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[76.168.148.233]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id cg11-20020a056a00290b00b0068c9fc82bfbsm8626271pfb.197.2023.09.05.18.56.37 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 05 Sep 2023 18:56:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <992e75c0-32f1-c5bc-e7bd-00c4af5d875d@HIDDEN> Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2023 18:56:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: bug#65027: 30.0.50; [PATCH] Document .elpaignore behavior in the Emacs Lisp manual Content-Language: en-US To: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN> References: <761581a0-fa77-e89c-01e8-d0baeae838f5@HIDDEN> <83cz04xzvk.fsf@HIDDEN> <jwvsf908d87.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <e1299ef1-9313-9ad0-1909-2b63c46e4d92@HIDDEN> <jwvmsz74ye5.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <4cf2941f-299c-fdb6-e2f5-375e8fc4e8e0@HIDDEN> <jwvtttf3g4w.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <b8cc991e-f4b7-23fe-ec34-424e63f6a9df@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmmq0oR93bbWpOUZ1uCgH7A-6pDn3NmV7LqLUNFdGbXqgQ@HIDDEN> From: Jim Porter <jporterbugs@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <CADwFkmmq0oR93bbWpOUZ1uCgH7A-6pDn3NmV7LqLUNFdGbXqgQ@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 65027 Cc: philipk@HIDDEN, 65027 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, info@HIDDEN, corwin@HIDDEN, Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On 9/3/2023 4:18 AM, Stefan Kangas wrote: > Jim Porter <jporterbugs@HIDDEN> writes: > >> In any case, if there are no objections in the next day or two, I'll merge my >> patch, and then look into whether there are any other things worth >> documenting. (For example, I'll try to turn my suggested documentation on >> package naming[1] into a patch.) >> >> [1] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2023-05/msg00452.html > > Was this installed? Otherwise, please go ahead. > > Your patch LGTM. In another subthread for this bug, we'd discussed making a *new* manual that discusses ELPA and/or creating packages for Emacs in general. If we want to create such a manual, I think that's the place my patch should go. However, I'm not sure what the status is on that; I have time to help out with it, but not enough time to write a whole manual myself. I CCed some of the people discussing this into this subthread too.
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Full text available.Received: (at 65027) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Aug 2023 06:45:37 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Aug 05 02:45:37 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55273 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1qSB2f-0001PQ-Cu for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2023 02:45:37 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:35948) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1qSB2d-0001PE-OA for 65027 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 Aug 2023 02:45:36 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1qSB2X-0001zg-Fi; Sat, 05 Aug 2023 02:45:29 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=IfoyK8PucY7iewaENUtJ898//hJ0VuEwijpWbbh4V50=; b=WtDfV8fjhDor kHphKSzq5RqoDxkFOAPITmDqtUlKirr1V3YY95OM7O5vUvGu7x5He4XnMItdX4qnFRCVO7O08xOL0 M9+GtD+NIUjUjTKO53OHMHICyJTf8BjuNUdNtvjXcPlfCM03tuduPnvyrQcYLnEPKJLpTXwvCOxnY OlAibSNaJSfrvXc+YeFuUXNCw3Lpckb/AslWdPuGD+qXZUxMLcxraCd7e8x1abJz+QOd1/3UWXT4G lMLsnVMSl9TPOzR53Vw3p6mr4k1jX/0yiPVr6CMxZ98SdNVXIMHAgo6ffqeKxD1IadZ2vwnmEvpXA TuPeWuvs0Vv5zGBmAsoDZw==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1qSB2Q-00053P-4k; Sat, 05 Aug 2023 02:45:23 -0400 Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2023 09:45:36 +0300 Message-Id: <83pm42t2b3.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Corwin Brust <corwin@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <CAJf-WoQUqeTAOO9buZSypSO5_0sVyx8CeY+hXA9E2BKAXqiHyw@HIDDEN> (message from Corwin Brust on Fri, 4 Aug 2023 21:36:45 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#65027: 30.0.50; [PATCH] Document .elpaignore behavior in the Emacs Lisp manual References: <761581a0-fa77-e89c-01e8-d0baeae838f5@HIDDEN> <83cz04xzvk.fsf@HIDDEN> <jwvsf908d87.