Received: (at 63620) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Feb 2025 12:21:20 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 07 07:21:20 2025 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33265 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1tgNMG-0005qf-5y for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Feb 2025 07:21:20 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43938) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1tgNMC-0005qN-72 for 63620 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Feb 2025 07:21:17 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1tgNM4-0001Pd-3c; Fri, 07 Feb 2025 07:21:09 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=r3fHPK1F4963mwHLix7hxdEoYWU66mP8fSA3b4k1sBw=; b=DVwrmA0dWGoL F+mUeQdJQzuGs+qaJS7xKmjwfCRDuyc8Q2EIQZUBbCWmx294tuU5xUkD5GJCB0bMtakw+pIzd6PzT /rxGEd89SFEGt+WaQkdsnK33YBRWaN2/3GVGCxcoUWzeDrBWhP7VxeiudKPsam991Km2pQXjalijU Z2xn25qGETlzd2t7JJEvDSMVxDBHvXoxX5YskBlg/7pNoQfAasSVj1Xq0tCnTLYumb1se8mRBaLlK xTltgrmBSrJcbg7dqltlahhHpEQwUy5cMl4vmH9CMvLiwIYbhf4w47j5axalUhESSMc6ww9B+XidO XaEJzTHefDOzOaADhI3fZQ==; Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2025 14:20:54 +0200 Message-Id: <8634gq54k9.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <CAN+1HbpVg8LftbnS+W5-g7eaGMc_z7Z74YGiZdjYn_Hsg3R4uQ@HIDDEN> (message from Ship Mints on Fri, 7 Feb 2025 07:05:58 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#63620: 30.0.50; [Feature Request] run hooks on sleep/wake References: <87fs7qmw00.fsf@HIDDEN> <87lehinlvg.fsf@HIDDEN> <87y1ky83du.fsf@HIDDEN> <87legr1tn5.fsf@HIDDEN> <878qqmz99g.fsf@HIDDEN> <8634gtc0k7.fsf@HIDDEN> <87seot3k42.fsf@HIDDEN> <86r04dahpc.fsf@HIDDEN> <878qqkzh9d.fsf@HIDDEN> <874j18zfm6.fsf@HIDDEN> <jwvy0ykjtwa.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <jwvh658jlr1.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <86y0yk6t24.fsf@HIDDEN> <jwv5xloja7l.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <87bjvfx2xv.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1Hbr3fsHfGyDbVVLOO-7k=LRbSXp94ib+jGd9UKDgdT_OoQ@HIDDEN> <877c63x18j.fsf@HIDDEN> <jwva5azk5vw.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <87o6zfplyk.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r04agrb6.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1HbpBaeuGOvz=iC5sKUngEuB-Ew_PMc=y+rr33Fv5PG1X+A@HIDDEN> <90a4296e-02c8-49ec-a10a-04114803a347@HIDDEN> <CAN+1HbpVg8LftbnS+W5-g7eaGMc_z7Z74YGiZdjYn_Hsg3R4uQ@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 63620 Cc: acohen@HIDDEN, 63620 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, michael.albinus@HIDDEN, monnier@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN> > Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2025 07:05:58 -0500 > Cc: 63620 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN>, > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, michael.albinus@HIDDEN > > Do we need to consider not blocking sleep when Emacs is run in batch mode? Why do you think batch mode should be special in this regard?
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charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Do we need to consider not blocking sleep when Emacs is run in batch mode? On Fri, Feb 7, 2025 at 6:43=E2=80=AFAM Andrew Cohen <acohen@HIDDEN> wrote: > Feb 7, 2025 19:16:03 Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN>: > > > On Fri, Feb 7, 2025 at 2:14=E2=80=AFAM Andrew Cohen <acohen@HIDDEN> wro= te: > >> > >> I spent some time looking over the documentation and the general > >> recommendations for dealing with sleep notifications. The > >> recommendation > >> (from systemd/logind) is that any application that needs to do > >> something > >> prior to sleep should monitor for sleep notifications and install the > >> block preventing sleep at the time that monitoring starts. When a > >> notification of sleep is received the application should complete its > >> work and then remove the block. After waking up, the block should be > >> restored. > > > > The semantics on macOS are still a bit murky to me and the API is > > woefully under documented. The steps on macOS, I think, will be what we > > discussed earlier where the block is put in place during sleep-request > > handling. I will see if it is possible to follow the same method as > > gnome but it may have to be through experimentation (that'll be super > > fun). > > > > The other thing I was able to find in documentation from last decade is > > that there are two kinds of sleep, kind of as you'd expect: > > > > - Forced sleep where the user explicitly does something like closing a > > laptop lid or pressing a sleep button. This kind of sleep can be > > briefly delayed but not blocked by an application. > > > > - Inactive sleep where the system sleeps on user idleness. This kind of > > sleep can be both delayed and blocked. > > > > Let's keep the potential semantics and processing differences in mind > > when designing how to make this work across platforms. It may be > > possible to have one system implementation emulate another but that > > could be cumbersome vs. a more accommodative structure. > > > Sure. Having thought a bit more I am convinced that starting the block > before the sleep notification is the right thing, and am hopeful that > macos can accommodate it. I think that with logind putting the block on > AFTER the notification is actually not allowed (at least it seems that > way in my testing. > > But I suspect we can accommodate both approaches if necessary. > > Can I get any feedback about the file descriptor closure issue? From what > I can tell without exposing it in lisp the way I did I won't be able to > use blocking anyway. > --000000000000c8a7a6062d8c3513 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospac= e">Do we need to consider not blocking sleep when Emacs is run in batch mod= e?</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir= =3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Feb 7, 2025 at 6:43=E2=80=AFAM Andrew= Cohen <<a href=3D"mailto:acohen@HIDDEN">acohen@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:<br= ></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;= border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Feb 7, 2025 19:16:= 03 Ship Mints <<a href=3D"mailto:shipmints@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">= shipmints@HIDDEN</a>>:<br> <br> > On Fri, Feb 7, 2025 at 2:14=E2=80=AFAM Andrew Cohen <<a href=3D"mai= lto:acohen@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">acohen@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:<br> >><br> >> I spent some time looking over the documentation and the general<b= r> >> recommendations for dealing with sleep notifications. The <br> >> recommendation<br> >> (from systemd/logind) is that any application that needs to do <br= > >> something<br> >> prior to sleep should monitor for sleep notifications and install = the<br> >> block preventing sleep at the time that monitoring starts. When a<= br> >> notification of sleep is received the application should complete = its<br> >> work and then remove the block. After waking up, the block should = be<br> >> restored.<br> ><br> > The semantics on macOS are still a bit murky to me and the API is <br> > woefully under documented. The steps on macOS, I think, will be what w= e <br> > discussed earlier where the block is put in place during sleep-request= <br> > handling. I will see if it is possible to follow the same method as <b= r> > gnome but it may have to be through experimentation (that'll be su= per <br> > fun).<br> ><br> > The other thing I was able to find in documentation from last decade i= s <br> > that there are two kinds of sleep, kind of as you'd expect:<br> ><br> > - Forced sleep where the user explicitly does something like closing a= <br> > laptop lid or pressing a sleep button. This kind of sleep can be <br> > briefly delayed but not blocked by an application.<br> ><br> > - Inactive sleep where the system sleeps on user idleness. This kind o= f <br> > sleep can be both delayed and blocked.<br> ><br> > Let's keep the potential semantics and processing differences in m= ind <br> > when designing how to make this work across platforms. It may be <br> > possible to have one system implementation emulate another but that <b= r> > could be cumbersome vs. a more accommodative structure.<br> <br> <br> Sure. Having thought a bit more I am convinced that starting the block <br> before the sleep notification is the right thing, and am hopeful that <br> macos can accommodate it. I think that with logind putting the block on <br= > AFTER the notification is actually not allowed (at least it seems that <br> way in my testing.<br> <br> But I suspect we can accommodate both approaches if necessary.<br> <br> Can I get any feedback about the file descriptor closure issue? From what <= br> I can tell without exposing it in lisp the way I did I won't be able to= <br> use blocking anyway.<br> </blockquote></div> --000000000000c8a7a6062d8c3513--
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The=20 >> recommendation >> (from systemd/logind) is that any application that needs to do=20 >> something >> prior to sleep should monitor for sleep notifications and install the >> block preventing sleep at the time that monitoring starts. When a >> notification of sleep is received the application should complete its >> work and then remove the block. After waking up, the block should be >> restored. > > The semantics on macOS are still a bit murky to me and the API is=20 > woefully under documented. The steps on macOS, I think, will be what we=20 > discussed earlier where the block is put in place during sleep-request=20 > handling. I will see if it is possible to follow the same method as=20 > gnome but it may have to be through experimentation (that'll be super=20 > fun). > > The other thing I was able to find in documentation from last decade is=20 > that there are two kinds of sleep, kind of as you'd expect: > > - Forced sleep where the user explicitly does something like closing a=20 > laptop lid or pressing a sleep button. This kind of sleep can be=20 > briefly delayed but not blocked by an application. > > - Inactive sleep where the system sleeps on user idleness. This kind of=20 > sleep can be both delayed and blocked. > > Let's keep the potential semantics and processing differences in mind=20 > when designing how to make this work across platforms. It may be=20 > possible to have one system implementation emulate another but that=20 > could be cumbersome vs. a more accommodative structure. Sure. Having thought a bit more I am convinced that starting the block=20 before the sleep notification is the right thing, and am hopeful that=20 macos can accommodate it. I think that with logind putting the block on=20 AFTER the notification is actually not allowed (at least it seems that=20 way in my testing. But I suspect we can accommodate both approaches if necessary. Can I get any feedback about the file descriptor closure issue? From what=20 I can tell without exposing it in lisp the way I did I won't be able to=20 use blocking anyway.
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The recommendation > (from systemd/logind) is that any application that needs to do something > prior to sleep should monitor for sleep notifications and install the > block preventing sleep at the time that monitoring starts. When a > notification of sleep is received the application should complete its > work and then remove the block. After waking up, the block should be > restored. The semantics on macOS are still a bit murky to me and the API is woefully under documented. The steps on macOS, I think, will be what we discussed earlier where the block is put in place during sleep-request handling. I will see if it is possible to follow the same method as gnome but it may have to be through experimentation (that'll be super fun). The other thing I was able to find in documentation from last decade is that there are two kinds of sleep, kind of as you'd expect: - Forced sleep where the user explicitly does something like closing a laptop lid or pressing a sleep button. This kind of sleep can be briefly delayed but not blocked by an application. - Inactive sleep where the system sleeps on user idleness. This kind of sleep can be both delayed and blocked. Let's keep the potential semantics and processing differences in mind when designing how to make this work across platforms. It may be possible to have one system implementation emulate another but that could be cumbersome vs. a more accommodative structure. --0000000000006ec2fe062d8b7a9b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fon= t-family:monospace"><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">= On Fri, Feb 7, 2025 at 2:14=E2=80=AFAM Andrew Cohen <<a href=3D"mailto:a= cohen@HIDDEN">acohen@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:</span></div></div><div class=3D"= gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style= =3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding= -left:1ex"><br>I spent some time looking over the documentation and the gen= eral<br> recommendations for dealing with sleep notifications. The recommendation<br= > (from systemd/logind) is that any application that needs to do something<br= > prior to sleep should monitor for sleep notifications and install the<br> block preventing sleep at the time that monitoring starts. When a<br> notification of sleep is received the application should complete its<br> work and then remove the block. After waking up, the block should be<br> restored.</blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class=3D"gmail_default" styl= e=3D"font-family:monospace">The semantics on macOS are still a bit murky to= me and the API is woefully under documented. The steps on macOS, I think, = will be what we discussed earlier where the block is put in place during sl= eep-request handling. I will see if it is possible to follow the same metho= d as gnome but it may have to be through experimentation (that'll be su= per fun).</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace"= ><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace">The= other thing I was able to find in documentation from last decade is that t= here are two kinds of sleep, kind of as you'd expect:</div><div class= =3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace"><br></div><div class=3D"= gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace">- Forced sleep where the use= r explicitly does something like closing a laptop lid or pressing a sleep b= utton. This kind of sleep can be briefly delayed but not blocked by an appl= ication.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace">= <br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace">- In= active sleep where the system sleeps on user idleness. This kind of sleep c= an be both delayed and blocked.</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" sty= le=3D"font-family:monospace"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style= =3D"font-family:monospace">Let's keep the potential semantics and proce= ssing differences in mind when designing how to make this work across platf= orms. It may be possible to have one system implementation emulate another = but that could be cumbersome vs. a more accommodative structure.</div></div= ></div> --0000000000006ec2fe062d8b7a9b--
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Done. Your proposal to expose emacs_close to Lisp must be decided by the maintainers. Best regards, Michael.
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Perhaps you could check them in your > MA> sleep-handler, and start different actions depending on their > MA> value. > > That is a good idea. We could generalize the mode to handle a variety of > things other than sleep. Maybe we should use a new event category > (<system-event> or something) rather than sleep-event. This general > event can contain actions for sleep, docked, lidclosed, etc. And we > provide a mode for system-event, with sleep just one of the actions. For > D-Bus, this becomes pretty trivial---we just inject all the events we > are interested into system-event and have an appropriate handler. Yes, that's more or less the direction I was thinking of. I'm just polishing my patch, will push it later today. I still keep the event name sleep-event; we can change it later to system-event. But it should be sufficient for now, for your tests and proposed patches for review. What I'll appreciate is, if you could write down what system-event would be good for, and which attributes a (system-event ...) event shall carry. However, this is rather a discussion for the emecs-devel@HIDDEN ML, in order to get more attention from the Emacs developers. > I must say, I hadn't fully appreciated all that can be done with > D-Bus. =F0=9F=98=8A > Best, > Andy Best regards, Michael.
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>>>>> "MA" == Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@HIDDEN> writes:
MA> Andrew Cohen <acohen@HIDDEN> writes: Hi Andrew,
>> (systemd allows me to list all of the applications holding
>> blocks. My gnome desktop typically shows 7 or 8 applications
>> holding blocks for sleep, including the Network Manager, Power
>> Manager, etc)
MA> Side note: According to org.freedesktop.login1.Manager, you
MA> could get this information also on D-Bus level, calling method
MA> ListInhibitors.
Yes, thanks. I was just using this for testing to see if I was
understanding the logic.
MA> Another idea: There are the properties Docked, LidClosed and
MA> OnExternalPower. Perhaps you could check them in your
MA> sleep-handler, and start different actions depending on their
MA> value.
That is a good idea. We could generalize the mode to handle a variety of
things other than sleep. Maybe we should use a new event category
(<system-event> or something) rather than sleep-event. This general
event can contain actions for sleep, docked, lidclosed, etc. And we
provide a mode for system-event, with sleep just one of the actions. For
D-Bus, this becomes pretty trivial---we just inject all the events we
are interested into system-event and have an appropriate handler.
