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30.0.50; Android: Default font size too small

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Message #5 received at submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Milan Zamazal <pdm <at> zamazal.org>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 30.0.50; Android: Default font size too small
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2023 20:52:32 +0200

When I start the native Android Emacs on my phone or on my 13" e-ink
reader, the font size in both the menu bar and buffers is too small (no
more than 2 millimeters on both the devices) to be able to tap things at
least partially reliably with my fingers, similarly with the tool bar.
The vertical menu displayed after tapping a menu bar item has large
text.

I would expect that the default font size would be something like the
system default font size (which is much larger than the font size in
Emacs).

The output from report-emacs-bug below is copied from my phone.

In GNU Emacs 30.0.50 (build 1, aarch64-unknown-linux-android29) of
 2023-07-02 built on xeon
Repository revision: 2baf2c5fd9abe465a53e035131667e06ef553123
Windowing system distributor 'samsung', version 33.0.0
Android version and manufacturer: samsung/xcoverproeea/xcoverpro:13/TP1A.220624.014/G715FNXXUCFWF1:user/release-keys
Configured using:
 'configure --with-png=yes --with-webp=yes --with-gif=yes
 --with-json=ifavailable --with-jpeg=yes --with-xml2=yes
 --with-sqlite3=yes --with-gnutls=yes --with-tiff=yes --with-selinux=yes
 --with-modules=yes --with-tree-sitter=yes --with-imagemagick=no
 --with-lcms2=yes --with-mailutils= --with-pop=no-by-default
 --with-harfbuzz=yes --enable-check-lisp-object-type= 'CFLAGS=-O2
 -Werror=implicit-function-declaration''

Configured features:
GIF GMP GNUTLS HARFBUZZ JPEG JSON LIBSELINUX LIBXML2 MODULES NOTIFY
INOTIFY PDUMPER PNG SECCOMP SQLITE3 TIFF TREE_SITTER WEBP ZLIB

Important settings:
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Major mode: Fundamental

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Message #8 received at 64444 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com>
To: Milan Zamazal <pdm <at> zamazal.org>
Cc: 64444 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#64444: 30.0.50; Android: Default font size too small
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2023 08:51:37 +0800

Milan Zamazal <pdm <at> zamazal.org> writes:

> When I start the native Android Emacs on my phone or on my 13" e-ink
> reader, the font size in both the menu bar and buffers is too small (no
> more than 2 millimeters on both the devices) to be able to tap things at
> least partially reliably with my fingers, similarly with the tool bar.
> The vertical menu displayed after tapping a menu bar item has large
> text.
>
> I would expect that the default font size would be something like the
> system default font size (which is much larger than the font size in
> Emacs).
>
> The output from report-emacs-bug below is copied from my phone.

It would be helpful if you could attach the output of the shell command
`getprop' run on your phone, as that contains the display metric
information used by Emacs to compute the default font size.

Bear in mind that output may contain private information, so read it
before attaching it.  Thanks.

Message #11 received at 64444 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Milan Zamazal <pdm <at> zamazal.org>
To: Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com>
Cc: 64444 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#64444: 30.0.50; Android: Default font size too small
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2023 09:43:09 +0200

>>>>> "PL" == Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com> writes:

    PL> Milan Zamazal <pdm <at> zamazal.org> writes:
    >> When I start the native Android Emacs on my phone or on my 13"
    >> e-ink reader, the font size in both the menu bar and buffers is
    >> too small (no more than 2 millimeters on both the devices) to be
    >> able to tap things at least partially reliably with my fingers,
    >> similarly with the tool bar.  The vertical menu displayed after
    >> tapping a menu bar item has large text.
    >> 
    >> I would expect that the default font size would be something like
    >> the system default font size (which is much larger than the font
    >> size in Emacs).
    >> 
    >> The output from report-emacs-bug below is copied from my phone.

    PL> It would be helpful if you could attach the output of the shell
    PL> command `getprop' run on your phone, as that contains the
    PL> display metric information used by Emacs to compute the default
    PL> font size.

See below.

    PL> Bear in mind that output may contain private information, so
    PL> read it before attaching it.

I have little idea about the level of sensitivity of all the items, so I
deleted all what didn’t look all right to me.  Please tell me if
anything relevant is missing.

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Message #14 received at 64444 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com>
To: Milan Zamazal <pdm <at> zamazal.org>
Cc: 64444 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#64444: 30.0.50; Android: Default font size too small
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2023 08:41:19 +0800

Right, thanks.  Have you ever adjusted the default system text size in
Settings?

If so, I suppose the problem is that Emacs uses the display density
itself, instead of using the density adjusted for the text size
preference.

