Received: (at 65391) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Sep 2023 23:36:37 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Sep 11 19:36:37 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55194 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1qfqSK-0000Gl-Ml for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2023 19:36:37 -0400 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.4]:37579) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <arne_bab@HIDDEN>) id 1qfqSG-0000GV-Eb for 65391 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2023 19:36:34 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=s29768273; t=1694475363; x=1695080163; i=arne_bab@HIDDEN; bh=BSKQXkAOP5hRkvOd4uJMe/yNnibZv5MMx5iwej7MUZY=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:References:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-reply-to; b=KS3N39jVakaXWcZ7MxWEvVZADaDw1QSk3znhXX9QKDZyPREQ7tYekxWIPOe9DnXZ/1dqwim WGrNVVydltBu2GnpxgIHeQI2HINDpxFSNiFFwv6qz44jW91WivsS06oDkfcRbax1fTHgxzKtb FBbKnMS0Vg+A0R46temYAeGwW2x4LfekPN4mAv/pcjq9CeS+75gjvnccpzuv64mo851e5UqsR l/gTxkfcdiLlxv4NKu2VxbBP5yO2EaZWWejNbZ1E+1SSdJA6HJP1JBqfar2g2v2xmEGMoNC2H gVH4FgeoxoYSrvBEzgEYpxedGl8yt9iyKJ5+PJKityWMVtevrmtA== X-UI-Sender-Class: 814a7b36-bfc1-4dae-8640-3722d8ec6cd6 Received: from fluss ([80.136.24.98]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb005 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MC0PR-1qTRRW2B8X-00CZpI; Tue, 12 Sep 2023 01:36:03 +0200 References: <295ef8c8-574a-4169-98f3-6d9aaeb773f1@HIDDEN> <handler.65391.B.169248925726403.ack <at> debbugs.gnu.org> <6a62aced-9138-0496-fb01-d5d8e89ba8d6@HIDDEN> <87h6ohc3gk.fsf@HIDDEN> <ac627ec6-f21a-fd24-1151-b47d6d2c84b3@HIDDEN> <87zg296z7y.fsf@HIDDEN> <871qfkg65s.fsf@HIDDEN> <87pm2ukxn5.fsf@HIDDEN> <874jk183wx.fsf@HIDDEN> <87fs3kizd9.fsf@HIDDEN> User-agent: mu4e 1.10.5; emacs 29.0.92 From: "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" <arne_bab@HIDDEN> To: Simon Tournier <zimon.toutoune@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#65391: Acknowledgement (People need to report failing builds even though we have ci.guix.gnu.org for that) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2023 01:12:39 +0200 In-reply-to: <87fs3kizd9.fsf@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <87v8cg7068.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:yM2TlFtrZJHQ8tDouPqdgwvErCAQazcejwVpR3PHeYI6ac71ECb IVyjykU7vXZ2o1dexhAslU1FzSy6Tf36U6aQPVBPz6TXQL9FYL4deDeE4n4MpA1LiM2tTgo gJpXj0g/i2CF+lzFRaAZ1cq/GRLe65Mw6zE926U3CqMcz7Q6QAr80ekmFvICBzMrQWHK8Y1 B42OEre7So7438yY/dhqQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:70QpUoXrf5c=;smM+8qJ1IPq5NHVi5UvKwlq/oxJ RvmKU6GTsIjOJw+k+rsgtoeuQh8SWPpQFPle4G03P7MWpZ04AoDfb6XkCFvtfbGdjwG0hC8kk bVdnVx1ak/qkh6pgtyoEgB8PyEZVD1QybfqdIvlbgEhbv32Rr/v6UST6+GA86r2UytdF8htQn vhmb2BgdFCjIeVdpLO5ubfr1B8mJU3ocj6OLjiAS6RlKnSl4ChjFbvASQezhQTLzQ1QNk2uiH jbR6Vo9tC7gz72zouWrSta9dN9WVxqyT/dQf0rasvD/bZqehOn7XzhVQX1RiB32M94NarBpx0 GMxX7UVT24t55ThGpxOYdpWcyYV75dnNeU573mrbQHdgWM+kiHhy6Y80KmMLE3PDX1iNJT40m gO7RczB69/D23C1rdIxzj3UwDiWEiMA90ukKwmaTy5dT7M74YdHzHutL1B6OCu/NGSSwGEmtT qIpNaUyS6oI6qEDUae4NEld6M1RtymC+lk3fPlcA4KcskOOpkJ3qh0PS9GXxWzXC3cavHolGA koSIiltSzKmyMcPBECOQrcngbrhQ2QlYZuOlSEsVHCDNn6YnnryVRoQLa0mqI99Gow0DtTa5/ pHRT4pglaZcZTvYnSJbCHcaEYcwinmGeJi7jFS3cKvpE2E5npemfRIuoZ0Qz4LJqpqIg7CIHf hWkC0fYHOwDD7sLTxsWtvMUDEzcPICrPp5PNfe1UGe3yBFyvyXgxPmhKxXHs9KQODic2w/gIt 9+LGvYKRkIuTmnQ2nPYXE0IzviSE1J3L6P2beazUtG3CpXf9tME4Ioeurl3ExRGsRVFUYuTO1 S9U6/t4yoj6hWRiLb1YiZ9P5x0f6KIrB4rnEdE4/s/X/4+Us9t5KI/lZ7XfqnJPZDXtccVxje W+E7rPTC8baW6xQI5oWVVAGMXFPIlMneG+McWwqyR+C2r7HLUsdpEzpZ/XkwRdcRPtydnX5fY JcYvR7o/eaQEjfBVr1Q62Ut1k1k= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 65391 Cc: Maxim Cournoyer <maxim.cournoyer@HIDDEN>, 65391 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, maximedevos@HIDDEN, iyzsong@HIDDEN, mirai@HIDDEN, atai@HIDDEN, raingloom@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I=E2=80=99m skipping a lot to get only to the most important points (save t= ime for us all). Simon Tournier <zimon.toutoune@HIDDEN> writes: > Instead, it is QA that builds =E2=80=9Cpre-commit=E2=80=9C (patches). Th= anks to > tireless Chris=E2=80=99s work since years, we have some tools for monitor= ing the > impact of one change on the whole package set. Somehow, if I have > correctly understood, QA uses the Build Coordinator to list all the > derivations and then build all the new ones generated by the change. > > So the answer to your question is yes. :-) Aside, help is welcome for > improving QA. So something was missing there that let the change to the ocaml package slip through this january. This should have raised red flags somewhere. Do we have documentation on the process? (link?) >> Since a manifest is strictly dependent on all packages defined in it, >> removing a single referenced package means that the manifest is broken: >> no update works anymore. No security updates come in anymore =E2=80=94 e= ven if >> the package in question worked locally. This is a situation we should >> not cause. =E2=80=A6 > What I am proposing is: if the same package is still failing after > several X <duration> or attempts, then we mark it as =E2=80=98broken=E2= =80=99 and it > becomes a candidate for a removal. People who care raise their hand. > And we have a better idea about the real status. This means with the current functionality that the manifest is broken at that point. Nothing can be updated anymore. I=E2=80=99ve been in that situa= tion a few times already with broken packages and it caused weeks of not being able to update because I didn=E2=80=99t have the time to investigate. That=E2=80=99s why I wrote the following: > If we had a way to have placeholder packages (similar to the renamings) > that emit warnings for missing packages but do not break the build, that > would reduce the damage done by removing a package. But I think such a > mechanism must be in place and tested before adding a rule to remove > packages. This would cause us to collect a slowly growing list of removed packages that will be ignored (except for the warning) in manifests. That way we would avoid breaking the setup when removing a package. (define-public-removed the-package-variable (removed-package (name "the-package-name") (reason-for-removal "upstream stopped working a decade ago"))) The key difference between your scenario "some package is broken and I cannot install it" and my scenario "I have a package in my manifest that gets removed, breaking my manifest" is that mine is much more painful because an update breaks changing a working system. In my scenario I don=E2=80=99t just see "oh, this doesn=E2=80=99t work, let= =E2=80=99s choose another way", but a way I=E2=80=99ve been using and building on gets broken. Also I experienced that at least twice already. That I had to go and investigate before I could add a package to my manifest, because the manifest was broken by a removed package. In at least one instance I had not been able to update for several weeks before that and didn=E2=80=99t ha= ve time and energy to investigate. Once I had missed that my system had not updated in months, because I did reconfigure in a cron job and a removed package had broken /etc/config.scm And we actually select for such breakage, because I cannot see locally whether a package failed on CI, so while I can see (and have to fix) packages that fail locally, on-CI-failures are invisible. So instead of removing a package, I think the first step in a process should be to warn everyone with that package in the manifest that it=E2=80= =99s broken on CI =E2=87=92 add a warning to that package, like the rename warni= ngs. If no one takes it up for a few months, replace it with a removed-package placeholder that warns to clean up the manifest. And just keep that placeholder in place to avoid breaking manifests. 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Full text available.Received: (at 65391) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Sep 2023 21:54:19 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Sep 11 17:54:19 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55021 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1qforK-0006Te-Qk for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2023 17:54:19 -0400 Received: from mx1.riseup.net ([198.252.153.129]:41334) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <raingloom@HIDDEN>) id 1qforH-0006TP-MF for 65391 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2023 17:54:17 -0400 Received: from fews01-sea.riseup.net (fews01-sea-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.109]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Rl0q0317lzDqpk; Mon, 11 Sep 2023 21:54:04 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1694469244; bh=VFnbbwQVpaaVytEXLWPbZRiEdqYPURceem5lydwcN7w=; h=References:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-reply-to:From; b=JvmngJ88i7t6da5ojFjZ4s3cwc29u1Ui4HeDyYigNedfpdg9cvEehJ+XfgCKYIKTR QosK+L1ZQ5Fxn8v0oUGp2+9P6mLw+lxJlERjcXoVeOyv4XwXdsW49A3CVQU7IBXTGy NrRDbjBLiNczPFdziTV6eBZE0jkhCFSxLSlzU4NE= X-Riseup-User-ID: DE162F03906072BB61502A1A7A4CB16A3DC65A58995EB50573781F68854437CE Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews01-sea.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4Rl0py5Ps1zJq9Z; Mon, 11 Sep 2023 21:54:02 +0000 (UTC) References: <295ef8c8-574a-4169-98f3-6d9aaeb773f1@HIDDEN> <handler.65391.B.169248925726403.ack <at> debbugs.gnu.org> <6a62aced-9138-0496-fb01-d5d8e89ba8d6@HIDDEN> <87h6ohc3gk.fsf@HIDDEN> <87tts6kym3.fsf@HIDDEN> <cuc34zl6u64.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAJ3okZ1XsNiTr6V4b0ogzVbrrXwfhfssWxEFS5q3BuD-Y1xX3Q@HIDDEN> From: Csepp <raingloom@HIDDEN> To: Simon Tournier <zimon.toutoune@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: People need to report failing builds even though we have ci.guix.gnu.org for that Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2023 23:52:16 +0200 In-reply-to: <CAJ3okZ1XsNiTr6V4b0ogzVbrrXwfhfssWxEFS5q3BuD-Y1xX3Q@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <cucedj4v0ju.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 65391 Cc: Maxim Cournoyer <maxim.cournoyer@HIDDEN>, 65391 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Maxime Devos <maximedevos@HIDDEN>, =?utf-8?B?5a6L5paH?= =?utf-8?B?5q2m?= <iyzsong@HIDDEN>, Bruno Victal <mirai@HIDDEN>, Andy Tai <atai@HIDDEN>, Csepp <raingloom@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Simon Tournier <zimon.toutoune@HIDDEN> writes: > Hi, > > On Mon, 11 Sept 2023 at 09:33, Csepp <raingloom@HIDDEN> wrote: > >> That is not a package problem but a Guix interface problem. I have been >> saying for a while that there needs to be an option to disable all >> non-trivial local builds by default when you know your machine can't >> handle them. > > IMHO, your proposal is orthogonal with the issue at hand: broken > packages. Other said, the issue is: how to deal with the set of > packages that will not build and we already know it (since weeks, > months or even years for some). > > My workstation can handle all the compilations that are required. My > laptop is able offload to it. The issue about broken packages is not > about the resources. It is about burning resources for nothing. > > About the issue you are speaking about, we already had discussions in > this direction -- you are not the only one saying "the fix needs to do > X" for a while but please keep in mind that "talking does not cook the > rice". ;-) Well, maybe you could open a ticket with a concrete > use-case. > > Cheers, > simon I was hoping to get some consensus on whether this is actually a bug/feature that others consider worth tracking, so I kept discussion of it mostly to guix-devel, but sure, I can make a proper issue for it.