I must say, I hadn't fully appreciated all that can be done with
D-Bus.
Best,
Andy
--
Andrew Cohen
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>>>>> "AC" == Andrew Cohen <acohen@HIDDEN> writes:
>>>>> "SM" == Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> writes:
AC> [...]
SM> so what do we know about when we'll sleep? Can we influence
SM> (e.g. delay) it?
AC> So I can make it work easily for the D-Bus backend, with one
AC> minor issue. The D-Bus interface returns a file descriptor (a
AC> natural number) for the FIFO that is inhibiting sleep. To allow
AC> sleep I have to close this. How can I do that from Emacs?
Just an update:
I have a more or less complete implementation using Michael's
modifications for `insert-special-event'. A sleep-event triggers a
function that manages blocking/unblocking sleep and running the
appropriate hooks. This will work on any system that generates the
sleep-event (the blocking/unblocking routines are D-Bus specific, but
once we know what this looks like on other systems we can dispatch
appropriately). The D-Bus handler just inserts a synthetic sleep-event
when it receives a PrepareForSleep notification. This is what I have
been running for today with no problems.
I spent some time looking over the documentation and the general
recommendations for dealing with sleep notifications. The recommendation
(from systemd/logind) is that any application that needs to do something
prior to sleep should monitor for sleep notifications and install the
block preventing sleep at the time that monitoring starts. When a
notification of sleep is received the application should complete its
work and then remove the block. After waking up, the block should be
restored. This is the logic that I have implemented. (systemd allows me
to list all of the applications holding blocks. My gnome desktop
typically shows 7 or 8 applications holding blocks for sleep, including
the Network Manager, Power Manager, etc). This is slightly different
from what I was doing earlier (where the block was put in place
immediately after receiving the sleep notification---this could lead to
problems if sleep takes over before Emacs completes its
actions. Although in practice I never encountered an actual problem).
The only other thing I had to do was figure out how to close the file
descriptor that implemented the block. According to systemd/logind its
the application's responsibility to close the descriptor to release the
block. But I couldn't find any way to do this from lisp. In the end I
just exported `emacs_close' to lisp as `emacs-close-fd' and this works
fine. But maybe there is a different approach.
Best,
Andy
--
Andrew Cohen
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[Feature Request] run hooks on sleep/wake To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000002fad87062d7b2a89" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 63620 Cc: acohen@HIDDEN, 63620 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, michael.albinus@HIDDEN, monnier@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --0000000000002fad87062d7b2a89 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Only insofar as the C-level API calls are different and that the mechanism may have an impedance mismatches. For example, I do not think on macOS there is a way to describe a delay as Andrew suggests there is on dbus/logind/systemd. The only API I'm aware of is one where you tell the OS that the "user is busy" and then tell it the user is not busy. However, the documentation for the "will sleep" notification does say one can delay in the handler but is otherwise silent on how to do that and I've found no information. I'll have to contact Apple to see how to do this, if it's real. It could be vestigial documentation. On Thu, Feb 6, 2025 at 10:44=E2=80=AFAM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote: > > From: Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN> > > Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2025 08:07:44 -0500 > > Cc: 63620 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, eliz@HIDDEN, michael.albinus@HIDDEN, > > monnier@HIDDEN > > > > I prefer using a mode, it seems more idiomatic. Shall this use > cl-defgeneric in sleep-wake-mode that each > > system can specialize? > > Are there differences on the Lisp level between the systems? > --0000000000002fad87062d7b2a89 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospac= e">Only insofar as the C-level API calls are different and that the mechani= sm may have an impedance=C2=A0mismatches. For example, I do not think on ma= cOS there is a way to describe a delay as Andrew suggests there is on dbus/= logind/systemd. The only API I'm aware of is one where you tell the OS = that the "user is busy" and then tell it the user is not busy. Ho= wever, the documentation for the "will sleep" notification does s= ay one can delay in the handler but is otherwise silent on how to do that a= nd I've found no information. I'll have to contact Apple to see how= to do this, if it's real. It could be vestigial documentation.</div></= div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" c= lass=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Feb 6, 2025 at 10:44=E2=80=AFAM Eli Zaretskii &= lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eliz@HIDDEN">eliz@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:<br></div><bl= ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-lef= t:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">> From: Ship Mints <<a= href=3D"mailto:shipmints@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">shipmints@HIDDEN<= /a>><br> > Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2025 08:07:44 -0500<br> > Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:63620 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" target=3D"_blank">63620@d= ebbugs.gnu.org</a>, <a href=3D"mailto:eliz@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">eliz@= gnu.org</a>, <a href=3D"mailto:michael.albinus@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">mi= chael.albinus@HIDDEN</a>, <br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<a href=3D"mailto:monnier@HIDDEN" = target=3D"_blank">monnier@HIDDEN</a><br> > <br> > I prefer using a mode, it seems more idiomatic. Shall this use cl-defg= eneric in sleep-wake-mode that each<br> > system can specialize?<br> <br> Are there differences on the Lisp level between the systems?<br> </blockquote></div> --0000000000002fad87062d7b2a89--
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[Feature Request] run hooks on sleep/wake To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000009c87ae062d7b1c12" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 63620 Cc: Andrew Cohen <acohen@HIDDEN>, 63620 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, michael.albinus@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --0000000000009c87ae062d7b1c12 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable macOS has an annoying feature that will wake the computer periodically to check shite like email and messages and then go back to sleep. I do not know if the notifications we're interested in are invoked by this default behavior. I've disabled mine to avoid burning the battery with the lid closed. On Thu, Feb 6, 2025 at 10:37=E2=80=AFAM Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for = GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN> wrote: > > What is the semantics of this? If the user closes the lid of the > > laptop, and that was defined to put the system to sleep, does such > > "inhibiting" mean the system will not sleep? If so, I'm not sure this > > is supported. > > Don't know about "supported", but failing to sleep when the laptop is > closed can be a major problem (I only experienced the milder versions, > like finding my laptop with an empty battery, or my backpack all dirty > with melted chocolate, but overheating can be a serious issue). > > [ Of course, it can also be useful, when the laptop is docked into > a keyboard+screen station, or when you want to use it as a headless > server. ] > > > Stefan > > > > > --0000000000009c87ae062d7b1c12 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospac= e">macOS has an annoying feature that will wake the computer periodically t= o check shite like email and messages and then go back to sleep. I do not k= now if the notifications we're interested in are invoked by this defaul= t behavior. I've disabled mine to avoid=C2=A0burning the battery with t= he lid closed.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_contain= er"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Feb 6, 2025 at 10:37=E2= =80=AFAM Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife= of text editors <<a href=3D"mailto:bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN">bug-gnu-emacs= @gnu.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D= "margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-le= ft:1ex">> What is the semantics of this?=C2=A0 If the user closes the li= d of the<br> > laptop, and that was defined to put the system to sleep, does such<br> > "inhibiting" mean the system will not sleep?=C2=A0 If so, I&= #39;m not sure this<br> > is supported.<br> <br> Don't know about "supported", but failing to sleep when the l= aptop is<br> closed can be a major problem (I only experienced the milder versions,<br> like finding my laptop with an empty battery, or my backpack all dirty<br> with melted chocolate, but overheating can be a serious issue).<br> <br> [ Of course, it can also be useful, when the laptop is docked into<br> =C2=A0 a keyboard+screen station, or when you want to use it as a headless<= br> =C2=A0 server.=C2=A0 ]<br> <br> <br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Stefan<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> </blockquote></div> --0000000000009c87ae062d7b1c12--
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>>>>> "SM" == Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> writes:
>> What is the semantics of this? If the user closes the lid of the
>> laptop, and that was defined to put the system to sleep, does
>> such "inhibiting" mean the system will not sleep? If so, I'm not
>> sure this is supported.
SM> Don't know about "supported", but failing to sleep when the
SM> laptop is closed can be a major problem (I only experienced the
SM> milder versions, like finding my laptop with an empty battery,
SM> or my backpack all dirty with melted chocolate, but overheating
SM> can be a serious issue).
The "Inhibit" method I am using allows a delay rather than a total
block. You can specify a time (default I think is 5 seconds) after which
the sleep will proceed (or you can remove the delay earlier). So your
chocolate is safe (at least from melting).
--
Andrew Cohen
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We want to make sure the > system doesn't go to sleep until after the function invoked by the > "about to go to sleep" event completes its job and exits, and for that > all we need is to revoke the inhibition once the function exits, no? > That's right. The revocation on macOS requires calling an objective-c API to relinquish the inhibition. --0000000000008707be062d7b1600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fon= t-family:monospace"><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">= On Thu, Feb 6, 2025 at 10:29=E2=80=AFAM Eli Zaretskii <<a href=3D"mailto= :eliz@HIDDEN">eliz@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:</span></div></div><div class=3D"= gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style= =3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding= -left:1ex">> From: Ship Mints <<a href=3D"mailto:shipmints@HIDDEN"= target=3D"_blank">shipmints@HIDDEN</a>><br> > Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2025 07:24:37 -0500<br> > Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:63620 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" target=3D"_blank">63620@d= ebbugs.gnu.org</a>, <a href=3D"mailto:eliz@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">eliz@= gnu.org</a>, <a href=3D"mailto:michael.albinus@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">mi= chael.albinus@HIDDEN</a>, <br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<a href=3D"mailto:monnier@HIDDEN" = target=3D"_blank">monnier@HIDDEN</a><br> > <br> > The API on macOS would expose a pair of C functions to lisp, one would= inhibit sleep, perhaps returning an<br> > opaque "cookie", the second to revoke the inhibition.<br> <br> Why would this have to be exposed to Lisp?=C2=A0 We want to make sure the<b= r> system doesn't go to sleep until after the function invoked by the<br> "about to go to sleep" event completes its job and exits, and for= that<br> all we need is to revoke the inhibition once the function exits, no?<br></b= lockquote><div><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:= monospace">That's right. The revocation on macOS requires calling an ob= jective-c API to relinquish the inhibition.</div></div></div> --0000000000008707be062d7b1600--
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>>>>> "EZ" == Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
[...]
EZ> What is the semantics of this? If the user closes the lid of
EZ> the laptop, and that was defined to put the system to sleep,
EZ> does such "inhibiting" mean the system will not sleep? If so,
EZ> I'm not sure this is supported. Or do you mean to delay sleep
EZ> which is triggered by prolonged enough lack of activity?
The former. Here is how it works for logind (which is common for
gnu/linux desktops):
logind, as part of the desktop system, takes responsibility for sleep
initiated through the desktop: that is, through a lack of activity, an
explicit hibernate command (maybe a keypress or a menu item) or through
a lid switch, for example. When a sleep request is initiated this way,
it is announced through D-Bus (the PrepareForSleep signal); D-Bus also
has methods that can control the behavior. An "Inhibit" method can be
called which inhibits the sleep process, even if the lid is now closed,
for example. (This inhibition can just be a delay, or it can be a full
block depending on the parameters passed to "Inhibit"); as long as the
block is in place the system will not sleep. The "Inhibit" method
returns a file descriptor, and the block remains in force until the file
descriptor is closed.
It is, of course, possible to trigger hibernation outside of the desktop
system (directly to the kernel, for example), and this is not controlled
through D-Bus.
My daily routine involves a laptop moving from home to office, and I
rarely log out of the desktop or shutdown. So I typically just shut the
lid which triggers hibernation, and rely on sleep-wake-mode to manage
gnus network connections and my vpn. I had never bothered inhibiting the
sleep since Emacs was always fast enough to complete in time, but the
right thing is certainly to call the "Inhibit" method. Other systems are
likely different.
Best,
Andy
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> What is the semantics of this? If the user closes the lid of the
> laptop, and that was defined to put the system to sleep, does such
> "inhibiting" mean the system will not sleep? If so, I'm not sure this
> is supported.
Don't know about "supported", but failing to sleep when the laptop is
closed can be a major problem (I only experienced the milder versions,
like finding my laptop with an empty battery, or my backpack all dirty
with melted chocolate, but overheating can be a serious issue).
[ Of course, it can also be useful, when the laptop is docked into
a keyboard+screen station, or when you want to use it as a headless
server. ]
Stefan
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#63620; Package emacs.
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> insert-special-event is not restricted to the sleep-event event, but
> shall support all special events, finally.
FWIW, that sounds like a useful primitive.
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> Thanks, so which of these solutions would you recommend as the
> cleanest and the most convenient/extensible one?
For the "wake", we could make it into an event, but for the "sleep" part
we can't really push this to the event queue because we need to process
it promptly (the system is waiting for an answer).
So I'd go with the hook.
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Thanks, it wasn't clear to me in your message. Best regards, Michael.
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[Feature Request] run hooks on sleep/wake To: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@HIDDEN> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000028a6a8062d79d992" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 63620 Cc: Andrew Cohen <acohen@HIDDEN>, 63620 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, eliz@HIDDEN, monnier@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --00000000000028a6a8062d79d992 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The flow, as I understand it looks like it will be: 1 OS reports about to sleep 2 C code posts an event 3 sleep-wake-mode processes the event 3a Tell the OS to prevent sleep (has to be done in C) 3b Call hooks 3c Tell the OS it's now okay to sleep (ditto in C) It's 3a and 3c that I was referring to. On Thu, Feb 6, 2025 at 9:09=E2=80=AFAM Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@gmx= .de> wrote: > Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN> writes: > > Hi Ship, > > > The API on macOS would expose a pair of C functions to lisp, one would > > inhibit sleep, perhaps returning an opaque "cookie", the second to > > revoke the inhibition. The same API can be used to prevent macOS from > > ever sleeping, if the user wanted that. > > Why that? If we have the special event sleep-event, you can call > kbd_buffer_store_event directly in your C source. > > The arguments for the sleep-event can be extended as we like, as API. > > Best regards, Michael. > --00000000000028a6a8062d79d992 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospac= e">The flow, as I understand it looks like it will be:</div><div class=3D"g= mail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail= _default" style=3D"font-family:monospace">1 OS reports about to sleep</div>= <div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace">2 C code posts= an event</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace"= >3 sleep-wake-mode processes the event</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" st= yle=3D"font-family:monospace">3a Tell the OS to prevent sleep (has to be do= ne in C)</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace">= 3b Call hooks</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monosp= ace">3c Tell the OS it's now okay to sleep (ditto in C)</div><div class= =3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace"><br></div><div class=3D"= gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace">It's 3a and 3c that I wa= s referring to.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_contai= ner"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Feb 6, 2025 at 9:09=E2= =80=AFAM Michael Albinus <<a href=3D"mailto:michael.albinus@HIDDEN">mich= ael.albinus@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote= " style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);= padding-left:1ex">Ship Mints <<a href=3D"mailto:shipmints@HIDDEN" tar= get=3D"_blank">shipmints@HIDDEN</a>> writes:<br> <br> Hi Ship,<br> <br> > The API on macOS would expose a pair of C functions to lisp, one would= <br> > inhibit sleep, perhaps returning an opaque "cookie", the sec= ond to<br> > revoke the inhibition. The same API can be used to prevent macOS from<= br> > ever sleeping, if the user wanted that.<br> <br> Why that? If we have the special event sleep-event, you can call<br> kbd_buffer_store_event directly in your C source.<br> <br> The arguments for the sleep-event can be extended as we like, as API.<br> <br> Best regards, Michael.<br> </blockquote></div> --00000000000028a6a8062d79d992--
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The same API can be used to prevent macOS from > ever sleeping, if the user wanted that. Why that? If we have the special event sleep-event, you can call kbd_buffer_store_event directly in your C source. The arguments for the sleep-event can be extended as we like, as API. Best regards, Michael.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#63620; Package emacs.
