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>>>> Oh yes, please (and then remind me to update the elpa.gnu.git scripts).
>>> Done.
>>> https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/elpa.git/commit/?h=elpa-admin&id=0dad7872831e49e5338d888ebffe525cf7f04e13
>>
>> OK,, thanks. elpa.gnu.org is now updated, so HTML pages should start
>> using the new wording (but only for those packages that get a new
>> tarball).
>
> I can see it working now, but it looks like Org mode ELPA definition is
> not setting :core. However, it is not clear if it should.
>
> AFAIU, with :core, the build happens from Emacs git repo, which works
> for packages developed in Emacs repo, but not for packages that are only
> _distributed_ with Emacs.
>
> I am wondering if we should introduce a special keyword for such packages.
AFAIK "such packages" is a singleton set :-)
We could fix that, but it doesn't seem urgent.
After all, I see at http://elpa.gnu.org/packages/org.html that we say:
To install this package from Emacs, use package-install or
list-packages.
Full description
[...]
1. Install Org
[...]
To install a more recent version, please do it from GNU ELPA by
running this command: M-x package-install RET org RET
[...]
so even Org's own doc hasn't been fixed yet :-)
Stefan
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>> Oh yes, please (and then remind me to update the elpa.gnu.git scripts).
>
> Done.
> https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/elpa.git/commit/?h=elpa-admin&id=0dad7872831e49e5338d888ebffe525cf7f04e13
OK,, thanks. elpa.gnu.org is now updated, so HTML pages should start
using the new wording (but only for those packages that get a new
tarball).
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> Bump!
> There is an awkward situation now with
> https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/elpa.git/log/?h=elpa-admin
> containing my commit, but ELPA website not using it.
>
> Should I push a commit as in the above suggestion?
Oh yes, please (and then remind me to update the elpa.gnu.git scripts).
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>>> package-upgrade is not available in any of the released Emacs
>>> versions. Do note that some people still use ELPA to install
>>> packages for Emacs 26.
>> But for those, the instructions have been wrong for years anyway, so I'm
>> not too worried :-)
> Last time I checked, M-x package-install worked for me in Emacs 26 for
> non-core packages.
And still does and so we can keep using it for non-core packages.
This discussion is only relevant for core packages.
AFAIK `package-install` has never been able to upgrade a core package,
right, so the instructions have been wrong for years in this regard.
Stefan
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Subject: Re: [elpa] elpa-admin 1d766451f8: Suggest `package-install' to
install packages (bug#63800)
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Ihor Radchenko [2023-07-13 13:35:53] wrote:
> Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> writes:
>
>>> There is no bug in Emacs here. Just on ELPA page providing instructions
>>> that are not working for :core packages.
>>
>> I still think there's a bug in there because the behavior may not be
>> what the user expects. Maybe `package-install` should be improved so
>> that, instead of doing nothing it tells or prompts the user about the
>> possibility to upgrade the package (presumably only do it when called interactively).
>
> AFAIU, one of the problems is that already installed packages do not
> even show up in the completion and one cannot enter
> M-x package-install <RET> org <RET>. The last <RET> will only trigger
> completion window where org is not listed at all.
>
> But wasn't this discussed in the past? There was quite a lengthy
> discussion about this in the past (I did not quite follow it until the
> end).
>
>>> I could also put the `list-packages' suggestion behind check if the
>>> package is :core or not.
>>
>> That would be best. Even better would be to provide instructions we
>> don't have to be ashamed of. E.g. replace `package-install` with
>> `package-upgrade` for packages that are in-core.
>
> package-upgrade is not available in any of the released Emacs versions.
> Do note that some people still use ELPA to install packages for Emacs
> 26.
How 'bout simply:
diff --git a/elpa-admin.el b/elpa-admin.el
index 2c2d2aeab7..3d2bdcc2ef 100644
--- a/elpa-admin.el
+++ b/elpa-admin.el
@@ -1863,10 +1863,7 @@ arbitrary code."
