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Jim Porter <jporterbugs@HIDDEN> writes:
> X-Debbugs-Cc: philipk@HIDDEN
>
> From the discussion in bug#64985, Eli mentioned that .elpaignore wasn't
> documented. (It turns out it's mentioned briefly in the GNU ELPA README, but
> that's the only place I could find.) Here's a small patch to document this in
> the Package section of the Emacs Lisp manual.
>
> This is just a first pass at documenting this feature, so I'm happy to add
> further details if anyone thinks it's warranted.
There was talk in this bug report about writing a new "package manual",
and Protesilaos volunteered to write a first draft.
But while we wait for that work to complete, is there any reason not to
install the below patch? Because we currently don't have any
documentation for .elpaignore, and it's kind of frustrating to have to
tell people that it exists over and over.
Thoughts/objections? Thanks in advance.
> From a5dc5f63003aea4bda4f382ec46c0556edb14f1a Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
> From: Jim Porter <jporterbugs@HIDDEN>
> Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 21:51:18 -0700
> Subject: [PATCH] * doc/lispref/package.texi (Multi-file Packages): Document
> ".elpaignore".
>
> ---
> doc/lispref/package.texi | 7 +++++++
> 1 file changed, 7 insertions(+)
>
> diff --git a/doc/lispref/package.texi b/doc/lispref/package.texi
> index 2952e7dfcfc..ce29b4be72a 100644
> --- a/doc/lispref/package.texi
> +++ b/doc/lispref/package.texi
> @@ -284,6 +284,13 @@ Multi-file Packages
> (expand-file-name file superfrobnicator-base))
> @end smallexample
>
> + If your project contains files that you don't wish to distribute to
> +users (e.g.@: regression tests), you can add them to an
> +@file{.elpaignore} file. In this file, each line lists a file or
> +wildcard matching files to ignore when producing your package's tar
> +file on ELPA. (ELPA will pass this file to @command{tar} with the
> +@code{-X} option.)
> +
> @node Package Archives
> @section Creating and Maintaining Package Archives
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I read the entire thread. I am willing to > contribute towards the creation of a new manual. As Stefan Monnier > noted earlier,[1] I think it is better to have it be about "Emacs > packages" with relevant subsections for where those are stored and how > they can be installed. > > How do we start? Perhaps someone can produce a draft to get things > going? I am happy to volunteer towards that end. Sounds like a plan. Thanks for working on this. > Should this be in .texi or can we do it in .org format? We generally prefer .texi, but either way is fine for a first draft. It's not crucial at this stage, and we can always convert it to another format later. The biggest work is in writing it.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#65027; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 65027) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Sep 2023 10:35:29 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 20 06:35:29 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58424 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1qiuYL-00051V-Gd for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2023 06:35:29 -0400 Received: from relay1-d.mail.gandi.net ([2001:4b98:dc4:8::221]:51231) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <info@HIDDEN>) id 1qiuYJ-00051F-Gb for 65027 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2023 06:35:28 -0400 Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0F509240008; Wed, 20 Sep 2023 10:35:09 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protesilaos.com; s=gm1; t=1695206112; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=8YVSL48SJEgkn1bomMmMtZsWJ1iq7upK3JWt8S8I2cI=; b=oezvzBE5xmnuTdduRACwChAScoBIniTQNUzHwmPI2i0yttq8Uf207jJkPc2skvPotzsluJ Fq3dRKkB1413q1Xe+ML7NzTWKaxjpmB0J4L3swkFFoOrMex+zmcnYQsO2wNXDiAv3Q5Td5 ESUlZIu196wBLXFK0Gsf2fMA7jPe63nLHXnNZJDjv7qXfzv1clx+F3gNN/cf+uYQOO0rmT l2bSz7WP8LGIdB6gtzYRYdi5O+CT9/iOoKV8jnVUHghgkINY8H9glNAjfIUIrrS0vTv/zY /XXMIKYI7WITs7M6PMj9OC9ZUET84QBaXdotNbToqd4dShwOhQ6954fhwCXoWA== From: Protesilaos Stavrou <info@HIDDEN> To: Jim Porter <jporterbugs@HIDDEN>, Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#65027: 30.0.50; [PATCH] Document .elpaignore behavior in the Emacs Lisp manual In-Reply-To: <992e75c0-32f1-c5bc-e7bd-00c4af5d875d@HIDDEN> References: <761581a0-fa77-e89c-01e8-d0baeae838f5@HIDDEN> <83cz04xzvk.fsf@HIDDEN> <jwvsf908d87.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <e1299ef1-9313-9ad0-1909-2b63c46e4d92@HIDDEN> <jwvmsz74ye5.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <4cf2941f-299c-fdb6-e2f5-375e8fc4e8e0@HIDDEN> <jwvtttf3g4w.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <b8cc991e-f4b7-23fe-ec34-424e63f6a9df@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmmq0oR93bbWpOUZ1uCgH7A-6pDn3NmV7LqLUNFdGbXqgQ@HIDDEN> <992e75c0-32f1-c5bc-e7bd-00c4af5d875d@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2023 13:35:08 +0300 Message-ID: <87editf7z7.