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b=M/8UcbTYwltr+9Nr272i20898v/SvMjuGjJ1a/iExEyfHngtN7TQ56pPGluh9lVh R7nKZ7z+fnxuMA9big1+aleMcght3elwR2BQxNeOGnyARaj/ijgLpmiFYKFJKUYoe H0DlIjmjesKEviEn9HsFg3UG01xbPiZsNTdwfk+wLUvQ0wUk4Q6kkPrjfh2mL2uR7 oqls0tGUdwdrnmBot3RxsIYxjIzyjEDmaheVrXOReYDCONdf/wrieKjpV2xKFOnwc fwGmvMqNJAfdUavLqdK2iyOB+/XekHvq3osVZ0JzbTw7v9m4IU2e7w6ulQq0BC8hG QHlFx+0kJ3e6iJxefw== X-UI-Sender-Class: 724b4f7f-cbec-4199-ad4e-598c01a50d3a Received: from gandalf.gmx.de ([185.89.38.155]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx005 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MacSe-1t9SqN0FHm-00dk1S; Thu, 06 Feb 2025 15:05:33 +0100 From: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@HIDDEN> To: Andrew Cohen <acohen@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#63620: 30.0.50; [Feature Request] run hooks on sleep/wake In-Reply-To: <87ikpn2rjx.fsf@HIDDEN> (Andrew Cohen's message of "Thu, 06 Feb 2025 20:20:18 +0800") References: <87fs7qmw00.fsf@HIDDEN> <87lehinlvg.fsf@HIDDEN> <87y1ky83du.fsf@HIDDEN> <87legr1tn5.fsf@HIDDEN> <878qqmz99g.fsf@HIDDEN> <8634gtc0k7.fsf@HIDDEN> <87seot3k42.fsf@HIDDEN> <86r04dahpc.fsf@HIDDEN> <878qqkzh9d.fsf@HIDDEN> <874j18zfm6.fsf@HIDDEN> <jwvy0ykjtwa.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <jwvh658jlr1.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <86y0yk6t24.fsf@HIDDEN> <jwv5xloja7l.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <86lduj7a3q.fsf@HIDDEN> <87jza3thfq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ikpn2rjx.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2025 15:05:27 +0100 Message-ID: <87ed0btbh4.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:g5kT8QwqFJn2QCoc1tJZuQzLxsNc11qe1emTgL4uOtUFQ9OdYx+ PwyTHt33+f5oJIAGmS7yPerNgJmcf+cqt7Vr8OnmYsd33qIZZ4ITzxIhPfIqVdw7lUa32na iM0r0+pI6+HHamPF56ByOpoGaVE0dfauRSF1JaMZZzoAuUbC/X+yp1nktVVqdTW4serTWE7 GcPFs7Y7KsR48rDNIIjAg== X-Spam-Flag: NO UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:7+iVW9QmKYA=;epxqvhBYS3ohzqwIGbSNpXmYzqR 9AWZD7SuqQ90K86AWNTCuCG3RH1qnnXbF+RqjQnmu2g2QVvWW722onfTHP/d4ICqd+EPhpG7e 46WHukO6P/iDjiBuCCdAs88T/vtlqtKN2WWID69MqYcUlzTJNq0Ox0hMkVMOI/CjgraNhpctb VbQ0rhv2o429+OunwQJLj5cfvT9ukuEmv3r3AzyqX8yQHnFgsGruDMQXxf9gofHP8I7seBjFp mtk/s6RgeIP/Nw2z2F7o4yjQll0In8mWqiUQO1dqzM/lPqBRDD3bufM025oUZG+LNephgJleD eOcVQxQuMlkgf3cvrdPuHImLMDqLfvt0F197APAPuTuGnARjjhwlkVjouDyPYiyOwJBWtqALV ElcyMvCmbCWRkMLa351gKXA+f3So7d4Lr5LGahNfooGdxKhCJbWNci/XRNY1svt21nonctiFL tvQlfJrFSxMxSIFwbvMo0gYO4MVBpCmxwtzB/WHKwECQfvgDGrWkU06Hfc8DFhNUm2zYf0sMs 6jqPZl/zODc7VZ3tuGH3f4vRjGqkPFBXZy4ePvgJWcTzGpTssC0W6cMfGXUfM92WZHRfUdDAD l2fdbBcPbRH8wdPFjFXmSAvkQEsxdVgu9H1PBT72GcvZhqKDBTEerTQT22BrYF2AI3r+D+LZS /OqBQLFH4i77JGEzxcvXlQYrdH4v0bbhT+l6waZhbCUoaayGNHE7+wyHK9PbEextrCfUb8NE4 QaBXCbSKbvdhX9tffZF3t/v2oS42N4I18sQ/+HBMOtShz3QqSW80/JfANy1yN5uRksPtG9ct8 0JNkj5XTFfREHgSYFMADdvaYG6t4qnR4mOTbZ3BaXC1XbEm3Ni281/1AJF4K3Lud8JRchVRhK AdAwHEGeh3qNOUn0WB/KdLNKFMD76sIWMarDELgtIHv+srra7/CiNoh/68k0AyYW+NDvTh3yR +oMB4FKkN2DyIuU8KxvwHBWMTTnYAj++80ahWNb3t8jOKjxn5/LG7SYYeTK4ZGby9oAjSSRL8 +mdqKoTxq9HyZl++yz9niWzXHhu5ph/k0LVfl8yViFuxJjFD/WaGc0lT4o7pBIMORxPqCVQiv HPDJD7epohTI3xGcMeZKYiIGK/2Ne9xDGG0vPcl5MxQFmzKp1ZtqUrjKdIRpwaQaU7vnHV3aW tNGWi+vLYSc/Fbhx2iaq+t219Af/sm0Nj1hcPDfbPQ4GEo4gqeo81Fk+klyorKzFYi1NkIufR UTLpmtT6WTizzGuLgDgzKj92HtDZDvnh49JiPtzdpFLfLvy/hqUScJgYWXS4Fn+LdkgWbjmFx s3egYU0mi3RRdYps5pLXxKdToXv0crva3bv9EdhntJpTbodiwOpZogSO1OZr5eaquG3KDyuWP LQa8psH2CSWWGnWc0YGJhqYymVPGp2ph7uvY8wZUi8MeiVajr2Yox3Vb47 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 63620 Cc: 63620 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, "Michael Albinus via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Andrew Cohen <acohen@HIDDEN> writes: Hi Andrew, > I would change the initial special-event-map binding to 'ignore, so that > nothing happens until sleep-wake-mode is activated. My current iteration > installs the handler in the keymap when the mode is activated and > sets it to 'ignore when its disabled. Good idea, I change the patch accordingly. > I think the remaining big question is how to handle inhibiting sleep > until the sleep-wake code is finished. With dbus.el its straightforward > (although I still don't know how to close the file descriptor returned > from the dbus method in lisp; any help?) but I'm not sure what to do > with other systems. Somehow sleep-wake-mode needs to communicate that > it is OK to release inhibition. I guess one way might be to mimic the > D-Bus method and include a file descriptor in the sleep-event that > blocks sleep until the fd is closed. But this seems kind of contrived. I haven't checked this yet. We will do it once the special-event based approach is accepted. > Best, > Andy Best regards, Michael.
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My current iteration > installs the handler in the keymap when the mode is activated and > sets it to 'ignore when its disabled. Good idea, I change the patch accordingly. > I think the remaining big question is how to handle inhibiting sleep > until the sleep-wake code is finished. With dbus.el its straightforward > (although I still don't know how to close the file descriptor returned > from the dbus method in lisp; any help?) but I'm not sure what to do > with other systems. Somehow sleep-wake-mode needs to communicate that > it is OK to release inhibition. I guess one way might be to mimic the > D-Bus method and include a file descriptor in the sleep-event that > blocks sleep until the fd is closed. But this seems kind of contrived. I haven't checked this yet. We will do it once the special-event based approach is accepted. > Best, > Andy Best regards, Michael.
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Shall this use cl-defgeneric in sleep-wake-mode that each system can specialize? On Thu, Feb 6, 2025 at 8:02=E2=80=AFAM Andrew Cohen <acohen@HIDDEN> wrote: > >>>>> "SM" =3D=3D Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN> writes: > > SM> The API on macOS would expose a pair of C functions to lisp, one > SM> would inhibit sleep, perhaps returning an opaque "cookie", the > SM> second to revoke the inhibition. The same API can be used to > SM> prevent macOS from ever sleeping, if the user wanted that. > > Great! > > So the idea now is: > > Turning on sleep-wake-mode: > > 0. If on a system with D-Bus and logind, we register a signal for > PrepareForSleep with a handler that generates a synthetic sleep-event on > state change using Michael's recent insert-special-event. > > 1. Install 'sleep-event-handler on the special-event-map for > [sleep-event]. > > 'sleep-event-handler will inhibit sleep (with whatever method is > appropriate for the system); run the function sleep-handler-function > which is a defcustom defaulting to running the hooks; release the > inhibition. > > 2. disabling sleep-wake-mode removes 'sleep-event-handler from the > keymap and replaces it with 'ignore. > > (alternatively we could ask each system to expose a lisp function or > variable to turn on and off the generation of sleep-events) > > Best, > Andy > > > -- > Andrew Cohen > --000000000000c06e54062d78f462 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospac= e">I prefer using a mode, it seems more idiomatic. Shall this use cl-defgen= eric in sleep-wake-mode that each system can specialize?</div></div><br><di= v class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gma= il_attr">On Thu, Feb 6, 2025 at 8:02=E2=80=AFAM Andrew Cohen <<a href=3D= "mailto:acohen@HIDDEN">acohen@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote cl= ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid= rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">>>>>> "SM" =3D= =3D Ship Mints <<a href=3D"mailto:shipmints@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank"= >shipmints@HIDDEN</a>> writes:<br> <br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 SM> The API on macOS would expose a pair of C functions to= lisp, one<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 SM> would inhibit sleep, perhaps returning an opaque "= ;cookie", the<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 SM> second to revoke the inhibition. The same API can be u= sed to<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 SM> prevent macOS from ever sleeping, if the user wanted t= hat.<br> <br> Great!<br> <br> So the idea now is:<br> <br> Turning on sleep-wake-mode:<br> <br> 0.=C2=A0 If on a system with D-Bus and logind, we register a signal for<br> PrepareForSleep with a handler that generates a synthetic sleep-event on<br= > state change using Michael's recent insert-special-event.<br> <br> 1. Install 'sleep-event-handler on the special-event-map for<br> [sleep-event].<br> <br> 'sleep-event-handler will inhibit sleep (with whatever method is<br> appropriate for the system); run the function sleep-handler-function<br> which is a defcustom defaulting to running the hooks; release the<br> inhibition.<br> <br> 2. disabling sleep-wake-mode removes 'sleep-event-handler from the<br> keymap and replaces it with 'ignore.<br> <br> (alternatively we could ask each system to expose a lisp function or<br> variable to turn on and off the generation of sleep-events)<br> <br> Best,<br> Andy<br> <br> <br> -- <br> Andrew Cohen<br> </blockquote></div> --000000000000c06e54062d78f462--
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>>>>> "SM" == Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN> writes:
SM> The API on macOS would expose a pair of C functions to lisp, one
SM> would inhibit sleep, perhaps returning an opaque "cookie", the
SM> second to revoke the inhibition. The same API can be used to
SM> prevent macOS from ever sleeping, if the user wanted that.
Great!
So the idea now is:
Turning on sleep-wake-mode:
0. If on a system with D-Bus and logind, we register a signal for
PrepareForSleep with a handler that generates a synthetic sleep-event on
state change using Michael's recent insert-special-event.
1. Install 'sleep-event-handler on the special-event-map for
[sleep-event].
'sleep-event-handler will inhibit sleep (with whatever method is
appropriate for the system); run the function sleep-handler-function
which is a defcustom defaulting to running the hooks; release the
inhibition.
2. disabling sleep-wake-mode removes 'sleep-event-handler from the
keymap and replaces it with 'ignore.
