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29.0.91; Bind `M-n' in `Info-mode-map' to `clone-buffer'

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Message #5 received at submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Drew Adams <drew.adams <at> oracle.com>
To: "bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org" <bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org>
Subject: 29.0.91; Bind `M-n' in `Info-mode-map' to `clone-buffer'
Date: Wed, 31 May 2023 20:00:11 +0000

Just as for `help-mode-map', please consider binding `M-n' to
`clone-buffer in `Info-mode-map'.

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Message #8 received at 63815 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams <at> oracle.com>
Cc: 63815 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#63815: 29.0.91;
 Bind `M-n' in `Info-mode-map' to `clone-buffer'
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2023 08:44:51 +0300

> From: Drew Adams <drew.adams <at> oracle.com>
> Date: Wed, 31 May 2023 20:00:11 +0000
> 
> Just as for `help-mode-map', please consider binding `M-n' to
> `clone-buffer in `Info-mode-map'.

M-n is already bound to clone-buffer in Info, since at least Emacs 23.
Doesn't it work for you?  What does "C-h c M-n" say in Info?

Message #11 received at 63815 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Drew Adams <drew.adams <at> oracle.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: "63815 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" <63815 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
Subject: RE: [External] : Re: bug#63815: 29.0.91; Bind `M-n' in
 `Info-mode-map' to `clone-buffer'
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2023 13:25:31 +0000

> M-n is already bound to clone-buffer in Info, since at least Emacs 23.
> Doesn't it work for you?  What does "C-h c M-n" say in Info?

I'm sorry.  I wrote it backward, in both the Subject line and the report text.

I should have requested that we bind M-n in help-mode-map to clone-buffer, just as we bind M-n in Info-mode-map to clone-buffer.

Apologies.  Would you please retitle the bug, assuming that you don't close it immediately?  Thx.

Message #14 received at 63815 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Juri Linkov <juri <at> linkov.net>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams <at> oracle.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>,
 "63815 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" <63815 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
Subject: Re: bug#63815: 29.0.91; Bind `M-n' in `Info-mode-map' to
 `clone-buffer'
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2023 19:08:57 +0300

>> M-n is already bound to clone-buffer in Info, since at least Emacs 23.
>> Doesn't it work for you?  What does "C-h c M-n" say in Info?
>
> I'm sorry.  I wrote it backward, in both the Subject line and the report text.
>
> I should have requested that we bind M-n in help-mode-map to
> clone-buffer, just as we bind M-n in Info-mode-map to clone-buffer.

In Emacs 29 you can use 'clone-buffer' in the Help buffer
bound to 'C-x x n'.

Message #17 received at 63815 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Drew Adams <drew.adams <at> oracle.com>
To: Juri Linkov <juri <at> linkov.net>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>,
 "63815 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" <63815 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
Subject: RE: [External] : Re: bug#63815: 29.0.91; Bind `M-n' in
 `Info-mode-map' to `clone-buffer'
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2023 16:44:47 +0000

> > I should have requested that we bind M-n in help-mode-map to
> > clone-buffer, just as we bind M-n in Info-mode-map to clone-buffer.
> 
> In Emacs 29 you can use 'clone-buffer' in the Help buffer
> bound to 'C-x x n'.

I see.  Why not (also) `M-n', like elsewhere?
Why not treat *Help* like *info* and *Man __*?

Message #20 received at 63815 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Juri Linkov <juri <at> linkov.net>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams <at> oracle.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>,
 "63815 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" <63815 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
Subject: Re: [External] : Re: bug#63815: 29.0.91; Bind `M-n' in
 `Info-mode-map' to `clone-buffer'
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2023 09:49:31 +0300

>> > I should have requested that we bind M-n in help-mode-map to
>> > clone-buffer, just as we bind M-n in Info-mode-map to clone-buffer.
>>
>> In Emacs 29 you can use 'clone-buffer' in the Help buffer
>> bound to 'C-x x n'.
>
> I see.  Why not (also) `M-n', like elsewhere?
> Why not treat *Help* like *info* and *Man __*?

Actually, 'C-x x n' is the global keybinding.  Here is what Help says:

  C-x x n runs the command clone-buffer (found in global-map).

  It is bound to M-n and C-x x n.

Message #23 received at 63815 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Drew Adams <drew.adams <at> oracle.com>
To: Juri Linkov <juri <at> linkov.net>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>,
 "63815 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" <63815 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
Subject: RE: [External] : Re: bug#63815: 29.0.91; Bind `M-n' in
 `Info-mode-map' to `clone-buffer'
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2023 13:23:50 +0000

> > I see.  Why not (also) `M-n', like elsewhere?
> > Why not treat *Help* like *info* and *Man __*?
> 
> Actually, 'C-x x n' is the global keybinding.  Here is what Help says:
> 
>   C-x x n runs the command clone-buffer (found in global-map).
> 
>   It is bound to M-n and C-x x n.

Is that `M-n' binding new for Emacs 30? I don't see it in the 29 pretest (emacs -Q).  Anyway, if an M-n binding has already been added then (great) please close this bug.  Thx.

Message #26 received at 63815 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Juri Linkov <juri <at> linkov.net>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams <at> oracle.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>,
 "63815 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" <63815 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
Subject: Re: [External] : Re: bug#63815: 29.0.91; Bind `M-n' in
 `Info-mode-map' to `clone-buffer'
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2023 19:05:46 +0300

>> > I see.  Why not (also) `M-n', like elsewhere?
>> > Why not treat *Help* like *info* and *Man __*?
>> 
>> Actually, 'C-x x n' is the global keybinding.  Here is what Help says:
>> 
>>   C-x x n runs the command clone-buffer (found in global-map).
>> 
>>   It is bound to M-n and C-x x n.
>
> Is that `M-n' binding new for Emacs 30?  I don't see it in the 29
> pretest (emacs -Q).  Anyway, if an M-n binding has already been added
> then (great) please close this bug.  Thx.