Message #17 received at 64444 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Milan Zamazal <pdm <at> zamazal.org>
To: Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com>
Cc: 64444 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#64444: 30.0.50; Android: Default font size too small
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2023 09:56:13 +0200

>>>>> "PL" == Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com> writes:

    PL> Have you ever adjusted the default system text size in Settings?

I think so.

    PL> If so, I suppose the problem is that Emacs uses the display
    PL> density itself, instead of using the density adjusted for the
    PL> text size preference.

I see.

Message #20 received at 64444 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com>
To: Milan Zamazal <pdm <at> zamazal.org>
Cc: 64444 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#64444: 30.0.50; Android: Default font size too small
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2023 15:59:32 +0800

Milan Zamazal <pdm <at> zamazal.org> writes:

>>>>>> "PL" == Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com> writes:
>
>     PL> Have you ever adjusted the default system text size in Settings?
>
> I think so.
>
>     PL> If so, I suppose the problem is that Emacs uses the display
>     PL> density itself, instead of using the density adjusted for the
>     PL> text size preference.
>
> I see.

I will look into this, thanks.

Message #23 received at 64444 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com>
To: Milan Zamazal <pdm <at> zamazal.org>
Cc: 64444 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#64444: 30.0.50; Android: Default font size too small
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2023 09:36:09 +0800

Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com> writes:

> Milan Zamazal <pdm <at> zamazal.org> writes:
>
>>>>>>> "PL" == Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com> writes:
>>
>>     PL> Have you ever adjusted the default system text size in Settings?
>>
>> I think so.
>>
>>     PL> If so, I suppose the problem is that Emacs uses the display
>>     PL> density itself, instead of using the density adjusted for the
>>     PL> text size preference.
>>
>> I see.
>
> I will look into this, thanks.

Emacs should now respect the system font scale setting.

Message #26 received at 64444 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Milan Zamazal <pdm <at> zamazal.org>
To: Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com>
Cc: 64444 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#64444: 30.0.50; Android: Default font size too small
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2023 10:36:10 +0200

>>>>> "PL" == Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com> writes:

    PL> Emacs should now respect the system font scale setting.

Hmm, I don’t think there is any change in the default font size after
installation on my devices.

Message #29 received at 64444 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com>
To: Milan Zamazal <pdm <at> zamazal.org>
Cc: 64444 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#64444: 30.0.50; Android: Default font size too small
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2023 19:58:43 +0800

Milan Zamazal <pdm <at> zamazal.org> writes:

>>>>>> "PL" == Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com> writes:
>
>     PL> Emacs should now respect the system font scale setting.
>
> Hmm, I don’t think there is any change in the default font size after
> installation on my devices.

After some testing on a Samsung device, I've discovered that the font
size is not really too small: instead, the point size Emacs uses by
default is typical of desktop devices.  Interestingly, this effect is
more pronounced on machines made by Samsung.

I'd simply recommend that you adjust the size of the default and
menu-bar faces to better suit your needs.  It would also be helpful if
you chould share a screenshot, to make sure we're seeing the same
default font size.  Thanks.

Message #32 received at 64444 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Milan Zamazal <pdm <at> zamazal.org>
To: Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com>
Cc: 64444 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#64444: 30.0.50; Android: Default font size too small
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2023 17:20:37 +0200

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>>>>> "PL" == Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com> writes:

    PL> After some testing on a Samsung device, I've discovered that the
    PL> font size is not really too small: instead, the point size Emacs
    PL> uses by default is typical of desktop devices.  Interestingly,
    PL> this effect is more pronounced on machines made by Samsung.

Do you mean point size in pixels or a physical point size?

Anyway, the difference may be subtle and depends on the user.  For
example, when I enlarge the Emacs font size by less than 50% on my
phone, my tapping success rate increases a lot.

    PL> I'd simply recommend that you adjust the size of the default and
    PL> menu-bar faces to better suit your needs.  

This is not a big problem for me anymore, since I already know what to
do *exactly*.  It requires just three successful taps (hitting Options
menu, the font size field and State button), which is manageable even
when it’s significantly unreliable.  But what looks easy to me now
didn’t look easy to me at all when I ran Emacs for the first time and
couldn’t handle it because of the small size of the UI elements and the
lack of a keyboard.

All the other Android applications I use either start with reasonable
sizes of the UI elements by default or provide an easy and obvious way
to adjust the font size.

If this is not possible with Emacs on all devices, FAQ might help (I can
draft ones if it helps).

    PL> It would also be helpful if you chould share a screenshot, to
    PL> make sure we're seeing the same default font size.

Here are the screenshots from my phone (6,3“) and my e-ink reader
(13,3”), this is what I see when starting a freshly installed Emacs:

[screenshot-phone.jpg (image/jpeg, attachment)]

[screenshot-reader.png (image/png, attachment)]

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