(alternatively we could ask each system to expose a lisp function or
variable to turn on and off the generation of sleep-events)
Best,
Andy
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The same API can be used to prevent macOS from ever sleeping, if the user wanted that. On Thu, Feb 6, 2025 at 7:21=E2=80=AFAM Andrew Cohen <acohen@HIDDEN> wrote: > >>>>> "MA" =3D=3D Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text > editors <Michael> writes: > > [...] > > MA> I'm against to touch the D-Bus code because of this. Unneeded > MA> dependency. > > MA> I've assembled a POC patch (appended), which adds the > MA> sleep-event special event to special-event-map, and which adds a > MA> new function insert-special-event, all on C level. With this, > MA> I'm able to eval in the *scratch* buffer > > MA> (defun sleep-handle-event (event) (declare (completion ignore)) > MA> (interactive "e") (message "Event arrived: %S" event)) > > MA> (insert-special-event '(sleep-event t)) > > MA> insert-special-event is not restricted to the sleep-event event, > MA> but shall support all special events, finally. > > MA> Comments? > > > I personally like this approach (but what do I know?) > > I would change the initial special-event-map binding to 'ignore, so that > nothing happens until sleep-wake-mode is activated. My current iteration > installs the handler in the keymap when the mode is activated and > sets it to 'ignore when its disabled. > > I think the remaining big question is how to handle inhibiting sleep > until the sleep-wake code is finished. With dbus.el its straightforward > (although I still don't know how to close the file descriptor returned > from the dbus method in lisp; any help?) but I'm not sure what to do > with other systems. Somehow sleep-wake-mode needs to communicate that > it is OK to release inhibition. I guess one way might be to mimic the > D-Bus method and include a file descriptor in the sleep-event that > blocks sleep until the fd is closed. But this seems kind of contrived. > > Best, > Andy > -- > Andrew Cohen > > > > --000000000000933138062d785abe Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospac= e">The API on macOS would expose a pair of C functions to lisp, one would i= nhibit sleep, perhaps returning an opaque "cookie", the second to= revoke the inhibition. The same API can be used to prevent macOS from ever= sleeping, if the user wanted that.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quot= e gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Feb = 6, 2025 at 7:21=E2=80=AFAM Andrew Cohen <<a href=3D"mailto:acohen@HIDDEN= ">acohen@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s= tyle=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);pad= ding-left:1ex">>>>>> "MA" =3D=3D Bug reports for G= NU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors <Michael> writes:<br> <br> [...]<br> <br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 MA> I'm against to touch the D-Bus code because of thi= s. Unneeded<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 MA> dependency.<br> <br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 MA> I've assembled a POC patch (appended), which adds = the<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 MA> sleep-event special event to special-event-map, and wh= ich adds a<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 MA> new function insert-special-event, all on C level. Wit= h this,<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 MA> I'm able to eval in the *scratch* buffer<br> <br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 MA> (defun sleep-handle-event (event) (declare (completion= ignore))<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 MA> (interactive "e") (message "Event arriv= ed: %S" event))<br> <br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 MA> (insert-special-event '(sleep-event t))<br> <br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 MA> insert-special-event is not restricted to the sleep-ev= ent event,<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 MA> but shall support all special events, finally.<br> <br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 MA> Comments?<br> <br> <br> I personally like this approach (but what do I know?)<br> <br> I would change the initial special-event-map binding to 'ignore, so tha= t<br> nothing happens until sleep-wake-mode is activated. My current iteration<br= > installs the handler in the keymap when the mode is activated and<br> sets it to 'ignore when its disabled.<br> <br> I think the remaining big question is how to handle inhibiting sleep<br> until the sleep-wake code is finished. With dbus.el its straightforward<br> (although I still don't know how to close the file descriptor returned<= br> from the dbus method in lisp; any help?) but I'm not sure what to do<br= > with other systems. Somehow=C2=A0 sleep-wake-mode needs to communicate that= <br> it is OK to release inhibition. I guess one way might be to mimic the<br> D-Bus method and include a file descriptor in the sleep-event that<br> blocks sleep until the fd is closed. But this seems kind of contrived.<br> <br> Best,<br> Andy<br> -- <br> Andrew Cohen<br> <br> <br> <br> </blockquote></div> --000000000000933138062d785abe--
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>>>>> "MA" == Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors <Michael> writes:
[...]
MA> I'm against to touch the D-Bus code because of this. Unneeded
MA> dependency.
MA> I've assembled a POC patch (appended), which adds the
MA> sleep-event special event to special-event-map, and which adds a
MA> new function insert-special-event, all on C level. With this,
MA> I'm able to eval in the *scratch* buffer
MA> (defun sleep-handle-event (event) (declare (completion ignore))
MA> (interactive "e") (message "Event arrived: %S" event))
MA> (insert-special-event '(sleep-event t))
MA> insert-special-event is not restricted to the sleep-event event,
MA> but shall support all special events, finally.
MA> Comments?
I personally like this approach (but what do I know?)
I would change the initial special-event-map binding to 'ignore, so that
nothing happens until sleep-wake-mode is activated. My current iteration
installs the handler in the keymap when the mode is activated and
sets it to 'ignore when its disabled.
I think the remaining big question is how to handle inhibiting sleep
until the sleep-wake code is finished. With dbus.el its straightforward
(although I still don't know how to close the file descriptor returned
from the dbus method in lisp; any help?) but I'm not sure what to do
with other systems. Somehow sleep-wake-mode needs to communicate that
it is OK to release inhibition. I guess one way might be to mimic the
D-Bus method and include a file descriptor in the sleep-event that
blocks sleep until the fd is closed. But this seems kind of contrived.
Best,
Andy
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bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#63620; Package emacs.
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>>>>> "MA" == Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors <Michael> writes:
[...]
MA> I'm against to touch the D-Bus code because of this. Unneeded
MA> dependency.
MA> I've assembled a POC patch (appended), which adds the
MA> sleep-event special event to special-event-map, and which adds a
MA> new function insert-special-event, all on C level. With this,
MA> I'm able to eval in the *scratch* buffer
MA> (defun sleep-handle-event (event) (declare (completion ignore))
MA> (interactive "e") (message "Event arrived: %S" event))
MA> (insert-special-event '(sleep-event t))
MA> insert-special-event is not restricted to the sleep-event event,
MA> but shall support all special events, finally.
MA> Comments?
I personally like this approach (but what do I know?)
I would change the initial special-event-map binding to 'ignore, so that
nothing happens until sleep-wake-mode is activated. My current iteration
installs the handler in the keymap when the mode is activated and
sets it to 'ignore when its disabled.
I think the remaining big question is how to handle inhibiting sleep
until the sleep-wake code is finished. With dbus.el its straightforward
(although I still don't know how to close the file descriptor returned
from the dbus method in lisp; any help?) but I'm not sure what to do
with other systems. Somehow sleep-wake-mode needs to communicate that
it is OK to release inhibition. I guess one way might be to mimic the
D-Bus method and include a file descriptor in the sleep-event that
blocks sleep until the fd is closed. But this seems kind of contrived.
Best,
Andy
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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
Hi Eli,
>> why would those not be ale to run the
>> hook? If it's because it's in a separate UI thread, they can push to
>> `pending_funcalls`, or in the worst case they can add an event into the
>> event queue and then use `special-event-map` to run an ad-hoc function
>> which runs the hook.
>>
>> Of course, we could similarly make the D-bus code manually do
>> (lookup-key special-event-map [sleep-event])
>
> Thanks, so which of these solutions would you recommend as the
> cleanest and the most convenient/extensible one?
>
> Michael, do you have any opinions or comments about these
> possibilities, from the D-Bus support POV?
I'm against to touch the D-Bus code because of this. Unneeded
dependency.
I've assembled a POC patch (appended), which adds the sleep-event
special event to special-event-map, and which adds a new function
insert-special-event, all on C level. With this, I'm able to eval in the
*scratch* buffer
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
(defun sleep-handle-event (event)
(declare (completion ignore))
(interactive "e")
(message "Event arrived: %S" event))
(insert-special-event '(sleep-event t))
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
insert-special-event is not restricted to the sleep-event event, but
shall support all special events, finally.
Comments?
Best regards, Michael.
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diff --git a/src/keyboard.c b/src/keyboard.c
index 2d8c45c05ee..e6539582eea 100644
=2D-- a/src/keyboard.c
+++ b/src/keyboard.c
@@ -4273,6 +4273,7 @@ kbd_buffer_get_event (KBOARD **kbp,
case CONFIG_CHANGED_EVENT:
case FOCUS_OUT_EVENT:
case SELECT_WINDOW_EVENT:
+ case SLEEP_EVENT:
{
obj =3D make_lispy_event (&event->ie);
kbd_fetch_ptr =3D next_kbd_event (event);
@@ -7110,6 +7111,9 @@ make_lispy_event (struct input_event *event)
#endif
#endif /* USE_FILE_NOTIFY */
+ case SLEEP_EVENT:
+ return Fcons (Qsleep_event, event->arg);
+
case CONFIG_CHANGED_EVENT:
return list3 (Qconfig_changed_event,
event->arg, event->frame_or_window);
@@ -11631,6 +11635,36 @@ DEFUN ("input-pending-p", Finput_pending_p, Sinpu=
t_pending_p, 0, 1, 0,
? Qt : Qnil);
}
+DEFUN ("insert-special-event", Finsert_special_event, Sinsert_special_eve=
nt,
+ 1, 1, 0,
+ doc: /* Insert a special EVENT into the input queue. */)
+ (Lisp_Object event)
+{
+ /* Check, that it is a special event. */
+ CHECK_CONS (event);
+ if (NILP (access_keymap
+ (get_keymap (Vspecial_event_map, 0, 1), event, 0, 0, 1)))
+ signal_error ("Invalid event kind", XCAR (event));
+
+ /* Construct an input event. */
+ struct input_event ie;
+ EVENT_INIT (ie);
+ ie.kind =3D
+ /* TODO: Add the other special event kinds. */
+ (EQ (XCAR (event), Qsleep_event) ? SLEEP_EVENT
+#ifdef HAVE_DBUS
+ : EQ (XCAR (event), Qdbus_event) ? DBUS_EVENT
+#endif
+ : NO_EVENT);
+ ie.frame_or_window =3D Qnil;
+ ie.arg =3D CDR (event);
+
+ /* Store it into the input event queue. */
+ kbd_buffer_store_event (&ie);
+
+ return (Qnil);
+}
+
/* Reallocate recent_keys copying the recorded keystrokes
in the right order. */
static void
@@ -12803,6 +12837,7 @@ init_while_no_input_ignore_events (void)
#ifdef THREADS_ENABLED
events =3D Fcons (Qthread_event, events);
#endif
+ events =3D Fcons (Qsleep_event, events);
return events;
}
@@ -12826,6 +12861,7 @@ is_ignored_event (union buffered_input_event *even=
t)
#ifdef HAVE_DBUS
case DBUS_EVENT: ignore_event =3D Qdbus_event; break;
#endif
+ case SLEEP_EVENT: ignore_event =3D Qsleep_event; break;
default: ignore_event =3D Qnil; break;
}
@@ -12931,6 +12967,7 @@ syms_of_keyboard (void)
#endif /* USE_FILE_NOTIFY */
DEFSYM (Qtouch_end, "touch-end");
+ DEFSYM (Qsleep_event, "sleep-event");
/* Menu and tool bar item parts. */
DEFSYM (QCenable, ":enable");
@@ -13144,6 +13181,7 @@ syms_of_keyboard (void)
defsubr (&Srecursive_edit);
defsubr (&Sinternal_track_mouse);
defsubr (&Sinput_pending_p);
+ defsubr (&Sinsert_special_event);
defsubr (&Slossage_size);
defsubr (&Srecent_keys);
defsubr (&Sthis_command_keys);
@@ -14017,6 +14055,8 @@ keys_of_keyboard (void)
"handle-focus-out");
initial_define_lispy_key (Vspecial_event_map, "move-frame",
"handle-move-frame");
+ initial_define_lispy_key (Vspecial_event_map, "sleep-event",
+ "sleep-handle-event");
}
/* Mark the pointers in the kboard objects.
diff --git a/src/termhooks.h b/src/termhooks.h
index 0795148f1af..a77ca25e159 100644
=2D-- a/src/termhooks.h
+++ b/src/termhooks.h
@@ -291,6 +291,9 @@ #define EMACS_TERMHOOKS_H
, FILE_NOTIFY_EVENT
#endif
+ /* Sleep/wake event. */
+ , SLEEP_EVENT
+
/* Pre-edit text was changed. */
, PREEDIT_TEXT_EVENT
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[Feature Request] run hooks on sleep/wake To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000037a440062d771921" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 63620 Cc: Andrew Cohen <acohen@HIDDEN>, 63620 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, michael.albinus@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --00000000000037a440062d771921 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On macOS, the receiver of a "will sleep" notification can delay sleep for some time. There's also a message when the screen is put to sleep but not the OS that might have some utility. On Thu, Feb 6, 2025 at 12:20=E2=80=AFAM Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN= al.ca> wrote: > > The idea is that you add code to detect the change at the OS level, > > and then create an event of type sleep-event with an argument of t for > > sleep and nil for wake. The lisp package detects the sleep-event and > > runs the appropriate code. > > BTW: I understand what a "wake" event means, but what about > a "sleep" event? I mean: how can we receive this event before we wake > up again? Or does it mean that we're about to sleep? If so what do we > know about when we'll sleep? Can we influence (e.g. delay) it? > > > Stefan > > --00000000000037a440062d771921 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospac= e">On macOS, the receiver of a "will sleep" notification can dela= y sleep for some time. There's also a message when the screen is put to= sleep but not the OS that might have some utility.</div></div><br><div cla= ss=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_at= tr">On Thu, Feb 6, 2025 at 12:20=E2=80=AFAM Stefan Monnier <<a href=3D"m= ailto:monnier@HIDDEN">monnier@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:<br>= </div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;b= order-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">> The idea is th= at you add code to detect the change at the OS level,<br> > and then create an event of type sleep-event with an argument of t for= <br> > sleep and nil for wake.=C2=A0 The lisp package detects the sleep-event= and<br> > runs the appropriate code.<br> <br> BTW: I understand what a "wake" event means, but what about<br> a "sleep" event?=C2=A0 I mean: how can we receive this event befo= re we wake<br> up again?=C2=A0 Or does it mean that we're about to sleep?=C2=A0 If so = what do we<br> know about when we'll sleep?=C2=A0 Can we influence (e.g. delay) it?<br= > <br> <br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Stefan<br> <br> </blockquote></div> --00000000000037a440062d771921--
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>>>>> "SM" == Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> writes:
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SM> so what do we know about when we'll sleep? Can we influence
SM> (e.g. delay) it?
So I can make it work easily for the D-Bus backend, with one minor
issue. The D-Bus interface returns a file descriptor (a natural number)
for the FIFO that is inhibiting sleep. To allow sleep I have to close
this. How can I do that from Emacs?
Best,
Andy
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>>>>> "SM" == Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> writes:
[...]
SM> BTW: I understand what a "wake" event means, but what about a
SM> "sleep" event? I mean: how can we receive this event before we
SM> wake up again? Or does it mean that we're about to sleep?
The events that I am detecting with D-Bus are actually part of logind, a
tiny daemon that manages user logins in various ways. The process
monitors the status of a variety of hardware components (such as the
state of the lid, power, etc), and is responsible for managing
suspension and hibernation. I think that logind, part of
freedesktop.org, is pretty universal on gnu/linux.
The signal I am accessing, PrepareForSleep, is sent right before the
systems enters suspend/hibernate (with argument True), and right after
the system leaves suspend/hibernate (with argument False).
SM> If so what do we know about when we'll sleep?
I don't think there is a guarantee how much time remains before the
sleep state is fully realized. However I've been using this for a couple
of years and have never had a failure to run the hooks to completion.
SM> Can we influence (e.g. delay) it?
logind has a method to inhibit sleeping (exposed through D-Bus), which
can be used to create an inhibition lock, preventing sleep until the
lock is released. It would be ideal to implement this around running the
hooks to ensure that all the Emacs code completes before finishing
sleep. It shouldn't be hard, I just haven't found it necessary. I'll
take a look. And its probably important to have some well-designed API
for this as well.
The real question is what to do on systems that don't use logind. That
will depend on what kind of information is available and how we can
control things. Inevitably this means that we will have a fair amount of
system-specific code in the package.
Best,
Andy
PS:
In trying to understand `unread-command-events' and 'special-event-map'
I came across this bit in bindings.el:
;; FIXME: Do those 3 events really ever reach the global-map ?