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-GND-Sasl: info@HIDDEN X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 65027 Cc: corwin@HIDDEN, philipk@HIDDEN, 65027 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > From: Jim Porter <jporterbugs@HIDDEN> > Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2023 18:56:36 -0700 > > [... 14 lines elided] > > In another subthread for this bug, we'd discussed making a *new* manual > that discusses ELPA and/or creating packages for Emacs in general. If we > want to create such a manual, I think that's the place my patch should > go. However, I'm not sure what the status is on that; I have time to > help out with it, but not enough time to write a whole manual myself. > > I CCed some of the people discussing this into this subthread too. Sorry for the delay! I read the entire thread. I am willing to contribute towards the creation of a new manual. As Stefan Monnier noted earlier,[1] I think it is better to have it be about "Emacs packages" with relevant subsections for where those are stored and how they can be installed. How do we start? Perhaps someone can produce a draft to get things going? I am happy to volunteer towards that end. Should this be in .texi or can we do it in .org format? As always, we communicate with the maintainers before making any changes. Anything else we need to consider at this stage? -- Protesilaos Stavrou https://protesilaos.com
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#65027; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 65027) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Sep 2023 13:53:49 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 19 09:53:49 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55668 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1qibAj-00078i-62 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2023 09:53:49 -0400 Received: from relay9-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.199]:36645) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <info@HIDDEN>) id 1qibAh-00078V-OM for 65027 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2023 09:53:48 -0400 Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BB3AFFF80C; Tue, 19 Sep 2023 13:53:30 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protesilaos.com; s=gm1; t=1695131612; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=MHSgU7T5fm/L2KuKGZIYoNeNS26nIgdVFQrJH9de0/Q=; b=mMLVi2YSObcqhWuk+9vM63/sS8XJuEhTUi6Hq66Y7ma2UsB3e2OUnCU9+3irKE6Jg/WCMD Kn4DMs0mPhf+R/P8NoJlxBDbqn+UXNqObarxG5BsNePeNitwuips0emIZYcN7dnE/c3TzM ETvrLQV1W/gPAt/lk0EAYoQtZEjecABttPocXr50KbWTHumR9euHX5rMfiS9125D/ALUTo RMxLpg8/0tMVYCYBmXhgKj3qeDDNPVhBcO76Sg0rzVjJbuz6eAouTsW/ZKDaFZhTItNdBs AmVEpABQ8jvzliFsXSelVia5R127QVz71y3GdKw0HZSWd21HwHh2PuoJLEt6pA== From: Protesilaos Stavrou <info@HIDDEN> To: Corwin Brust <corwin@HIDDEN>, Jim Porter <jporterbugs@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#65027: 30.0.50; [PATCH] Document .elpaignore behavior in the Emacs Lisp manual In-Reply-To: <CAJf-WoSr_08O=DGcLFC0ru1x8kyvd567KASKL_2kX-jHCFxE9w@HIDDEN> References: <761581a0-fa77-e89c-01e8-d0baeae838f5@HIDDEN> <83cz04xzvk.fsf@HIDDEN> <jwvsf908d87.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <e1299ef1-9313-9ad0-1909-2b63c46e4d92@HIDDEN> <jwvmsz74ye5.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <4cf2941f-299c-fdb6-e2f5-375e8fc4e8e0@HIDDEN> <jwvtttf3g4w.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <b8cc991e-f4b7-23fe-ec34-424e63f6a9df@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmmq0oR93bbWpOUZ1uCgH7A-6pDn3NmV7LqLUNFdGbXqgQ@HIDDEN> <992e75c0-32f1-c5bc-e7bd-00c4af5d875d@HIDDEN> <CAJf-WoQ-=ffPyp=pRcZN9Vym_cCvOt+wTXTK8ficR_wVOS6d0g@HIDDEN> <CAJf-WoSr_08O=DGcLFC0ru1x8kyvd567KASKL_2kX-jHCFxE9w@HIDDEN> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2023 16:53:29 +0300 Message-ID: <87h6nqclra.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-GND-Sasl: info@HIDDEN X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 65027 Cc: philipk@HIDDEN, 65027 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN>, Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > From: Corwin Brust <corwin@HIDDEN> > Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2023 08:29:03 -0500 > > On Tue, Sep 5, 2023 at 9:22=E2=80=AFPM Corwin Brust <corwin@HIDDEN> wrote: >> >> I'm (still) interested in working on this. I haven't had another >> offline discussion on this since I last replied in. > > Prot and I have resumed the offline discussion we were having. > > He is catching up on a backlog of emails; I expect he will join this > conversation on-list by-and-by. Hello folks! I did not have electricity at home. Now I am back. Still need to read this thread though. All the best, Prot --=20 Protesilaos Stavrou https://protesilaos.com
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#65027; Package emacs.
