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https://issues.guix.gnu.org/ cannot be accessed through Tor

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Message #5 received at submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Altadil <Altadil <at> protonmail.com>
To: "bug-guix <at> gnu.org" <bug-guix <at> gnu.org>
Subject: https://issues.guix.gnu.org/ cannot be accessed through Tor
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2023 16:57:43 +0000

Hi,
it is no longer possible to get to the bug database at https://issues.guix.gnu.org/ when using Tor Browser. The result is an error message saying: "The connection has timed out".
It looks like a general block of Tor rather than a block of specific IPs, since attempting with different Tor circuits does not change the result.

Best regards,
Altadil

Message #8 received at 65056 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Tobias Geerinckx-Rice <me <at> tobias.gr>
To: Altadil <Altadil <at> protonmail.com>
Cc: 65056 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#65056: https://issues.guix.gnu.org/ cannot be accessed
 through Tor
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2023 21:21:33 +0200

Hi Altadil,

On 2023-08-04 18:57, Altadil via Bug reports for GNU Guix wrote:
> it is no longer possible to get to the bug database at
> https://issues.guix.gnu.org/ when using Tor Browser.

I forgot to mention this on IRC, but issues. is ‘simply’ a nicer unified 
frontend to the venerable GNU Debbugs instance.  You can use its own[1] 
interface[2] as a work-around.

> The result is an error message saying: "The connection has timed out".
> It looks like a general block of Tor rather than a block of specific
> IPs, since attempting with different Tor circuits does not change the

The Guix project does not block Tor.  If the datacentre has decided to 
block Tor like it blocked most of Russia, there is little we can do but 
ask them to reconsider.

Kind regards,

T G-R

Sent from a Web browser.  Excuse or enjoy my brevity.

[1]: https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/pkgreport.cgi?package=guix
[2]: https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/pkgreport.cgi?package=guix-patches

Message #11 received at 65056 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Tobias Geerinckx-Rice <me <at> tobias.gr>
To: Tobias Geerinckx-Rice <me <at> tobias.gr>
Cc: Altadil <Altadil <at> protonmail.com>, 65056 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#65056: https://issues.guix.gnu.org/ cannot be accessed
 through Tor
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2023 21:29:06 +0200

On 2023-08-04 21:21, Tobias Geerinckx-Rice via Bug reports for GNU Guix 
wrote:
> The Guix project does not block Tor.  If the datacentre has decided to
> block Tor like it blocked most of Russia, there is little we can do
> but ask them to reconsider.

Didn't mean to sound quite so fatalistic.  We could always migrate 
issues. to a different machine, like guix.gnu.org was, but it's not very 
satisfying.

Kind regards,

T G-R

Sent from a Web browser.  Excuse or enjoy my brevity.

Message #14 received at 65056 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Ludovic Courtès <ludo <at> gnu.org>
To: Tobias Geerinckx-Rice <me <at> tobias.gr>
Cc: guix-sysadmin <guix-sysadmin <at> gnu.org>, Altadil <Altadil <at> protonmail.com>,
 65056 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#65056: https://issues.guix.gnu.org/ cannot be accessed
 through Tor
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2023 02:25:51 +0200

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Hi,

(Cc: guix-sysadmin.)

Tobias Geerinckx-Rice <me <at> tobias.gr> skribis:

> On 2023-08-04 18:57, Altadil via Bug reports for GNU Guix wrote:

[...]

>> The result is an error message saying: "The connection has timed out".
>> It looks like a general block of Tor rather than a block of specific
>> IPs, since attempting with different Tor circuits does not change the
>
> The Guix project does not block Tor.  If the datacentre has decided to
> block Tor like it blocked most of Russia, there is little we can do
> but ask them to reconsider.

I think it’s worse than this.  I noticed that ci.guix.gnu.org (same
machine) would occasionally time out on my side, without Tor, starting
from this week (I was on vacation before, so I don’t know exactly when
it started).  From a browser, I get this “DoS attack” HTML page:

[ci.guix-dos-attack.png (image/png, inline)]

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The HTML doesn’t contain clues as to where it originates from.

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
$ wget -qO- http://ci.guix.gnu.org | tail
        </style>
        <title>Attack Detected</title>
    </head>
    <body><div class="message-container">
    <div class="logo"></div>
    <h1>Blocked because of DoS Attack</h1>
    <p>Your computer has been blocked because a DoS attack originating from your system was detected. For more information, contact the system administrator.</p>
</div></body>
</html>
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

Some firewall-ish network equipment must be sitting right before our
machine.  It’s a problem because fetching narinfos and nars is likely to
count as a “DoS attack”.