;; It seems that they can't because they're handled via
;; special-event-map which is used at very low-level. -stef
(global-set-key [delete-frame] 'handle-delete-frame)
(global-set-key [iconify-frame] 'ignore)
(global-set-key [make-frame-visible] 'ignore)
So I think the answer to the question is "yes, provided someone puts the
event on unread-command-events" where it won't be handled first by
special-event-map. This is why I found that I could inject these special
events onto unread-command-events and have them trigger a callback, but
not the others.
--
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> The idea is that you add code to detect the change at the OS level,
> and then create an event of type sleep-event with an argument of t for
> sleep and nil for wake. The lisp package detects the sleep-event and
> runs the appropriate code.
BTW: I understand what a "wake" event means, but what about
a "sleep" event? I mean: how can we receive this event before we wake
up again? Or does it mean that we're about to sleep? If so what do we
know about when we'll sleep? Can we influence (e.g. delay) it?
Stefan
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I will happily work on the NS event generation. I can prototype any time we're ready. On Wed, Feb 5, 2025 at 21:20 Andrew Cohen <acohen@HIDDEN> wrote: > >>>>> "SM" == Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN> writes: > > SM> If someone builds without dbus, say on macOS, does this approach > SM> work without dbus? > > This assumes that detection of sleep/wake state changes will be added to > the C source (as you offered to implement for NS :)). The idea is that > you add code to detect the change at the OS level, and then create an > event of type sleep-event with an argument of t for sleep and nil for > wake. The lisp package detects the sleep-event and runs the appropriate > code. > > It won't work quite yet (this was just showing the concept) since the C > code has to be written, and the handler function needs to accept either > an event (a cons) or a boolean. But if everyone thinks this is a valid > approach we can take care of this. > > Best, > Andy > -- > Andrew Cohen > --00000000000026c5ac062d6ff886 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"auto">I didn't read the code yet so I'm glad this appro= ach doesn't depend on dbus.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div= dir=3D"auto">I will happily work on the NS event generation. I can prototy= pe any time we're ready.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br><div class=3D= "gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"= gmail_attr">On Wed, Feb 5, 2025 at 21:20 Andrew Cohen <<a href=3D"mailto= :acohen@HIDDEN">acohen@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"= gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-= left:1ex">>>>>> "SM" =3D=3D Ship Mints <<a href= =3D"mailto:shipmints@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">shipmints@HIDDEN</a>&g= t; writes:<br> <br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 SM> If someone builds without dbus, say on macOS, does thi= s approach<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 SM> work without dbus?<br> <br> This assumes that detection of sleep/wake state changes will be added to<br= > the C source (as you offered to implement for NS :)). The idea is that<br> you add code to detect the change at the OS level, and then create an<br> event of type sleep-event with an argument of t for sleep and nil for<br> wake.=C2=A0 The lisp package detects the sleep-event and runs the appropria= te<br> code.<br> <br> It won't work quite yet (this was just showing the concept) since the C= <br> code has to be written, and the handler function needs to accept either<br> an event (a cons) or a boolean. But if everyone thinks this is a valid<br> approach we can take care of this.<br> <br> Best,<br> Andy<br> -- <br> Andrew Cohen<br> </blockquote></div></div> --00000000000026c5ac062d6ff886--
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>>>>> "SM" == Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN> writes:
SM> If someone builds without dbus, say on macOS, does this approach
SM> work without dbus?
This assumes that detection of sleep/wake state changes will be added to
the C source (as you offered to implement for NS :)). The idea is that
you add code to detect the change at the OS level, and then create an
event of type sleep-event with an argument of t for sleep and nil for
wake. The lisp package detects the sleep-event and runs the appropriate
code.
It won't work quite yet (this was just showing the concept) since the C
code has to be written, and the handler function needs to accept either
an event (a cons) or a boolean. But if everyone thinks this is a valid
approach we can take care of this.
Best,
Andy
--
Andrew Cohen
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On Wed, Feb 5, 2025 at 8:44=E2=80=AFPM Andrew Cohen <acohen@HIDDEN> wrote: > >>>>> "SM" =3D=3D Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> writes: > > >>> Maybe a hook is not such a bad idea after all. > >> But then how would platforms where these events come from the > >> window-system call that hook? > > SM> I don't understand the question: why would those not be ale to > SM> run the hook? If it's because it's in a separate UI thread, > SM> they can push to `pending_funcalls`, or in the worst case they > SM> can add an event into the event queue and then use > SM> `special-event-map` to run an ad-hoc function which runs the > SM> hook. > > I remain open to other ideas, but it seems to me that the most > straightforward is to allow systems to add a sleep-event into the event > queue. My original code installed a callback function to run the hooks > when a state change is detected. So this same function can be installed > into special-event-map and the behavior on all systems is the same. > > I've modified the code a bit---I've made the handler function > configurable with a defcustom and set it by default to the function that > just runs the hooks. But the same handler will be used on both > sleep-events and dbus detection. The only difference is that if the > system supports dbus, dbus detection of state changes will be used, > while in other cases sleep-events will trigger the handler. > > ;;; sleep.el --- run hooks on device sleep and wake -*- lexical-binding:= t > -*- > > ;; Copyright (C) 2025 Free Software Foundation, Inc. > > ;; Author: Andrew Cohen <> > ;; Maintainer: emacs-devel@HIDDEN > ;; Keywords: > > ;; This file is part of GNU Emacs. > > ;; GNU Emacs is free software: you can redistribute it and/or modify > ;; it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by > ;; the Free Software Foundation, either version 3 of the License, or > ;; (at your option) any later version. > > ;; GNU Emacs is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, > ;; but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of > ;; MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the > ;; GNU General Public License for more details. > > ;; You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License > ;; along with GNU Emacs. If not, see <https://www.gnu.org/licenses/>. > > ;;; Commentary: > > ;;; This global minor mode enables evaluating code when the device > ;;; running Emacs enters or leaves the sleep state. The hooks > ;;; `sleep-sleep-hook' and `sleep-wake-hook' are run when the system > ;;; detects that it is going to sleep or waking up. Currently only a > ;;; D-Bus interface to detect sleep state change is implemented. > > ;;; Code: > > (require 'dbus) > > (defgroup sleep nil > "Run hooks on device entering/leaving the sleep state." > :group 'hardware) > > (defcustom sleep-handler-function 'handle-sleep-event > "Function called on device sleep state change. > The function takes a single boolean argument (t for sleep and nil for > wake). The default function just runs the sleep and wake hooks." > :group 'sleep > :type 'function) > > (defcustom sleep-sleep-hook nil > "Hook to run on device entering sleep." > :group 'sleep > :type 'hook) > > (defcustom sleep-wake-hook nil > "Hook to run on device leaving sleep." > :group 'sleep > :type 'hook) > > (defvar sleep-dbus-registration-object nil > "Object returned from `dbus-register-signal'. > This is recorded so that the signal may be unregistered.") > > (defun sleep-dbus-detection (mode) > "Enable D-Bus detection of device sleep/wake state change. > When enabled run `sleep-handler-function' when a state change is > detected. Disable detection if MODE is nil." > (if mode > (unless sleep-dbus-registration-object > (setq sleep-dbus-registration-object > (dbus-register-signal :system > "org.freedesktop.login1" > "/org/freedesktop/login1" > "org.freedesktop.login1.Manager" > "PrepareForSleep" > sleep-handler-function))) > (condition-case nil > (progn > (ignore-error (dbus-error wrong-type-argument) > (dbus-unregister-object > sleep-dbus-registration-object)) > (setq sleep-dbus-registration-object nil)) > (wrong-type-argument nil)))) > > (defun handle-sleep-event (sleep-wake) > "Handler to execute sleep and wake functions. > SLEEP-WAKE is t on sleeping and nil on waking." > (ignore-errors > (if sleep-wake > (run-hooks 'sleep-sleep-hook) > (run-hooks 'sleep-wake-hook)))) > > ;;;###autoload > (define-minor-mode sleep-wake-mode > "Toggle sleep/wake detection. > > With `sleep-wake-mode' enabled, the hooks `sleep-sleep-hook' and > `sleep-wake-hook' will be executed when the device enters or leaves the > sleep state. This is currently only available on systems that support > D-Bus detection of sleep state changes." > :global t > :group 'sleep > (cond > ((and (featurep 'dbusbind) > (member "org.freedesktop.login1" > (dbus-list-activatable-names :system))) > (sleep-dbus-detection sleep-wake-mode)) > (t > (if sleep-wake-mode > (define-key special-event-map [sleep-event] sleep-handler-functio= n) > (define-key special-event-map [sleep-event] 'ignore))))) > > (provide 'sleep) > ;;; sleep.el ends here > > > -- > Andrew Cohen > --00000000000026f43c062d6fb81e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospac= e">If someone builds without dbus, say on macOS, does this approach work wi= thout dbus?</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"= ><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Feb 5, 2025 at 8:44=E2=80=AF= PM Andrew Cohen <<a href=3D"mailto:acohen@HIDDEN">acohen@HIDDEN</a>> = wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0= px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">>>&= gt;>> "SM" =3D=3D Stefan Monnier <<a href=3D"mailto:monn= ier@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">monnier@HIDDEN</a>> wr= ites:<br> <br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >>> Maybe a hook is not such a bad idea after all.<b= r> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >> But then how would platforms where these events come= from the<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >> window-system call that hook?<br> <br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 SM> I don't understand the question: why would those n= ot be ale to<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 SM> run the hook?=C2=A0 If it's because it's in a = separate UI thread,<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 SM> they can push to `pending_funcalls`, or in the worst c= ase they<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 SM> can add an event into the event queue and then use<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 SM> `special-event-map` to run an ad-hoc function which ru= ns the<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 SM> hook.<br> <br> I remain open to other ideas, but it seems to me that the most<br> straightforward is to allow systems to add a sleep-event into the event<br> queue.=C2=A0 My original code installed a callback function to run the hook= s<br> when a state change is detected.=C2=A0 So this same function can be install= ed<br> into special-event-map and the behavior on all systems is the same.<br> <br> I've modified the code a bit---I've made the handler function<br> configurable with a defcustom and set it by default to the function that<br= > just runs the hooks. But the same handler will be used on both<br> sleep-events and dbus detection.=C2=A0 The only difference is that if the<b= r> system supports dbus, dbus detection of state changes will be used,<br> while in other cases sleep-events will trigger the handler.<br> <br> ;;; sleep.el --- run hooks on device sleep and wake=C2=A0 -*- lexical-bindi= ng:t -*-<br> <br> ;; Copyright (C) 2025 Free Software Foundation, Inc.<br> <br> ;; Author: Andrew Cohen <><br> ;; Maintainer: <a href=3D"mailto:emacs-devel@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">ema= cs-devel@HIDDEN</a><br> ;; Keywords:<br> <br> ;; This file is part of GNU Emacs.<br> <br> ;; GNU Emacs is free software: you can redistribute it and/or modify<br> ;; it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by<br> ;; the Free Software Foundation, either version 3 of the License, or<br> ;; (at your option) any later version.<br> <br> ;; GNU Emacs is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,<br> ;; but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of<br> ;; MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.=C2=A0 See the<br> ;; GNU General Public License for more details.<br> <br> ;; You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License<br> ;; along with GNU Emacs.=C2=A0 If not, see <<a href=3D"https://www.gnu.o= rg/licenses/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.gnu.org/lice= nses/</a>>.<br> <br> ;;; Commentary:<br> <br> ;;; This global minor mode enables evaluating code when the device<br> ;;; running Emacs enters or leaves the sleep state.=C2=A0 The hooks<br> ;;; `sleep-sleep-hook' and `sleep-wake-hook' are run when the syste= m<br> ;;; detects that it is going to sleep or waking up.=C2=A0 Currently only a<= br> ;;; D-Bus interface to detect sleep state change is implemented.<br> <br> ;;; Code:<br> <br> (require 'dbus)<br> <br> (defgroup sleep nil<br> =C2=A0 "Run hooks on device entering/leaving the sleep state."<br= > =C2=A0 :group 'hardware)<br> <br> (defcustom sleep-handler-function 'handle-sleep-event<br> =C2=A0 "Function called on device sleep state change.<br> The function takes a single boolean argument (t for sleep and nil for<br> wake).=C2=A0 The default function just runs the sleep and wake hooks."= <br> =C2=A0 :group 'sleep<br> =C2=A0 :type 'function)<br> <br> (defcustom sleep-sleep-hook nil<br> =C2=A0 "Hook to run on device entering sleep."<br> =C2=A0 :group 'sleep<br> =C2=A0 :type 'hook)<br> <br> (defcustom sleep-wake-hook nil<br> =C2=A0 "Hook to run on device leaving sleep."<br> =C2=A0 :group 'sleep<br> =C2=A0 :type 'hook)<br> <br> (defvar sleep-dbus-registration-object nil<br> =C2=A0 "Object returned from `dbus-register-signal'.<br> This is recorded so that the signal may be unregistered.")<br> <br> (defun sleep-dbus-detection (mode)<br> =C2=A0 "Enable D-Bus detection of device sleep/wake state change.<br> When enabled run `sleep-handler-function' when a state change is<br> detected.=C2=A0 Disable detection if MODE is nil."<br> =C2=A0 (if mode<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (unless sleep-dbus-registration-object<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (setq sleep-dbus-registration-object<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (dbus-register-signal :sys= tem<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 "org.freedesktop.= login1"<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 "/org/freedesktop= /login1"<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 "org.freedesktop.= login1.Manager"<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 "PrepareForSleep&= quot;<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 sleep-handler-function= )))<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (condition-case nil<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (progn<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (ignore-error (dbus-error wrong-type-arg= ument)<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (dbus-unregister-object<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0sleep-dbus-registration-obj= ect))<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (setq sleep-dbus-registration-object nil= ))<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (wrong-type-argument nil))))<br> <br> (defun handle-sleep-event (sleep-wake)<br> =C2=A0 "Handler to execute sleep and wake functions.<br> SLEEP-WAKE is t on sleeping and nil on waking."<br> =C2=A0 (ignore-errors<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (if sleep-wake<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (run-hooks 'sleep-sleep-hook)<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (run-hooks 'sleep-wake-hook))))<br> <br> ;;;###autoload<br> (define-minor-mode sleep-wake-mode<br> =C2=A0 "Toggle sleep/wake detection.<br> <br> With `sleep-wake-mode' enabled, the hooks `sleep-sleep-hook' and<br= > `sleep-wake-hook' will be executed when the device enters or leaves the= <br> sleep state.=C2=A0 This is currently only available on systems that support= <br> D-Bus detection of sleep state changes."<br> =C2=A0 :global t<br> =C2=A0 :group 'sleep<br> =C2=A0 (cond<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0((and (featurep 'dbusbind)<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(member "org.freedesktop.login1"= ;<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(dbus-list-ac= tivatable-names :system)))<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (sleep-dbus-detection sleep-wake-mode))<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0(t<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (if sleep-wake-mode<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (define-key special-event-map [sleep-event] sle= ep-handler-function)<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 (define-key special-event-map [sleep-event] 'ignor= e)))))<br> <br> (provide 'sleep)<br> ;;; sleep.el ends here<br> <br> <br> -- <br> Andrew Cohen<br> </blockquote></div> --00000000000026f43c062d6fb81e--
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>>>>> "SM" == Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> writes:
>>> Maybe a hook is not such a bad idea after all.