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <e1299ef1-9313-9ad0-1909-2b63c46e4d92@HIDDEN> <E1qS6Z1-00042J-Qk@HIDDEN> <CAJf-WoQUqeTAOO9buZSypSO5_0sVyx8CeY+hXA9E2BKAXqiHyw@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 65027 Cc: jporterbugs@HIDDEN, philipk@HIDDEN, rms@HIDDEN, 65027 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, info@HIDDEN, monnier@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Corwin Brust <corwin@HIDDEN> > Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2023 21:36:45 -0500 > Cc: Jim Porter <jporterbugs@HIDDEN>, philipk@HIDDEN, eliz@HIDDEN, > monnier@HIDDEN, 65027 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > My/our suggestion is to create a new manual ("ELPA: the missing > manual") that should be provided with Emacs releases, with the current > version available online via gnu.org. If this is a replacement for the ELPA README, that'd be fine. But if you intend to remove stuff from the ELisp manual into this new manual, please be sure to coordinate with me first.
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So I suggest making a separate short manual about >> adding a package to GNU ELPA. The Emacs Lisp Reference Manual can >> direct people to it. > > My/our suggestion is to create a new manual ("ELPA: the missing > manual") that should be provided with Emacs releases, with the current > version available online via gnu.org. That makes sense to me. I'd be happy to help contribute to this new manual if others have interest in helping to share the load.
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Full text available.Received: (at 65027) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Aug 2023 02:37:04 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Aug 04 22:37:04 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55124 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1qS7A7-0000dD-K5 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2023 22:37:03 -0400 Received: from mail-oi1-f172.google.com ([209.85.167.172]:45484) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <mplscorwin@HIDDEN>) id 1qS7A6-0000cg-8F for 65027 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2023 22:37:02 -0400 Received: by mail-oi1-f172.google.com with SMTP id 5614622812f47-3a6f87b2993so2092159b6e.3 for <65027 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 04 Aug 2023 19:37:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1691203016; x=1691807816; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=oPFF7Ksw83+X3m7a5+jwTmtcofe2xTKBvMAXpzAvPBI=; b=PsZ8VN+U0OjLg4U0b/eoIrtGZdOPMK8RiaD7FM+aMLRfvvlmAr9IkJwGrUmGEc7+e+ 6WLOg3N5K5LDwm0gLSUVX69vu4gjXntIjhFrkW30hu3A48+RTNSjtOxocP6Lc/Ksed7J iGazBPaFPoaM5hB80qOPklfHlPHg3HYVRGyf0jlms5Yep00y9nBcjhGTP2EtkMqzfddu 8iIxKLptwOpDZfq0YtzKCQ1f7Tkwm0ABQjSQJTIE2D9tt0ASWiLgfanvBXOXb0eR3rV/ ts4QVKbqkxGNhv7xRhJOm9VIika520NX4l2+EdxUeX+FqXrgWF9SAJIrbYEiONsIyB2C Z+UA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yy41dn4tHAT0SDOfDcqf7b6lv4HviX3gt0eUqpNfn/TRJk+cNfW IeUn7+nn9acmXzDMn6wMoCDXign8qRZEW8cn8Lg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGKq7ZCJ6+3IsZmomWA4v3wiDXSeOfqAaWVdCejChY1qkjocRTeLQ6A3gHjG/Ff50FVW79aohJ8s4p6a4GZh4c= X-Received: by 2002:a54:4886:0:b0:3a7:238a:143e with SMTP id r6-20020a544886000000b003a7238a143emr3868074oic.2.1691203016390; Fri, 04 Aug 2023 19:36:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <761581a0-fa77-e89c-01e8-d0baeae838f5@HIDDEN> <83cz04xzvk.fsf@HIDDEN> <jwvsf908d87.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <e1299ef1-9313-9ad0-1909-2b63c46e4d92@HIDDEN> <E1qS6Z1-00042J-Qk@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <E1qS6Z1-00042J-Qk@HIDDEN> From: Corwin Brust <corwin@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2023 21:36:45 -0500 Message-ID: <CAJf-WoQUqeTAOO9buZSypSO5_0sVyx8CeY+hXA9E2BKAXqiHyw@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#65027: 30.0.50; [PATCH] Document .elpaignore behavior in the Emacs Lisp manual To: rms@HIDDEN, info@HIDDEN Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 65027 Cc: Jim Porter <jporterbugs@HIDDEN>, philipk@HIDDEN, 65027 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, eliz@HIDDEN, monnier@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 