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Full text available.Received: (at 64714) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jul 2023 18:00:44 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jul 18 14:00:44 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54255 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1qLp08-0006I9-F4 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2023 14:00:44 -0400 Received: from relay1-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.193]:56655) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <juri@HIDDEN>) id 1qLp06-0006Hv-FL for 64714 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2023 14:00:43 -0400 Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BD92C240003; Tue, 18 Jul 2023 18:00:34 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> To: Robert Pluim <rpluim@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#64714: 29.0.92; Gently recommend some keybindings for Eglot in the manual In-Reply-To: <87cz0pp0tb.fsf@HIDDEN> (Robert Pluim's message of "Tue, 18 Jul 2023 19:49:20 +0200") Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <iersf9lw3mt.fsf@HIDDEN> <86h6q186vi.fsf@HIDDEN> <87cz0pp0tb.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2023 20:58:07 +0300 Message-ID: <86lefd5cgg.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/30.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GND-Sasl: juri@HIDDEN X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 64714 Cc: Spencer Baugh <sbaugh@HIDDEN>, =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jo=E3o_T=E1vora?= <joaotavora@HIDDEN>, 64714 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > >> C-c , is a nice unused prefix (picked arbitrarily) > Juri> A plus is that ‘C-c ,’ doesn't conflict with ‘C-c .’ in EDE. > Juri> Or maybe they are not used at the same time because Eglot > Juri> supersedes EDE? Then ‘C-c .’ could be considered as well. > > Tell me you donʼt use org without telling me you donʼt use org :-) > > C-c , runs the command org-priority (found in org-mode-map), which is > an interactive byte-compiled Lisp function in `org.el'. > > Although to be fair, org files and files where you enable eglot are > highly unlikely to overlap. I use Org, but didn't expect a prospect of enabling Eglot in Org.
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>>>>> On Tue, 18 Jul 2023 20:30:25 +0300, Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> sai=
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>> C-c , is a nice unused prefix (picked arbitrarily)
Juri> A plus is that =E2=80=98C-c ,=E2=80=99 doesn't conflict with =E2=
=80=98C-c .=E2=80=99 in EDE.
Juri> Or maybe they are not used at the same time because Eglot
Juri> supersedes EDE? Then =E2=80=98C-c .=E2=80=99 could be considered=
as well.
Tell me you don=CA=BCt use org without telling me you don=CA=BCt use org :-)
C-c , runs the command org-priority (found in org-mode-map), which is
an interactive byte-compiled Lisp function in `org.el'.
Although to be fair, org files and files where you enable eglot are
highly unlikely to overlap.
Robert
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Full text available.Received: (at 64714) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jul 2023 17:32:43 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jul 18 13:32:43 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54173 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1qLoYw-0005SP-U8 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2023 13:32:43 -0400 Received: from relay4-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.196]:60301) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <juri@HIDDEN>) id 1qLoYk-0005Rj-CF for 64714 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2023 13:32:37 -0400 Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E389BE0004; Tue, 18 Jul 2023 17:32:16 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> To: Spencer Baugh <sbaugh@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#64714: 29.0.92; Gently recommend some keybindings for Eglot in the manual In-Reply-To: <iersf9lw3mt.fsf@HIDDEN> (Spencer Baugh's message of "Tue, 18 Jul 2023 13:06:34 -0400") Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <iersf9lw3mt.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2023 20:30:25 +0300 Message-ID: <86h6q186vi.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/30.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GND-Sasl: juri@HIDDEN X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 64714 Cc: 64714 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jo=E3o_T=E1vora?= <joaotavora@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > C-c , is a nice unused prefix (picked arbitrarily) A plus is that ‘C-c ,’ doesn't conflict with ‘C-c .’ in EDE. Or maybe they are not used at the same time because Eglot supersedes EDE? Then ‘C-c .’ could be considered as well.
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OK, that's reasonable and good. However there are a few things which it would be nice to have keybindings for: - M-x eglot (i.e. starting eglot) - eglot-code-actions and eglot-code-action-* - eglot-rename - eglot-format-* I'm not saying we need to come up with permanent default bindings for these now. But it would be nice to have some vague hint in the documentation about what bindings users should use, and we can try a little bit to match those bindings when we eventually pick something. At the very least this will mean eglot users will mostly have the same bindings configured as each other, and if we're lucky we might eventually be able to standardize some of these bindings. And in particular, at my site we're starting to deploy eglot, and I am afraid of picking bindings for these things because I don't want to later change them on my users once upstream Emacs adds some. But at the same time I have users who like having keybindings for every single command, for better or for worse, and I don't want to tell them to come up with their own bindings which are different from everyone else. Maybe we could gently identify some bindings that might be good for these commands? C-c , is a nice unused prefix (picked arbitrarily), maybe bindings under that? Then we can document that people can configure those bindings themselves. We can always change our minds later, but at least eglot users will mostly agree between themselves. Also: can we make a preliminary decision whether people should be using eglot-ensure or should be manually running M-x eglot in each new file? Because if it's the latter, I think we should also have a binding for `eglot' eventually. It would be cute if C-c , on its globally ran eglot, then eglot-mode-map shadowed C-c , with the prefix bindings, I think that would be pretty intuitive. (There's also eglot-find-typeDefinition and eglot-find-implementation, but those we probably want to do through xref, sooner or later, so they'll show up with M-. or something.) 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Spencer Baugh <sbaugh@HIDDEN>:bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN.
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