>> But then how would platforms where these events come from the
>> window-system call that hook?
SM> I don't understand the question: why would those not be ale to
SM> run the hook? If it's because it's in a separate UI thread,
SM> they can push to `pending_funcalls`, or in the worst case they
SM> can add an event into the event queue and then use
SM> `special-event-map` to run an ad-hoc function which runs the
SM> hook.
I remain open to other ideas, but it seems to me that the most
straightforward is to allow systems to add a sleep-event into the event
queue. My original code installed a callback function to run the hooks
when a state change is detected. So this same function can be installed
into special-event-map and the behavior on all systems is the same.
I've modified the code a bit---I've made the handler function
configurable with a defcustom and set it by default to the function that
just runs the hooks. But the same handler will be used on both
sleep-events and dbus detection. The only difference is that if the
system supports dbus, dbus detection of state changes will be used,
while in other cases sleep-events will trigger the handler.
;;; sleep.el --- run hooks on device sleep and wake -*- lexical-binding:t -*-
;; Copyright (C) 2025 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
;; Author: Andrew Cohen <>
;; Maintainer: emacs-devel@HIDDEN
;; Keywords:
;; This file is part of GNU Emacs.
;; GNU Emacs is free software: you can redistribute it and/or modify
;; it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
;; the Free Software Foundation, either version 3 of the License, or
;; (at your option) any later version.
;; GNU Emacs is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
;; but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
;; MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the
;; GNU General Public License for more details.
;; You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
;; along with GNU Emacs. If not, see <https://www.gnu.org/licenses/>.
;;; Commentary:
;;; This global minor mode enables evaluating code when the device
;;; running Emacs enters or leaves the sleep state. The hooks
;;; `sleep-sleep-hook' and `sleep-wake-hook' are run when the system
;;; detects that it is going to sleep or waking up. Currently only a
;;; D-Bus interface to detect sleep state change is implemented.
;;; Code:
(require 'dbus)
(defgroup sleep nil
"Run hooks on device entering/leaving the sleep state."
:group 'hardware)
(defcustom sleep-handler-function 'handle-sleep-event
"Function called on device sleep state change.
The function takes a single boolean argument (t for sleep and nil for
wake). The default function just runs the sleep and wake hooks."
:group 'sleep
:type 'function)
(defcustom sleep-sleep-hook nil
"Hook to run on device entering sleep."
:group 'sleep
:type 'hook)
(defcustom sleep-wake-hook nil
"Hook to run on device leaving sleep."
:group 'sleep
:type 'hook)
(defvar sleep-dbus-registration-object nil
"Object returned from `dbus-register-signal'.
This is recorded so that the signal may be unregistered.")
(defun sleep-dbus-detection (mode)
"Enable D-Bus detection of device sleep/wake state change.
When enabled run `sleep-handler-function' when a state change is
detected. Disable detection if MODE is nil."
(if mode
(unless sleep-dbus-registration-object
(setq sleep-dbus-registration-object
(dbus-register-signal :system
"org.freedesktop.login1"
"/org/freedesktop/login1"
"org.freedesktop.login1.Manager"
"PrepareForSleep"
sleep-handler-function)))
(condition-case nil
(progn
(ignore-error (dbus-error wrong-type-argument)
(dbus-unregister-object
sleep-dbus-registration-object))
(setq sleep-dbus-registration-object nil))
(wrong-type-argument nil))))
(defun handle-sleep-event (sleep-wake)
"Handler to execute sleep and wake functions.
SLEEP-WAKE is t on sleeping and nil on waking."
(ignore-errors
(if sleep-wake
(run-hooks 'sleep-sleep-hook)
(run-hooks 'sleep-wake-hook))))
;;;###autoload
(define-minor-mode sleep-wake-mode
"Toggle sleep/wake detection.
With `sleep-wake-mode' enabled, the hooks `sleep-sleep-hook' and
`sleep-wake-hook' will be executed when the device enters or leaves the
sleep state. This is currently only available on systems that support
D-Bus detection of sleep state changes."
:global t
:group 'sleep
(cond
((and (featurep 'dbusbind)
(member "org.freedesktop.login1"
(dbus-list-activatable-names :system)))
(sleep-dbus-detection sleep-wake-mode))
(t
(if sleep-wake-mode
(define-key special-event-map [sleep-event] sleep-handler-function)
(define-key special-event-map [sleep-event] 'ignore)))))
(provide 'sleep)
;;; sleep.el ends here
--
Andrew Cohen
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#63620; Package emacs.
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>> Maybe a hook is not such a bad idea after all.
> But then how would platforms where these events come from the
> window-system call that hook?
I don't understand the question: why would those not be ale to run the
hook? If it's because it's in a separate UI thread, they can push to
`pending_funcalls`, or in the worst case they can add an event into the
event queue and then use `special-event-map` to run an ad-hoc function
which runs the hook.
Of course, we could similarly make the D-bus code manually do
(lookup-key special-event-map [sleep-event])
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>> According the the elisp manual special events "cannot be unread with
>> =E2=80=98unread-command-events=E2=80=99".
> Oh, right! So pushing to `unread-command-events` will only work if the
> binding is made in a normal map. That's not the end of the world, but
> it's not ideal. E.g. it doesn't really make sense to have the behavior
> depend on the mode of the current buffer, and it seems undesirable to
> fail to run the binding if you happened to type `C-x` just
> before sleeping.
Maybe a hook is not such a bad idea after all.
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> According the the elisp manual special events "cannot be unread with
> =E2=80=98unread-command-events=E2=80=99".
Oh, right! So pushing to `unread-command-events` will only work if the
binding is made in a normal map. That's not the end of the world, but
it's not ideal. E.g. it doesn't really make sense to have the behavior
depend on the mode of the current buffer, and it seems undesirable to
fail to run the binding if you happened to type `C-x` just
before sleeping.
Hmm...
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>>>>> "AC" =3D=3D Andrew Cohen <acohen@HIDDEN> writes:
[...]
AC> So how exactly do I add a new sleep-event to the C source? I
AC> tried copying how its done for dbus-event in keyboard.c and
AC> termhooks.h (I'm only trying to create such an event in lisp so
AC> I didn't worry about generating such an event in C). Is this
AC> right? And do I always have to install the handler in the global
AC> keymap (just to test this I tried pushing an existing dbus-event
AC> onto unread-command-events, and also get "dbus-event is
AC> undefined" unless I install a handler on the global keymap. So
AC> it seems that I do. I also notice that other special events,
AC> like delete-frame, have handlers installed in both the global
AC> keymap and the special-event-map).
And maybe answering my own questions:
According the the elisp manual special events "cannot be unread with
=E2=80=98unread-command-events=E2=80=99". Not sure exactly what this means =
(and I
haven't yet read the code to figure it out) but it certainly appears
that special events can't trigger a function bound in special-event-map
by pushing an event onto unread-command-events. But that's probably OK,
since we can /also/ bind the handler to the special event in the global
keymap, as is done for several of the existing special events
(delete-frame, make-frame-visible, iconify-frame). Then we can trigger
the event directly in C by generating the special event, or
synthetically in Lisp by pushing onto unread-command-events.=20
I'll assume that this is OK unless I hear otherwise and make changes to
the package accordingly.
Best,
Andy
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>>>>> "EZ" == Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
EZ> Thanks, and don't hesitate to ask questions where you have
EZ> difficulties. I'm sure you will find here quite a few people
EZ> willing to help.
OK, I have almost no idea what I am doing. I am trying to understand how
to use unread-command-events to make this work. I guess a new event
(sleep-event) will get added in the C code? Then backends other than
dbus will generate this event when a system sleeps or wakes, and we have
a handler installed like
(define-key special-event-map [sleep-event] 'handle-sleep-event)
with the function 'handle-sleep-event that runs the appropriate hooks.
For the dbus backend we install a dbus callback that injects the
sleep-event onto unread-command-events, which would then trigger the
'handle-sleep-event function.
So I thought I would play around a bit. I tried installing [sleep-event]
in the special-event map, but when I push the sleep-event onto
unread-command-events I get an error: "<sleep-event> is undefined".
After playing around I found that if I also install it in the global
keymap, it works (that is, pushing a sleep-event onto
unread-command-events then triggers the handler).
So how exactly do I add a new sleep-event to the C source? I tried
copying how its done for dbus-event in keyboard.c and termhooks.h (I'm
only trying to create such an event in lisp so I didn't worry about
generating such an event in C). Is this right? And do I always have to
install the handler in the global keymap (just to test this I tried
pushing an existing dbus-event onto unread-command-events, and also get
"dbus-event is undefined" unless I install a handler on the global
keymap. So it seems that I do. I also notice that other special events,
like delete-frame, have handlers installed in both the global keymap and
the special-event-map).
Sorry for the very naive questions. Assuming that my understanding is
correct I think I can make the necessary modifications to the lisp
package. Then the C code to generate the sleep-event on other systems
can be added.
Best,
Andy
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Subject: Re: bug#63620: 30.0.50; [Feature Request] run hooks on sleep/wake
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> What I had in mind is basically to have the D-Bus handler push a
> special event onto unread-command-events, and then that event could be
> bound to a command.
> Michael and Stefan, does it make sense to work like that with D-Bus?
It would likely be bound in `special-event-map`, yes, that makes sense.
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On Tue, Feb 4, 2025 at 10:42=E2=80=AFAM Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@gm= x.de> wrote: > Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN> writes: > > > This would be kbd_buffer_store_event? > > On Lisp level, adding the event to unread-command-events, as Eli > said. See a similar handling in dbus-call-method. > > > What I had in mind is basically to have the D-Bus handler push a > > special event onto unread-command-events, and then that event > > could be > > bound to a command. > > Best regards, Michael. > --00000000000077104f062d5301c3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospac= e">For macOS, we'll have to do this via objective-c so would be the low= er-level function that would post the event.</div></div><br><div class=3D"g= mail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On = Tue, Feb 4, 2025 at 10:42=E2=80=AFAM Michael Albinus <<a href=3D"mailto:= michael.albinus@HIDDEN">michael.albinus@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:<br></div><blo= ckquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left= :1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Ship Mints <<a href=3D"mai= lto:shipmints@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">shipmints@HIDDEN</a>> writ= es:<br> <br> > This would be kbd_buffer_store_event?<br> <br> On Lisp level, adding the event to unread-command-events, as Eli<br> said. See a similar handling in dbus-call-method.<br> <br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0What I had in mind is basically to have the D-Bus h= andler push a<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0special event onto unread-command-events, and then = that event<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0could be<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0bound to a command.<br> <br> Best regards, Michael.<br> </blockquote></div> --00000000000077104f062d5301c3--
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b=A4k4EjDD7w5VZt35aYshaUbBTPVLPwGKZ/B7iYFDFnImV26OLOdRI+P3EsjNel5U Z/cm22PKo3M1ZqO3eNjKRfSsuq1eQ5v2qpA8WiyVB1vsTjoH56RE3q0hDbq6w7QxQ CMpkwhFsozct+ie0UltzFoRYgM+sFIpI/rp3JNXO4LjVwkT3mgHZyAuqG+UP3dqfi 5u8tPo2Xzvt+dDsJD3j46LXowATO5JV/Smej+SJmj7WOWXx1CXN7dOln/CqsWha6b z7QG8zkIXlVvJAmquKXcfaJpWV8tv8JBaOUkY9yiXezYAUdAEJlyVU8wsnH0vi9J3 HtuNzr4QXFeVWpE9Og== X-UI-Sender-Class: 724b4f7f-cbec-4199-ad4e-598c01a50d3a Received: from gandalf.gmx.de ([185.89.38.155]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx005 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MOiDd-1u4Q1U4263-00UCxm; Tue, 04 Feb 2025 16:42:20 +0100 From: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@HIDDEN> To: Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#63620: 30.0.50; [Feature Request] run hooks on sleep/wake In-Reply-To: <CAN+1Hbqt-d-1AzoeMjDNuMv-7pTorPSO5296fZx3UKpx7PNaGg@HIDDEN> (Ship Mints's message of "Tue, 4 Feb 2025 10:35:03 -0500") References: <87fs7qmw00.fsf@HIDDEN> <87lehinlvg.fsf@HIDDEN> <87y1ky83du.fsf@HIDDEN> <87legr1tn5.fsf@HIDDEN> <878qqmz99g.fsf@HIDDEN> <8634gtc0k7.fsf@HIDDEN> <87seot3k42.fsf@HIDDEN> <87pljxwyi2.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1HbpuZAs7BMNZx74WX2EhaAi7gKC5C5ZViaa9faUwjQ39Sg@HIDDEN> <86msf1afro.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1Hbqt-d-1AzoeMjDNuMv-7pTorPSO5296fZx3UKpx7PNaGg@HIDDEN> Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2025 16:42:19 +0100 Message-ID: <87cyfxwwbo.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:QY5A2jAh8+X7vtmmMKi0gPjNXxMgZ41/x1uediQJAEDZlFeohu2 uUu+h+No2b6Oy936nzL5DvfdzYW5t1noQPaSB0HSCpXZzls4kmHgbRf43vUatW5+ZjXgqre C5QLARhyX2bXQk/oaCr69H5tJIgJnKVod2YIX6s00jaipj2sh8TwAGS+z2e0l3OnKHr/6Sx Em3UYgPs0ICMY6/f90aDg== X-Spam-Flag: NO UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:ELx8e9ZuYeI=;WJb8mLztwYF/TvYUrx6peFvQNgU 9q3+eyLh9kNLLgbSw1EtUOrTZPNSJvX13Y1RaxXV3Uo8JKR382SQA7MKOAJ0iap4EZ9DOtu5L Hy5sq3u58LyCExSs0gHrpdPhiv3Caw37QD/0wvf0EEYYY2ye1CmPgM9lY52PZt2KRswcTRfob zYEYP8DoUHgsBwLTinhYzi0iCb7OsAoiGNMM9dapD0E+gpC1OeMl4B5QT9iSMPyt397zCzvSy 48gjC+d7XR6HM1wL9+45jI7nxdpEgrk3sQhsOrpU347QWjI5gvhp24rSo2FR4pLMORL60vBnj AdYCanzHoL0WrIlAc7kRxAAY4iDaJrwrjd04fI377lmUx6xs+xx5h0Nw7T6dXMhNnNTzwPK5A PqX1Wtn6vqbIT2Zf3RnymDatn4klHZVsjrNFOu2gxzNvsHIyDMkDAuQrqRRlqc84R+wfDsWOE 6HWZol5bhQ5bOKg1WhNrk0dRQxQJC8CW7kXN0VywQOyShhBddkn1fMSutAmonZuv3KWT1HjOx K+JyJ5dSvX5V49SWn8/Mpp6TEvFzg0YfO+5YRbjOPhhv0cicL/egbcDJ8wrhymfNWRqQRpTlM bSsVSiPSf3w55dB5+u6Y5J8JJMElCctUyznczyzUyCgtV5IVGPU9pUvn8+/lBKyS5QZA6oVnI T1OtmjNi7ZZp35HiV2eycD+2a6NZ6B+UyKQ0slyHcgYEpzpPb6jkiJ/AL1gis5cLjqX6VAJwU UO+W0K/tNp+wAY4fSUAX3O8CUWMTj5bAT9SWCBvJ6Eh2G6qB1yu9okJPG7+J0MqxCuxtY8zBT 9n3Zl9+8QP7hIxDOyGjIR8WSKrnNSIqxhLoXVKq/cswBKMsXd4fi/qVQe2nKOnd86EcG0sAWi axy3D5rqmxZG7YF397zj4TW35UdtXG7OynylmiUB9YNbgpFRFaM8I/+IDszk8n16VJga7Zmgs VmcaatLWCxgVQqUpJ4XhJlMQu0xTuB/Vxjh/PjFu0vBgRcK1kxqgMwqKisjOiuKfkDGh4J/eF bKSG/sZqWn+3o/9QeX5oJfeO5oiWPBSpIVzMpNd36Lqc579RF7T2glGB3NGJOfSMWB/Fxcw+Y TietdejgbCT7lcXzK7gT2zGcVaNt8g6boOy3piO3vaY4fMj6rTkkhwA7KYwVaWofJkNjE5RBE q9S2llHCEPNVVNUX9njNUqvh7IjdSAOUio5NWMe1naN5y58EfEIegEG+pFTZDCBNLFDyxq7FI 2GBm3IO2an0nFbQXEavp63o2wjkNf+KOuwW6HD7jkWiSwvfZdVynnxw9pcfr3uYRtNFGVbrIF XPb9CBysTr7Lg+FRbEaiWueKOfymfaQ5i9QPsyZ1oA94wc= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 63620 Cc: acohen@HIDDEN, 63620 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, monnier@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN> writes: > This would be kbd_buffer_store_event? On Lisp level, adding the event to unread-command-events, as Eli said. See a similar handling in dbus-call-method. > What I had in mind is basically to have the D-Bus handler push a > special event onto unread-command-events, and then that event > could be > bound to a command. Best regards, Michael.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#63620; Package emacs.