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However, if the same package is still failing >> after several X <duration> or attempts, it means something is wrong. >> Marking it as a candidate for removal implies: >> >> 1. check if the failure is from CI when it builds locally, >> 2. keep a set of packages that we know they are installable. > This is a good example, but not for removing broken packages. For > perl6-xml-writer removing the package would keep breakage in Guix. > > I just checked the build, and this looks like a Guix packaging error This is exactly the effect if we have a policy. :-) Please, do not read a policy for the removal of broken packages as an automatic process. As you, I think an automatic process for removing would be a bad thing about the user experience. Maybe I misunderstand what a policy is. For me, a policy is a plan that is used as a basis for making decisions, a policy helps in reaching conclusion which then can lead to some actions. Somehow this discussion is the implementation of the policy I am proposing and that would help the maintenance, IMHO. I have manually marked this package for removal and=E2=80=A6 > that breaks the tests due to a change to some unrelated package: =E2=80=A6surprise, surprise, someone has checked. :-) A policy for removal about the broken packages would allow to know what to do. If the same package is still failing after several X <duration> or attempts, it means something is wrong. Currently, either you hit a broken package when doing some Guix operations. And that is a very poor experience, IMHO. Either one have to open the dashboard from CI [1], select some red buttons and investigate. And we can count with few fingers the number of people doing that. 1: https://ci.guix.gnu.org/eval/741273/dashboard > Disabling the tests makes the package build and work. Here is the point of my proposal to have a policy for removal of broken packages: automatically check how many times they have failed to build and automatically tag them when they are considered problematic. If no one care and these tagged packages are not fixed, then let remove them. It would drastically help in the maintenance. Otherwise, your help is very welcome in monitoring all the failures. :-) > So here, removing a package would start at the wrong place: some change > between 2021-02-01 and 2021-04-30 broke the perl6-tap-harness and we did > not detect that. Yes, that=E2=80=99s where QA should help: detect unrelated change that have= a long distance impact on unrelated packages. Changes to the branching/commit policy Christopher Baines <mail@HIDDEN> Thu, 08 Jun 2023 15:24:37 +0100 id:87y1kuyqew.fsf@HIDDEN https://yhetil.org/guix/87y1kuyqew.fsf@HIDDEN https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2023-06 [bug#63459] [PATCH] doc: Rewrite the branching strategy. Christopher Baines <mail@HIDDEN> Fri, 12 May 2023 08:55:20 +0100 id:f339d15842370b97558b704593848e318462b68d.1683878120.git.mail@cba= ines.net https://yhetil.org/guix/f339d15842370b97558b704593848e318462b68d.16= 83878120.git.mail@HIDDEN https://issues.guix.gnu.org/msgid/f339d15842370b97558b704593848e318= 462b68d.1683878120.git.mail@HIDDEN > This does not mean that there will never be a case in which a package > has to be removed, but given that both cases you showed are likely > self-induced breakage due to changes that should have been rejected as > breaking seemingly unrelated packages, it rather looks like the > situation where removing the package is the right way forward is the > exceptional case. We are miscommunicating. Or we have a very different vision about what should be the reliability of Guix. As a regular user, I need perl6-tap-harness, so I type =E2=80=9Cguix install perl6-tap-harness=E2=80=9D, and bang, it fails. As a regular user, I do not mind if the problem is coming from some change between 2021-02-01 and 2021-04-30 or if it comes from something else. What I want is that =E2=80=9Cguix install perl6-tap-harness=E2=80=9D= just works. Having a clear policy for removal =E2=80=93 again not an automatic removal procedure =E2=80=93 would help all, IMHO. > The norm is that our CI should have detected a problem in the commit > causing the breakage. > > Can we automatically rebuild all inheriting packages when a package gets > changed? CI builds all the commits pushed to Savannah. Not exactly all but that=E2=80=99s another story and it does not matter for this discussion. AFAIK, no one is checking that the commit they are pushing does not lead to break something. Else they would not push it I guess. ;-) Instead, it is QA that builds =E2=80=9Cpre-commit=E2=80=9C (patches). Than= ks to tireless Chris=E2=80=99s work since years, we have some tools for monitorin= g the impact of one change on the whole package set. Somehow, if I have correctly understood, QA uses the Build Coordinator to list all the derivations and then build all the new ones generated by the change. So the answer to your question is yes. :-) Aside, help is welcome for improving QA. > Also see above: in the two cases you selected, removing the package > would be the wrong path forward. Removing a package that is broken since 2021 is the good path forward. If you care about one package that is marked to be removed soon, then you fix it or raise your concern. Else it means no one care and so what is the point to keep broken packages that no one uses? >> On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 at 12:39, "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" <arne_bab@web.= de> wrote: >>> If a change in packages breaks my manifest, that is extremely painful. >> >> Yeah, and such rule for dealing with broken packages will be helpful for >> detecting such change and so avoid such situation. > > Since a manifest is strictly dependent on all packages defined in it, > removing a single referenced package means that the manifest is broken: > no update works anymore. No security updates come in anymore =E2=80=94 ev= en if > the package in question worked locally. This is a situation we should > not cause. Again, I am not proposing an automatic removal process but a policy. A policy could imply some news or some message saying: these packages will be removed soon because they are broken. Assuming this case: the package fails on CI and pass on your machine. Let assume you have not been enough annoyed for reporting the failure of the substitutes. Currently, the situation can stay like that for a long time. It means that each time something in the dependency graph of that package is changed, then we burn electricity for re-building it for nothing. What I am proposing is: if the same package is still failing after several X <duration> or attempts, then we mark it as =E2=80=98broken=E2=80= =99 and it becomes a candidate for a removal. People who care raise their hand. And we have a better idea about the real status. > The more important question is (serious question and *not* for assigning > blame, but to see whether we can improve processes): with the time we > already spent in this discussion, we could have fixed a lot of packages. This was exactly what I was going to answer you. :-) > Why did we not do that? I speak for myself, for many packages that are broken, my first question is: is it worth to investigate? My estimate starts with a mix between do I need them? and will the user experience be better compared to my time spent to investigate. Cheers, simon
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I often = had a >> case where no substitute was available but the package built just fine >> locally. This is not a perfect situation (nicer would be to track why it >> doesn=E2=80=99t come from CI =E2=80=94 sometimes it=E2=80=99s just a res= ource problem on the >> CI), but if you removed a package I use that would break all updates for >> me. > > Well, I do not think that any policy will mark a package for removal on > the first build failure. However, if the same package is still failing > after several X <duration> or attempts, it means something is wrong. > Marking it as a candidate for removal implies: > > 1. check if the failure is from CI when it builds locally, > 2. keep a set of packages that we know they are installable. > > For instance, ocaml4.07-* packages are failing since more or less April. > > https://data.guix.gnu.org/repository/1/branch/master/package/ocaml4.07-pp= xlib/output-history > > Does it make sense to keep them? For another example, some perl6-* > packages are failing since=E2=80=A6 2021. > > https://data.guix.gnu.org/repository/1/branch/master/package/perl6-xml-wr= iter/output-history > > Does it make sense to keep them? This is a good example, but not for removing broken packages. For perl6-xml-writer removing the package would keep breakage in Guix. I just checked the build, and this looks like a Guix packaging error that breaks the tests due to a change to some unrelated package: /gnu/store/ap404x14l604wm0gvaj439ga2vjzwnl7-perl6-tap-harness-0.0.7/bin/pro= ve6: /gnu/store/ap404x14l604wm0gvaj439ga2vjzwnl7-perl6-tap-harness-0.0.7/bi= n/.prove6-real: perl6: bad interpreter: No such file or directory Disabling the tests makes the package build and work. So here, removing a package would start at the wrong place: some change between 2021-02-01 and 2021-04-30 broke the perl6-tap-harness and we did not detect that. This is a problem that would get hidden by removing broken packages. The problem is that we (large inclusive we that stands for all users of Guix) did not track down this problem that causes the build to fail. From=20this I see two distinct cases: =2D packages broken upstream =2D packages broken by changes in Guix If a package is broken upstream and not going to get fixed and this requires regular patching in Guix, I agree that we have to remove it at some point. If however a change in Guix breaks packages, that change should get rolled back / reverted and fixed, so it does not break the packages. 