(insert (format "<dt>Badge</dt><dd><img src=\"%s.svg\"/></dd>\n" (elpaa--html-quote name)))
(elpaa--html-insert-docs pkg-spec)
(insert "</dl>")
- (insert (format "<p>To install this package, run in Emacs:</p>
- <pre>M-x <span class=\"kw\">list-packages</span> RET</pre>
- <p>Then, find <span class=\"kw\">%s</span> in the list, click on the link, and click <pre>Install</pre>.</p>"
- name))
+ (insert "<p>To install this package from Emacs, use <code>package-install</code> or <code>list-packages</code>.</p>")
(let* ((readme-content (elpaa--get-README pkg-spec srcdir))
(readme-text plain-readme)
(readme-html (elpaa--section-to-html readme-content))
-- Stefan
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>>> There is no bug in Emacs here. Just on ELPA page providing instructions
>>> that are not working for :core packages.
>>
>> I still think there's a bug in there because the behavior may not be
>> what the user expects. Maybe `package-install` should be improved so
>> that, instead of doing nothing it tells or prompts the user about the
>> possibility to upgrade the package (presumably only do it when called interactively).
>
> AFAIU, one of the problems is that already installed packages do not
> even show up in the completion and one cannot enter
> M-x package-install <RET> org <RET>. The last <RET> will only trigger
> completion window where org is not listed at all.
>
> But wasn't this discussed in the past? There was quite a lengthy
> discussion about this in the past (I did not quite follow it until the
> end).
Indeed, but I think the discussion did not take a step back to think
about what the UI should be in a more general sense (IIRC it was
focused on "what should we do right now for `emacs-29`").
>>> I could also put the `list-packages' suggestion behind check if the
>>> package is :core or not.
>> That would be best. Even better would be to provide instructions we
>> don't have to be ashamed of. E.g. replace `package-install` with
>> `package-upgrade` for packages that are in-core.
> package-upgrade is not available in any of the released Emacs versions.
> Do note that some people still use ELPA to install packages for Emacs
> 26.
But for those, the instructions have been wrong for years anyway, so I'm
not too worried :-)
Stefan
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Full text available.Received: (at 63800) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jul 2023 13:35:55 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jul 13 09:35:55 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53605 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1qJwU6-0000lf-O8 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Jul 2023 09:35:55 -0400 Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]:46347) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <yantar92@HIDDEN>) id 1qJwU3-0000lK-OU for 63800 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Jul 2023 09:35:53 -0400 Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B673724002A for <63800 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 13 Jul 2023 15:35:45 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1689255345; bh=Rcl8Ek553ClcBrLCOtthrcM7pH6ukAruqVSJCtjZoY4=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:From; b=dKVLfdehsz4KjEWXjYIF9WyMDn8TobRvctaP55wOvfH4FsXZZrycQtdy3I+SHYyFi ot0Ip95Db3dVRozj7rV4XLW9gY6QGW3mPoUx7i/TimFDr2nx4NSXKEzmSgB5tISjL+ UCu704IGTYv9vjJs4TCbSreb/xDFSAJK2iTSNpREam43yYF93q4xXvlqSwvWq0HEvv eq/gZD2pYgdi09jT8QgpyWtwnB248EhiyahX6YRcaeyjvdkYm5XCz5yXqBlU0k3YXD 6unAInqcapb2ICUVY+CuOkbCI+bY0OreK9zorvgluUK9K+zZbj1lQg7/t0pqkk5944 J63CM8B74eLrg== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4R1wbh5fSvz9rxG; Thu, 13 Jul 2023 15:35:44 +0200 (CEST) From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@HIDDEN> To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: [elpa] elpa-admin 1d766451f8: Suggest `package-install' to install packages (bug#63800) In-Reply-To: <jwvfs5sc5f1.