Sorry that the answer was unclear.  This Help buffer showed help
about the Info buffer.  So M-n exists only in Info mode.
But in Emacs 29 a new global binding 'C-x x n' was added
to make 'clone-buffer' available in all modes.
This makes 'M-n' in Info obsolete.

Message #29 received at 63815 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Drew Adams <drew.adams <at> oracle.com>
To: Juri Linkov <juri <at> linkov.net>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>,
 "63815 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" <63815 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
Subject: RE: [External] : Re: bug#63815: 29.0.91; Bind `M-n' in
 `Info-mode-map' to `clone-buffer'
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2023 18:37:05 +0000

> >> > I see.  Why not (also) `M-n', like elsewhere?
> >> > Why not treat *Help* like *info* and *Man __*?
> >>
> >> Actually, 'C-x x n' is the global keybinding.  Here is what Help says:
> >>
> >>   C-x x n runs the command clone-buffer (found in global-map).
> >>
> >>   It is bound to M-n and C-x x n.
> >
> > Is that `M-n' binding new for Emacs 30?  I don't see it in the 29
> > pretest (emacs -Q).  Anyway, if an M-n binding has already been added
> > then (great) please close this bug.  Thx.
> 
> Sorry that the answer was unclear.  This Help buffer showed help
> about the Info buffer.  So M-n exists only in Info mode.
> But in Emacs 29 a new global binding 'C-x x n' was added
> to make 'clone-buffer' available in all modes.
> This makes 'M-n' in Info obsolete.

Why would you say that (last sentence)?

That we have a global binding for the command
doesn't mean we shouldn't also have an easier,
(and long-standing) local binding for it.

The request of this bug is to add `M-n' for
`clone-buffer' to buffers in Help mode, in
addition to having it for buffers in Info mode.

Message #32 received at 63815 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Juri Linkov <juri <at> linkov.net>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams <at> oracle.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>,
 "63815 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" <63815 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
Subject: Re: [External] : Re: bug#63815: 29.0.91; Bind `M-n' in
 `Info-mode-map' to `clone-buffer'
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2023 19:40:59 +0300

>> >> > I see.  Why not (also) `M-n', like elsewhere?
>> >> > Why not treat *Help* like *info* and *Man __*?
>> >>
>> >> Actually, 'C-x x n' is the global keybinding.  Here is what Help says:
>> >>
>> >>   C-x x n runs the command clone-buffer (found in global-map).
>> >>
>> >>   It is bound to M-n and C-x x n.
>> >
>> > Is that `M-n' binding new for Emacs 30?  I don't see it in the 29
>> > pretest (emacs -Q).  Anyway, if an M-n binding has already been added
>> > then (great) please close this bug.  Thx.
>>
>> Sorry that the answer was unclear.  This Help buffer showed help
>> about the Info buffer.  So M-n exists only in Info mode.
>> But in Emacs 29 a new global binding 'C-x x n' was added
>> to make 'clone-buffer' available in all modes.
>> This makes 'M-n' in Info obsolete.
>
> Why would you say that (last sentence)?

Because the new universal keybinding is available in all buffers.
But I don't propose to remove 'M-n' in Info.

> That we have a global binding for the command
> doesn't mean we shouldn't also have an easier,
> (and long-standing) local binding for it.
>
> The request of this bug is to add `M-n' for
> `clone-buffer' to buffers in Help mode, in
> addition to having it for buffers in Info mode.

Sorry, I have no opinion about 'M-n' in Help.
I just pointed out there is a new global keybinding
'C-x x n' that can be used in Help now.

Message #37 received at 63815 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas <at> gmail.com>
To: Juri Linkov <juri <at> linkov.net>, Drew Adams <drew.adams <at> oracle.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, 63815 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#63815: 29.0.91;
 Bind `M-n' in `Info-mode-map' to `clone-buffer'
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2023 07:28:00 -0700

tags 63815 + wontfix
close 63815
thanks

Juri Linkov <juri <at> linkov.net> writes:

>>> >> Actually, 'C-x x n' is the global keybinding.  Here is what Help says:
>>> >>
>>> >>   C-x x n runs the command clone-buffer (found in global-map).
>>> >>
>>> >>   It is bound to M-n and C-x x n.
>>> >
>>> > Is that `M-n' binding new for Emacs 30?  I don't see it in the 29
>>> > pretest (emacs -Q).  Anyway, if an M-n binding has already been added
>>> > then (great) please close this bug.  Thx.
>>>
>>> Sorry that the answer was unclear.  This Help buffer showed help
>>> about the Info buffer.  So M-n exists only in Info mode.
>>> But in Emacs 29 a new global binding 'C-x x n' was added
>>> to make 'clone-buffer' available in all modes.
>>> This makes 'M-n' in Info obsolete.
>>
>> Why would you say that (last sentence)?
>
> Because the new universal keybinding is available in all buffers.
> But I don't propose to remove 'M-n' in Info.
>
>> That we have a global binding for the command
>> doesn't mean we shouldn't also have an easier,
>> (and long-standing) local binding for it.
>>
>> The request of this bug is to add `M-n' for
>> `clone-buffer' to buffers in Help mode, in
>> addition to having it for buffers in Info mode.
>
> Sorry, I have no opinion about 'M-n' in Help.
> I just pointed out there is a new global keybinding
> 'C-x x n' that can be used in Help now.

Right.  Let's not add yet another keybinding for this.

Users that want it can bind it themselves.

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