8:58=E2=80=AFPM Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN> wrote= : > > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > Yeah, something more general that I've noticed is that as a package > > author, the documentation for how to make a package for GNU ELPA is > > split between the GNU ELPA README and the Emacs Lisp manual. > > It could be an improvement to merge all that documentation into one > text and rewrite it for coherence and clarity. I have been discussing a similar ideal with some others off list, of whom I'm tagging in (potentially sharing blame with ;) only prot. > That has a drawback: it would make the Emacs Lisp Reference Manual > substantially bigger. Copies would be less convenient and more > expensive. > > I think there is no need for this material to be in the Emacs Lisp > Reference Manual. So I suggest making a separate short manual about > adding a package to GNU ELPA. The Emacs Lisp Reference Manual can > direct people to it. My/our suggestion is to create a new manual ("ELPA: the missing manual") that should be provided with Emacs releases, with the current version available online via gnu.org. This new manual can start with some new (and/or moved, consolidated, expanded, ...) sections aimed at Emacs users wanting a deeper understanding of Emacs packaging. Following that, it can include some specifics ("best practices"?) especially for package authors, with the remainder being collected manuals for ELPA packages. A slight twist on this idea could be to frame more generally, for example "Emacs Features and Packaging" (instead of anything about ELPA). This might allow In any event, if this seems worth discussing further, I think work could begin with agreeing on the specific (and probably rather narrow) scope. I think we need, for example, to describe the criteria used to decide what goes into the proposed addition manual. We might also want to create a "rubric" (simple rule, or very simple flow chart) that helps us understand when a feature's documentation will be in the Emacs manual, the elisp manual, or this new manual, and so on, until the task beings to look ominously do-able or all volunteers are scared off >:) Prot, am I right that you (still, also) have energy for something like this? Other thoughts as you consider in the context of this thread?
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Full text available.Received: (at 65027) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Aug 2023 01:58:54 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Aug 04 21:58:54 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55070 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1qS6ZB-00086T-Oz for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2023 21:58:54 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37636) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <rms@HIDDEN>) id 1qS6Z9-00086D-Jm for 65027 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Aug 2023 21:58:52 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <rms@HIDDEN>) id 1qS6Z3-0000BG-Ng; Fri, 04 Aug 2023 21:58:45 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=FTZ90M5Ovi93nFYgU7COQSgbW0KdnVWIA45letNMJkA=; b=pNcda1l3SZUr I7L/lWettVzotkAHV7Y+PNrOCI7aca446cZTjCaVoBq0chlLcBSpRh9d+8rH/JWMSzMa95+LGi7Xu 3N3FockaL6rKf64OfQ1UYpjK+WkiDYUTssp3+ePnH2VoNVsiFi9FSXTpqNTlhVCdRZQ4wy/HN8CR/ C+KMvpVUD2LfGMuNwoQ2fBtyyhDnvYHr6005FXt9RO/cVrA5xH+yWg6pZPDzvLzrjIJX7c82ETA4d eLCiLq/hhCB0mXJJJMFqpnq5R6XBTJOmz5T/ZsjrqavRf+a9C86jStnYU0CFUitQ4lNSYol/DOQWx PmDjfR8GwRrJ31JIWXkzbQ==; Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <rms@HIDDEN>) id 1qS6Z1-00042J-Qk; Fri, 04 Aug 2023 21:58:44 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN> To: Jim Porter <jporterbugs@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <e1299ef1-9313-9ad0-1909-2b63c46e4d92@HIDDEN> (message from Jim Porter on Thu, 3 Aug 2023 10:24:58 -0700) Subject: Re: bug#65027: 30.0.50; [PATCH] Document .elpaignore behavior in the Emacs Lisp manual References: <761581a0-fa77-e89c-01e8-d0baeae838f5@HIDDEN> <83cz04xzvk.fsf@HIDDEN> <jwvsf908d87.