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> References: <168924107008.19431.1227792773208531915@HIDDEN> <20230713093750.A9D48C06C6F@HIDDEN> <jwvwmz4c78b.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <874jm8neeu.fsf@localhost> <jwvfs5sc5f1.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2023 13:35:53 +0000 Message-ID: <87ilaolyrq.fsf@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 63800 Cc: 63800 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> writes: >> There is no bug in Emacs here. Just on ELPA page providing instructions >> that are not working for :core packages. > > I still think there's a bug in there because the behavior may not be > what the user expects. Maybe `package-install` should be improved so > that, instead of doing nothing it tells or prompts the user about the > possibility to upgrade the package (presumably only do it when called interactively). AFAIU, one of the problems is that already installed packages do not even show up in the completion and one cannot enter M-x package-install <RET> org <RET>. The last <RET> will only trigger completion window where org is not listed at all. But wasn't this discussed in the past? There was quite a lengthy discussion about this in the past (I did not quite follow it until the end). >> I could also put the `list-packages' suggestion behind check if the >> package is :core or not. > > That would be best. Even better would be to provide instructions we > don't have to be ashamed of. E.g. replace `package-install` with > `package-upgrade` for packages that are in-core. package-upgrade is not available in any of the released Emacs versions. Do note that some people still use ELPA to install packages for Emacs 26. -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at <https://orgmode.org/>. Support Org development at <https://liberapay.com/org-mode>, or support my work at <https://liberapay.com/yantar92>
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Subject: Re: [elpa] elpa-admin 1d766451f8: Suggest `package-install' to
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>> But this should be motivated by a preference, not by a bug (which we
>> should fix instead)
> There is no bug in Emacs here. Just on ELPA page providing instructions
> that are not working for :core packages.
I still think there's a bug in there because the behavior may not be
what the user expects. Maybe `package-install` should be improved so
that, instead of doing nothing it tells or prompts the user about the
possibility to upgrade the package (presumably only do it when called interactively).
>> .... , and not by something that only affects a tiny
>> minority of packages (otherwise, change the above code so it only
>> affects those very few packages).
> I could also put the `list-packages' suggestion behind check if the
> package is :core or not.
That would be best. Even better would be to provide instructions we
don't have to be ashamed of. E.g. replace `package-install` with
`package-upgrade` for packages that are in-core.
Stefan
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#63800; Package emacs.
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Full text available.Received: (at 63800) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jul 2023 16:24:28 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jul 12 12:24:28 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52840 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1qJcdf-00047k-Uk for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Jul 2023 12:24:28 -0400 Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]:41457) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <yantar92@HIDDEN>) id 1qJcdc-00047Q-4L for 63800 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Jul 2023 12:24:26 -0400 Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 79A0E24002A for <63800 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 12 Jul 2023 18:24:17 