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If we > want to create such a manual, I think that's the place my patch should > go. However, I'm not sure what the status is on that; I have time to > help out with it, but not enough time to write a whole manual myself. > > I CCed some of the people discussing this into this subthread too. > I'm (still) interested in working on this. I haven't had another offline discussion on this since I last replied in. Key points I observed from that thread were (1) preference for Packaging (not ELPA) as central topic, (2) expectation that we clearly define rules for where to put things, especially WRT to moving things already within some existing manual. My thoughts are in the direction of working on a "mission statement" and outline, as next steps. I hope having an outline will help make it possible to combine efforts from several contributors, there probably are not many people with time to sit down and write a whole manual :) BTW, just in case Someone=E2=84=A2 dies have time for this (and would find this easies to work on if left more greenfield), it won't hurt my feelings to have a "straw-dog" to discuss from, rather than starting from an outline and ground-rules, as I'm suggesting/assuming.
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> My/our suggestion is to create a new manual ("ELPA: the missing
> manual") that should be provided with Emacs releases, with the current
> version available online via gnu.org.
I tend to agree, and it shouldn't be about "ELPA" but about "Emacs
packages". It could have a "generic" part and then specific subsections
discussing details of specific cases such as ELPA tarballs, (Non)GNU
ELPA, Melpa, straight, etc...
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> From: Corwin Brust <corwin@HIDDEN>
> Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2023 21:36:45 -0500
> Cc: Jim Porter <jporterbugs@HIDDEN>, philipk@HIDDEN, eliz@HIDDEN,
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> My/our suggestion is to create a new manual ("ELPA: the missing
> manual") that should be provided with Emacs releases, with the current
> version available online via gnu.org.
If this is a replacement for the ELPA README, that'd be fine. But if
you intend to remove stuff from the ELisp manual into this new manual,
please be sure to coordinate with me first.
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On 8/4/2023 7:36 PM, Corwin Brust wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 8:58 PM Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN> wrote:
>>
>> I think there is no need for this material to be in the Emacs Lisp
>> Reference Manual. So I suggest making a separate short manual about
>> adding a package to GNU ELPA. The Emacs Lisp Reference Manual can
>> direct people to it.
>
> My/our suggestion is to create a new manual ("ELPA: the missing
> manual") that should be provided with Emacs releases, with the current
> version available online via gnu.org.
That makes sense to me. I'd be happy to help contribute to this new
manual if others have interest in helping to share the load.
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On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 8:58=E2=80=AFPM Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN> wrote=
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>
> > Yeah, something more general that I've noticed is that as a package
> > author, the documentation for how to make a package for GNU ELPA is
> > split between the GNU ELPA README and the Emacs Lisp manual.
>
> It could be an improvement to merge all that documentation into one
> text and rewrite it for coherence and clarity.
I have been discussing a similar ideal with some others off list, of
whom I'm tagging in (potentially sharing blame with ;) only prot.
> That has a drawback: it would make the Emacs Lisp Reference Manual
> substantially bigger. Copies would be less convenient and more
> expensive.