8 | ocaml-migrate-parsetree ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Error: Library "ocaml-migrate-parsetree" not found. This likely means that a change in the inherited package removed the input, but the breakage wasn=E2=80=99t detected. And that=E2=80=99s actually what happened in 386ad7d8d14dee2103927d3f3609acc63373156a Fri Jan 13 10:54:36 2023 +0000 This commit broke ocaml4.07-ppxlib by cleaning up the inputs of ocaml-ppxlib (not naming names, this is not about shaming but about detecting the deeper problem). It should have been rejected (somehow) by CI. The change it would have required is this: diff --git a/gnu/packages/ocaml.scm b/gnu/packages/ocaml.scm index 8ff755aea9..042432be9a 100644 =2D-- a/gnu/packages/ocaml.scm +++ b/gnu/packages/ocaml.scm @@ -6845,6 +6845,9 @@ (define-public ocaml4.07-ppxlib (base32 "0my9x7sxb329h0lzshppdaawiyfbaw6g5f41yiy7bhl071rnlvbv")))) (build-system dune-build-system) + (propagated-inputs + (modify-inputs (package-propagated-inputs ocaml-ppxlib) + (prepend ocaml-migrate-parsetree))) (arguments `(#:phases (modify-phases %standard-phases So for both the cases you named for removal, such a removal would have caused us to miss actual problems in our process. This does not mean that there will never be a case in which a package has to be removed, but given that both cases you showed are likely self-induced breakage due to changes that should have been rejected as breaking seemingly unrelated packages, it rather looks like the situation where removing the package is the right way forward is the exceptional case. The norm is that our CI should have detected a problem in the commit causing the breakage. (this is reasoning from only two datapoints, so take it with a grain of salt =E2=80=A6) Can we automatically rebuild all inheriting packages when a package gets changed? > The usual situation is that CI is able to build the packages. The set > of packages that CI is not able to build is very limited and it is the > exception. > > Having a rule to deal with the regular broken packages appears to me a > good thing and very helpful to keep Guix reliable. And that rule cannot > be based on rare exceptional cases. A rule should work with known cases, otherwise it causes known breakage. Also see above: in the two cases you selected, removing the package would be the wrong path forward. > On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 at 12:39, "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" <arne_bab@HIDDEN= e> wrote: >> If a change in packages breaks my manifest, that is extremely painful. > > Yeah, and such rule for dealing with broken packages will be helpful for > detecting such change and so avoid such situation. Since a manifest is strictly dependent on all packages defined in it, removing a single referenced package means that the manifest is broken: no update works anymore. No security updates come in anymore =E2=80=94 even= if the package in question worked locally. This is a situation we should not cause. If we had a way to have placeholder packages (similar to the renamings) that emit warnings for missing packages but do not break the build, that would reduce the damage done by removing a package. But I think such a mechanism must be in place and tested before adding a rule to remove packages. And as we=E2=80=99ve seen from the two packages you selected, removal would= n=E2=80=99t have been the right decision. The more important question is (serious question and *not* for assigning blame, but to see whether we can improve processes): with the time we already spent in this discussion, we could have fixed a lot of packages. Why did we not do that? 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I have been > saying for a while that there needs to be an option to disable all > non-trivial local builds by default when you know your machine can't > handle them. IMHO, your proposal is orthogonal with the issue at hand: broken packages. Other said, the issue is: how to deal with the set of packages that will not build and we already know it (since weeks, months or even years for some). My workstation can handle all the compilations that are required. My laptop is able offload to it. The issue about broken packages is not about the resources. It is about burning resources for nothing. About the issue you are speaking about, we already had discussions in this direction -- you are not the only one saying "the fix needs to do X" for a while but please keep in mind that "talking does not cook the rice". ;-) Well, maybe you could open a ticket with a concrete use-case. Cheers, simon
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I think the fact that someone replies to an automated acknowledgement email like once a week says indicates that the emails are not communicating clearly what their purpose is. anyways, on to the actual issue at hand.) Simon Tournier <zimon.toutoune@HIDDEN> writes: > Hi, > > On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 at 10:45, Maxim Cournoyer <maxim.cournoyer@HIDDEN>= wrote: > >> It's frustrating for users when a package is missing, but it's also >> frustrating/inefficient for maintainers to stumble upon broken packages >> when checking if an upgrade broke dependent packages (it takes time to >> build them just to find out they fail, and researching they already >> did), so a balance is needed. > > There is nothing worse as an user to have this experience: > > guix search foobar > > oh cool, foobar is there, let try it, > > guix shell foobar > > =E2=80=A6 wait =E2=80=A6 > =E2=80=A6 stuff are building =E2=80=A6 > =E2=80=A6 laptop is burning =E2=80=A6 > =E2=80=A6 wait =E2=80=A6 > Bang! > > Keeping broken packages is just annoyances. Contributor are annoyed > because as said by the paragraph above. And user are annoyed as > described just above. > > I am in favor to set a policy for removing then. > > The question is the way to detect them. QA can do whatever we want but > until people are helping Chris because, IMHO, Chris is already enough > busy to keep stuff running, we probably need to keep our process simple > enough in order to stay actionable and avoid some vacuum of =E2=80=9Ccoul= da, > shoulda or woulda=E2=80=9D. For what my opinion is worth on that. :-) > > Cheers, > simon That is not a package problem but a Guix interface problem. I have been saying for a while that there needs to be an option to disable all non-trivial local builds by default when you know your machine can't handle them. Alternatively the CI could record some basic resource utilization information, so users could for example set a limit on RAM. (Although this gets tricky for parallel builds.)
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi, On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 at 12:39, "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" wrote: > Please don’t remove packages that are broken on the CI. I often had a > case where no substitute was available but the package built just fine > locally. This is not a perfect situation (nicer wou [...] Content analysis details: (1.1 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 1.1 DATE_IN_PAST_03_06 Date: is 3 to 6 hours before Received: date 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (zimon.toutoune[at]gmail.com) 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [2a00:1450:4864:20:0:0:0:32d listed in] [list.dnswl.org] X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 65391 Cc: 65391 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, maximedevos@HIDDEN, iyzsong@HIDDEN, mirai@HIDDEN, atai@HIDDEN, raingloom@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) Hi, On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 at 12:39, "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" <arne_bab@HIDDEN>= wrote: > Please don=E2=80=99t remove packages that are broken on the CI. I often h= ad a > case where no substitute was available but the package built just fine > locally. This is not a perfect situation (nicer would be to track why it > doesn=E2=80=99t come from CI =E2=80=94 sometimes it=E2=80=99s just a reso= urce problem on the > CI), but if you removed a package I use that would break all updates for > me. Well, I do not think that any policy will mark a package for removal on the first build failure. However, if the same package is still failing after several X <duration> or attempts, it means something is wrong. Marking it as a candidate for removal implies: 1. check if the failure is from CI when it builds locally, 2. keep a set of packages that we know they are installable. For instance, ocaml4.07-* packages are failing since more or less April. https://data.guix.gnu.org/repository/1/branch/master/package/ocaml4.07-ppxl= ib/output-history Does it make sense to keep them? For another example, some perl6-* packages are failing since=E2=80=A6 2021. https://data.guix.gnu.org/repository/1/branch/master/package/perl6-xml-writ= er/output-history Does it make sense to keep them? The usual situation is that CI is able to build the packages. The set of packages that CI is not able to build is very limited and it is the exception. Having a rule to deal with the regular broken packages appears to me a good thing and very helpful to keep Guix reliable. And that rule cannot be based on rare exceptional cases. > If a change in packages breaks my manifest, that is extremely painful. Yeah, and such rule for dealing with broken packages will be helpful for detecting such change and so avoid such situation. Cheers, simon
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Content preview: Hi, On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 at 10:45, Maxim Cournoyer wrote: > It's frustrating for users when a package is missing, but it's also > frustrating/inefficient for maintainers to stumble upon broken packages > when checking if an upgrade broke dependent packages ( [...] Content analysis details: (1.1 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 1.1 DATE_IN_PAST_03_06 Date: is 3 to 6 hours before Received: date 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (zimon.toutoune[at]gmail.com) 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [2a00:1450:4864:20:0:0:0:42d listed in] [list.dnswl.org] X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 65391 Cc: 65391 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Bruno Victal <mirai@HIDDEN>, Csepp <raingloom@HIDDEN>, =?utf-8?B?5a6L5paH5q2m?= <iyzsong@HIDDEN>, Andy Tai <atai@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) Hi, On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 at 10:45, Maxim Cournoyer <maxim.cournoyer@HIDDEN> w= rote: > It's frustrating for users when a package is missing, but it's also > frustrating/inefficient for maintainers to stumble upon broken packages > when checking if an upgrade broke dependent packages (it takes time to > build them just to find out they fail, and researching they already > did), so a balance is needed. There is nothing worse as an user to have this experience: guix search foobar oh cool, foobar is there, let try it, guix shell foobar =E2=80=A6 wait =E2=80=A6 =E2=80=A6 stuff are building =E2=80=A6 =E2=80=A6 laptop is burning =E2=80=A6 =E2=80=A6 wait =E2=80=A6 Bang! Keeping broken packages is just annoyances. Contributor are annoyed because as said by the paragraph above. And user are annoyed as described just above. I am in favor to set a policy for removing then. The question is the way to detect them. QA can do whatever we want but until people are helping Chris because, IMHO, Chris is already enough busy to keep stuff running, we probably need to keep our process simple enough in order to stay actionable and avoid some vacuum of =E2=80=9Ccoulda, shoulda or woulda=E2=80=9D. For what my opinion is worth on that. :-) Cheers, simon