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1689179057; bh=RBHflgvcWkCZw4dSMCgo73sgBPIoJK7UamKZjcNvmJg=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:From; b=QyVb3ipyAOGjN/tKBslm2pKyUCzTX4NyOLXx3NEQOqJztvgxuWwzP/vUL1Sqg+Eq0 JigE+ehZW/azrgRIDCNcpnWoVOUIVq960bIA/BiGTtaJWETNVELpe2+vEORWBuSqsW uVVmWOh+5kXGJEYvz+p0U3q3bLgC11rmWNTjhG1K1phbQNT9E1C4wcgv9YDqIaXjtM CuRIgJkltXBci5T9urqSv76QINvgertz5/sOdKMjGauW3048rtvfUc0Pu3M0eY2eu5 NxTPlHIsg6RehIEpFQAQ0pSgEKwywA5acbozL5nbkji0vyJysdpYF8DRk1d5LCco92 wxcuf35EAfhbQ== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4R1NNc1gKYz9rxF; Wed, 12 Jul 2023 18:24:16 +0200 (CEST) From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@HIDDEN> To: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#63800: 30.0.50; [ELPA] Inaccurate installation instructions for built-in packages In-Reply-To: <87bkgh608w.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <87mt1mi6ry.fsf@localhost> <87y1l5q9p9.fsf@HIDDEN> <875y89t2a1.fsf@localhost> <ee60fc2a-3c7d-094e-6a7b-3b5e6aacbd6b@HIDDEN> <87r0qdxnvh.fsf@localhost> <12eb3b7e-f944-6a96-cfb9-285891d659ca@HIDDEN> <87bkgl8fei.fsf@localhost> <87bkgh608w.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2023 16:24:25 +0000 Message-ID: <87ttu9yu6e.fsf@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 63800 Cc: Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@HIDDEN>, 63800 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN> writes: >> + <pre>M-x <span class=\"kw\">list-packages</span> RET</pre> >> + <p>Then, find <span class=\"kw\">%s</span> in the list, click on the link, and click <span class=\"kw\">Install</span>.</p>" > > Are you sure that "Install" should have the class kw (I assume keyword)? I am not sure, but I thought that it should be highlighted. "Install" is displayed as a button in Emacs. An alternative could be <pre>Install</pre> - it will look kinda similar to how Emacs displays it. Also, note that it will change how all the packages are displayed, not just core packages. > Other than that, can you push the commit or should I do it? I can try. Never pushed to parts of Emacs project other than Org mode. -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at <https://orgmode.org/>. Support Org development at <https://liberapay.com/org-mode>, or support my work at <https://liberapay.com/yantar92>
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Full text available.Received: (at 63800) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jul 2023 07:46:25 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jul 12 03:46:25 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51628 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1qJUYK-0004Tz-LV for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Jul 2023 03:46:25 -0400 Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]:45751) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <philipk@HIDDEN>) id 1qJUYB-0004Te-M9 for 63800 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Jul 2023 03:46:23 -0400 Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9EB6F240027 for <63800 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 12 Jul 2023 09:46:09 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1689147969; bh=uuXEaCEWKiJhDAXnN+6xuGNhJj6R6P/VtRmXS5CSHbY=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Autocrypt:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:From; b=heGXgE23fSt0zMDhvjZ93WVVlJuqRbYgeUCOLvtSQBib9CDu9r7YKRXBBhnjil5fj /H7LCFUgY+ESq9p3dlB+86tIyc4iDBalDc7RdRtmzWgSzv8qOlFiCb3ryLploZCLUH 1fp8VcXZBBx6R/18pfEwXWI1L+OwfBUS5U0ZGYGGDK+ac0uJmjhDza9/EipDLOjHyI kygK1UoKQBIgPWrgTcoqp1P6H0zufUYcju0aBOt5To4iH5n4CqKqRTR5pEJtyoY8t2 nQ1aqvmRck3xYJmWlY5feBPJWegMiFGFcp2PKaiprjpiyitbVdtWQjYXpSU4t/XIrV +AIZPVy/3V9xQ== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4R18tn0l25z6txJ; Wed, 12 Jul 2023 09:46:08 +0200 (CEST) From: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN> To: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#63800: 30.0.50; [ELPA] Inaccurate installation instructions for built-in packages In-Reply-To: <87bkgl8fei.fsf@localhost> (Ihor Radchenko's message of "Sun, 