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Hi,

Ideally join should be able to handle files sorted in any order
that sort provides, but as a bare minimum it should at least
be able to join files sorted on numeric fields.

The attached simple patch provides -n, --numeric-sort
options to this effect.

-- 
Alex

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On 07/06/10 06:19, Alex Shinn wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Ideally join should be able to handle files sorted in any order
> that sort provides, but as a bare minimum it should at least
> be able to join files sorted on numeric fields.

Well if there were no aliases in the numbers, you could always
sort the output numerically after the join if it was important.
However if you wanted to join "01" and "1" then your patch is required.
Are numeric aliases common enough to warrant this? I think so.

> The attached simple patch provides -n, --numeric-sort
> options to this effect.

I'd use -g, --general-numeric to correspond with `sort`.

cheers,
Pįdraig.




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2010/6/8 P=E1draig Brady <P@HIDDEN>:
> On 07/06/10 06:19, Alex Shinn wrote:
>>
>> Ideally join should be able to handle files sorted in any order
>> that sort provides, but as a bare minimum it should at least
>> be able to join files sorted on numeric fields.
>
> Well if there were no aliases in the numbers, you could always
> sort the output numerically after the join if it was important.

By first sorting lexicographically, you mean?
In the use case I had, the data was already sorted
numerically.  So whenever I want to join two files,
currently I have to do:

  sort file1 > file1.tmp
  sort file2 > file2.tmp
  join file1.tmp file2.tmp | sort -n > out
  rm -f file1.tmp file2.tmp

instead of just

  join -n file1 file2 > out

In the small tools philosophy you want to avoid adding
redundancy, but in this case join isn't doing the same
thing as sort, it's just working with it better.  Not to mention
the fact that sort is an expensive operation to have to
perform multiple times, not just an extra O(n) filter
to throw in the middle of a pipeline.

> However if you wanted to join "01" and "1" then your patch is required.
> Are numeric aliases common enough to warrant this? I think so.

Leading zeros may not be so common, but don't forget
"1.0" and "1" or "1e2" and "100" and "100.0", etc.

> I'd use -g, --general-numeric to correspond with `sort`.

Yes, that's probably better.

--=20
Alex




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Alex Shinn wrote:

> 2010/6/8 P=C3=A1draig Brady <P@HIDDEN>:
>> On 07/06/10 06:19, Alex Shinn wrote:
>>>
>>> Ideally join should be able to handle files sorted in any order
>>> that sort provides, but as a bare minimum it should at least
>>> be able to join files sorted on numeric fields.
>>
>> Well if there were no aliases in the numbers, you could always
>> sort the output numerically after the join if it was important.
>
> By first sorting lexicographically, you mean?
> In the use case I had, the data was already sorted
> numerically.  So whenever I want to join two files,
> currently I have to do:
>
>   sort file1 > file1.tmp
>   sort file2 > file2.tmp
>   join file1.tmp file2.tmp | sort -n > out
>   rm -f file1.tmp file2.tmp
>
> instead of just
>
>   join -n file1 file2 > out
>
> In the small tools philosophy you want to avoid adding
> redundancy, but in this case join isn't doing the same
> thing as sort, it's just working with it better.  Not to mention
> the fact that sort is an expensive operation to have to
> perform multiple times, not just an extra O(n) filter
> to throw in the middle of a pipeline.
>
>> However if you wanted to join "01" and "1" then your patch is required.
>> Are numeric aliases common enough to warrant this? I think so.
>
> Leading zeros may not be so common, but don't forget
> "1.0" and "1" or "1e2" and "100" and "100.0", etc.
>
>> I'd use -g, --general-numeric to correspond with `sort`.
>
> Yes, that's probably better.

There may be a fly in the ointment.

When comparing floating point numbers how would join measure equality?
Should it consider 1.000000000000001e2 to be equal to 100.0 ?
What if the maximum precision available does not
allow us to distinguish those two values?

What about -0 and 0? (with IEEE 754, they'll compare equal)




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On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Jim Meyering <jim@HIDDEN> wrote:
>
> When comparing floating point numbers how would join measure equality?
> Should it consider 1.000000000000001e2 to be equal to 100.0 ?
> What if the maximum precision available does not
> allow us to distinguish those two values?

Indeed, that's why you generally don't use floating
point numbers as database keys.

We could either restrict the numbers to integers,
or continue to allow floats with a note to the effect
that float precision is machine-specific.  Personally
I have no need for floats so am happy with the former.

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On 06/08/2010 11:56 PM, Jim Meyering wrote:

> There may be a fly in the ointment.
> 
> When comparing floating point numbers how would join measure equality?

The point is that "join" should be compatible with "sort".
Any option that "sort" has to compare fields,
is an option that "join" should also have.
The same code should be used for both "join" and "sort",
to do comparison.  So, if "sort" has an option to do
IEEE-754 comparison in a certain way, "join" should
have the same option.

Arguably "uniq" should have the same set of options,
when checking whether two lines are equal, but I'd
say that's lower priority.