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:-) I was replying to the first part > of your message, where you mentioned you were against packages removal. > My reply was giving support to devising policy that would define when > it's acceptable to prune the distribution of broken/unmaintained > packages, which is tangentially related to the topic of reporting broken > packages. Please don=E2=80=99t remove packages that are broken on the CI. I often had= a case where no substitute was available but the package built just fine locally. This is not a perfect situation (nicer would be to track why it doesn=E2=80=99t come from CI =E2=80=94 sometimes it=E2=80=99s just a resour= ce problem on the CI), but if you removed a package I use that would break all updates for me. I had that in the past. It=E2=80=99s not a nice situation, because it not o= nly break that one package but also prevents getting security updates until you find time to inspect what exactly is broken. And if you depend on that package, stuff stops working. Example: The changes to the Texlive packages currently break the PDF export of many pages for me =E2=80=94 I have not found the deeper reason yet. And I usually cannot investigate such problems right-away, because I can=E2=80=99t just d= rop everything for hobby automation that should just keep working. If a change in packages breaks my manifest, that is extremely painful. 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charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Maxim Cournoyer <maxim.cournoyer@HIDDEN> writes: > Believe it or not, I actually did! :-) I was replying to the first part > of your message, where you mentioned you were against packages removal. > My reply was giving support to devising policy that would define when > it's acceptable to prune the distribution of broken/unmaintained > packages, which is tangentially related to the topic of reporting broken > packages. Please don=E2=80=99t remove packages that are broken on the CI. I often had= a case where no substitute was available but the package built just fine locally. This is not a perfect situation (nicer would be to track why it doesn=E2=80=99t come from CI =E2=80=94 sometimes it=E2=80=99s just a resour= ce problem on the CI), but if you removed a package I use that would break all updates for me. I had that in the past. It=E2=80=99s not a nice situation, because it not o= nly break that one package but also prevents getting security updates until you find time to inspect what exactly is broken. And if you depend on that package, stuff stops working. Example: The changes to the Texlive packages currently break the PDF export of many pages for me =E2=80=94 I have not found the deeper reason yet. And I usually cannot investigate such problems right-away, because I can=E2=80=99t just d= rop everything for hobby automation that should just keep working. If a change in packages breaks my manifest, that is extremely painful. 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Yes, automatically report bugs would be helpful. And I'll leave the reverting rights to committers, which usually need some research and maybe risky. > [...] > Expanding upon this a bit more: > > * Expecting that people fix build failures of X when updating X seems > reasonable to me, and I think this is not in dispute. > > * Expecting that people using X fix build failures of X or risk the > package X being deleted when someone else changed a dependency Y of > X seems unreasonable to me. More generally, I am categorically > opposed to: > > =E2=80=98If you change something and it breaks something else, you s= hould > leave fixing the something else to someone (unless you want to > fix it yourself).=E2=80=99 > > (I can think of some situations where this is a good thing, but not > in general and in particular not in this Guix situation.) > > I mean, I don't know about you, but for me it fails the categorical > imperative and the so-called Golden Rule. I agree. Well sometimes if breaks are overlooked by me, then it's very welcome for other to give me a hand. Thanks.
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I'd say it's safer to assume neither, though perhaps with a slight bias toward agreement, especially if the person was otherwise actively participating in the conversation (as I would expect people are most likely to post a reply when they disagree with something). -- Thanks, Maxim
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[72.10.132.204]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z15-20020ae9c10f000000b00767177a5bebsm3458217qki.56.2023.08.29.19.28.01 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 29 Aug 2023 19:28:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Maxim Cournoyer <maxim.cournoyer@HIDDEN> To: Maxime Devos <maximedevos@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#65391: Acknowledgement (People need to report failing builds even though we have ci.guix.gnu.org for that) References: <295ef8c8-574a-4169-98f3-6d9aaeb773f1@HIDDEN> <handler.65391.B.169248925726403.ack <at> debbugs.gnu.org> <6a62aced-9138-0496-fb01-d5d8e89ba8d6@HIDDEN> <87h6ohc3gk.fsf@HIDDEN> <ac627ec6-f21a-fd24-1151-b47d6d2c84b3@HIDDEN> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2023 22:28:01 -0400 In-Reply-To: <ac627ec6-f21a-fd24-1151-b47d6d2c84b3@HIDDEN> (Maxime Devos's message of "Wed, 30 Aug 2023 00:44:08 +0200") Message-ID: <87zg296z7y.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 65391 Cc: Andy Tai <atai@HIDDEN>, Bruno Victal <mirai@HIDDEN>, Csepp <raingloom@HIDDEN>, =?utf-8?B?5a6L?= =?utf-8?B?5paH5q2m?= <iyzsong@HIDDEN>, 65391 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi Maxime, Maxime Devos <maximedevos@HIDDEN> writes: >>> The first part looks reasonable to me (though I would decrease 7 days >>> to daily or even hourly, as I don't see a point in the delay), but how >>> does the second part (removing packages) make sense at all? >>> I mean, if you do that: >>> 1. Build failures happen (independent of whether you do that). >>> 2. Hence, by doing that, the distro shrinks over time. >>> 3. Leading to frustrated users(*), because the packages they were >>> using and which were working well were suddenly removed for no good >>> reason (**). >>> 4. Leading to less people fixing build failures (because of the >>> frustration). > >> We could bump the expiry time to 180 days, or even 365 days (a full >> year). If nobody opens an issue for a broken package in that amount of >> time, it's probably not used much if at all and may not be worth the >> maintenance burden. > > Please read the subject line of the original message, subject lines > aren't just fluff. Believe it or not, I actually did! :-) I was replying to the first part of your message, where you mentioned you were against packages removal. My reply was giving support to devising policy that would define when it's acceptable to prune the distribution of broken/unmaintained packages, which is tangentially related to the topic of reporting broken packages. These are just ideas and if we decide to turn some of them into policy we could write it in a way that would favor resolving problems instead of just making them disappear. [...] > If maintainers check that no new build failures are created, then over > time the total amount of old build failures becomes roughly zero > (roughly, because of occasional mistake and new timebombs). You mean that the building vs failing ratio improves, right? I'm all for giving a best effort to keep as many packages as we have the capacity to do, but at some point the Pareto principle kicks in and you realize there's not that much value in spending 3 days trying to fix a hardly maintained leaf package that has been failing to build for a year or two. [...] > (*) Sometimes upstream is really not with the times instead of > slightly out of touch, sometimes the broken package has a good > replacement and often security updates need to be performed before > they existed, but the =E2=80=98remove packages=E2=80=99 proposal is not l= imited to > such exceptions. This is the kind of considerations that we could mention in a package removal policy (basically mention it's a last resort thing). >>> [some other part] >>> Expanding upon this a bit more: >>> * Expecting that people fix build failures of X when updating X >>> seems >>> reasonable to me, and I think this is not in dispute. >>> * Expecting that people using X fix build failures of X or risk >>> the >>> package X being deleted when someone else changed a dependency Y of >>> X seems unreasonable to me. More generally, I am categorically >>> opposed to: >>> =E2=80=98If you change something and it breaks something else, you >>> should >>> leave fixing the something else to someone (unless you want to >>> fix it yourself).=E2=80=99 >>> (I can think of some situations where this is a good thing, >>> but not >>> in general and in particular not in this Guix situation.) >>> I mean, I don't know about you, but for me it fails the >>> categorical >>> imperative and the so-called Golden Rule. >> >> I think we can all assume contributors are acting in good faith and >> are ready to fix any problems resulting from their installed changes; >> but they need to be made aware of these failures. [...] > > Again, how does this reply addresses what you quoted? Like, this is > a valuable reply (and I mostly agree with it, but I would qualify > =E2=80=98contributors=E2=80=99 as =E2=80=98most regular contributors=E2= =80=99 (**)) ... but it is not > a good reply to what you quoted. > > * if you left out the quote or separated your reply from the quote > (more explicitly, you could e.g. start with =E2=80=98On related matte= rs, > ...=E2=80=99), it would be fine. > > * but if you don't, then you're blatantly ignoring what I wrote, which > is not fine at all. The text of yours I quoted was to provide some context as to what I was answering to; I replied to the essence of your argument I synthesized from it, not point by point as I agreed with it and it wouldn't have added much to do so. > It's something I have encountered and pointed out (less explicitly) in > the past in other threads as well. I think it's a common reaction when faced with a detailed text -- some people may simply ignore it, feeling overwhelmed, or they may synthesize the essence of it to keep it high level and the discussion more fluid. I don't think it should be perceived as mean; a partial reply is still better than none. --=20 Thanks, Maxim