09 Jul 2023 11:59:01 +0000") References: <87mt1mi6ry.fsf@localhost> <87y1l5q9p9.fsf@HIDDEN> <875y89t2a1.fsf@localhost> <ee60fc2a-3c7d-094e-6a7b-3b5e6aacbd6b@HIDDEN> <87r0qdxnvh.fsf@localhost> <12eb3b7e-f944-6a96-cfb9-285891d659ca@HIDDEN> <87bkgl8fei.fsf@localhost> Autocrypt: addr=philipk@HIDDEN; keydata= mDMEZBBQQhYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdAHJuofBrfqFh12uQu0Yi7mrl525F28eTmwUDflFNmdui0QlBo aWxpcCBLYWx1ZGVyY2ljIChnZW5lcmF0ZWQgYnkgYXV0b2NyeXB0LmVsKSA8cGhpbGlwa0Bwb3N0 ZW8ubmV0PoiWBBMWCAA+FiEEDg7HY17ghYlni8XN8xYDWXahwukFAmQQUEICGwMFCQHhM4AFCwkI BwIGFQoJCAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQ8xYDWXahwulikAEA77hloUiSrXgFkUVJhlKBpLCHUjA0 mWZ9j9w5d08+jVwBAK6c4iGP7j+/PhbkxaEKa4V3MzIl7zJkcNNjHCXmvFcEuDgEZBBQQhIKKwYB BAGXVQEFAQEHQI5NLiLRjZy3OfSt1dhCmFyn+fN/QKELUYQetiaoe+MMAwEIB4h+BBgWCAAmFiEE Dg7HY17ghYlni8XN8xYDWXahwukFAmQQUEICGwwFCQHhM4AACgkQ8xYDWXahwukm+wEA8cml4JpK NeAu65rg+auKrPOP6TP/4YWRCTIvuYDm0joBALw98AMz7/qMHvSCeU/hw9PL6u6R2EScxtpKnWof z4oM Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2023 07:46:07 +0000 Message-ID: <87bkgh608w.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 63800 Cc: Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@HIDDEN>, 63800 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@HIDDEN> writes: > Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@HIDDEN> writes: > >> Perhaps a simpler alternative is to stop referencing 'package-install' >> and instead point uses to 'M-x list-packages'. > > See the attached patch. Looks good, just one nitpick: > From e3e7eae381c0756b54935121c3f0a641685af666 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 > Message-ID: <e3e7eae381c0756b54935121c3f0a641685af666.1688903858.git.yantar92@HIDDEN> > From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@HIDDEN> > Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2023 14:56:22 +0300 > Subject: [PATCH] Suggest `package-install' to install packages > > * elpa-admin.el (elpaa--html-make-pkg): Instruct using `list-packages' > to install packages instead of `package-install'. > > See bug#63800. > --- > elpa-admin.el | 3 ++- > 1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-) > > diff --git a/elpa-admin.el b/elpa-admin.el > index 7ee385d0a..2b5c9b3dd 100644 > --- a/elpa-admin.el > +++ b/elpa-admin.el > @@ -1879,7 +1879,8 @@ (defun elpaa--html-make-pkg (pkg pkg-spec files srcdir plain-readme) > (elpaa--html-insert-docs pkg-spec) > (insert "</dl>") > (insert (format "<p>To install this package, run in Emacs:</p> > - <pre>M-x <span class=\"kw\">package-install</span> RET <span class=\"kw\">%s</span> RET</pre>" > + <pre>M-x <span class=\"kw\">list-packages</span> RET</pre> > + <p>Then, find <span class=\"kw\">%s</span> in the list, click on the link, and click <span class=\"kw\">Install</span>.</p>" Are you sure that "Install" should have the class kw (I assume keyword)? > name)) > (let* ((readme-content (elpaa--get-README pkg-spec srcdir)) > (readme-text plain-readme) > -- > 2.41.0 Other than that, can you push the commit or should I do it?
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From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@HIDDEN>
To: Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@HIDDEN>
Subject: Re: bug#63800: 30.0.50; [ELPA] Inaccurate installation instructions
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Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@HIDDEN> writes:
> Perhaps a simpler alternative is to stop referencing 'package-install'
> and instead point uses to 'M-x list-packages'.
See the attached patch.
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filename=0001-Suggest-package-install-to-install-packages.patch
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Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2023 14:56:22 +0300
Subject: [PATCH] Suggest `package-install' to install packages
* elpa-admin.el (elpaa--html-make-pkg): Instruct using `list-packages'
to install packages instead of `package-install'.
See bug#63800.
