where should this command look? Many (most?) people install > precompiled binaries prepared by their distros, and I assume those > distros have their "check for updates" service or something? > > We could check on the GNU FTP site, but how many users will want to > download and build Emacs from sources? > > What do other people think about this? Since you asked for it ;-): I dislike it when programs annoy me with dialog boxes like that at startup. I start a program because I want to do something that uses it, not to maintain the program. I use Debian and I like working with its package management. It is especially bad when programs tell me they have a new version, but the package manager doesn't actually have it. I also do not always want the latest version of any program in the first place, as long as the current version still does what I want. Regards, benny
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The command should only compare current version of >> Emacs with the latest update and inform user about the difference. Then >> the onus is on user to proceed with the update. Command output can point >> them to relevant section of the manual, informing of ways to install >> (and also update) Emacs. > > How will we know where to look? That's the main technical issue with > this, I think. > > Another possible issue is whether just to tell the user "A newer > version XY.Z is available, you can download it at <URL>", or also > offer a possibility of actually downloading the newer version? The former is preferred. Emacs users more often than not use third party mechanisms (e.g. package managers) to get it installed. Any action for actually downloading would muddy the waters. Here's the flow that I imagine: 1. User runs `M-x emacs-check-update` 2. Emacs checks GNU repo and provides somthing like: `Update for Emacs 29.1 is now available. Current version is 28.2. If you installed Emacs via a package manager like your GNU/linux distribution, homebrew, Guix etc, please follow their respective instructions. If you installed Emacs by compiling from source, follow _link to latest Emacs compilation instructions_. If you'd like to check for updates for Emacs-Lisp packages, please check 'package-upgrade'` 3. User chooses to follow or ignore the instructions. The wording would play big part, but as long as we make it clear to follow the path of original installation is preferred, I think most users can figure it out, just like the rest of the manual. At any point, Emacs providing built-in mechanism for update, while nice to have, will be gigantic pain to implement and even bigger pain to maintain. Something like rustup is well-desired, but Emacs has very broad scope and dependency tree unlike rust toolchain, so I'd rather avoid it. --
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[76.168.148.233]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id y16-20020a17090322d000b001acaf7e26bbsm15911163plg.53.2023.05.17.09.53.37 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 17 May 2023 09:53:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <c057f731-bceb-3f91-c56d-875ffd3b5b0b@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 17 May 2023 09:53:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: bug#63536: Feature Request Content-Language: en-US To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, Andrew Goh <andrewgoh95@HIDDEN> References: <1553770628.2069339.1684237196253.ref@HIDDEN> <1553770628.2069339.1684237196253@HIDDEN> <83sfbwz3cp.fsf@HIDDEN> <2050007547.2204916.1684290974957@HIDDEN> <83y1lnxlzo.fsf@HIDDEN> <1884442844.2472195.1684329429592@HIDDEN> <83bkijxenf.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Jim Porter <jporterbugs@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <83bkijxenf.fsf@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 63536 Cc: 63536 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On 5/17/2023 6:37 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > So you want a command to check whether a newer Emacs is available? > But where should this command look? Many (most?) people install > precompiled binaries prepared by their distros, and I assume those > distros have their "check for updates" service or something? > > We could check on the GNU FTP site, but how many users will want to > download and build Emacs from sources? > > What do other people think about this? I think we could fairly easily *check* for the existence of a newer Emacs release, but the hard part is what to do about it. Is it enough to merely tell the user, "Emacs 29.1 is released," and just expect the user to figure out how to update? For users who get their Emacs from their distro, the distro is responsible for updates then. We can ignore that case.[1] (Ditto for any other package manager: PPAs, Homebrew, etc.) However, for users who get their Emacs from GNU FTP, the only update mechanism right now is 100% manual. It would be interesting to try to fix that, but it also seems difficult: if the user downloaded Emacs and compiled from source, can we make 100% sure that we can do that programmatically for the next release? What if Emacs adds a new library dependency? Maybe GNU FTP could also distribute binaries in some fashion instead[2], but that's yet another complexity to work out. If we distributed binaries, how would we do so? If someone wanted to spend the time to figure out all the issues with this, I think there'd be value in it, but I also think it's more effort than it's worth (unless this is literally just a notification, nothing more). [1] That's what Firefox does too: if you install Firefox from Mozilla, it'll handle updating itself, but if you install it from your distro, the distro handles the updates. [2] There are the MS-Windows binaries, but I don't think we should be spending too much effort on something that would only benefit users of a nonfree OS.
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[202.179.69.9]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j22-20020a17090a589600b00250334d97dasm1755243pji.31.2023.05.17.09.12.17 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 17 May 2023 09:12:18 -0700 (PDT) User-agent: mu4e 1.10.3; emacs 29.0.91 From: Payas Relekar <relekarpayas@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#63536: Feature Request Date: Wed, 17 May 2023 19:34:06 +0530 Message-ID: <87o7mjyrng.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 63536 Cc: 63536 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Andrew Goh <andrewgoh95@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > So you want a command to check whether a newer Emacs is available? > But where should this command look? Many (most?) people install > precompiled binaries prepared by their distros, and I assume those > distros have their "check for updates" service or something? > > We could check on the GNU FTP site, but how many users will want to > download and build Emacs from sources? > > What do other people think about this? The idea itself is valid, as long as the update check happens only at explicit user action. The command should only compare current version of Emacs with the latest update and inform user about the difference. Then the onus is on user to proceed with the update. Command output can point them to relevant section of the manual, informing of ways to install (and also update) Emacs. Optionally, this function can be run at startup for automated update check, opt-in by default, of course. I believe that will match the behavior of 'most' proprietary IDEs. The idea of Emacs setup/startup screen shines with stuff like this, where these options are selected by user at the very beginning. This can even be included in current startup screen as simple hyperlink, IMO and would be a worthy addition. It can also optionally include updating all the activated *ELPAs. Perhaps it can be called something like `emacs-check-update`? --
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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Emacs, Could we have a "update function" feature to keep emacs current. Seriously, I would prefer reading a real gnu emacs manual rather than a online version. --- Andrew Goh ------=_Part_2069338_1646704965.1684237196252 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <html><head></head><body><div class="ydp7d07f27cyahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:courier new, courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Dear Emacs,</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Could we have a "update function" feature to keep emacs current.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Seriously, I would prefer reading a real gnu emacs manual rather than a online version.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div><br></div><div class="ydp7d07f27csignature"><div style="font-family:courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div dir="ltr"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">--- Andrew Goh</font></div><font size="2" style="font-size:13px;"><br></font></div></div></div></div></body></html> ------=_Part_2069338_1646704965.1684237196252--
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