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[72.10.132.204]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f23-20020a05620a12f700b0076ef0fb5050sm3144159qkl.31.2023.08.29.07.45.15 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 29 Aug 2023 07:45:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Maxim Cournoyer <maxim.cournoyer@HIDDEN> To: Maxime Devos <maximedevos@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#65391: Acknowledgement (People need to report failing builds even though we have ci.guix.gnu.org for that) References: <295ef8c8-574a-4169-98f3-6d9aaeb773f1@HIDDEN> <handler.65391.B.169248925726403.ack <at> debbugs.gnu.org> <6a62aced-9138-0496-fb01-d5d8e89ba8d6@HIDDEN> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2023 10:45:15 -0400 In-Reply-To: <6a62aced-9138-0496-fb01-d5d8e89ba8d6@HIDDEN> (Maxime Devos's message of "Tue, 29 Aug 2023 16:03:22 +0200") Message-ID: <87h6ohc3gk.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 65391 Cc: Andy Tai <atai@HIDDEN>, Bruno Victal <mirai@HIDDEN>, Csepp <raingloom@HIDDEN>, =?utf-8?B?5a6L?= =?utf-8?B?5paH5q2m?= <iyzsong@HIDDEN>, 65391 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi Maxime, Maxime Devos <maximedevos@HIDDEN> writes: > (I did not receive the e-mails from Andy Tai and =E5=AE=8B=E6=96=87=E6=AD= =A6, I had to look > at <https://issues.guix.gnu.org/65391>.) > >> Maybe we can automatically report the failures as bugs, say every 7 >> days, and remove a package if it still fail to build in 90 days? > > The first part looks reasonable to me (though I would decrease 7 days > to daily or even hourly, as I don't see a point in the delay), but how > does the second part (removing packages) make sense at all? > > I mean, if you do that: > > 1. Build failures happen (independent of whether you do that). > 2. Hence, by doing that, the distro shrinks over time. > 3. Leading to frustrated users(*), because the packages they were > using and which were working well were suddenly removed for no good > reason (**). > 4. Leading to less people fixing build failures (because of the > frustration). We could bump the expiry time to 180 days, or even 365 days (a full year). If nobody opens an issue for a broken package in that amount of time, it's probably not used much if at all and may not be worth the maintenance burden. It can always be resurrected from the git history if someone is motivated to pick it up. Looking for removed packages from the git history could become a second instinct if this was made policy. We already have a yasnippet snippet that automates commit message for package removal: 'remove... TAB', which makes it easy to search for: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- git log --grep=3D'gnu: Remove' commit 72abf72062f0e813efb633e05b42c99c4bc78cff Author: Maxim Cournoyer <me> Date: Fri Aug 11 21:29:54 2023 -0400 gnu: Remove qtquickcontrols2. =20=20=20=20 * gnu/packages/qt.scm (qtquickcontrols2): Delete variable. (pyotherside) [inputs]: Remove qtquickcontrols2. [...]=20=20=20=20 --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- It's frustrating for users when a package is missing, but it's also frustrating/inefficient for maintainers to stumble upon broken packages when checking if an upgrade broke dependent packages (it takes time to build them just to find out they fail, and researching they already did), so a balance is needed. > which seems rather counter-productive to me. > > (I suppose the feedback loop eventually stabilises by =E2=80=98less peopl= e -> > less changes made to Guix -> less new build failures -> less > frustration=E2=80=99, but that's not really a good thing.) > > Instead, what about: > >> Maybe we can automatically report the failures as bugs, say every >> hour, and revert the commit(s) causing the new build failures if they >> haven't been fixed in a week. > (3 months seems to have to high a chance of merge conflicts and > decreased motivation to fix the mistakes to me.) > > Expanding upon this a bit more: > > * Expecting that people fix build failures of X when updating X seems > reasonable to me, and I think this is not in dispute. > > * Expecting that people using X fix build failures of X or risk the > package X being deleted when someone else changed a dependency Y of > X seems unreasonable to me. More generally, I am categorically > opposed to: > > =E2=80=98If you change something and it breaks something else, you s= hould > leave fixing the something else to someone (unless you want to > fix it yourself).=E2=80=99 > > (I can think of some situations where this is a good thing, but not > in general and in particular not in this Guix situation.) > > I mean, I don't know about you, but for me it fails the categorical > imperative and the so-called Golden Rule. I think we can all assume contributors are acting in good faith and are ready to fix any problems resulting from their installed changes; but they need to be made aware of these failures. Which to me suggests we (again) need better tooling (that's already improved much with the QA service, thanks to Christopher's efforts). It can still be improved; the QA could for example notify contributors by email when their patch or series have broken something, like the CI of forges typically do, or other UI improvements to make it easier to see what has been broken. Cuirass in particular would benefit from a status:failed-new (freshly broken) query ability. I think the data is already there, it just needs to be exposed. I've opened new feature requests for the CI to help with that: https://issues.guix.gnu.org/65594 ("[feature] [qa] Notify users by email of problems") and https://issues.guix.gnu.org/65595 ("[feature] [cuirass] Add ability to filter builds for status:failed-new"). Thanks for weighing in! --=20 Thanks, Maxim
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Hi, maybe build failures should be limited to certain platforms that can cause this treatment, such as (32-bit) x86, x86-64 and arm-64, so build failures on other platforms would not make a package removed if build failure not fixed The reason is that most people do not have arm32, PowerPC or Risc-V hardware so these platforms may be more likely to suffer build failures and for most people x86 and 64-bit arm platforms are what they use. Build failures on the less common platforms can be fixed if there are people with resources and interests, and wanting to fix them --000000000000021d360603ea052c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><span class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,h= elvetica,sans-serif"></span>On 2023-08-27 02:13, =E5=AE=8B=E6=96=87=E6=AD= =A6 wrote:<br> > Maybe we can automatically report the failures as bugs, say every 7<br= ><div> > days, and remove a package if it still fail to build in 90 days?</div>= <div><br></div><div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" c= lass=3D"gmail_default">Hi, maybe build failures should be limited to certai= n platforms that can cause this treatment, such as (32-bit) x86, x86-64 and= arm-64, so build failures on other platforms would not make a package remo= ved if build failure not fixed</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,helveti= ca,sans-serif" class=3D"gmail_default"><br></div><div style=3D"font-family:= arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class=3D"gmail_default">The reason is that most= people do not have arm32, PowerPC or Risc-V hardware so these platforms ma= y be more likely to suffer build failures and for most people x86 and 64-bi= t arm platforms are what they use.=C2=A0 Build failures on the less common = platforms can be fixed if there are people with resources and interests, an= d wanting to fix them<br></div><br></div> <div><span class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,san= s-serif"></span></div></div> --000000000000021d360603ea052c--
bug-guix@HIDDEN
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Full text available.Received: (at 65391) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Aug 2023 15:07:51 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Aug 27 11:07:51 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45962 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1qaHMk-0005wZ-Kq for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Aug 2023 11:07:50 -0400 Received: from ns13.heimat.it ([46.4.214.66]:51868) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <g@HIDDEN>) id 1qaHMg-0005w7-Pw for 65391 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Aug 2023 11:07:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (ip6-localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ns13.heimat.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F86D3008E0; Sun, 27 Aug 2023 15:07:35 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at ns13.heimat.it Received: from ns13.heimat.it ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ns13.heimat.it [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BSxyYIMlFzy6; Sun, 27 Aug 2023 15:07:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bourrache.mug.xelera.it (unknown [93.56.171.217]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-ECDSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by ns13.heimat.it (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A7C433008B3; Sun, 27 Aug 2023 15:07:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from roquette.mug.biscuolo.net (roquette [10.38.2.14]) by bourrache.mug.xelera.it (Postfix) with SMTP id EDDF52935CF8; Sun, 27 Aug 2023 17:07:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: (nullmailer pid 5680 invoked by uid 1000); Sun, 27 Aug 2023 15:07:32 -0000 From: Giovanni Biscuolo <g@HIDDEN> To: Bruno Victal <mirai@HIDDEN>, =?utf-8?B?5a6L5paH5q2m?= <iyzsong@HIDDEN>, Maxime Devos <maximedevos@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#65391: People need to report failing builds even though we have ci.guix.gnu.org for that In-Reply-To: <283d99d4-4682-4577-b69c-f064ff5cd179@HIDDEN> Organization: Xelera.eu References: <295ef8c8-574a-4169-98f3-6d9aaeb773f1@HIDDEN> <871qfpxp76.fsf@HIDDEN> <283d99d4-4682-4577-b69c-f064ff5cd179@HIDDEN> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2023 17:07:31 +0200 Message-ID: <87sf84a5ho.