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <e1299ef1-9313-9ad0-1909-2b63c46e4d92@HIDDEN> Message-Id: <E1qS6Z1-00042J-Qk@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2023 21:58:43 -0400 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 65027 Cc: philipk@HIDDEN, eliz@HIDDEN, monnier@HIDDEN, 65027 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Reply-To: rms@HIDDEN Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Yeah, something more general that I've noticed is that as a package > author, the documentation for how to make a package for GNU ELPA is > split between the GNU ELPA README and the Emacs Lisp manual. It could be an improvement to merge all that documentation into one text and rewrite it for coherence and clarity. > Maybe it would make sense to put all the documentation in the Emacs Lisp > manual, That has a drawback: it would make the Emacs Lisp Reference Manual substantially bigger. Copies would be less convenient and more expensive. I think there is no need for this material to be in the Emacs Lisp Reference Manual. So I suggest making a separate short manual about adding a package to GNU ELPA. The Emacs Lisp Reference Manual can direct people to it. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)
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[76.168.148.233]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id 9-20020a17090a0cc900b002676e961261sm4714381pjt.1.2023.08.03.20.11.30 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 03 Aug 2023 20:11:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <b8cc991e-f4b7-23fe-ec34-424e63f6a9df@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2023 20:11:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: bug#65027: 30.0.50; [PATCH] Document .elpaignore behavior in the Emacs Lisp manual Content-Language: en-US To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> References: <761581a0-fa77-e89c-01e8-d0baeae838f5@HIDDEN> <83cz04xzvk.fsf@HIDDEN> <jwvsf908d87.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <e1299ef1-9313-9ad0-1909-2b63c46e4d92@HIDDEN> <jwvmsz74ye5.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <4cf2941f-299c-fdb6-e2f5-375e8fc4e8e0@HIDDEN> <jwvtttf3g4w.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> From: Jim Porter <jporterbugs@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <jwvtttf3g4w.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 65027 Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, philipk@HIDDEN, 65027 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On 8/3/2023 3:41 PM, Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors wrote: > Historically, the difference was between the format of the repository > (which only affected things like Melpa and (Non)GNU ELPA) and the format > of ELPA tarballs (which is what `package.el` dealt with). > > `package-vc` makes the repository format relevant to `package.el`. > But there might still be differences between what `package-vc` requires > and what (Non)GNU ELPA requires, beside the data actually maintained in > the (Non)GNU ELPA `elpa-packages`. Yeah. I do think as a package author who once wasn't sure about exactly what I should do to make my Emacs package follow best-practices, the first place I'd look is in the Package section of the Emacs Lisp manual (regardless of where the implementations for package management live). But, like you say, now that 'package-vc' exists, Emacs itself now knows (some) about the repo format, too. In any case, if there are no objections in the next day or two, I'll merge my patch, and then look into whether there are any other things worth documenting. (For example, I'll try to turn my suggested documentation on package naming[1] into a patch.) [1] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2023-05/msg00452.html
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It's just that some of the conventions >> originally used only in (Non)GNU ELPA have now made their way into >> `package.el`. > > As a general guideline for documentation, I'm thinking that anything > a package author puts in their own repository would get documented in the > Emacs Lisp manual, whereas anything that goes in the (Non)GNU ELPA > repository (e.g. in the elpa-packages file) goes in the ELPA README. That > makes intuitive sense to me as a package author at least: then the Emacs > Lisp manual would have everything I need to *prepare* my package for > eventual inclusion in ELPA. Historically, the difference was between the format of the repository (which only affected things like Melpa and (Non)GNU ELPA) and the format of ELPA tarballs (which is what `package.el` dealt with). `package-vc` makes the repository format relevant to `package.el`. But there might still be differences between what `package-vc` requires and what (Non)GNU ELPA requires, beside the data actually maintained in the (Non)GNU ELPA `elpa-packages`. Stefan