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Hi,

I've attached a patch that implements both "numeric sort" (-n) and "general
numeric sort" (-g).. I copied the relevant comparison code from sort.c to
ensure consistent behavior. Should these functions be extracted and put in
a shared header file, or is it okay to duplicate the code?

In terms of testing, I confirmed that the code correctly deals with
different single-byte thousand separators on my local machine, but I wasn't
sure how to exercise that in the test suite since I can't rely on everyone
having a particular locale available. How should that be handled?

I also updated the relevant docs.

Thanks,
Drew

P.S. I sent a previous version of the patch to the wrong address and
accidentally initiated a new bug thread (#10924). This patch supersedes the
previous.

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Hi,<br><br>I&#39;ve attached a patch that implements both &quot;numeric sor=
t&quot; (-n) and &quot;general numeric sort&quot; (-g).. I copied the relev=
ant comparison code from sort.c to ensure consistent behavior. Should these=
 functions be extracted and put in a shared header file, or is it okay to d=
uplicate the code?<br>




<br>In terms of testing, I confirmed that the code correctly deals with dif=
ferent single-byte thousand separators on my local machine, but I wasn&#39;=
t sure how to exercise that in the test suite since I can&#39;t rely on eve=
ryone having a particular locale available. How should that be handled?<br>

<br>I also updated the relevant docs.<br>


<br>Thanks,<br>Drew<br><br>P.S. I sent a previous version of the patch to t=
he wrong address and accidentally initiated a new bug thread (#10924). This=
 patch supersedes the previous.<br>

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On 08/22/2012 09:17 PM, Sam Steingold wrote:
> Hi,
> I have a file of numbers (integers IDs) which are sorted numerically,
> but comm complains that they are not.
> I suggest that comm accept "-n" option (like sort) to use numeric sort.
> Thanks.

Yes.
comm, join, uniq really should support the same field selection
and comparision flags as sort.

There are already bugs for that:
http://bugs.gnu.org/5832
http://bugs.gnu.org/6366

For reference, the following examples show
expected an unexpected behavior respectively:

$ comm --nocheck <(printf "%s\n" a b c j k) <(printf "%s\n" a b d e j)
		a
		b
c
	d
	e
		j
k

$ comm --nocheck <(printf "%s\n" 1 2 3 10 11) <(printf "%s\n" 1 2 5 6 10)
		1
		2
3
10
11
	5
	6
	10

cheers,
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forcemerge 6366 10924
merge 7389 7394
tags 7394 + patch
merge 7948 7963 7968
retitle 9140 [du] broken on OSX 10.7 (Lion) for >4TB file systems
retitle 10003 [df] information differs from GUI
retitle 10013 [ls] document origin of name
tags 10013 + patch
retitle 10054 [cp] 8.13: cp -au may replace newer files [sr #107876]
retitle 10877 [sort] too eager to use temp files
retitle 11760 [mv] data loss after ctrl-C on ntfs -> ntfs move
thanks

I also wanted to retitle 10900 but it's too opaque, and should be
followed up.

I took this out because I'm not sure I was able to summarize it
correctly.

retitle 10639 [cp] test-copy-acl fails on Solaris 64bit + NFS

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Hello,

On 22/08/12 04:00 PM, PƔdraig Brady wrote:
> 
> On 08/22/2012 09:17 PM, Sam Steingold wrote:
>> I have a file of numbers (integers IDs) which are sorted numerically,
>> but comm complains that they are not.
>> I suggest that comm accept "-n" option (like sort) to use numeric sort.
>> Thanks.
> 
> Yes.
> comm, join, uniq really should support the same field selection
> and comparision flags as sort.
> 
> There are already bugs for that:
> http://bugs.gnu.org/5832
> http://bugs.gnu.org/6366

There is an on-going (though somewhat dormant) effort to
consolidate the key comparison of uniq/join/sort into one common
module:

   https://lists.gnu.org/r/coreutils/2013-02/msg00087.html
   https://lists.gnu.org/r/coreutils/2016-04/msg00063.html


As such, I'm marking this as a wishlist item, and hopefully we'll get
to it sooner or later...

regards,
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severity 6366 wishlist
stop

(triaging old bugs)

Hello,

On 22/08/12 04:00 PM, PƔdraig Brady wrote:
> 
> On 08/22/2012 09:17 PM, Sam Steingold wrote:
>> I have a file of numbers (integers IDs) which are sorted numerically,
>> but comm complains that they are not.
>> I suggest that comm accept "-n" option (like sort) to use numeric sort.
>> Thanks.
> 
> Yes.
> comm, join, uniq really should support the same field selection
> and comparision flags as sort.
> 
> There are already bugs for that:
> http://bugs.gnu.org/5832
> http://bugs.gnu.org/6366

There is an on-going (though somewhat dormant) effort to
consolidate the key comparison of uniq/join/sort into one common
module:

   https://lists.gnu.org/r/coreutils/2013-02/msg00087.html
   https://lists.gnu.org/r/coreutils/2016-04/msg00063.html


As such, I'm marking this as a wishlist item, and hopefully we'll get
to it sooner or later...

regards,
  - assaf







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