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https://issues.guix.gnu.org/ cannot be accessed through Tor

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Package: guix; Severity: serious; Reported by: Altadil <Altadil@HIDDEN>; dated Fri, 4 Aug 2023 16:59:02 UTC; Maintainer for guix is bug-guix@HIDDEN.

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From: Ricardo Wurmus <rekado@HIDDEN>
To: Giovanni Biscuolo <g@HIDDEN>
Subject: Re: bug#65056: https://issues.guix.gnu.org/ cannot be accessed
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Giovanni Biscuolo <g@HIDDEN> writes:

> Anyway the DoS Attack protection of the network hosting ci.guix.gnu.org
> /seems/ problematic: how could it be that home IP resposible of a DoS
> attack?  Was it a false positive or was it some temporary problem from
> the originating IP network?

IT had installed some DoS attack protection thing for the DMZ with
different thresholds based on past access patterns.

Upon my request they have now disabled this completely for our IPs
corresponding to ci.guix.gnu.org and its sibling node.

-- 
Ricardo




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Hi!

Ludovic Court=C3=A8s <ludo@HIDDEN> writes:

> Ricardo Wurmus <rekado@HIDDEN> skribis:
>
>> Ludovic Court=C3=A8s <ludo@HIDDEN> writes:
>>
>>> I confirm that I still get the problem right now from my home network,
>>> without even really trying: [=E2=80=A6]
>>
>> Is that through Tor or just your ISP?
>
> It=E2=80=99s just my ISP, no Tor involved.  I can share privately my home=
 IP
> address if that helps investigate the problem; let me know.

Given that Altadil told that the service now can be accessed through Tor
again, can we close this specific bug now?

It would be good to have some feedback from the NOC, just to know /how/
it was resolved (or was just a temporary tech issue), for example that
they do not have a policy to blacklist Tor and whitelist it on demand
(I'm just guessing).

What Ludovic found, anyway, is another issue and we should investigate
if it is worth a new bug report.

I've tested now with the same
  wget -qO- --debug http://ci.guix.gnu.org | tail
and all seems fine from my ISP (now)

Anyway the DoS Attack protection of the network hosting ci.guix.gnu.org
/seems/ problematic: how could it be that home IP resposible of a DoS
attack?  Was it a false positive or was it some temporary problem from
the originating IP network?

We should carefully track this network issues since they have a great
impact on user experience.


Thanks! Gio'

=2D-=20
Giovanni Biscuolo

Xelera IT Infrastructures

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Hi,

it seems https://issues.guix.gnu.org can again be accessed when using Tor B=
rowser.

Kind regards,
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Ricardo Wurmus <rekado@HIDDEN> skribis:

> Ludovic Court=C3=A8s <ludo@HIDDEN> writes:
>
>> I confirm that I still get the problem right now from my home network,
>> without even really trying: [=E2=80=A6]
>
> Is that through Tor or just your ISP?

It=E2=80=99s just my ISP, no Tor involved.  I can share privately my home IP
address if that helps investigate the problem; let me know.

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Ludovic Court=C3=A8s <ludo@HIDDEN> writes:

> I confirm that I still get the problem right now from my home network,
> without even really trying: [=E2=80=A6]

Is that through Tor or just your ISP?

--=20
Ricardo




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Hi,

Ricardo Wurmus <rekado@HIDDEN> skribis:

> Ludovic Court=C3=A8s <ludo@HIDDEN> writes:
>
>> Hello!
>>
>> Ricardo Wurmus <rekado@HIDDEN> skribis:
>>
>>> I don=E2=80=99t know.  I=E2=80=99m on holidays now, but I=E2=80=99ve op=
ened yet another ticket
>>> to get a definitive answer to my more elaborate variant of =E2=80=9CWTF=
?=E2=80=9D.
>>
>> Did you eventually get feedback from them?
>
> I got one response to ask for more information, which I supplied.
> Nothing since.  I requested a response just now.

I confirm that I still get the problem right now from my home network,
without even really trying:

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
$ wget -qO- --debug http://ci.guix.gnu.org |tail
DEBUG output created by Wget 1.21.3.24-2b723 on linux-gnu.

Reading HSTS entries from /home/ludo/.wget-hsts
URI encoding =3D =E2=80=98UTF-8=E2=80=99
Caching ci.guix.gnu.org =3D> 141.80.181.40
Created socket 3.
Releasing 0x00000000017a8e00 (new refcount 1).

