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From: "J.P." <jp <at> neverwas.me>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 30.0.50; ERC 5.6: Document how to connect over SOCKS
Date: Tue, 23 May 2023 06:44:13 -0700

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Tags: patch

For whatever reason, new and would-be users come around seeking guidance
on this particular topic with some regularity. The belated proposal
before you is intended to help stem this tide and hopefully reduce the
many man-hours spent fielding such questions on IRC.


In GNU Emacs 30.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version
 3.24.37, cairo version 1.17.6) of 2023-05-23 built on localhost
Repository revision: d4ff1d74209e97730c52ddd50c4d643c79087a33
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Message #10 received at 63662-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: "J.P." <jp <at> neverwas.me>
To: 63662-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Cc: emacs-erc <at> gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#63662: 30.0.50; ERC 5.6: Document how to connect over SOCKS
Date: Tue, 30 May 2023 07:18:07 -0700

A version of this has been added as:

  commit 7563bf5704c9288ad79263d97b929a5b53279d44

I've also taken the liberty of adding a command to view etc/ERC-NEWS
because its existence appears to be largely unknown to non-contributors.
As an aside, it's also probably worth linking to from the official ERC
web page (along with the GNU ELPA package). We might also mention its
existence in the Info manual, perhaps under "Getting Help and Reporting
Bugs".

Message #13 received at 63662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus <at> gmx.de>
To: 63662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Cc: jp <at> neverwas.me
Subject: Re: bug#63662: 30.0.50; ERC 5.6: Document how to connect over SOCKS
Date: Tue, 30 May 2023 17:23:46 +0200

"J.P." <jp <at> neverwas.me> writes:

Hi,

> I've also taken the liberty of adding a command to view etc/ERC-NEWS

Shouldn't this file be in `emacs-news-mode' (or in `emacs-news-view-mode'
when being viewed), like etc/NEWS?

Best regards, Michael.

Message #16 received at 63662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: "J.P." <jp <at> neverwas.me>
To: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus <at> gmx.de>
Cc: 63662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#63662: 30.0.50; ERC 5.6: Document how to connect over SOCKS
Date: Tue, 30 May 2023 18:53:39 -0700

Hi Michael,

Michael Albinus <michael.albinus <at> gmx.de> writes:

> "J.P." <jp <at> neverwas.me> writes:
>
> Hi,
>
>> I've also taken the liberty of adding a command to view etc/ERC-NEWS
>
> Shouldn't this file be in `emacs-news-mode' (or in `emacs-news-view-mode'
> when being viewed), like etc/NEWS?
>
> Best regards, Michael.

The command I've added tries to activate `emacs-news-view-mode' if
defined, but I'm not sure we can change the actual prop line because
older Emacs versions we support (27+) don't seem to have the file
emacs-news-mode.el.

J.P.

Message #19 received at 63662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus <at> gmx.de>
To: "J.P." <jp <at> neverwas.me>
Cc: 63662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#63662: 30.0.50; ERC 5.6: Document how to connect over SOCKS
Date: Wed, 31 May 2023 14:05:38 +0200

"J.P." <jp <at> neverwas.me> writes:

> Hi Michael,

Hi,

>>> I've also taken the liberty of adding a command to view etc/ERC-NEWS
>>
>> Shouldn't this file be in `emacs-news-mode' (or in `emacs-news-view-mode'
>> when being viewed), like etc/NEWS?
>>
>> Best regards, Michael.
>
> The command I've added tries to activate `emacs-news-view-mode' if
> defined, but I'm not sure we can change the actual prop line because
> older Emacs versions we support (27+) don't seem to have the file
> emacs-news-mode.el.

So we might release it on GNU ELPA? In its current version, it compiles
only with Emacs 29+, but it shouldn't be too hard to make it compatible
with older Emacs versions.

> J.P.

Best regards, Michael.

Message #22 received at 63662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Corwin Brust <corwin <at> bru.st>
To: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus <at> gmx.de>
Cc: 63662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, "J.P." <jp <at> neverwas.me>
Subject: Re: bug#63662: 30.0.50; ERC 5.6: Document how to connect over SOCKS
Date: Wed, 31 May 2023 07:47:26 -0500

On Wed, May 31, 2023 at 7:05 AM Michael Albinus <michael.albinus <at> gmx.de> wrote:
>
> "J.P." <jp <at> neverwas.me> writes:
>
> > The command I've added tries to activate `emacs-news-view-mode' if
> > defined, but I'm not sure we can change the actual prop line because
> > older Emacs versions we support (27+) don't seem to have the file
> > emacs-news-mode.el.
>
> So we might release it on GNU ELPA? In its current version, it compiles
> only with Emacs 29+, but it shouldn't be too hard to make it compatible
> with older Emacs versions.

Is your idea that e-n-v-m would become part of compact?

Otherwise, I think ERC would use it only when it is already installed
(which is much the same situation as now).  AFAIK we do not install
things (even from GNU ELPA) automatically when desired by some core
package.