Could it be some change at the MDC?

Thanks,
Ludo’.

Message #19 received at 65056 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Tobias Geerinckx-Rice <me <at> tobias.gr>
To: Ludovic Courtès <ludo <at> gnu.org>, rekado <at> elephly.net
Cc: guix-sysadmin <guix-sysadmin <at> gnu.org>, Altadil <Altadil <at> protonmail.com>,
 65056 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#65056: https://issues.guix.gnu.org/ cannot be accessed through Tor
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2023 11:46:52 +0000

On 13 August 2023 00:25:51 UTC, "Ludovic Courtès" <ludo <at> gnu.org> wrote:
>I think it’s worse than this.  I noticed that ci.guix.gnu.org (same
>machine) would occasionally time out on my side, without Tor, starting
>from this week (I was on vacation before, so I don’t know exactly when
>it started).  From a browser, I get this “DoS attack” HTML page:

Oh, wow.  This is new to me.

It's frustrating that $IT keeps adding new significant hurdles with apparently 0 communications, and that our only option is often 'ask rekado, again, to ask things, again'.  That's not right.

Ricardo, do you think there's a chance this trend will improve (without you burning out)?

Otherwise, I'd like to suggest wireguarding berlin's impressive hardware resources to bayfront or to a new head node not hosted at the MDC, or something similarly provocative.  Just give up on hosting public services there, like we already migrated the home page.  This isn't meaningful redundancy.


Kind regards,

T G-R

Sent on the go.  Excuse or enjoy my brevity.

Message #22 received at 65056 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Ricardo Wurmus <rekado <at> elephly.net>
To: Tobias Geerinckx-Rice <me <at> tobias.gr>
Cc: guix-sysadmin <guix-sysadmin <at> gnu.org>,
 Ludovic Courtès <ludo <at> gnu.org>,
 Altadil <Altadil <at> protonmail.com>, 65056 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#65056: https://issues.guix.gnu.org/ cannot be accessed
 through Tor
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2023 11:07:26 +0200

Tobias Geerinckx-Rice <me <at> tobias.gr> writes:

> On 13 August 2023 00:25:51 UTC, "Ludovic Courtès" <ludo <at> gnu.org> wrote:
>>I think it’s worse than this.  I noticed that ci.guix.gnu.org (same
>>machine) would occasionally time out on my side, without Tor, starting
>>from this week (I was on vacation before, so I don’t know exactly when
>>it started).  From a browser, I get this “DoS attack” HTML page:
>
> Oh, wow.  This is new to me.
>
> It's frustrating that $IT keeps adding new significant hurdles with
> apparently 0 communications, and that our only option is often 'ask
> rekado, again, to ask things, again'.  That's not right.
>
> Ricardo, do you think there's a chance this trend will improve (without you burning out)?

I don’t know.  I’m on holidays now, but I’ve opened yet another ticket
to get a definitive answer to my more elaborate variant of “WTF?”.

> Otherwise, I'd like to suggest wireguarding berlin's impressive
> hardware resources to bayfront or to a new head node not hosted at the
> MDC, or something similarly provocative.  Just give up on hosting
> public services there, like we already migrated the home page.  This
> isn't meaningful redundancy.

Good plan.

Sorry about this.  It’s frustrating, and I’m stocking up on towels to
throw.

-- 
Ricardo

Message #25 received at 65056 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Ludovic Courtès <ludo <at> gnu.org>
To: Ricardo Wurmus <rekado <at> elephly.net>
Cc: 65056 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Tobias Geerinckx-Rice <me <at> tobias.gr>,
 guix-sysadmin <guix-sysadmin <at> gnu.org>, Altadil <Altadil <at> protonmail.com>
Subject: Re: bug#65056: https://issues.guix.gnu.org/ cannot be accessed
 through Tor
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2023 22:24:15 +0200

Hello!

Ricardo Wurmus <rekado <at> elephly.net> skribis:

> I don’t know.  I’m on holidays now, but I’ve opened yet another ticket
> to get a definitive answer to my more elaborate variant of “WTF?”.

Did you eventually get feedback from them?

If not, we can start looking for a way to move public-facing services
elsewhere.  (It may not be trivial because bayfront, which is the other
node we’ve traditionally used for that, is super busy these days.)

Thanks again for your support…

Ludo’.