---request begin---
GET / HTTP/1.1
Host: ci.guix.gnu.org
User-Agent: Wget/1.21.3.24-2b723
Accept: */*
Accept-Encoding: identity
Connection: Keep-Alive

---request end---

---response begin---
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Content-Length: 4401
Connection: Close
Cache-Control: no-cache
Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dutf-8
X-Frame-Options: SAMEORIGIN

---response end---
URI content encoding =3D =E2=80=98utf-8=E2=80=99
Closed fd 3
Saving HSTS entries to /home/ludo/.wget-hsts
        </style>
        <title>Attack Detected</title>
    </head>
    <body><div class=3D"message-container">
    <div class=3D"logo"></div>
    <h1>Blocked because of DoS Attack</h1>
    <p>Your computer has been blocked because a DoS attack originating from=
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trator.</p>
</div></body>
</html>
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

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Hi Ricardo,

Ricardo Wurmus <rekado@HIDDEN> writes:

> Ludovic Court=C3=A8s <ludo@HIDDEN> writes:
>
>> Hello!
>>
>> Ricardo Wurmus <rekado@HIDDEN> skribis:
>>
>>> I don=E2=80=99t know.  I=E2=80=99m on holidays now, but I=E2=80=99ve op=
ened yet another ticket
>>> to get a definitive answer to my more elaborate variant of =E2=80=9CWTF=
?=E2=80=9D.
>>
>> Did you eventually get feedback from them?
>
> I got one response to ask for more information, which I supplied.
> Nothing since.  I requested a response just now.
>
>> If not, we can start looking for a way to move public-facing services
>> elsewhere.  (It may not be trivial because bayfront, which is the other
>> node we=E2=80=99ve traditionally used for that, is super busy these days=
.)
>
> Yeah, I=E2=80=99d really like this to be fixed.  It worked pretty well for
> years, so these seemingly unnecessary changes and the way they are
> applied without any recourse (and without anyone being able to confirm
> that they have in fact changed somehing) really bother me.

Agreed; I think it's premature to jump ship when we've had such a long
and fruitful relationship; let's show some patience and tenacity toward
a resolution.

--=20
Thanks,
Maxim




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Ludovic Court=C3=A8s <ludo@HIDDEN> writes:

> Hello!
>
> Ricardo Wurmus <rekado@HIDDEN> skribis:
>
>> I don=E2=80=99t know.  I=E2=80=99m on holidays now, but I=E2=80=99ve ope=
ned yet another ticket
>> to get a definitive answer to my more elaborate variant of =E2=80=9CWTF?=
=E2=80=9D.
>
> Did you eventually get feedback from them?

I got one response to ask for more information, which I supplied.
Nothing since.  I requested a response just now.

> If not, we can start looking for a way to move public-facing services
> elsewhere.  (It may not be trivial because bayfront, which is the other
> node we=E2=80=99ve traditionally used for that, is super busy these days.)

Yeah, I=E2=80=99d really like this to be fixed.  It worked pretty well for
years, so these seemingly unnecessary changes and the way they are
applied without any recourse (and without anyone being able to confirm
that they have in fact changed somehing) really bother me.

But if our public services keep getting restricted I agree that we
should look for an alternative way to host them.

--=20
Ricardo




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Hello!

Ricardo Wurmus <rekado@HIDDEN> skribis:

> I don=E2=80=99t know.  I=E2=80=99m on holidays now, but I=E2=80=99ve open=
ed yet another ticket
> to get a definitive answer to my more elaborate variant of =E2=80=9CWTF?=
=E2=80=9D.

Did you eventually get feedback from them?

If not, we can start looking for a way to move public-facing services
elsewhere.  (It may not be trivial because bayfront, which is the other
node we=E2=80=99ve traditionally used for that, is super busy these days.)

Thanks again for your support=E2=80=A6

Ludo=E2=80=99.




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Tobias Geerinckx-Rice <me@HIDDEN> writes:

> On 13 August 2023 00:25:51 UTC, "Ludovic Court=C3=A8s" <ludo@HIDDEN> wro=
te:
>>I think it=E2=80=99s worse than this.  I noticed that ci.guix.gnu.org (sa=
me
>>machine) would occasionally time out on my side, without Tor, starting
>>from this week (I was on vacation before, so I don=E2=80=99t know exactly=
 when
>>it started).  From a browser, I get this =E2=80=9CDoS attack=E2=80=9D HTM=
L page:
>
> Oh, wow.  This is new to me.
>
> It's frustrating that $IT keeps adding new significant hurdles with
> apparently 0 communications, and that our only option is often 'ask
> rekado, again, to ask things, again'.  That's not right.
>
> Ricardo, do you think there's a chance this trend will improve (without y=
ou burning out)?

I don=E2=80=99t know.  I=E2=80=99m on holidays now, but I=E2=80=99ve opened=
 yet another ticket
to get a definitive answer to my more elaborate variant of =E2=80=9CWTF?=E2=
=80=9D.