>
> I think there is no need for this material to be in the Emacs Lisp
> Reference Manual. So I suggest making a separate short manual about
> adding a package to GNU ELPA. The Emacs Lisp Reference Manual can
> direct people to it.
My/our suggestion is to create a new manual ("ELPA: the missing
manual") that should be provided with Emacs releases, with the current
version available online via gnu.org.
This new manual can start with some new (and/or moved, consolidated,
expanded, ...) sections aimed at Emacs users wanting a deeper
understanding of Emacs packaging. Following that, it can include some
specifics ("best practices"?) especially for package authors, with the
remainder being collected manuals for ELPA packages.
A slight twist on this idea could be to frame more generally, for
example "Emacs Features and Packaging" (instead of anything about
ELPA). This might allow
In any event, if this seems worth discussing further, I think work
could begin with agreeing on the specific (and probably rather narrow)
scope. I think we need, for example, to describe the criteria used to
decide what goes into the proposed addition manual. We might also
want to create a "rubric" (simple rule, or very simple flow chart)
that helps us understand when a feature's documentation will be in the
Emacs manual, the elisp manual, or this new manual, and so on, until
the task beings to look ominously do-able or all volunteers are scared
off >:)
Prot, am I right that you (still, also) have energy for something like
this? Other thoughts as you consider in the context of this thread?
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[76.168.148.233]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id 9-20020a17090a0cc900b002676e961261sm4714381pjt.1.2023.08.03.20.11.30 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 03 Aug 2023 20:11:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <b8cc991e-f4b7-23fe-ec34-424e63f6a9df@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2023 20:11:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: bug#65027: 30.0.50; [PATCH] Document .elpaignore behavior in the Emacs Lisp manual Content-Language: en-US To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> References: <761581a0-fa77-e89c-01e8-d0baeae838f5@HIDDEN> <83cz04xzvk.fsf@HIDDEN> <jwvsf908d87.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <e1299ef1-9313-9ad0-1909-2b63c46e4d92@HIDDEN> <jwvmsz74ye5.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <4cf2941f-299c-fdb6-e2f5-375e8fc4e8e0@HIDDEN> <jwvtttf3g4w.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> From: Jim Porter <jporterbugs@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <jwvtttf3g4w.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 65027 Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, philipk@HIDDEN, 65027 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On 8/3/2023 3:41 PM, Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors wrote: > Historically, the difference was between the format of the repository > (which only affected things like Melpa and (Non)GNU ELPA) and the format > of ELPA tarballs (which is what `package.el` dealt with). > > `package-vc` makes the repository format relevant to `package.el`. > But there might still be differences between what `package-vc` requires > and what (Non)GNU ELPA requires, beside the data actually maintained in > the (Non)GNU ELPA `elpa-packages`. Yeah. I do think as a package author who once wasn't sure about exactly what I should do to make my Emacs package follow best-practices, the first place I'd look is in the Package section of the Emacs Lisp manual (regardless of where the implementations for package management live). But, like you say, now that 'package-vc' exists, Emacs itself now knows (some) about the repo format, too. In any case, if there are no objections in the next day or two, I'll merge my patch, and then look into whether there are any other things worth documenting. (For example, I'll try to turn my suggested documentation on package naming[1] into a patch.) [1] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2023-05/msg00452.html
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>>> Maybe it would make sense to put all the documentation in the Emacs Lisp
>>> manual, and then the GNU ELPA README can be the home for documentation about
>>> how to work with the GNU ELPA repository specifically (mainly as an
>>> administrator).
>> FWIW, that's how it started. It's just that some of the conventions
>> originally used only in (Non)GNU ELPA have now made their way into
>> `package.el`.
>
> As a general guideline for documentation, I'm thinking that anything
> a package author puts in their own repository would get documented in the
> Emacs Lisp manual, whereas anything that goes in the (Non)GNU ELPA
> repository (e.g. in the elpa-packages file) goes in the ELPA README. That
> makes intuitive sense to me as a package author at least: then the Emacs
> Lisp manual would have everything I need to *prepare* my package for
> eventual inclusion in ELPA.
Historically, the difference was between the format of the repository
(which only affected things like Melpa and (Non)GNU ELPA) and the format
of ELPA tarballs (which is what `package.el` dealt with).
`package-vc` makes the repository format relevant to `package.el`.