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[76.168.148.233]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id 8-20020a17090a19c800b002690aa4c292sm351239pjj.39.2023.08.03.15.02.13 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 03 Aug 2023 15:02:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4cf2941f-299c-fdb6-e2f5-375e8fc4e8e0@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2023 15:02:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: bug#65027: 30.0.50; [PATCH] Document .elpaignore behavior in the Emacs Lisp manual Content-Language: en-US To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> References: <761581a0-fa77-e89c-01e8-d0baeae838f5@HIDDEN> <83cz04xzvk.fsf@HIDDEN> <jwvsf908d87.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <e1299ef1-9313-9ad0-1909-2b63c46e4d92@HIDDEN> <jwvmsz74ye5.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> From: Jim Porter <jporterbugs@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <jwvmsz74ye5.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 65027 Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, philipk@HIDDEN, 65027 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On 8/3/2023 2:21 PM, Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors wrote: >> Maybe it would make sense to put all the documentation in the Emacs Lisp >> manual, and then the GNU ELPA README can be the home for documentation about >> how to work with the GNU ELPA repository specifically (mainly as an >> administrator). > > FWIW, that's how it started. It's just that some of the conventions > originally used only in (Non)GNU ELPA have now made their way into > `package.el`. As a general guideline for documentation, I'm thinking that anything a package author puts in their own repository would get documented in the Emacs Lisp manual, whereas anything that goes in the (Non)GNU ELPA repository (e.g. in the elpa-packages file) goes in the ELPA README. That makes intuitive sense to me as a package author at least: then the Emacs Lisp manual would have everything I need to *prepare* my package for eventual inclusion in ELPA.
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Full text available.Received: (at 65027) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Aug 2023 21:21:56 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Aug 03 17:21:56 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53043 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1qRflc-0001Ud-A2 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Aug 2023 17:21:56 -0400 Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:35656) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <monnier@HIDDEN>) id 1qRfla-0001UR-98 for 65027 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Aug 2023 17:21:54 -0400 Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id D515B44477A; Thu, 3 Aug 2023 17:21:48 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1691097707; bh=OEuUzAPapBwsbYPPoVbRTIMfbjZN5aMfhsfFni85ToU=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=fFHjh/VJH/Dy3OVeJ248URxngiaeBIJnfd2XDOR1BmGtkDSauhK0mPN00A3vbp2M7 SnKxFj2scZJk3Fnq9YnEetziDzIAaFhGAeMqmwq9iWyefOv0faNy7eN5e9n5VlKLpw 9A3ksikAV2fmmcjyI9bzLWfO4CC0n7eX0O0suOsK4M6YZVcCUd2y7eGVIQU8jU3IQ8 uJU44OcaC5b7+SaeKvV2S+XeIth/XQQBGXYMW6PSKp7L7EgszsmQIpobdp5gKD6Tb4 CRW1cPZMzgc3r5YduIHfc6bew2eqzrNsexTUvMi5XeHc3pM+XNzXZcmhqFmNR4i4zB o0fgfrn0UvvXw== Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 5C47A444777; Thu, 3 Aug 2023 17:21:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alfajor (unknown [181.44.118.150]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2A1141201B6; Thu, 3 Aug 2023 17:21:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> To: Jim Porter <jporterbugs@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#65027: 30.0.50; [PATCH] Document .elpaignore behavior in the Emacs Lisp manual In-Reply-To: <e1299ef1-9313-9ad0-1909-2b63c46e4d92@HIDDEN> (Jim Porter's message of "Thu, 3 Aug 2023 10:24:58 -0700") Message-ID: <jwvmsz74ye5.