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On macOS, it's basically "will sleep" and >> "did wake" events, and I don't think there's a hibernate event. > > What I had in mind is basically to have the D-Bus handler push a > special event onto unread-command-events, and then that event could be > bound to a command. > > Michael and Stefan, does it make sense to work like that with D-Bus? Sure, no problem for D-Bus. This could be done in sleep-handler, instead of running sleep-sleep-hook and sleep-wake-hook. The event should have a boolean argument, for on/off (or sleep/wake, however we name it). Best regards, Michael.
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On Tue, Feb 4, 2025 at 10:31=E2=80=AFAM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote: > > From: Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN> > > Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2025 10:21:05 -0500 > > Cc: Andrew Cohen <acohen@HIDDEN>, 63620 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii = < > eliz@HIDDEN>, > > Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> > > > > Once an API is agreed in principle, I'd be willing to take a stab at an > NS implementation for sleep/wake > > events to exercise the API, and so we'd have both dbus and NS. On macOS= , > it's basically "will sleep" and > > "did wake" events, and I don't think there's a hibernate event. > > What I had in mind is basically to have the D-Bus handler push a > special event onto unread-command-events, and then that event could be > bound to a command. > > Michael and Stefan, does it make sense to work like that with D-Bus? > --000000000000ccdd15062d52c701 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospac= e">This would be kbd_buffer_store_event?</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail= _quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue,= Feb 4, 2025 at 10:31=E2=80=AFAM Eli Zaretskii <<a href=3D"mailto:eliz@g= nu.org">eliz@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo= te" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204= );padding-left:1ex">> From: Ship Mints <<a href=3D"mailto:shipmints@g= mail.com" target=3D"_blank">shipmints@HIDDEN</a>><br> > Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2025 10:21:05 -0500<br> > Cc: Andrew Cohen <<a href=3D"mailto:acohen@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank= ">acohen@HIDDEN</a>>, <a href=3D"mailto:63620 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" target=3D= "_blank">63620 <at> debbugs.gnu.org</a>, Eli Zaretskii <<a href=3D"mailto:eli= z@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">eliz@HIDDEN</a>>, <br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Stefan Monnier <<a href=3D"mailto:monnier= @iro.umontreal.ca" target=3D"_blank">monnier@HIDDEN</a>><br> > <br> > Once an API is agreed in principle, I'd be willing to take a stab = at an NS implementation for sleep/wake<br> > events to exercise the API, and so we'd have both dbus and NS. On = macOS, it's basically "will sleep" and<br> > "did wake" events, and I don't think there's a hiber= nate event.<br> <br> What I had in mind is basically to have the D-Bus handler push a<br> special event onto unread-command-events, and then that event could be<br> bound to a command.<br> <br> Michael and Stefan, does it make sense to work like that with D-Bus?<br> </blockquote></div> --000000000000ccdd15062d52c701--
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On macOS, it's basically "will sleep" and "did wake" events, and I don't think there's a hibernate event. On Tue, Feb 4, 2025 at 9:56=E2=80=AFAM Michael Albinus via Bug reports for = GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN> wrote: > Andrew Cohen <acohen@HIDDEN> writes: > > Hi, > > > >> I have not had much time for Emacs outside of my regular > > >> activities, but I made the changes you suggested and have been > > >> using the package for the past year. Unless I hear objections, > > >> I'll push the package to master sometime soon. > > > > EZ> Thanks, but could we perhaps implement this in a way that is > > EZ> less modeled on D-Bus, thus allowing different back-ends on > > EZ> other systems? For example, could we have the D-Bus backend > > EZ> inject an input event, which could then be bound to a command, > > EZ> instead of directly calling the hooks from a D-Bus event > > EZ> handler? That would allow adding other backend, which will > > EZ> generate the same input event "by other means". > > > > EZ> Stefan and Michael, I'd appreciate your comments, both on the > > EZ> patch and on my proposal. Maybe you will have other, better > > EZ> design ideas. (FWIW, I've read Michael's original comments in > > EZ> this bug report as saying things similar to what I say above. > > EZ> But either I misunderstood or the patch as posted doesn't do > > EZ> what Michael suggested back then.) > > > > > > Thanks, I'm happy to make changes. I think I understand what you are > > suggesting (and what Michael suggested earlier) and it is certainly > > desirable to make this more independent of D-Bus. My programming skills > > are extremely rudimentary so it might take some time (or I might fail > > altogether). > > Yes, I still believe my proposal stands. OTOH, nobody else has taken the > stab over the last months, so I don't know whether such changes will > happen. > > FTR, the majority of my comments on the code are integrated. What's left > could be done later. What I'm missing is the documentation in the Elisp > manual, if we integrate it into Emacs core. > > > Best, > > Andy > > Best regards Michael. > > > > --000000000000c81d51062d5295eb Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospac= e">Once an API is agreed in principle, I'd be willing to take a stab at= an NS implementation for sleep/wake events to exercise the API, and so we&= #39;d have both dbus and NS. On macOS, it's basically "will sleep&= quot; and "did wake" events, and I don't think there's a = hibernate event.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_conta= iner"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 4, 2025 at 9:56=E2= =80=AFAM Michael Albinus via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knif= e of text editors <<a href=3D"mailto:bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN">bug-gnu-emac= s@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style= =3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding= -left:1ex">Andrew Cohen <<a href=3D"mailto:acohen@HIDDEN" target=3D"_bla= nk">acohen@HIDDEN</a>> writes:<br> <br> Hi,<br> <br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>> I have not had much time for Emacs outside= of my regular<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>> activities, but I made the changes you sug= gested and have been<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>> using the package for the past year. Unles= s I hear objections,<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>> I'll push the package to master someti= me soon.<br> ><br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0EZ> Thanks, but could we perhaps implement this = in a way that is<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0EZ> less modeled on D-Bus, thus allowing differe= nt back-ends on<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0EZ> other systems?=C2=A0 For example, could we h= ave the D-Bus backend<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0EZ> inject an input event, which could then be b= ound to a command,<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0EZ> instead of directly calling the hooks from a= D-Bus event<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0EZ> handler?=C2=A0 That would allow adding other= backend, which will<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0EZ> generate the same input event "by other= means".<br> ><br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0EZ> Stefan and Michael, I'd appreciate your = comments, both on the<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0EZ> patch and on my proposal.=C2=A0 Maybe you wi= ll have other, better<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0EZ> design ideas.=C2=A0 (FWIW, I've read Mic= hael's original comments in<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0EZ> this bug report as saying things similar to = what I say above.<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0EZ> But either I misunderstood or the patch as p= osted doesn't do<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0EZ> what Michael suggested back then.)<br> ><br> ><br> > Thanks, I'm happy to make changes. I think I understand what you a= re<br> > suggesting (and what Michael suggested earlier) and it is certainly<br= > > desirable to make this more independent of D-Bus. My programming skill= s<br> > are extremely rudimentary so it might take some time (or I might fail<= br> > altogether).<br> <br> Yes, I still believe my proposal stands. OTOH, nobody else has taken the<br= > stab over the last months, so I don't know whether such changes will<br= > happen.<br> <br> FTR, the majority of my comments on the code are integrated. What's lef= t<br> could be done later. What I'm missing is the documentation in the Elisp= <br> manual, if we integrate it into Emacs core.<br> <br> > Best,<br> > Andy<br> <br> Best regards Michael.<br> <br> <br> <br> </blockquote></div> --000000000000c81d51062d5295eb--
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Unless I hear objections, > >> I'll push the package to master sometime soon. > > EZ> Thanks, but could we perhaps implement this in a way that is > EZ> less modeled on D-Bus, thus allowing different back-ends on > EZ> other systems? For example, could we have the D-Bus backend > EZ> inject an input event, which could then be bound to a command, > EZ> instead of directly calling the hooks from a D-Bus event > EZ> handler? That would allow adding other backend, which will > EZ> generate the same input event "by other means". > > EZ> Stefan and Michael, I'd appreciate your comments, both on the > EZ> patch and on my proposal. Maybe you will have other, better > EZ> design ideas. (FWIW, I've read Michael's original comments in > EZ> this bug report as saying things similar to what I say above. > EZ> But either I misunderstood or the patch as posted doesn't do > EZ> what Michael suggested back then.) > > > Thanks, I'm happy to make changes. I think I understand what you are > suggesting (and what Michael suggested earlier) and it is certainly > desirable to make this more independent of D-Bus. My programming skills > are extremely rudimentary so it might take some time (or I might fail > altogether). Yes, I still believe my proposal stands. OTOH, nobody else has taken the stab over the last months, so I don't know whether such changes will happen. FTR, the majority of my comments on the code are integrated. What's left could be done later. What I'm missing is the documentation in the Elisp manual, if we integrate it into Emacs core. > Best, > Andy Best regards Michael.
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>>>>> "EZ" == Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
>> Cc: 63620 <at> debbugs.gnu.org From: Andrew Cohen <acohen@HIDDEN>
>> Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2025 11:19:55 +0800
>>
>> I have not had much time for Emacs outside of my regular
>> activities, but I made the changes you suggested and have been
>> using the package for the past year. Unless I hear objections,
>> I'll push the package to master sometime soon.
EZ> Thanks, but could we perhaps implement this in a way that is
EZ> less modeled on D-Bus, thus allowing different back-ends on
EZ> other systems? For example, could we have the D-Bus backend
EZ> inject an input event, which could then be bound to a command,
EZ> instead of directly calling the hooks from a D-Bus event
EZ> handler? That would allow adding other backend, which will
EZ> generate the same input event "by other means".
EZ> Stefan and Michael, I'd appreciate your comments, both on the
EZ> patch and on my proposal. Maybe you will have other, better
EZ> design ideas. (FWIW, I've read Michael's original comments in
EZ> this bug report as saying things similar to what I say above.
EZ> But either I misunderstood or the patch as posted doesn't do
EZ> what Michael suggested back then.)
Thanks, I'm happy to make changes. I think I understand what you are
suggesting (and what Michael suggested earlier) and it is certainly
desirable to make this more independent of D-Bus. My programming skills
are extremely rudimentary so it might take some time (or I might fail
altogether).
Best,
Andy
--
Andrew Cohen
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#63620; Package emacs.