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 65391 Cc: guix-devel@HIDDEN, 65391 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bruno Victal <mirai@HIDDEN> writes: > On 2023-08-27 02:13, =E5=AE=8B=E6=96=87=E6=AD=A6 wrote: >> Maybe we can automatically report the failures as bugs, say every 7 >> days, and remove a package if it still fail to build in 90 days? maybe precedeed by an automated email notification (to guix-bugs) so that interested people have the chance to step in and fix it? > I'm not so sure about removing packages, personally if I'm in need of > a package that happens to be broken I find it easier to fix it given > that some work has already been put into writing the package definition > than starting from scratch. You don't need to start from scratch if you want, you just have to checkout the right git commit (before the package was deleted) and start from that, if needed: WDYT? Happy hacking! Gio' [...] =2D-=20 Giovanni Biscuolo Xelera IT Infrastructures --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQJABAEBCgAqFiEERcxjuFJYydVfNLI5030Op87MORIFAmTrZrQMHGdAeGVsZXJh LmV1AAoJENN9DqfOzDkSISAP/RYSohmV2sVeJxlt3mBNtb6CQ8IP+NV88lTtLFRE fYHq7K6c4JND80VegeERerD2TYLmOm/450NhYBz+/QrbZLeAuRL+0PANCOQGr+eG kJpGhnnVRT5quq82VB6J3tQZsK5j1uR66PImjGW01MrhbT4OXOdyED4qb5hWFdYZ sriwZiKqlDAgHzaK6iM/waPzQo5muIslSFjXhbkmB+d6j2HnF0n/Bp5a+qvVY/TW n0SXHxCw3WWi4VA9rpMKQK0M+VQbSWgsCqMOCd8D/B3M5ZUUmEj9uTAXY/080HZd 5BQtzGdknIihXDE6C5KmOipi9LIJceiDizc8tqT6yFHbZQ0uS9kmpgFRQY66GZz1 WxCzGJYDxTGSswwmfXhdZNJslWgB+FzvqbSfXw0RM3ai0f3INT3XXm/l9jkduQ72 QH/wjpw5AraUW2LY3FaiTofp6dHgmN4L7BjLexs7utu0K4VNJPGWIEj+s9231vcs Jj3K5Z6sVUb4N1DrSdPqt6IalNqMLEg+uyPTbmFZw+GSqI2gLAiIE3tEdmiE2kz4 LAIDoF74E6vCgfPINDlGZWy++swkqJE3mp/In/XkUr0+jnCyVYw0cWddi5BE8PLc w9CA5ymbue6WvXNIPwi5neXrvBcV0l5oqsPF7LTg7NeIDBeekp5mew4KTY8ymG8B BySd =nDMh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--
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Full text available.Received: (at 65391) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Aug 2023 08:16:26 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Aug 27 04:16:26 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44050 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1qaAwc-0003M4-E9 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Aug 2023 04:16:26 -0400 Received: from mail.envs.net ([5.199.136.28]:50742) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <iyzsong@HIDDEN>) id 1qaAwa-0003Lt-Bz for 65391 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Aug 2023 04:16:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (mail.envs.net [127.0.0.1]) by mail.envs.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62AA838A0135; Sun, 27 Aug 2023 08:16:17 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=envs.net; s=modoboa; t=1693124177; bh=zZ4/u/xF7JLwhXKDUK1x1qA2Y4BDVA+uXC3OjLzme58=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=lS5HeEICvy0qtKNDyDVDYJcc2mwjLW2F74Bg1ddcFW0UADiwaoGGZiD6petUkYKOG tjYwl5e7xmhB+2Bt6OjKPYdTbxqfdCI9wGJLnUIeiZYgCmtXns967MnqQAvZF5C/d5 yyP98RUJ+hGwN1XyO9Oq5Gos/rDP4QK3YmI1q4F9kWhYZh/CFk97z7OE08sMFQyXHn O11HapZl9M6LmCgd14KbHKw6HBLpgoo5msGGG4zZC/RyOptxhuLleC54DwIGC29CwH b1YHMdspAM+GfEcxKXGADynmYI6ljKE0zoPGAKsGRex2bqaLuJD4tjjnOjeF7fMqhb igwKFdank7RJSQZsP+iq06un8JQ7Jl2pQZPtJ9ASATIOQivojrULtIlhQYx2ra8G5f +HI+ZdL55o//Z1wID3/3xLPxWv5T68v/aYeGeIigAc3Hp5XPfbP6sxS/0uPTUNVh0M QExyu376CRzmSME9x/T4tSBFnmIH2ZMjqRAAPXYdvyeHNQ2nFsTojHlPa4JCV/igSr Tjq5D3L5S7yebuU+dLkaToaF3ttGjRyZS2ciKPPPm3bjRIUniNUCMyWgiP+UQ1q1/K OCa7mx78GOpeIj2Y01MlZ5eOv7CEwitTOJHeqbs6+5tpOa4m9ycNjP3fttoBOqCfGW E/wh8A0Ke/j2vd3wPQihZScA= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.envs.net Received: from mail.envs.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.envs.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id v9IX6sSwGEcm; Sun, 27 Aug 2023 08:16:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (unknown [36.170.44.50]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mail.envs.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Sun, 27 Aug 2023 08:16:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [local]) by localhost (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPA id 10d2c240; Sun, 27 Aug 2023 08:16:29 +0000 (UTC) From: =?utf-8?B?5a6L5paH5q2m?= <iyzsong@HIDDEN> To: bug-guix@HIDDEN Subject: [Cuirass] feature requests for dashboard References: <295ef8c8-574a-4169-98f3-6d9aaeb773f1@HIDDEN> <871qfpxp76.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sf85i289.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2023 16:16:29 +0800 In-Reply-To: <87sf85i289.fsf@HIDDEN> (Maxim Cournoyer's message of "Sat, 26 Aug 2023 23:38:30 -0400") Message-ID: <877cpgc336.fsf_-_@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 65391 Cc: Maxim Cournoyer <maxim.cournoyer@HIDDEN>, 65391 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hello, I think the current CI dashboard (eg: https://ci.guix.gnu.org/eval/693369/dashboard) is a little inconvenient to use, and I'd like it have: 1. different colors for build failures (status=1) and dependencies failures (status=2), and other type failures. Maybe yellow for dependencies failures, and grey for other. 2. more search options in addition to job name, eg: status:failed status:failed-dependency status:canceled team:python also a help like in mumi https://issues.guix.gnu.org/help#search for those options. 3. for a failed build, show a link to its bug report on issues.guix.gnu.org if one existed. eg, for: https://ci.guix.gnu.org/build/1170869/details add a Issue row with link to https://issues.guix.gnu.org/65392 so we can know this build failure is known. Maxim Cournoyer <maxim.cournoyer@HIDDEN> writes: >> I found the dashboard inconvenient to use, it show failures for both >> builds and dependencies in the same red color, and can't be searched. >> What I usually do is: >> >> 1. download the job status json with: >> wget -O jobs.json 'https://ci.guix.gnu.org/api/jobs?evaluation=692229&system=x86_64-linux' >> >> 2. use jq to show package names with build failures: >> cat jobs.json | jq '. | map(select(.status == 1)) | .[].name' -r >> >> 3. select interested one to investigate (if doing merge, diff the failures from >> working branch with master). > > Maybe we should open Cuirass feature requests on our bug tracker to > remember what would be valuable to implement. Okay, I'll open one here.
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Maybe yellow for dependencies failures, and grey for other. 2. more search options in addition to job name, eg: status:failed status:failed-dependency status:canceled team:python also a help like in mumi https://issues.guix.gnu.org/help#search for those options. 3. for a failed build, show a link to its bug report on issues.guix.gnu.org if one existed. eg, for: https://ci.guix.gnu.org/build/1170869/details add a Issue row with link to https://issues.guix.gnu.org/65392 so we can know this build failure is known. Maxim Cournoyer <maxim.cournoyer@HIDDEN> writes: >> I found the dashboard inconvenient to use, it show failures for both >> builds and dependencies in the same red color, and can't be searched. >> What I usually do is: >> >> 1. download the job status json with: >> wget -O jobs.json 'https://ci.guix.gnu.org/api/jobs?evaluation=692229&system=x86_64-linux' >> >> 2. use jq to show package names with build failures: >> cat jobs.json | jq '. | map(select(.status == 1)) | .[].name' -r >> >> 3. select interested one to investigate (if doing merge, diff the failures from >> working branch with master). > > Maybe we should open Cuirass feature requests on our bug tracker to > remember what would be valuable to implement. Okay, I'll open one here.
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Full text available.Received: (at 65391) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Aug 2023 04:30:57 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Aug 27 00:30:57 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43764 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1qa7QO-0002Xm-Vk for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Aug 2023 00:30:57 -0400 Received: from smtpmciv3.myservices.hosting ([185.26.107.239]:37336) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <mirai@HIDDEN>) id 1qa7QK-0002Xa-7Q for 65391 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Aug 2023 00:30:56 -0400 Received: from mail1.netim.hosting (unknown [185.26.106.173]) by smtpmciv3.myservices.hosting (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC8362354C; Sun, 27 Aug 2023 06:30:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail1.netim.hosting (Postfix) with ESMTP id B923A80060; Sun, 27 Aug 2023 06:30:40 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail1.netim.hosting Received: from mail1.netim.hosting ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail1-2.netim.hosting [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id q85PUG8krWlL; Sun, 27 Aug 2023 06:30:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.116] (unknown [10.192.1.83]) (Authenticated sender: lumen@HIDDEN) by mail1.netim.hosting (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1B5F38005B; Sun, 27 Aug 2023 06:30:40 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <283d99d4-4682-4577-b69c-f064ff5cd179@HIDDEN> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2023 05:30:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: bug#65391: People need to report failing builds even though we have ci.guix.gnu.org for that Content-Language: en-US To: =?UTF-8?B?5a6L5paH5q2m?= <iyzsong@HIDDEN>, Maxime Devos <maximedevos@HIDDEN> References: <295ef8c8-574a-4169-98f3-6d9aaeb773f1@HIDDEN> <871qfpxp76.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Bruno Victal <mirai@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <871qfpxp76.fsf@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 65391 Cc: guix-devel@HIDDEN, 65391 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On 2023-08-27 02:13, ĺ®‹ć–‡ć¦ wrote: > Maybe we can automatically report the failures as bugs, say every 7 > days, and remove a package if it still fail to build in 90 days? I'm not so sure about removing packages, personally if I'm in need of a package that happens to be broken I find it easier to fix it given that some work has already been put into writing the package definition than starting from scratch. -- Furthermore, I consider that nonfree software must be eradicated. Cheers, Bruno.