Message #25 received at 63662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: "J.P." <jp <at> neverwas.me>
To: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus <at> gmx.de>
Cc: 63662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#63662: 30.0.50; ERC 5.6: Document how to connect over SOCKS
Date: Wed, 31 May 2023 07:15:11 -0700

Michael Albinus <michael.albinus <at> gmx.de> writes:

> "J.P." <jp <at> neverwas.me> writes:
>
>> Hi Michael,
>
> Hi,
>
>>>> I've also taken the liberty of adding a command to view etc/ERC-NEWS
>>>
>>> Shouldn't this file be in `emacs-news-mode' (or in `emacs-news-view-mode'
>>> when being viewed), like etc/NEWS?
>>>
>>> Best regards, Michael.
>>
>> The command I've added tries to activate `emacs-news-view-mode' if
>> defined, but I'm not sure we can change the actual prop line because
>> older Emacs versions we support (27+) don't seem to have the file
>> emacs-news-mode.el.
>
> So we might release it on GNU ELPA?

You mean convert emacs-news-mode.el into a :core package? No clue about
that, I'm afraid. Apologies if I left you with a different impression.

> In its current version, it compiles only with Emacs 29+, but it
> shouldn't be too hard to make it compatible with older Emacs versions.

Message #28 received at 63662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus <at> gmx.de>
To: Corwin Brust <corwin <at> bru.st>
Cc: 63662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, "J.P." <jp <at> neverwas.me>
Subject: Re: bug#63662: 30.0.50; ERC 5.6: Document how to connect over SOCKS
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2023 12:44:46 +0200

Corwin Brust <corwin <at> bru.st> writes:

Hi Corwin,

>> > The command I've added tries to activate `emacs-news-view-mode' if
>> > defined, but I'm not sure we can change the actual prop line because
>> > older Emacs versions we support (27+) don't seem to have the file
>> > emacs-news-mode.el.
>>
>> So we might release it on GNU ELPA? In its current version, it compiles
>> only with Emacs 29+, but it shouldn't be too hard to make it compatible
>> with older Emacs versions.
>
> Is your idea that e-n-v-m would become part of compact?

No.

> Otherwise, I think ERC would use it only when it is already installed
> (which is much the same situation as now).  AFAIK we do not install
> things (even from GNU ELPA) automatically when desired by some core
> package.

It depends. You could use it when installed (either in vanilla Emacs or
as GNU ELPA package), w/o requiring it.

Best regards, Michael.

Message #31 received at 63662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus <at> gmx.de>
To: "J.P." <jp <at> neverwas.me>
Cc: 63662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#63662: 30.0.50; ERC 5.6: Document how to connect over SOCKS
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2023 13:01:00 +0200

"J.P." <jp <at> neverwas.me> writes:

Hi,

>>> The command I've added tries to activate `emacs-news-view-mode' if
>>> defined, but I'm not sure we can change the actual prop line because
>>> older Emacs versions we support (27+) don't seem to have the file
>>> emacs-news-mode.el.
>>
>> So we might release it on GNU ELPA?
>
> You mean convert emacs-news-mode.el into a :core package? No clue about
> that, I'm afraid. Apologies if I left you with a different impression.

Yes. It wouldn't be useful not only for ERC-NEWS, but for all other
packages providing a *-NEWS file. If they are willing to follow the
conventions.

Best regards, Michael.

Message #34 received at 63662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: "J.P." <jp <at> neverwas.me>
To: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus <at> gmx.de>
Cc: emacs-erc <at> gnu.org, 63662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#63662: 30.0.50; ERC 5.6: Document how to connect over SOCKS
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2023 07:02:46 -0700

Michael Albinus <michael.albinus <at> gmx.de> writes:

>>> "J.P." <jp <at> neverwas.me> writes:
>>>>
>>>>>> I've also taken the liberty of adding a command to view etc/ERC-NEWS
>>>>>
>>>>> Shouldn't this file be in `emacs-news-mode' (or in `emacs-news-view-mode'
>>>>> when being viewed), like etc/NEWS?
>>>>
>>>> The command I've added tries to activate `emacs-news-view-mode' if
>>>> defined, but I'm not sure we can change the actual prop line because
>>>> older Emacs versions we support (27+) don't seem to have the file
>>>> emacs-news-mode.el.

It sure took me long enough, but I think I finally understand what you
meant about changing the mode declared in the file. I guess I didn't
realize Emacs gracefully falls back to trying other listed major modes
(despite that being clearly explained in "(emacs) Specifying File
Variables"). So, unless anyone has a problem with my doing so, I'll go
ahead and update etc/ERC-NEWS accordingly. Thanks!

>>> So we might release it on GNU ELPA?
>>
>> You mean convert emacs-news-mode.el into a :core package? No clue about
>> that, I'm afraid. Apologies if I left you with a different impression.
>
> Yes. It wouldn't be useful not only for ERC-NEWS, but for all other
> packages providing a *-NEWS file. If they are willing to follow the
> conventions.

If emacs-news-mode.el does become another :core package, I suppose ERC,
eglot, and co. would be expected to add it to our ";; Package-Requires:"
headers? Another option might be to print a message upon failing to load
`emacs-news-view-mode' that informs people of its availability on GNU
ELPA.

Message #37 received at 63662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus <at> gmx.de>
To: "J.P." <jp <at> neverwas.me>
Cc: emacs-erc <at> gnu.org, 63662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#63662: 30.0.50; ERC 5.6: Document how to connect over SOCKS
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2023 16:31:04 +0200

"J.P." <jp <at> neverwas.me> writes:

Hi,

> If emacs-news-mode.el does become another :core package, I suppose ERC,
> eglot, and co. would be expected to add it to our ";; Package-Requires:"
> headers? Another option might be to print a message upon failing to load
> `emacs-news-view-mode' that informs people of its availability on GNU
> ELPA.

The former.

Best regards, Michael.

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