---
elpa-admin.el | 3 ++-
1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
diff --git a/elpa-admin.el b/elpa-admin.el
index 7ee385d0a..2b5c9b3dd 100644
--- a/elpa-admin.el
+++ b/elpa-admin.el
@@ -1879,7 +1879,8 @@ (defun elpaa--html-make-pkg (pkg pkg-spec files srcdir plain-readme)
(elpaa--html-insert-docs pkg-spec)
(insert "</dl>")
(insert (format "<p>To install this package, run in Emacs:</p>
- <pre>M-x <span class=\"kw\">package-install</span> RET <span class=\"kw\">%s</span> RET</pre>"
+ <pre>M-x <span class=\"kw\">list-packages</span> RET</pre>
+ <p>Then, find <span class=\"kw\">%s</span> in the list, click on the link, and click <span class=\"kw\">Install</span>.</p>"
name))
(let* ((readme-content (elpaa--get-README pkg-spec srcdir))
(readme-text plain-readme)
--
2.41.0
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Full text available.Received: (at 63800) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jun 2023 20:52:00 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jun 15 16:52:00 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48035 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1q9twm-0002IX-0Z for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jun 2023 16:52:00 -0400 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:48089) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <yantar92@HIDDEN>) id 1q9twj-0002IH-TK for 63800 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jun 2023 16:51:58 -0400 Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1E067240103 for <63800 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 15 Jun 2023 22:51:52 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1686862312; bh=cSff7Bx2pUwQrGMTRka9sDzY5CaEknqRCoMpuH6Z6fQ=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:From; b=Hex5MYPKoNrfg5uVKOb92e4F/gJABKu41Rn+SeDwrFbhElUTBlEBOvYvBep2l6b++ 2Av1sWJ/0S2cE8yAYXrUjU+luxyO34eemoioyXfNaNUykBGAOtD5PM/Wcv0Yb2AhUd CiSRfgEBTFAkey47vOTrZ3Aiu9o0qS8n1WMGibrMJM2KP5/uqtvCFmrbC/6d38hNRV 2PayxW05CHeJGSidb0f3rRx3LaKe7yb30MM5KYATWyJcOnsJh7WCCiBgySw7PKLPtc nfxs7nLRJ48PDKL7j1T++NQl6DMsJ0TOBezYCIolpocmWU6WrRsv9sSeExvPm1SwGd j312KtR2mLcYw== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4Qhvbq1QYfz9rxF; Thu, 15 Jun 2023 22:51:51 +0200 (CEST) From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@HIDDEN> To: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#63800: 30.0.50; [ELPA] Inaccurate installation instructions for built-in packages In-Reply-To: <87v8foagbv.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <87mt1mi6ry.fsf@localhost> <87y1l5q9p9.fsf@HIDDEN> <875y89t2a1.fsf@localhost> <ee60fc2a-3c7d-094e-6a7b-3b5e6aacbd6b@HIDDEN> <87r0qdxnvh.fsf@localhost> <12eb3b7e-f944-6a96-cfb9-285891d659ca@HIDDEN> <87v8foagbv.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2023 20:56:45 +0000 Message-ID: <87fs6sjvg2.fsf@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 63800 Cc: Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@HIDDEN>, 63800 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN> writes: >> Perhaps a simpler alternative is to stop referencing 'package-install' >> and instead point uses to 'M-x list-packages'. > > I think this would be better as well. A lot of users don't even know > what version they use, so we should have to describe how to find that > out as well. I hope that we do not have a situation on ELPA where a package cannot be installed at all on older Emacs. > ... And if that isn't enough, we would also have to explain > what core, built-in and ELPA packages are, and how they interact. Not > worth it, IMO. I think it is still worth mentioning that some packages may already be shipped with Emacs. I do not feel too strongly about this though. I am OK with changing the installation/upgrade instructions to M-x list-packages for built-in packages. -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at <https://orgmode.org/>. Support Org development at <https://liberapay.com/org-mode>, or support my work at <https://liberapay.com/yantar92>