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Unless I hear objections, I'll push the package to master sometime soon. Best, Andy ea288bd05e7d11740f5d580771ed7ca5ad496b15 Author: Andrew G Cohen <cohen@HIDDEN> AuthorDate: Thu Mar 21 11:06:36 2024 +0800 Commit: Andrew G Cohen <cohen@HIDDEN> CommitDate: Tue Feb 4 11:14:26 2025 +0800 Parent: c54d8d4cbe0 New functions to suspend and resume gnus demon Merged: master Contained: feature/igc Follows: emacs-29.1.90 (176369) New sleep-wake-mode to run hooks on sleep state change * lisp/sleep.el: New global minor mode. When enabled, the hooks sleep-wake-hook and sleep-sleep-hook are run on the corresponding sleep state change. 2 files changed, 112 insertions(+) etc/NEWS | 6 ++++ lisp/sleep.el | 106 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ modified etc/NEWS @@ -1015,6 +1015,12 @@ destination window is chosen using 'display-buffer-alist'. Example: * New Modes and Packages in Emacs 31.1 +** New global minor mode 'sleep-wake'. +With this minor mode enabled, the hooks 'sleep-sleep-hook' and +'sleep-wake-hook' are run when the device running Emacs enters or leaves +the sleep state. Currently only D-Bus detection of device sleep state +changes is available. + * Incompatible Lisp Changes in Emacs 31.1 new file lisp/sleep.el @@ -0,0 +1,106 @@ +;;; sleep.el --- run hooks on device sleep and wake -*- lexical-binding:t -*- + +;; Copyright (C) 2025 Free Software Foundation, Inc. + +;; Author: Andrew Cohen <> +;; Maintainer: emacs-devel@HIDDEN +;; Keywords: + +;; This file is part of GNU Emacs. + +;; GNU Emacs is free software: you can redistribute it and/or modify +;; it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by +;; the Free Software Foundation, either version 3 of the License, or +;; (at your option) any later version. + +;; GNU Emacs is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, +;; but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of +;; MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the +;; GNU General Public License for more details. + +;; You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License +;; along with GNU Emacs. If not, see <https://www.gnu.org/licenses/>. + +;;; Commentary: + +;;; This global minor mode enables evaluating code when the device +;;; running Emacs enters or leaves the sleep state. The hooks +;;; `sleep-sleep-hook' and `sleep-wake-hook' are run when the system +;;; detects that it is going to sleep or waking up. Currently only a +;;; D-Bus interface to detect sleep state change is implemented. + +;;; Code: + +(require 'dbus) + +(defgroup sleep nil + "Run hooks on device entering/leaving the sleep state." + :group 'hardware) + +(defcustom sleep-sleep-hook nil + "Hook to run on device entering sleep." + :group 'sleep + :type 'hook) + +(defcustom sleep-wake-hook nil + "Hook to run on device leaving sleep." + :group 'sleep + :type 'hook) + +(defvar sleep-registration-object nil + "Object returned from `dbus-register-signal'. +This is recorded so that the signal may be unregistered.") + + +(defun sleep-dbus-enable () + "Enable D-Bus detection of device sleep/wake state change. +Run `sleep-sleep-hook' and `sleep-wake-hook' as appropriate." + (unless sleep-registration-object + (setq sleep-registration-object + (dbus-register-signal :system + "org.freedesktop.login1" + "/org/freedesktop/login1" + "org.freedesktop.login1.Manager" + "PrepareForSleep" + #'sleep-handler)))) + +(defun sleep-dbus-disable () + "Disable D-Bus detection of device sleep/wake state change." + (condition-case nil + (progn + (ignore-error (dbus-error wrong-type-argument) + (dbus-unregister-object + sleep-registration-object)) + (setq sleep-registration-object nil)) + (wrong-type-argument nil))) + +(defun sleep-handler (sleep-wake) + "Handler to execute sleep and wake functions. +SLEEP-WAKE is t on sleeping and nil on waking." + (ignore-errors + (if sleep-wake + (run-hooks 'sleep-sleep-hook) + (run-hooks 'sleep-wake-hook)))) + +;;;###autoload +(define-minor-mode sleep-wake-mode + "Toggle sleep/wake detection. + +With `sleep-wake-mode' enabled, the hooks `sleep-sleep-hook' and +`sleep-wake-hook' will be executed when the device enters or leaves the +sleep state. This is currently only available on systems that support +D-Bus detection of sleep state changes." + :global t + :group 'sleep + (cond + ((and (featurep 'dbusbind) + (member "org.freedesktop.login1" + (dbus-list-activatable-names :system))) + (if sleep-wake-mode + (sleep-dbus-enable) + (sleep-dbus-disable))) + (t + (message "No sleep/wake detection method found.")))) + +(provide 'sleep) +;;; sleep.el ends here -- Andrew Cohen
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Andrew Cohen <acohen@HIDDEN> writes:
> Dear Michael
Hi Andrew,
sorry for the delayed answer, I've been busy ...
> I've now put everything together and modified the gnus code to use the
> new sleep.el. But I remain unsure if I should remove gnus-dbus.el
> entirely (everything remains the same for the user: setting
> gnus-dbus-close-on-sleep to a non-nil value will enable the feature
> using the global minor mode rather than gnus-dbus). And is sleep.el
> something worth adding?
It depends whether sleep.el will be added to vanilla Emacs, or as GNU
ELPA package. It's not my decision, but I lobby for the former.
In this case, it could be used in gnus-dbus.el.
Just some few comments on the code
> ;;; sleep.el --- run hooks on sleep and wake -*- lexical-binding:t -*-
I would be more precise. You don't mean sleeping Emacs or another
application, but you mean sleeping the machine on OS level. Say it so.
> ;;; This global minor mode enables evaluating code when the device
> ;;; running Emacs enters or leaves the sleep state. Two hooks are
> ;;; used, sleep-sleep-hook and sleep-wake-hook, run when the system
> ;;; detects that it is going to sleep or waking up. Currently only a
> ;;; dbus interface to detect sleep state change is implemented.
Please quote Lisp objects like `sleep-sleep-hook'. D-Bus is spelled out
in commentaries as D-Bus.
> (defgroup sleep nil
> "Run hooks on entering/leaving the sleep state."
> :group 'hardware)
>
> (defcustom sleep-sleep-hook nil
> "Hook to run on entering sleep."
> :group 'sleep
> :type 'hook)
>
> (defcustom sleep-wake-hook nil
> "Hook to run on leaving sleep."
> :group 'sleep
> :type 'hook)
These are the user visible objects. Please be precise what is going to
sleep. The machine or device.
> Run sleep-sleep-hook and sleep-wake-hook as appropriate."
Please quote sleep-sleep-hook.
> (unless sleep-registration-object
> (setq sleep-registration-object
> (dbus-register-signal :system
> "org.freedesktop.login1"
> "/org/freedesktop/login1"
> "org.freedesktop.login1.Manager"
> "PrepareForSleep"
> #'sleep-handler))))
I would also protect against D-Bus errors. Like
(ignore-error dbus-error
(unless sleep-registration-object
(setq sleep-registration-object
(dbus-register-signal
:system "org.freedesktop.login1"
"/org/freedesktop/login1" "org.freedesktop.login1.Manager"
"PrepareForSleep" #'sleep-handler))))
> (condition-case nil
> (progn
> (dbus-unregister-object
> sleep-registration-object)
> (setq sleep-registration-object nil))
> (wrong-type-argument nil)))
Aka
(ignore-error (dbus-error wrong-type-argument)
(dbus-unregister-object
sleep-registration-object)
(setq sleep-registration-object nil))
> When sleep-wake-mode is enabled, Emacs will execute the hooks
Please quote sleep-wake-mode.
> support dbus detection of sleep state change."
D-Bus is spelled out ...
Furthermore, it would be nice if you add
- documentation in lispref node "(elisp) System Interface". I'm not sure
whether it is good for a new subnode, or whether it shall be
documented in "(elisp) System Environment". This documentation should
also give a practical example for functions in sleep-sleep-hook and
sleep-wake-hook.
- adding the functionality to etc/NEWS
- if possible, adding tests in test/lisp/sleep-tests.el
Best regards, Michael.
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Dear Michael
>>>>> "MA" == Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@HIDDEN> writes:
[...]
MA> Using D-Bus is just an implementation detail. What you want are
MA> handlers, which are invoked when your laptop falls asleep or
MA> awakes.
Yes, of course you are right!
MA> A general package could implement it using D-Bus if available,
MA> or using something else if there's no D-Bus. See battery.el,
MA> which uses the D-Bus service "org.freedesktop.UPower" only if
MA> possible. Your package might be called sleep.el or alike.
I am not familiar with other methods for detecting sleep/wake, so I just
have dbus at the moment. But if anyone knows of something else
(especially on windows) it can then be added.
[...]
MA> I would make it rather a global minor mode, that you can
MA> enable/disable it easily.
Yes, that is a better idea.
[...]
MA> Perhaps, you check also for the service
MA> "org.freedesktop.login1", like
MA> (member "org.freedesktop.login1" (dbus-list-activatable-names
MA> :system))
OK, added.
I've now put everything together and modified the gnus code to use the
new sleep.el. But I remain unsure if I should remove gnus-dbus.el
entirely (everything remains the same for the user: setting
gnus-dbus-close-on-sleep to a non-nil value will enable the feature
using the global minor mode rather than gnus-dbus). And is sleep.el
something worth adding?
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;;; sleep.el --- run hooks on sleep and wake -*- lexical-binding:t -*-
;; Copyright (C) 2023 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
;; Author: Andrew Cohen <>
;; Maintainer: emacs-devel@HIDDEN
;; Keywords:
;; This file is part of GNU Emacs.
;; GNU Emacs is free software: you can redistribute it and/or modify
;; it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
;; the Free Software Foundation, either version 3 of the License, or
;; (at your option) any later version.
;; GNU Emacs is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
;; but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
;; MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the
;; GNU General Public License for more details.
;; You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
;; along with GNU Emacs. If not, see <https://www.gnu.org/licenses/>.
;;; Commentary:
;;; This global minor mode enables evaluating code when the device
;;; running Emacs enters or leaves the sleep state. Two hooks are
;;; used, sleep-sleep-hook and sleep-wake-hook, run when the system
;;; detects that it is going to sleep or waking up. Currently only a
;;; dbus interface to detect sleep state change is implemented.
;;; Code:
(require 'dbus)
(defgroup sleep nil
"Run hooks on entering/leaving the sleep state."
:group 'hardware)
(defcustom sleep-sleep-hook nil
"Hook to run on entering sleep."
:group 'sleep
:type 'hook)
(defcustom sleep-wake-hook nil
"Hook to run on leaving sleep."
:group 'sleep
:type 'hook)
(defvar sleep-registration-object nil
"Object returned from `dbus-register-signal'.
This is used to unregister the signal.")
(defun sleep-wake-enable ()
"Enable detection of sleep/wake state change.
Run sleep-sleep-hook and sleep-wake-hook as appropriate."
(unless sleep-registration-object
(setq sleep-registration-object
(dbus-register-signal :system
"org.freedesktop.login1"
"/org/freedesktop/login1"
"org.freedesktop.login1.Manager"
"PrepareForSleep"
#'sleep-handler))))
(defun sleep-wake-disable ()
"Disable detection of sleep/wake state change."
(condition-case nil
(progn
(dbus-unregister-object
sleep-registration-object)
(setq sleep-registration-object nil))
(wrong-type-argument nil)))
(defun sleep-handler (sleep-wake)
"Handler to execute sleep and wake functions.
SLEEP-WAKE is t on sleeping and nil on waking."
(ignore-errors
(if sleep-wake
(run-hooks 'sleep-sleep-hook)
(run-hooks 'sleep-wake-hook))))
;;;###autoload
(define-minor-mode sleep-wake-mode
"Toggle sleep/wake detection.
When sleep-wake-mode is enabled, Emacs will execute the hooks
`sleep-sleep-hook' and `sleep-wake-hook' when entering or leaving
the sleep state. This is currently only available on systems that
support dbus detection of sleep state change."
:global t
:group 'sleep
(when (and (featurep 'dbusbind)
(member "org.freedesktop.login1"
(dbus-list-activatable-names :system)))
(if sleep-wake-mode
(sleep-wake-enable)
(sleep-wake-disable))))
(provide 'sleep)
;;; sleep.el ends here
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Add a small package dbus-sleep.el. I would also remove gnus-dbus.el > but leave the variable 'gnus-dbus-close-on-sleep and use it to control > the installation of appropriate gnus functions to the new hooks. > > 3. Add the new code to the existing dbus.el. I would also remove > gnus-dbus.el but leave the variable 'gnus-dbus-close-on-sleep and use it > to control the installation of appropriate functions to the new hooks. > > I mostly favor adding it to dbus.el. The argument against: dbus.el is > focused on providing language bindings for the D-Bus API rather than a > user-feature. The removal of gnus-dbus.el shouldn't cause any problem > since I would maintain the same functionality enabled by the same > variable, so no user-visible change. Using D-Bus is just an implementation detail. What you want are handlers, which are invoked when your laptop falls asleep or awakes. A general package could implement it using D-Bus if available, or using something else if there's no D-Bus. See battery.el, which uses the D-Bus service "org.freedesktop.UPower" only if possible. Your package might be called sleep.el or alike. Your code uses the D-Bus service "org.freedesktop.login1", which isn't part of the basic D-Bus spec. So it isn't suited for dbus.el anyway. > ;;;###autoload > (defun dbus-sleep-enable () > "Use `dbus-register-signal' to close servers on sleep." > (interactive) I would make it rather a global minor mode, that you can enable/disable it easily. > ;; Don't enable if it's already enabled. > (when (and (featurep 'dbusbind) (not dbus-sleep-registration-object)) Perhaps, you check also for the service "org.freedesktop.login1", like --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- (member "org.freedesktop.login1" (dbus-list-activatable-names :system)) --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- This check might return nil for several reasons, like the system bus is not running, or you don't have permissions to speak to the system bus, or the service simply doesn't exist. Best regards, Michael.
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Subject: 30.0.50; [Feature Request] run hooks on sleep/wake
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I am playing around with various network things (mostly vpn related) and
need Emacs to take certain actions when my laptop sleeps and wakes. This
is easy to do using the existing dbus support (the relevant code is
below, which runs hooks on sleeping and waking) The question is whether
this is useful enough to add to Emacs, and if so the best place to put
it.
Not too long ago, Eric Abrahamsen added gnus-dbus.el which is similar,
although for a single purpose: to close gnus server network connections
on sleep. This has a single entry point for the user: set
'gnus-dbus-close-on-sleep to t to enable the feature.
Options:
1. Do nothing (this isn't useful enough to change anything, and I can just
keep using my own code).
2. Add a small package dbus-sleep.el. I would also remove gnus-dbus.el
but leave the variable 'gnus-dbus-close-on-sleep and use it to control
the installation of appropriate gnus functions to the new hooks.
3. 2. Add the new code to the existing dbus.el. I would also remove
gnus-dbus.el but leave the variable 'gnus-dbus-close-on-sleep and use it
to control the installation of appropriate functions to the new hooks.
I mostly favor adding it to dbus.el. The argument against: dbus.el is
focused on providing language bindings for the D-Bus API rather than a
user-feature. The removal of gnus-dbus.el shouldn't cause any problem
since I would maintain the same functionality enabled by the same
variable, so no user-visible change.
Advice?
;;; Code:
(require 'dbus)
(defcustom dbus-sleep-sleep-hook nil
"Hook to run on sleep."
:group 'dbus-sleep
:type 'hook)
(defcustom dbus-sleep-wake-hook nil
"Hook to run on wake."
:group 'dbus-sleep
:type 'hook)
(defvar dbus-sleep-registration-object nil
"Object returned from `dbus-register-signal'.
This is used to unregister the signal.")
;;;###autoload
(defun dbus-sleep-enable ()
"Use `dbus-register-signal' to close servers on sleep."
(interactive)
;; Don't enable if it's already enabled.
(when (and (featurep 'dbusbind) (not dbus-sleep-registration-object))
(setq dbus-sleep-registration-object
(dbus-register-signal :system
"org.freedesktop.login1"
"/org/freedesktop/login1"
"org.freedesktop.login1.Manager"
"PrepareForSleep"
#'dbus-sleep-handler))))
(defun dbus-sleep-disable ()
"Unregister sleep signal."
(interactive)
(condition-case nil
(dbus-unregister-object
dbus-sleep-registration-object)
(setq dbus-sleep-registration-object nil)
(wrong-type-argument nil)))
(defun dbus-sleep-handler (sleep-wake)
"Handler to execute sleep and wake functions.
SLEEP-WAKE is t on sleeping and nil on waking."
(ignore-errors
(if sleep-wake
(run-hooks 'dbus-sleep-sleep-hook)
(run-hooks 'dbus-sleep-wake-hook))))
--
Andrew Cohen
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Full text available.bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#63620; Package emacs.
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