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On Sun, Jun 18, 2023 at 5:16=E2=80=AFPM Jeremy Bryant <jb@HIDDEN>=
 wrote:
>
>
> (Expanding an initial discussion with Joao to the proper email list)
>
> Hi,
>
> The variable eglot-server-programs includes suitable LSP servers per
> major mode.  Would it be useful for users to extend this to a preference =
by order?
>
> For example, for example eglot has 2 supported programs for TeX:
>                                 ((tex-mode context-mode texinfo-mode bibt=
ex-mode)
>                                   . ,(eglot-alternatives '("digestif" "te=
xlab")))
>
> Is one preferred in terms of compatibility with eglot or other
> functionality?  This could be implemented with a specific order.

Just a preamble: Eglot is an LSP client.  The (great) idea behind
LSP is for every client to be compatible with every server.  That's
not always  respected by client/server implementers (the most common
case is servers who assume that VSCode, made by the company who also
makes the standard, is the de facto standard).  But in most cases
it _is_ respected is, and certainly Eglot as a Client strives to
achieve that.

So, in my view, it makes little sense to talk about "servers supported
or compatible with eglot" .  Even eglot-server-programs itself is a bit
of an anti-LSP thing, though admittedly it's a very useful one in some
cases.  It's just a list of server invocations that Emacs can guess
for the current major mode.   I almost always start my daily clangd
sessions with C-u M-x eglot, for example, and then pass one or other comman=
d
line argument to the prompt, referring to history.  I do this once
or twice a day at most, and barely lose any time.  So eglot-server-programs
is almost useless to me.  I try experimental servers all the time, and
point Eglot to it with the same method.

So the order of the alternatives isn't really important, or thought
over.  At least by me it isn't.

Hope this helps,

Jo=C3=A3o (with a tilde on the a for a nice round nasal =C3=A3o)

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Thanks Jo=C3=A3o for the clarifications on the purpose of eglot, and the su=
ggestion to use C-u M-x
eglot, I will investigate.

My feature suggestion was from a more basic user-level selection of LSP
servers.


PS: In the meantime, I have worked out how to use C-x 8 to insert Unicode f=
or proper name
spelling of Jo=C3=A3o, thank you for clarification.


Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora <joaotavora@HIDDEN> writes:

> On Sun, Jun 18, 2023 at 5:16=E2=80=AFPM Jeremy Bryant <jb@HIDDEN=
t> wrote:
>>
>>
>> (Expanding an initial discussion with Joao to the proper email list)
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> The variable eglot-server-programs includes suitable LSP servers per
>> major mode.  Would it be useful for users to extend this to a preference=
 by order?
>>
>> For example, for example eglot has 2 supported programs for TeX:
>>                                 ((tex-mode context-mode texinfo-mode bib=
tex-mode)
>>                                   . ,(eglot-alternatives '("digestif" "t=
exlab")))
>>
>> Is one preferred in terms of compatibility with eglot or other
>> functionality?  This could be implemented with a specific order.
>
> Just a preamble: Eglot is an LSP client.  The (great) idea behind
> LSP is for every client to be compatible with every server.  That's
> not always  respected by client/server implementers (the most common
> case is servers who assume that VSCode, made by the company who also
> makes the standard, is the de facto standard).  But in most cases
> it _is_ respected is, and certainly Eglot as a Client strives to
> achieve that.
>
> So, in my view, it makes little sense to talk about "servers supported
> or compatible with eglot" .  Even eglot-server-programs itself is a bit
> of an anti-LSP thing, though admittedly it's a very useful one in some
> cases.  It's just a list of server invocations that Emacs can guess
> for the current major mode.   I almost always start my daily clangd
> sessions with C-u M-x eglot, for example, and then pass one or other comm=
and
> line argument to the prompt, referring to history.  I do this once
> or twice a day at most, and barely lose any time.  So eglot-server-progra=
ms
> is almost useless to me.  I try experimental servers all the time, and
> point Eglot to it with the same method.
>
> So the order of the alternatives isn't really important, or thought
> over.  At least by me it isn't.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Jo=C3=A3o (with a tilde on the a for a nice round nasal =C3=A3o)

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Thanks Jo=C3=A3o for the clarifications on the purpose of eglot, and the su=
ggestion to use C-u M-x
eglot, I will investigate.

My feature suggestion was from a more basic user-level selection of LSP
servers.


PS: In the meantime, I have worked out how to use C-x 8 to insert Unicode f=
or proper name
spelling of Jo=C3=A3o, thank you for clarification.


Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora <joaotavora@HIDDEN> writes:

> On Sun, Jun 18, 2023 at 5:16=E2=80=AFPM Jeremy Bryant <jb@HIDDEN=
t> wrote:
>>
>>
>> (Expanding an initial discussion with Joao to the proper email list)
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> The variable eglot-server-programs includes suitable LSP servers per
>> major mode.  Would it be useful for users to extend this to a preference=
 by order?
>>
>> For example, for example eglot has 2 supported programs for TeX:
>>                                 ((tex-mode context-mode texinfo-mode bib=
tex-mode)
>>                                   . ,(eglot-alternatives '("digestif" "t=
exlab")))
>>
>> Is one preferred in terms of compatibility with eglot or other
>> functionality?  This could be implemented with a specific order.
>
> Just a preamble: Eglot is an LSP client.  The (great) idea behind
> LSP is for every client to be compatible with every server.  That's
> not always  respected by client/server implementers (the most common
> case is servers who assume that VSCode, made by the company who also
> makes the standard, is the de facto standard).  But in most cases
> it _is_ respected is, and certainly Eglot as a Client strives to
> achieve that.
>
> So, in my view, it makes little sense to talk about "servers supported
> or compatible with eglot" .  Even eglot-server-programs itself is a bit
> of an anti-LSP thing, though admittedly it's a very useful one in some
> cases.  It's just a list of server invocations that Emacs can guess
> for the current major mode.   I almost always start my daily clangd
> sessions with C-u M-x eglot, for example, and then pass one or other comm=
and
> line argument to the prompt, referring to history.  I do this once
> or twice a day at most, and barely lose any time.  So eglot-server-progra=
ms
> is almost useless to me.  I try experimental servers all the time, and
> point Eglot to it with the same method.
>
> So the order of the alternatives isn't really important, or thought
> over.  At least by me it isn't.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Jo=C3=A3o (with a tilde on the a for a nice round nasal =C3=A3o)

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