Message #28 received at 65056 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Ricardo Wurmus <rekado <at> elephly.net>
To: Ludovic Courtès <ludo <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 65056 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Tobias Geerinckx-Rice <me <at> tobias.gr>,
 guix-sysadmin <guix-sysadmin <at> gnu.org>, Altadil <Altadil <at> protonmail.com>
Subject: Re: bug#65056: https://issues.guix.gnu.org/ cannot be accessed
 through Tor
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2023 10:02:59 +0200

Ludovic Courtès <ludo <at> gnu.org> writes:

> Hello!
>
> Ricardo Wurmus <rekado <at> elephly.net> skribis:
>
>> I don’t know.  I’m on holidays now, but I’ve opened yet another ticket
>> to get a definitive answer to my more elaborate variant of “WTF?”.
>
> Did you eventually get feedback from them?

I got one response to ask for more information, which I supplied.
Nothing since.  I requested a response just now.

> If not, we can start looking for a way to move public-facing services
> elsewhere.  (It may not be trivial because bayfront, which is the other
> node we’ve traditionally used for that, is super busy these days.)

Yeah, I’d really like this to be fixed.  It worked pretty well for
years, so these seemingly unnecessary changes and the way they are
applied without any recourse (and without anyone being able to confirm
that they have in fact changed somehing) really bother me.

But if our public services keep getting restricted I agree that we
should look for an alternative way to host them.

-- 
Ricardo

Message #31 received at 65056 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Maxim Cournoyer <maxim.cournoyer <at> gmail.com>
To: Ricardo Wurmus <rekado <at> elephly.net>
Cc: 65056 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Ludovic Courtès <ludo <at> gnu.org>,
 Tobias Geerinckx-Rice <me <at> tobias.gr>, guix-sysadmin <guix-sysadmin <at> gnu.org>,
 Altadil <Altadil <at> protonmail.com>
Subject: Re: bug#65056: https://issues.guix.gnu.org/ cannot be accessed
 through Tor
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2023 09:06:38 -0400

Hi Ricardo,

Ricardo Wurmus <rekado <at> elephly.net> writes:

> Ludovic Courtès <ludo <at> gnu.org> writes:
>
>> Hello!
>>
>> Ricardo Wurmus <rekado <at> elephly.net> skribis:
>>
>>> I don’t know.  I’m on holidays now, but I’ve opened yet another ticket
>>> to get a definitive answer to my more elaborate variant of “WTF?”.
>>
>> Did you eventually get feedback from them?
>
> I got one response to ask for more information, which I supplied.
> Nothing since.  I requested a response just now.
>
>> If not, we can start looking for a way to move public-facing services
>> elsewhere.  (It may not be trivial because bayfront, which is the other
>> node we’ve traditionally used for that, is super busy these days.)
>
> Yeah, I’d really like this to be fixed.  It worked pretty well for
> years, so these seemingly unnecessary changes and the way they are
> applied without any recourse (and without anyone being able to confirm
> that they have in fact changed somehing) really bother me.

Agreed; I think it's premature to jump ship when we've had such a long
and fruitful relationship; let's show some patience and tenacity toward
a resolution.

-- 
Thanks,
Maxim

Message #34 received at 65056 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Ludovic Courtès <ludo <at> gnu.org>
To: Ricardo Wurmus <rekado <at> elephly.net>
Cc: Altadil <Altadil <at> protonmail.com>, Tobias Geerinckx-Rice <me <at> tobias.gr>,
 guix-sysadmin <guix-sysadmin <at> gnu.org>, 65056 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#65056: https://issues.guix.gnu.org/ cannot be accessed
 through Tor
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2023 23:25:52 +0200

Hi,

Ricardo Wurmus <rekado <at> elephly.net> skribis:

> Ludovic Courtès <ludo <at> gnu.org> writes:
>
>> Hello!
>>
>> Ricardo Wurmus <rekado <at> elephly.net> skribis:
>>
>>> I don’t know.  I’m on holidays now, but I’ve opened yet another ticket
>>> to get a definitive answer to my more elaborate variant of “WTF?”.
>>
>> Did you eventually get feedback from them?
>
> I got one response to ask for more information, which I supplied.
> Nothing since.  I requested a response just now.

I confirm that I still get the problem right now from my home network,
without even really trying:

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
$ wget -qO- --debug http://ci.guix.gnu.org |tail
DEBUG output created by Wget 1.21.3.24-2b723 on linux-gnu.