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> References: <761581a0-fa77-e89c-01e8-d0baeae838f5@HIDDEN> <83cz04xzvk.fsf@HIDDEN> <jwvsf908d87.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <e1299ef1-9313-9ad0-1909-2b63c46e4d92@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2023 17:21:44 -0400 User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-SPAM-INFO: Spam detection results: 0 ALL_TRUSTED -1 Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP AWL 0.012 Adjusted score from AWL reputation of From: address BAYES_00 -1.9 Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% DKIM_SIGNED 0.1 Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid DKIM_VALID -0.1 Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature DKIM_VALID_AU -0.1 Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain DKIM_VALID_EF -0.1 Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from envelope-from domain T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE -0.01 - X-SPAM-LEVEL: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 65027 Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, philipk@HIDDEN, 65027 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Maybe it would make sense to put all the documentation in the Emacs Lisp > manual, and then the GNU ELPA README can be the home for documentation about > how to work with the GNU ELPA repository specifically (mainly as an > administrator). FWIW, that's how it started. It's just that some of the conventions originally used only in (Non)GNU ELPA have now made their way into `package.el`. > What do you think? Any help cleaning this up is welcome. Stefan
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Full text available.Received: (at 65027) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Aug 2023 19:09:51 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Aug 03 15:09:51 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52954 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1qRdhm-0006af-Q8 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Aug 2023 15:09:51 -0400 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:52677) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <philipk@HIDDEN>) id 1qRdhl-0006aS-9L for 65027 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Aug 2023 15:09:49 -0400 Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B919F240104 for <65027 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 3 Aug 2023 21:09:43 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1691089783; bh=JDuujOziQsxxGnwVLuGcOraeEepAJhPI19i3arv6K98=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Autocrypt:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:From; b=fV2ul0e2pMVL0Evxg+Ru2tlUFNizOXQNzxtacI6+YDjN2uep7Tj+0WRt1iDo0XIfA fkGsVumWGArbsN4Fj2OqPhu4GJ5AVNnTe0f3L33U+NeE1daR5OKFLu1j3I60P5TcL7 1qYxvGigX5IqjneJAkL12i2jYTIm3F+jDEZdqEvMUPBuufwXoPvmhqKICDcIADCcYa Ln4XWccV36zZqeVYahK2GfpD/HjjLTl9p1QArZt59SOkGkfyOvhnpq05qfijSfKLBX uRsZvxxMnT1Kx+Z+aHIFde/aq/Kehp0Ac4eGAXt94wPx7AIuw40WHy7tk4IIJ26qzH OChf3sqycYdWA== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4RGz1L5qYjz6txy; Thu, 3 Aug 2023 21:09:42 +0200 (CEST) From: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN> To: Jim Porter <jporterbugs@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#65027: 30.0.50; [PATCH] Document .elpaignore behavior in the Emacs Lisp manual In-Reply-To: <e1299ef1-9313-9ad0-1909-2b63c46e4d92@HIDDEN> (Jim Porter's message of "Thu, 3 Aug 2023 10:24:58 -0700") References: <761581a0-fa77-e89c-01e8-d0baeae838f5@HIDDEN> <83cz04xzvk.fsf@HIDDEN> <jwvsf908d87.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <e1299ef1-9313-9ad0-1909-2b63c46e4d92@HIDDEN> Autocrypt: addr=philipk@HIDDEN; keydata= mDMEZBBQQhYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdAHJuofBrfqFh12uQu0Yi7mrl525F28eTmwUDflFNmdui0QlBo aWxpcCBLYWx1ZGVyY2ljIChnZW5lcmF0ZWQgYnkgYXV0b2NyeXB0LmVsKSA8cGhpbGlwa0Bwb3N0 ZW8ubmV0PoiWBBMWCAA+FiEEDg7HY17ghYlni8XN8xYDWXahwukFAmQQUEICGwMFCQHhM4AFCwkI BwIGFQoJCAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQ8xYDWXahwulikAEA77hloUiSrXgFkUVJhlKBpLCHUjA0 mWZ9j9w5d08+jVwBAK6c4iGP7j+/PhbkxaEKa4V3MzIl7zJkcNNjHCXmvFcEuDgEZBBQQhIKKwYB BAGXVQEFAQEHQI5NLiLRjZy3OfSt1dhCmFyn+fN/QKELUYQetiaoe+MMAwEIB4h+BBgWCAAmFiEE Dg7HY17ghYlni8XN8xYDWXahwukFAmQQUEICGwwFCQHhM4AACgkQ8xYDWXahwukm+wEA8cml4JpK NeAu65rg+auKrPOP6TP/4YWRCTIvuYDm0joBALw98AMz7/qMHvSCeU/hw9PL6u6R2EScxtpKnWof z4oM Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2023 19:09:41 +0000 Message-ID: <87r0okq6x6.