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#63800; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 63800) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jun 2023 15:36:00 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jun 15 11:35:59 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47547 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1q9p0x-0008Fi-Jp for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jun 2023 11:35:59 -0400 Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]:59381) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <philipk@HIDDEN>) id 1q9p0u-0008FS-D7 for 63800 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jun 2023 11:35:58 -0400 Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D6031240027 for <63800 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 15 Jun 2023 17:35:49 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1686843349; bh=Ekfy0DBDXMetMTM5z0EJc25ohM5EwGLB0D84m5U+pWI=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Autocrypt:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:From; b=H4/TIrVH5jZuR5LVKKpVOAAPTyLZfoEOp7Wqb2XnxlXFU7gmU+99RZ/EqeIoEg4+Y WrY/9yhNAJNs5VrnZ19vC6QFu18G/01O2M90JkRHJ3pp1q2hOdJjSgbnVJqrGXfzk7 87iikTc+ZkRwGkEciibBhOPef9/ORkxbjGiVhiHlTs0QukTVvc8s8gf5KK3g8ix3NI U5eYXCuaVB4I7T+YDls2FYlNorDdf47BrVvOPne37A5dPXCeRSb/FRD/MquX3ScPKY wdgPvbTRfkrDXKzpfDtWfUYW+cM0YsFO+9JtY67S10VYHdL3EeG8/32h6Vfl5x42Ls QqFr2SR+zb0/Q== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4Qhmb91xdlz6txZ; Thu, 15 Jun 2023 17:35:49 +0200 (CEST) From: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN> To: Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#63800: 30.0.50; [ELPA] Inaccurate installation instructions for built-in packages In-Reply-To: <12eb3b7e-f944-6a96-cfb9-285891d659ca@HIDDEN> (Dmitry Gutov's message of "Thu, 15 Jun 2023 15:34:09 +0300") References: <87mt1mi6ry.fsf@localhost> <87y1l5q9p9.fsf@HIDDEN> <875y89t2a1.fsf@localhost> <ee60fc2a-3c7d-094e-6a7b-3b5e6aacbd6b@HIDDEN> <87r0qdxnvh.fsf@localhost> <12eb3b7e-f944-6a96-cfb9-285891d659ca@HIDDEN> Autocrypt: addr=philipk@HIDDEN; keydata= mDMEZBBQQhYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdAHJuofBrfqFh12uQu0Yi7mrl525F28eTmwUDflFNmdui0QlBo aWxpcCBLYWx1ZGVyY2ljIChnZW5lcmF0ZWQgYnkgYXV0b2NyeXB0LmVsKSA8cGhpbGlwa0Bwb3N0 ZW8ubmV0PoiWBBMWCAA+FiEEDg7HY17ghYlni8XN8xYDWXahwukFAmQQUEICGwMFCQHhM4AFCwkI BwIGFQoJCAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQ8xYDWXahwulikAEA77hloUiSrXgFkUVJhlKBpLCHUjA0 mWZ9j9w5d08+jVwBAK6c4iGP7j+/PhbkxaEKa4V3MzIl7zJkcNNjHCXmvFcEuDgEZBBQQhIKKwYB BAGXVQEFAQEHQI5NLiLRjZy3OfSt1dhCmFyn+fN/QKELUYQetiaoe+MMAwEIB4h+BBgWCAAmFiEE Dg7HY17ghYlni8XN8xYDWXahwukFAmQQUEICGwwFCQHhM4AACgkQ8xYDWXahwukm+wEA8cml4JpK NeAu65rg+auKrPOP6TP/4YWRCTIvuYDm0joBALw98AMz7/qMHvSCeU/hw9PL6u6R2EScxtpKnWof z4oM Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2023 15:35:48 +0000 Message-ID: <87v8foagbv.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 63800 Cc: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@HIDDEN>, 63800 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@HIDDEN> writes: > On 15/06/2023 09:04, Ihor Radchenko wrote: >> I have no problem with the command. I have problem with_ELPA page_ >> mentioning this command for built-in packages. > > Cool. > >> If you look into my other email, I suggested indicating on the ELPA >> page when a package is built-in and also add instructions how to upgrade >> it. That makes more sense_for ELPA page_. > > Not a bad idea, though it will also require adding some metadata on > when the package was added to Emacs. > > Perhaps a simpler alternative is to stop referencing 'package-install' > and instead point uses to 'M-x list-packages'. I think this would be better as well. A lot of users don't even know what version they use, so we should have to describe how to find that out as well. And if that isn't enough, we would also have to explain what core, built-in and ELPA packages are, and how they interact. Not worth it, IMO.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#63800; Package emacs.