Reading HSTS entries from /home/ludo/.wget-hsts
URI encoding = ‘UTF-8’
Caching ci.guix.gnu.org => 141.80.181.40
Created socket 3.
Releasing 0x00000000017a8e00 (new refcount 1).

---request begin---
GET / HTTP/1.1
Host: ci.guix.gnu.org
User-Agent: Wget/1.21.3.24-2b723
Accept: */*
Accept-Encoding: identity
Connection: Keep-Alive

---request end---

---response begin---
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Content-Length: 4401
Connection: Close
Cache-Control: no-cache
Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
X-Frame-Options: SAMEORIGIN

---response end---
URI content encoding = ‘utf-8’
Closed fd 3
Saving HSTS entries to /home/ludo/.wget-hsts
        </style>
        <title>Attack Detected</title>
    </head>
    <body><div class="message-container">
    <div class="logo"></div>
    <h1>Blocked because of DoS Attack</h1>
    <p>Your computer has been blocked because a DoS attack originating from your system was detected. For more information, contact the system administrator.</p>
</div></body>
</html>
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

Ludo’.

Message #37 received at 65056 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Ricardo Wurmus <rekado <at> elephly.net>
To: Ludovic Courtès <ludo <at> gnu.org>
Cc: Altadil <Altadil <at> protonmail.com>, Tobias Geerinckx-Rice <me <at> tobias.gr>,
 guix-sysadmin <guix-sysadmin <at> gnu.org>, 65056 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#65056: https://issues.guix.gnu.org/ cannot be accessed
 through Tor
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2023 09:41:52 +0200

Ludovic Courtès <ludo <at> gnu.org> writes:

> I confirm that I still get the problem right now from my home network,
> without even really trying: […]

Is that through Tor or just your ISP?

-- 
Ricardo

Message #40 received at 65056 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Ludovic Courtès <ludo <at> gnu.org>
To: Ricardo Wurmus <rekado <at> elephly.net>
Cc: 65056 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Tobias Geerinckx-Rice <me <at> tobias.gr>,
 Altadil <Altadil <at> protonmail.com>, guix-sysadmin <guix-sysadmin <at> gnu.org>
Subject: Re: bug#65056: https://issues.guix.gnu.org/ cannot be accessed
 through Tor
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 11:51:21 +0200

Ricardo Wurmus <rekado <at> elephly.net> skribis:

> Ludovic Courtès <ludo <at> gnu.org> writes:
>
>> I confirm that I still get the problem right now from my home network,
>> without even really trying: […]
>
> Is that through Tor or just your ISP?

It’s just my ISP, no Tor involved.  I can share privately my home IP
address if that helps investigate the problem; let me know.

Ludo’.

Message #43 received at 65056 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Altadil <Altadil <at> protonmail.com>
To: "65056 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" <65056 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
Subject: https://issues.guix.gnu.org available through Tor again
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 20:31:04 +0000

Hi,

it seems https://issues.guix.gnu.org can again be accessed when using Tor Browser.

Kind regards,
Altadil

Message #46 received at 65056 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Giovanni Biscuolo <g <at> xelera.eu>
To: Ludovic Courtès <ludo <at> gnu.org>,
 Ricardo Wurmus <rekado <at> elephly.net>
Cc: 65056 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Tobias Geerinckx-Rice <me <at> tobias.gr>,
 Altadil <Altadil <at> protonmail.com>, guix-sysadmin <guix-sysadmin <at> gnu.org>
Subject: Re: bug#65056: https://issues.guix.gnu.org/ cannot be accessed
 through Tor
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2023 23:31:18 +0200

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Hi!

Ludovic Courtès <ludo <at> gnu.org> writes:

> Ricardo Wurmus <rekado <at> elephly.net> skribis:
>
>> Ludovic Courtès <ludo <at> gnu.org> writes:
>>
>>> I confirm that I still get the problem right now from my home network,
>>> without even really trying: […]
>>
>> Is that through Tor or just your ISP?
>
> It’s just my ISP, no Tor involved.  I can share privately my home IP
> address if that helps investigate the problem; let me know.

Given that Altadil told that the service now can be accessed through Tor
again, can we close this specific bug now?

It would be good to have some feedback from the NOC, just to know /how/
it was resolved (or was just a temporary tech issue), for example that
they do not have a policy to blacklist Tor and whitelist it on demand
(I'm just guessing).

What Ludovic found, anyway, is another issue and we should investigate
if it is worth a new bug report.