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[66.158.155.106]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u16-20020a0cdd10000000b006365b23b5dfsm1641436qvk.23.2023.08.26.20.39.55 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sat, 26 Aug 2023 20:39:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Maxim Cournoyer <maxim.cournoyer@HIDDEN> To: =?utf-8?B?5a6L5paH5q2m?= <iyzsong@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#65391: People need to report failing builds even though we have ci.guix.gnu.org for that References: <295ef8c8-574a-4169-98f3-6d9aaeb773f1@HIDDEN> <871qfpxp76.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2023 23:39:54 -0400 In-Reply-To: <871qfpxp76.fsf@HIDDEN> (=?utf-8?B?IuWui+aWh+atpiIncw==?= message of "Sun, 27 Aug 2023 09:13:17 +0800") Message-ID: <87o7iti25x.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 65391 Cc: guix-devel@HIDDEN, Maxime Devos <maximedevos@HIDDEN>, 65391 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi again, =E5=AE=8B=E6=96=87=E6=AD=A6 <iyzsong@HIDDEN> writes: > Maxime Devos <maximedevos@HIDDEN> writes: > >> For example, naev used to work just fine, yet apparently it doesn't >> anymore: https://issues.guix.gnu.org/65390. >> >> Given that Guix has ci.guix.gnu.org, I would expect such new problems >> to be detected and resolved early, and it was detected by >> ci.guix.gnu.org, yet going by issues.guix.gnu.org it was never even >> investigated. > > Yes, honestly I only look for build failures from bug reports, not from > CI if i'm not doing a "request for merge" from another branch. Another idea I had was we could add some feature to Cuirass where it'd notify a team (by email) when a package under their scope has been broken on the master branch. --=20 Thanks, Maxim
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[66.158.155.106]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d7-20020a0cdb07000000b0064f6f9290bdsm1643264qvk.55.2023.08.26.20.38.30 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sat, 26 Aug 2023 20:38:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Maxim Cournoyer <maxim.cournoyer@HIDDEN> To: =?utf-8?B?5a6L5paH5q2m?= <iyzsong@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#65391: People need to report failing builds even though we have ci.guix.gnu.org for that References: <295ef8c8-574a-4169-98f3-6d9aaeb773f1@HIDDEN> <871qfpxp76.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2023 23:38:30 -0400 In-Reply-To: <871qfpxp76.fsf@HIDDEN> (=?utf-8?B?IuWui+aWh+atpiIncw==?= message of "Sun, 27 Aug 2023 09:13:17 +0800") Message-ID: <87sf85i289.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 65391 Cc: guix-devel@HIDDEN, Maxime Devos <maximedevos@HIDDEN>, 65391 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hello, =E5=AE=8B=E6=96=87=E6=AD=A6 <iyzsong@HIDDEN> writes: > Maxime Devos <maximedevos@HIDDEN> writes: > >> For example, naev used to work just fine, yet apparently it doesn't >> anymore: https://issues.guix.gnu.org/65390. >> >> Given that Guix has ci.guix.gnu.org, I would expect such new problems >> to be detected and resolved early, and it was detected by >> ci.guix.gnu.org, yet going by issues.guix.gnu.org it was never even >> investigated. > > Yes, honestly I only look for build failures from bug reports, not from > CI if i'm not doing a "request for merge" from another branch. > >> >> (Yes, there is a delay, but that doesn't matter at all, as there's >> this dashboard <https://ci.guix.gnu.org/eval/668365/dashboard>.) > > I found the dashboard inconvenient to use, it show failures for both > builds and dependencies in the same red color, and can't be searched. > What I usually do is: > > 1. download the job status json with: > wget -O jobs.json 'https://ci.guix.gnu.org/api/jobs?evaluation=3D692229= &system=3Dx86_64-linux' > > 2. use jq to show package names with build failures: > cat jobs.json | jq '. | map(select(.status =3D=3D 1)) | .[].name' -r > > 3. select interested one to investigate (if doing merge, diff the failure= s from > working branch with master). Maybe we should open Cuirass feature requests on our bug tracker to remember what would be valuable to implement. >> Do people really need to report 33% of all jobs >> (https://ci.guix.gnu.org/eval/668365/dashboard) before those failures >> are taken seriously, instead of the =E2=80=98there don't seem to be that= much >> more build failures from the core-updates/... merge, let's solve them >> later (i.e., never)=E2=80=99 that seems to be status quo? > > Maybe we can automatically report the failures as bugs, say every 7 > days, and remove a package if it still fail to build in 90 days? That's sounds reasonable to me. > As for now, x86_64 master (eval 668365) has 696 build failures, 604 > dependencies failures, 30 unknown (canceld?) failures, total 1330 > failures according to the jobs.json data. > > Should we open a bug report for each of those 696 build failures? I'm not against, though that sounds like a lot of work unless automated. --=20 Thanks, Maxim
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Full text available.Received: (at 65391) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Aug 2023 01:13:17 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Aug 26 21:13:17 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43615 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1qa4L6-000363-UI for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Aug 2023 21:13:17 -0400 Received: from mail.envs.net ([5.199.136.28]:50792) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <iyzsong@HIDDEN>) id 1qa4L1-00035p-KR for 65391 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Aug 2023 21:13:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (mail.envs.net [127.0.0.1]) by mail.envs.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43E8438A0135; Sun, 27 Aug 2023 01:13:03 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=envs.net; s=modoboa; t=1693098783; bh=onXVlSj8MwBCgbE5MvlUAR9PHeWQ4Ps87aHNT+xCatg=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=iKh4XXkdASspgHMUUDeu/psM2ewEWnySmJbK6ZL2JDAD9NT7W6pQCaAm0io25FdSM DuW37plGs7KJCq3Gr4UOyiD3gTG6u0WhyquCpk0Px4vjkZwhtIckZvNdt8PXUIRY9F UsRawWJSTT3yJBBB/0bGHHDh3bgI2GDGYXN2N/nvGghAHI7MXjpmpF8nSqtOGNqJ8G PjxwDXbZgqXBWN/wOyQgUc7MVHWO2k4EkiiOta0nQzgOfA76GIIA0Rh5wy0piS1vpm b5mwmoR0/rn1mAAI8kMUz4Lxxojc+olHBtl/Mq0/v5CxhpxH2am0mZpwssnSUGoVRQ WndROlppFYiKqJN7FFl0KY47v3oTtlNWfNIM3ZKRiojeMiMDCkxLJmrOcB3wSvXnsA 0DpO0zjZkjgGotGt+iBulLwevnh+DQCY/D4KCE0za6B715Egcj5lSE3L8uKq1PEavm W5OkAOz4MZV0PJfmfAUk/tjq6QHQSt62ElQemxGK/DH0bsZLZe3wQWObU4xNK7/xjK aOez+fb/LgbYTnFl1DKQUUWPR7W3+cf+xBWYSaqb/Yxzv4CDpHhllLS4W9DsFsZdw5 XZIUagpUWnOjtLIunVaooa6nBJLDwBjPwi+DG8ZewnAVXGUne65Sh2o8J0tftKvOZq nGQ/mlnQ3jRELN+CTowW18yo= X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.envs.net Received: from mail.envs.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.envs.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id y0c0Jez2Y83a; Sun, 27 Aug 2023 01:12:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (unknown [36.170.44.50]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mail.envs.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Sun, 27 Aug 2023 01:12:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [local]) by localhost (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPA id 2f3455bf; Sun, 27 Aug 2023 01:13:17 +0000 (UTC) From: =?utf-8?B?5a6L5paH5q2m?= <iyzsong@HIDDEN> To: Maxime Devos <maximedevos@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#65391: People need to report failing builds even though we have ci.guix.gnu.org for that References: <295ef8c8-574a-4169-98f3-6d9aaeb773f1@HIDDEN> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2023 09:13:17 +0800 In-Reply-To: <295ef8c8-574a-4169-98f3-6d9aaeb773f1@HIDDEN> (Maxime Devos's message of "Sun, 20 Aug 2023 01:53:59 +0200") Message-ID: <871qfpxp76.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 65391 Cc: guix-devel@HIDDEN, 65391 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Maxime Devos <maximedevos@HIDDEN> writes: > For example, naev used to work just fine, yet apparently it doesn't > anymore: https://issues.guix.gnu.org/65390. > > Given that Guix has ci.guix.gnu.org, I would expect such new problems > to be detected and resolved early, and it was detected by > ci.guix.gnu.org, yet going by issues.guix.gnu.org it was never even > investigated. Yes, honestly I only look for build failures from bug reports, not from CI if i'm not doing a "request for merge" from another branch. > > (Yes, there is a delay, but that doesn't matter at all, as there's > this dashboard <https://ci.guix.gnu.org/eval/668365/dashboard>.) I found the dashboard inconvenient to use, it show failures for both builds and dependencies in the same red color, and can't be searched. What I usually do is: 1. download the job status json with: wget -O jobs.json 'https://ci.guix.gnu.org/api/jobs?evaluation=3D692229&s= ystem=3Dx86_64-linux' 2. use jq to show package names with build failures: cat jobs.json | jq '. | map(select(.status =3D=3D 1)) | .[].name' -r 3. select interested one to investigate (if doing merge, diff the failures = from working branch with master). > > Do people really need to report 33% of all jobs > (https://ci.guix.gnu.org/eval/668365/dashboard) before those failures > are taken seriously, instead of the =E2=80=98there don't seem to be that = much > more build failures from the core-updates/... merge, let's solve them > later (i.e., never)=E2=80=99 that seems to be status quo? Maybe we can automatically report the failures as bugs, say every 7 days, and remove a package if it still fail to build in 90 days? As for now, x86_64 master (eval 668365) has 696 build failures, 604 dependencies failures, 30 unknown (canceld?) failures, total 1330 failures according to the jobs.json data. 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Full text available.Received: (at 65391) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Aug 2023 17:47:18 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Aug 24 13:47:18 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38587 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1qZEQP-000552-PO for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2023 13:47:18 -0400 Received: from mx0.riseup.net ([198.252.153.6]:60824) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <raingloom@HIDDEN>) id 1qZEQN-00054o-RD for 65391 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2023 13:47:17 -0400 Received: from fews01-sea.riseup.net (fews01-sea-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.109]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mx0.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4RWrBK6Xnhz9s2N; Thu, 24 Aug 2023 17:47:05 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1692899225; bh=QV7k/FDcyBW+pN3SzUAg8tpE5kTIAvaOR3soQjoCeek=; h=References:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-reply-to:From; b=oqgefidoZwRVCuWQtaBpMCeKunlYSWKnGe1WRDwNyPTP2y+DaslmIhoZrHnEQsmZ2 kZDn/gj5ic7qrFkxiQOs8ealNv0OkeZaETxqi2XJM1yYZT8g0R68QVJXccNd+sQ+cM Qw2GEJ5r57TvSBLfuoBozyi0167Gwuj75Ls81QXM= X-Riseup-User-ID: 5903A5D3ABED0256E98E1C272639EAF529282BB2E5406EC9ACE6CF80B4AA2756 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews01-sea.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4RWrBK1VX5zJq6P; Thu, 24 Aug 2023 17:47:05 +0000 (UTC) References: <295ef8c8-574a-4169-98f3-6d9aaeb773f1@HIDDEN> <874jkqeiox.fsf@HIDDEN> <69663b24-0736-df6f-9ee4-95a77ea77f18@HIDDEN> From: Csepp <raingloom@HIDDEN> To: Maxime Devos <maximedevos@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#65391: People need to report failing builds even though we have ci.guix.gnu.org for that Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:38:36 +0200 In-reply-to: <69663b24-0736-df6f-9ee4-95a77ea77f18@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <875y54baeh.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 65391 Cc: Csepp <raingloom@HIDDEN>, 65391 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Maxime Devos <maximedevos@HIDDEN> writes: > [[PGP Signed Part:Undecided]] > Op 23-08-2023 om 01:45 schreef Csepp: >> I tried signing up to the CI mailing list and it immediately became >> overwhelming. > > If the CI list was split in =E2=80=98broken=E2=80=99 and =E2=80=98fixed= =E2=80=99, such that you have > the option to only subscribe to =E2=80=98broken=E2=80=99, would that help= ? A large > fraction of messages is for fixed packages, which do not need to be > acted upon. Yup, that would be an improvement. Or some way to group messages by package. >> One possible improvement I have been thinking about is making it easy >> for users to filter CI output to the packages in their profile closure, >> so for example they would get advance notice of any broken packages >> *before* attempting to install them. > > I assume you meant s/install/update. > > How is this an improvement? I mean, how does this make > > =E2=80=98People need to report failing builds even though we have > ci.guix.gnu.org for that.=E2=80=99 > > less true? > > Best regards, > Maxime Devos. > > [2. OpenPGP public key --- application/pgp-keys; OpenPGP_0x49E3EE22191725= EE.asc]... > > [[End of PGP Signed Part]] A user is more likely to be able and motivated to fix a package that they are using. Getting notifications as a stream is a recipe for alert fatigue. There needs to be a way to at the very least move actionable alert to the top of the list and to deduplicate alerts. TLDR: alert fatigue is bad and it should not be the casual contributor's job to fight it on their own. If its filtering and grouping is expected to be done on the client side then there should be guides for setting those filters up. Personally, it already takes enough time for me to read the bug discussions.