> Otherwise, I'd like to suggest wireguarding berlin's impressive
> hardware resources to bayfront or to a new head node not hosted at the
> MDC, or something similarly provocative.  Just give up on hosting
> public services there, like we already migrated the home page.  This
> isn't meaningful redundancy.

Good plan.

Sorry about this.  It=E2=80=99s frustrating, and I=E2=80=99m stocking up on=
 towels to
throw.

--=20
Ricardo




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On 13 August 2023 00:25:51 UTC, "Ludovic Court=C3=A8s" <ludo@gnu=2Eorg> wro=
te:
>I think it=E2=80=99s worse than this=2E  I noticed that ci=2Eguix=2Egnu=
=2Eorg (same
>machine) would occasionally time out on my side, without Tor, starting
>from this week (I was on vacation before, so I don=E2=80=99t know exactly=
 when
>it started)=2E  From a browser, I get this =E2=80=9CDoS attack=E2=80=9D H=
TML page:

Oh, wow=2E  This is new to me=2E

It's frustrating that $IT keeps adding new significant hurdles with appare=
ntly 0 communications, and that our only option is often 'ask rekado, again=
, to ask things, again'=2E  That's not right=2E

Ricardo, do you think there's a chance this trend will improve (without yo=
u burning out)?

Otherwise, I'd like to suggest wireguarding berlin's impressive hardware r=
esources to bayfront or to a new head node not hosted at the MDC, or someth=
ing similarly provocative=2E  Just give up on hosting public services there=
, like we already migrated the home page=2E  This isn't meaningful redundan=
cy=2E


Kind regards,

T G-R

Sent on the go=2E  Excuse or enjoy my brevity=2E




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bug#65056; Package guix. Full text available.
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Hi,

(Cc: guix-sysadmin.)

Tobias Geerinckx-Rice <me@HIDDEN> skribis:

> On 2023-08-04 18:57, Altadil via Bug reports for GNU Guix wrote:

[...]

>> The result is an error message saying:=E2=80=AF"The connection has timed=
 out".
>> It looks like a general block of Tor rather than a block of specific
>> IPs, since attempting with different Tor circuits does not change the
>
> The Guix project does not block Tor.  If the datacentre has decided to
> block Tor like it blocked most of Russia, there is little we can do
> but ask them to reconsider.

I think it=E2=80=99s worse than this.  I noticed that ci.guix.gnu.org (same
machine) would occasionally time out on my side, without Tor, starting
from this week (I was on vacation before, so I don=E2=80=99t know exactly w=
hen
it started).  From a browser, I get this =E2=80=9CDoS attack=E2=80=9D HTML =
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        </style>
        <title>Attack Detected</title>
    </head>
    <body><div class=3D"message-container">
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Some firewall-ish network equipment must be sitting right before our
machine.  It=E2=80=99s a problem because fetching narinfos and nars is like=
ly to
count as a =E2=80=9CDoS attack=E2=80=9D.

Could it be some change at the MDC?

Thanks,
Ludo=E2=80=99.

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On 2023-08-04 21:21, Tobias Geerinckx-Rice via Bug reports for GNU Guix 
wrote:
> The Guix project does not block Tor.  If the datacentre has decided to
> block Tor like it blocked most of Russia, there is little we can do
> but ask them to reconsider.

Didn't mean to sound quite so fatalistic.  We could always migrate 
issues. to a different machine, like guix.gnu.org was, but it's not very 
satisfying.

Kind regards,

T G-R

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Hi Altadil,

On 2023-08-04 18:57, Altadil via Bug reports for GNU Guix wrote:
> it is no longer possible to get to the bug database at
> https://issues.guix.gnu.org/ when using Tor Browser.

I forgot to mention this on IRC, but issues. is ‘simply’ a nicer unified 
frontend to the venerable GNU Debbugs instance.  You can use its own[1] 
interface[2] as a work-around.

> The result is an error message saying: "The connection has timed out".
> It looks like a general block of Tor rather than a block of specific
> IPs, since attempting with different Tor circuits does not change the

The Guix project does not block Tor.  If the datacentre has decided to 
block Tor like it blocked most of Russia, there is little we can do but 
ask them to reconsider.

Kind regards,

T G-R

Sent from a Web browser.  Excuse or enjoy my brevity.

[1]: https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/pkgreport.cgi?package=guix
[2]: https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/pkgreport.cgi?package=guix-patches




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Hi,
it is no longer possible to get to the bug database at https://issues.guix.=
gnu.org/ when using Tor Browser. The result is an error message saying:=
=E2=80=AF"The connection has timed out".
It looks like a general block of Tor rather than a block of specific IPs, s=
ince attempting with different Tor circuits does not change the result.

Best regards,
Altadil




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