I've tested now with the same
  wget -qO- --debug http://ci.guix.gnu.org | tail
and all seems fine from my ISP (now)

Anyway the DoS Attack protection of the network hosting ci.guix.gnu.org
/seems/ problematic: how could it be that home IP resposible of a DoS
attack?  Was it a false positive or was it some temporary problem from
the originating IP network?

We should carefully track this network issues since they have a great
impact on user experience.


Thanks! Gio'

-- 
Giovanni Biscuolo

Xelera IT Infrastructures

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Message #49 received at 65056 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Ricardo Wurmus <rekado <at> elephly.net>
To: Giovanni Biscuolo <g <at> xelera.eu>
Cc: 65056 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Ludovic Courtès <ludo <at> gnu.org>,
 Tobias Geerinckx-Rice <me <at> tobias.gr>, Altadil <Altadil <at> protonmail.com>,
 guix-sysadmin <guix-sysadmin <at> gnu.org>
Subject: Re: bug#65056: https://issues.guix.gnu.org/ cannot be accessed
 through Tor
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2023 00:45:42 +0200

Giovanni Biscuolo <g <at> xelera.eu> writes:

> Anyway the DoS Attack protection of the network hosting ci.guix.gnu.org
> /seems/ problematic: how could it be that home IP resposible of a DoS
> attack?  Was it a false positive or was it some temporary problem from
> the originating IP network?

IT had installed some DoS attack protection thing for the DMZ with
different thresholds based on past access patterns.

Upon my request they have now disabled this completely for our IPs
corresponding to ci.guix.gnu.org and its sibling node.

-- 
Ricardo

Message #52 received at 65056 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Giovanni Biscuolo <g <at> xelera.eu>
To: Ricardo Wurmus <rekado <at> elephly.net>
Cc: Ludovic Courtès <ludo <at> gnu.org>,
 guix-sysadmin <guix-sysadmin <at> gnu.org>, 65056 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#65056: https://issues.guix.gnu.org/ cannot be accessed
 through Tor
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2023 08:27:32 +0200

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Hello,

Ricardo Wurmus <rekado <at> elephly.net> writes:

[...]

> IT had installed some DoS attack protection thing for the DMZ with
> different thresholds based on past access patterns.

Probably some of us is using access patterns the "thing" considers
DoS :-)

> Upon my request they have now disabled this completely for our IPs
> corresponding to ci.guix.gnu.org and its sibling node.

Thanks a lot!  We should probably consider this (disable any firewall
protection) as a requirement when one or more of our public facing hosts
firewalling is not under our direct control.

Now we only have berlin and bayfront as public facing hosts... but for
example milan.guix-1 is connected by our build farm via its public IP
(ehrm, time to set up wireguard for that, too).

Anyway, AFAIU this "thing" in berlin network is no more an issue, we do
not need a new bug report IMO.

Thank you!

[...]

-- 
Giovanni Biscuolo

Xelera IT Infrastructures

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Message #57 received at 65056-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Giovanni Biscuolo <g <at> xelera.eu>
To: Altadil <Altadil <at> protonmail.com>, 65056-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#65056: https://issues.guix.gnu.org available through Tor again
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2023 08:29:20 +0200

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Altadil via Bug reports for GNU Guix <bug-guix <at> gnu.org> writes:

> Hi,
>
> it seems https://issues.guix.gnu.org can again be accessed when using
> Tor Browser.

Thank you!  I'm closing this bug, feel free to reopen it if needed.

Best regards, Gio'

-- 
Giovanni Biscuolo

Xelera IT Infrastructures

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Message #60 received at 65056 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Ludovic Courtès <ludo <at> gnu.org>
To: Ricardo Wurmus <rekado <at> elephly.net>
Cc: Giovanni Biscuolo <g <at> xelera.eu>, Tobias Geerinckx-Rice <me <at> tobias.gr>,
 Altadil <Altadil <at> protonmail.com>, 65056 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,
 guix-sysadmin <guix-sysadmin <at> gnu.org>
Subject: Re: bug#65056: https://issues.guix.gnu.org/ cannot be accessed
 through Tor
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2023 10:48:05 +0200

Hello,

Ricardo Wurmus <rekado <at> elephly.net> skribis:

> IT had installed some DoS attack protection thing for the DMZ with
> different thresholds based on past access patterns.
>
> Upon my request they have now disabled this completely for our IPs
> corresponding to ci.guix.gnu.org and its sibling node.

I’m late to the party but this is excellent news, thank you!

I guess we can close the issue now, right?

Ludo’.

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