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Thu, 15 Jun 2023 08:34:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <12eb3b7e-f944-6a96-cfb9-285891d659ca@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2023 15:34:09 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.11.0 Subject: Re: bug#63800: 30.0.50; [ELPA] Inaccurate installation instructions for built-in packages Content-Language: en-US To: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@HIDDEN> References: <87mt1mi6ry.fsf@localhost> <87y1l5q9p9.fsf@HIDDEN> <875y89t2a1.fsf@localhost> <ee60fc2a-3c7d-094e-6a7b-3b5e6aacbd6b@HIDDEN> <87r0qdxnvh.fsf@localhost> From: Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87r0qdxnvh.fsf@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 63800 Cc: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN>, 63800 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) On 15/06/2023 09:04, Ihor Radchenko wrote: > I have no problem with the command. I have problem with_ELPA page_ > mentioning this command for built-in packages. Cool. > If you look into my other email, I suggested indicating on the ELPA > page when a package is built-in and also add instructions how to upgrade > it. That makes more sense_for ELPA page_. Not a bad idea, though it will also require adding some metadata on when the package was added to Emacs. Perhaps a simpler alternative is to stop referencing 'package-install' and instead point uses to 'M-x list-packages'.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#63800; Package emacs.
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This is >>> particularly a problem for older (<29) Emacs versions. >> You probably want to set `package-install-upgrade-built-in' to non-nil, >> or use the package menu to install packages. > Sure. But only in Emacs >=29 and it is not mentioned on the ELPA page. > For Emacs <29 ELPA instruction simply does not work - attempting to > follow it will just produce unhelpful message that package is already > installed. Is that a problem with the command or with the expectations? When Org is built-in, it *is* already installed, isn't it? You will also see the same message if you try to use 'M-x package-install' as a means to upgrade any other already-installed package, whether it is built-in or not.
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Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN> writes:
>>> You probably want to set `package-install-upgrade-built-in' to non-nil,
>>> or use the package menu to install packages.
>>
>> Sure. But only in Emacs >=29 and it is not mentioned on the ELPA page.
>
> I am not a fan of the option to begin with, and wouldn't want to
> advertise it. The official way of switching from built-in packages to
> ELPA should still be to use the package menu.
I will not argue about this. This bug report merely raises the issue
with current installation instructions. You are in a better position to
recommend one or another way to install/upgrade core packages from ELPA.
>> For Emacs <29 ELPA instruction simply does not work - attempting to
>> follow it will just produce unhelpful message that package is already
>> installed.
>
> So what would you suggest changing?
I suggest changing
To install this package, run in Emacs:
M-x package-install RET <package-name> RET
to something like
This package is a part of Emacs since Emacs XX.X.
To install the package in Emacs <XX.X, run:
M-x package-install RET <package-name
To update the built-in package version in Emacs >=XX.X to ELPA version:
<instructions to install the package that actually work>
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Hi,
All the Emacs packages distributed via ELPA share the same installation
instruction:
To install this package, run in Emacs:
M-x package-install RET <package-name> RET
However, this command will fail for built-in packages. This is
particularly a problem for older (<29) Emacs versions.
May the instruction be corrected?
Original discussion is for Org, but the same will apply for other
packages distributed with Emacs. https://orgmode.org/list/878rdbwlf3.fsf@localhost
--
Ihor Radchenko // yantar92,
Org mode contributor,
Learn more about Org mode at <https://orgmode.org/>.
Support Org development at <https://liberapay.com/org-mode>,
or support my work at <https://liberapay.com/yantar92>
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