But there might still be differences between what `package-vc` requires
and what (Non)GNU ELPA requires, beside the data actually maintained in
the (Non)GNU ELPA `elpa-packages`.
Stefan
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It's just that some of the conventions > originally used only in (Non)GNU ELPA have now made their way into > `package.el`. As a general guideline for documentation, I'm thinking that anything a package author puts in their own repository would get documented in the Emacs Lisp manual, whereas anything that goes in the (Non)GNU ELPA repository (e.g. in the elpa-packages file) goes in the ELPA README. That makes intuitive sense to me as a package author at least: then the Emacs Lisp manual would have everything I need to *prepare* my package for eventual inclusion in ELPA.
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> Maybe it would make sense to put all the documentation in the Emacs Lisp
> manual, and then the GNU ELPA README can be the home for documentation about
> how to work with the GNU ELPA repository specifically (mainly as an
> administrator).
FWIW, that's how it started. It's just that some of the conventions
originally used only in (Non)GNU ELPA have now made their way into
`package.el`.
> What do you think?
Any help cleaning this up is welcome.
Stefan
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(It turns out it's mentioned briefly in the GNU ELPA README, >>>> but that's the only place I could find.) >> That's because it was the only place where `.elpaignore` was >> used/obeyed >> (until the introduction of `package-vc`). > > Yeah, something more general that I've noticed is that as a package > author, the documentation for how to make a package for GNU ELPA is > split between the GNU ELPA README and the Emacs Lisp manual. I found > this a bit confusing when I prepared my first package for submission > to GNU ELPA, so (for example) I didn't learn about ".elpaignore" until > after I sent my package submission to emacs-devel. > > Maybe it would make sense to put all the documentation in the Emacs > Lisp manual, and then the GNU ELPA README can be the home for > documentation about how to work with the GNU ELPA repository > specifically (mainly as an administrator). What do you think? When I find some time, I plan to write and add a package to ELPA that could help automatise some of the necessary steps for contributing to ELPA (explaining the difference between GNU and NonGNU, signing the CA, testing for common mistakes, clean byte-compiling, etc.). It would be possible to also suggest creating a .elpaignore file as well. Of course, this does not mean there shouldn't be any guidelines written down in the manual.
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(It turns out it's mentioned briefly in the GNU ELPA README, >>> but that's the only place I could find.) > > That's because it was the only place where `.elpaignore` was used/obeyed > (until the introduction of `package-vc`). Yeah, something more general that I've noticed is that as a package author, the documentation for how to make a package for GNU ELPA is split between the GNU ELPA README and the Emacs Lisp manual. I found this a bit confusing when I prepared my first package for submission to GNU ELPA, so (for example) I didn't learn about ".elpaignore" until after I sent my package submission to emacs-devel. Maybe it would make sense to put all the documentation in the Emacs Lisp manual, and then the GNU ELPA README can be the home for documentation about how to work with the GNU ELPA repository specifically (mainly as an administrator). What do you think?
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>> From the discussion in bug#64985, Eli mentioned that .elpaignore wasn't
>> documented. (It turns out it's mentioned briefly in the GNU ELPA README,
>> but that's the only place I could find.)
That's because it was the only place where `.elpaignore` was used/obeyed
(until the introduction of `package-vc`).
Stefan
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[76.168.148.233]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id s1-20020a62e701000000b00687087d8bc3sm10720387pfh.141.2023.08.02.21.56.38 for <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN> (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 02 Aug 2023 21:56:38 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------07jTt0QLnxQ7UME5phg7gQvP" Message-ID: <761581a0-fa77-e89c-01e8-d0baeae838f5@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2023 21:56:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mozilla-News-Host: news://news.gmane.io:119 Content-Language: en-US To: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN From: Jim Porter <jporterbugs@HIDDEN> Subject: 30.0.50; [PATCH] Document .elpaignore behavior in the Emacs Lisp manual Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::22d; envelope-from=jporterbugs@HIDDEN; helo=mail-oi1-x22d.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------07jTt0QLnxQ7UME5phg7gQvP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Debbugs-Cc: philipk@HIDDEN From the discussion in bug#64985, Eli mentioned that .elpaignore wasn't documented. (It turns out it's mentioned briefly in the GNU ELPA README, but that's the only place I could find.) Here's a small patch to document this in the Package section of the Emacs Lisp manual. 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