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 65027 Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN>, 65027 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) Jim Porter <jporterbugs@HIDDEN> writes: > On 8/3/2023 6:36 AM, Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the > Swiss army knife of text editors wrote: >>>> From the discussion in bug#64985, Eli mentioned that .elpaignore wasn't >>>> documented. (It turns out it's mentioned briefly in the GNU ELPA README, >>>> but that's the only place I could find.) >> That's because it was the only place where `.elpaignore` was >> used/obeyed >> (until the introduction of `package-vc`). > > Yeah, something more general that I've noticed is that as a package > author, the documentation for how to make a package for GNU ELPA is > split between the GNU ELPA README and the Emacs Lisp manual. I found > this a bit confusing when I prepared my first package for submission > to GNU ELPA, so (for example) I didn't learn about ".elpaignore" until > after I sent my package submission to emacs-devel. > > Maybe it would make sense to put all the documentation in the Emacs > Lisp manual, and then the GNU ELPA README can be the home for > documentation about how to work with the GNU ELPA repository > specifically (mainly as an administrator). What do you think? When I find some time, I plan to write and add a package to ELPA that could help automatise some of the necessary steps for contributing to ELPA (explaining the difference between GNU and NonGNU, signing the CA, testing for common mistakes, clean byte-compiling, etc.). It would be possible to also suggest creating a .elpaignore file as well. Of course, this does not mean there shouldn't be any guidelines written down in the manual.
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[76.168.148.233]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id q24-20020a62e118000000b006826df9e286sm115288pfh.143.2023.08.03.10.24.56 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 03 Aug 2023 10:24:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <e1299ef1-9313-9ad0-1909-2b63c46e4d92@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2023 10:24:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: bug#65027: 30.0.50; [PATCH] Document .elpaignore behavior in the Emacs Lisp manual Content-Language: en-US To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> References: <761581a0-fa77-e89c-01e8-d0baeae838f5@HIDDEN> <83cz04xzvk.fsf@HIDDEN> <jwvsf908d87.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> From: Jim Porter <jporterbugs@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <jwvsf908d87.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 65027 Cc: philipk@HIDDEN, 65027 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On 8/3/2023 6:36 AM, Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors wrote: >>> From the discussion in bug#64985, Eli mentioned that .elpaignore wasn't >>> documented. (It turns out it's mentioned briefly in the GNU ELPA README, >>> but that's the only place I could find.) > > That's because it was the only place where `.elpaignore` was used/obeyed > (until the introduction of `package-vc`). Yeah, something more general that I've noticed is that as a package author, the documentation for how to make a package for GNU ELPA is split between the GNU ELPA README and the Emacs Lisp manual. I found this a bit confusing when I prepared my first package for submission to GNU ELPA, so (for example) I didn't learn about ".elpaignore" until after I sent my package submission to emacs-devel. Maybe it would make sense to put all the documentation in the Emacs Lisp manual, and then the GNU ELPA README can be the home for documentation about how to work with the GNU ELPA repository specifically (mainly as an administrator). What do you think?
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