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I'm pretty sure I've >> mentioned this before, but there is no easy way to find out which inputs >> I need to fix to make a dependency failure disappear. I think everyone >> has better things to do than perform a linear search by hand. > > Go to the package of a failed build, e.g. > <https://ci.guix.gnu.org/build/1840209/details>. The dependencies you > need to fix are marked with a red cross or a red danger triangle. In > case of a danger triangle, you need to look at the dependencies of the > dependency, which you can visit via the hyperlink. > > I don't see any linear search here. > > Best regards, > Maxime Devos. > > [2. OpenPGP public key --- application/pgp-keys; OpenPGP_0x49E3EE22191725EE.asc]... > > [[End of PGP Signed Part]] That is precisely what the linear search algorithm is. I should not have to look through the dependency tree to figure out if two package failures have the same cause, or to know how many (possibly indirect) dependencies of a package are failing. As an example, pandoc often fails to build on i686, but when you look at the CI page, you see that it was caused by several of its inputs failing, all due to some of *their* dependencies. Now, you could dig down on one branch of the dependency DAG and find one failing package, but that doesn't *actually* answer the question: "what packages do I need to fix to enable this one?", because it could have multiple failing inputs instead of just one. The only way to tell is to look at each page, that means having to visually find each failing input on the page, wait for their CI pages to load, and repeat the whole process. If your browser is not particularly fast or you aren't so quick at navigating a webpage, this can take a while. But for the CI server, generating this information would take less than a second. Maybe some people value their time so little that they are fine with doing this the manual way, but personally I have better things to do.
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Full text available.Received: (at 65391) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Aug 2023 17:38:00 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Aug 24 13:38:00 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38578 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1qZEHP-0004pA-TE for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2023 13:38:00 -0400 Received: from mx1.riseup.net ([198.252.153.129]:51236) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <raingloom@HIDDEN>) id 1qZEHN-0004oh-UO for 65391 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2023 13:37:58 -0400 Received: from fews01-sea.riseup.net (fews01-sea-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.109]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4RWqzc1gtDzDrRD; Thu, 24 Aug 2023 17:37:48 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1692898668; bh=lnPh6Q2g2ZoTxSMB+2tNHr7fepwZqSqxUCRMHJJy8PE=; h=References:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-reply-to:From; b=cseMlGkholni11T5Rp92XwMhMPFi7tnsyh0MroYsu5fF601OY8zz0kUn3K8CBfy5x cIp2EMNWb8yFhmc8//Lz58i3rVG8ZZe5qMTSQlGgzuLLJBbf1zil0uiYIN8HHznfEB U/tLj+nW4UwiPDL4WnkfCOGdk3MqcN2As0CZOKI8= X-Riseup-User-ID: 8CD21BC18F6E88B5E94C16D37BE74F3ACDE92BC81B929B3F36B0402D1E36BA78 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews01-sea.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4RWqzb3z0TzJnD3; Thu, 24 Aug 2023 17:37:47 +0000 (UTC) References: <295ef8c8-574a-4169-98f3-6d9aaeb773f1@HIDDEN> <874jkqeiox.fsf@HIDDEN> <ad986d87-4da7-3df4-0cd5-0fb156d0498c@HIDDEN> From: Csepp <raingloom@HIDDEN> To: Maxime Devos <maximedevos@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#65391: People need to report failing builds even though we have ci.guix.gnu.org for that Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:27:35 +0200 In-reply-to: <ad986d87-4da7-3df4-0cd5-0fb156d0498c@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <87cyzcbau0.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 65391 Cc: bug-guix@HIDDEN, Csepp <raingloom@HIDDEN>, 65391 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Maxime Devos <maximedevos@HIDDEN> writes: > [[PGP Signed Part:Undecided]] > > > Op 23-08-2023 om 01:45 schreef Csepp: >> Also the CI UI could use some improvements. I'm pretty sure I've >> mentioned this before, but there is no easy way to find out which inputs >> I need to fix to make a dependency failure disappear. I think everyone >> has better things to do than perform a linear search by hand. > > Go to the package of a failed build, e.g. > <https://ci.guix.gnu.org/build/1840209/details>. The dependencies you > need to fix are marked with a red cross or a red danger triangle. In > case of a danger triangle, you need to look at the dependencies of the > dependency, which you can visit via the hyperlink. > > I don't see any linear search here. > > Best regards, > Maxime Devos. > > [2. OpenPGP public key --- application/pgp-keys; OpenPGP_0x49E3EE22191725EE.asc]... > > [[End of PGP Signed Part]] That is precisely what the linear search algorithm is. I should not have to look through the dependency tree to figure out if two package failures have the same cause, or to know how many (possibly indirect) dependencies of a package are failing. As an example, pandoc often fails to build on i686, but when you look at the CI page, you see that it was caused by several of its inputs failing, all due to some of *their* dependencies. Now, you could dig down on one branch of the dependency DAG and find one failing package, but that doesn't *actually* answer the question: "what packages do I need to fix to enable this one?", because it could have multiple failing inputs instead of just one. The only way to tell is to look at each page, that means having to visually find each failing input on the page, wait for their CI pages to load, and repeat the whole process. If your browser is not particularly fast or you aren't so quick at navigating a webpage, this can take a while. But for the CI server, generating this information would take less than a second. Maybe some people value their time so little that they are fine with doing this the manual way, but personally I have better things to do.
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Full text available.Received: (at 65391) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Aug 2023 17:26:52 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Aug 24 13:26:52 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38566 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1qZE6d-0004Vj-PB for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2023 13:26:52 -0400 Received: from mx0.riseup.net ([198.252.153.6]:34194) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <raingloom@HIDDEN>) id 1qZE6a-0004VR-VI for 65391 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2023 13:26:50 -0400 Received: from fews02-sea.riseup.net (fews02-sea-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.112]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mx0.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4RWqkk6bCKz9s2N; Thu, 24 Aug 2023 17:26:38 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1692897998; bh=KzomoJk71IQ31Zaup0uWbfXAtFeCqktcDehU1cSA3XQ=; h=References:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-reply-to:From; b=c2ABvRdQncDCRC/grOOVen/M69MfNuBqp2/2q9AA/lmG/hGmX5ILS0AWb6jSN99Sm zr/WVOOJWE2NNayUplDLVRcAWyS5yY7cHDE6gLUwwKKgIMyqrTUX0s3Xtg8aShVow3 JRzccH4AkTTwTy4NIUdx9xcMY+LHMk2QvMefS9Jw= X-Riseup-User-ID: 57738C11E68297C6997B008F1A6D3BD3D4430367992BB643D7E40A78556D6925 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews02-sea.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4RWqkk1j96zFpyp; Thu, 24 Aug 2023 17:26:38 +0000 (UTC) References: <295ef8c8-574a-4169-98f3-6d9aaeb773f1@HIDDEN> <874jkqeiox.fsf@HIDDEN> <86zg2gyd7n.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Csepp <raingloom@HIDDEN> To: Simon Tournier <zimon.toutoune@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#65391: People need to report failing builds even though we have ci.guix.gnu.org for that Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:23:58 +0200 In-reply-to: <86zg2gyd7n.fsf@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <87h6oobbcm.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 65391 Cc: Maxime Devos <maximedevos@HIDDEN>, Csepp <raingloom@HIDDEN>, 65391 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Simon Tournier <zimon.toutoune@HIDDEN> writes: > Hi, > > On Wed, 23 Aug 2023 at 01:45, Csepp <raingloom@HIDDEN> wrote: > >> One possible improvement I have been thinking about is making it easy >> for users to filter CI output to the packages in their profile closure, >> so for example they would get advance notice of any broken packages >> *before* attempting to install them. >> Teams could also have their own filters. > > Maybe I am missing what you would like, from my understanding, that=E2=80= =99s > already possible using time-machine and weather. For example, > > guix time-machine -- weather -m manifest.scm > > allow to know the status of the last commit. What is missing is a clear > return code for chaining. For instance, see this proposal: > > subject: guix weather exit status? > from: Leo Famulari <leo@HIDDEN> > date: Thu, 08 Jul 2021 16:35:03 -0400 > message-id: id:YOdhd7FfMOvKjTQe@HIDDEN > https://yhetil.org/guix/YOdhd7FfMOvKjTQe@HIDDEN > > However, I agree that the next step (find the log of the broken package) > for teams is a bit convoluted. > > Cheers, > simon Thanks, I was not aware of this solution, but it also kind of isn't a complete solution. A pull is a quite costly operation, why should I have to perform one on my netbook when what I'm trying to find out is which commit is actually worth pulling to?
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Maybe I am missing what you would like, from my understanding, that=E2=80= =99s already possible using time-machine and weather. For example, guix time-machine -- weather -m manifest.scm allow to know the status of the last commit. What is missing is a clear return code for chaining. For instance, see this proposal: subject: guix weather exit status? from: Leo Famulari <leo@HIDDEN> date: Thu, 08 Jul 2021 16:35:03 -0400 message-id: id:YOdhd7FfMOvKjTQe@HIDDEN https://yhetil.org/guix/YOdhd7FfMOvKjTQe@HIDDEN However, I agree that the next step (find the log of the broken package) for teams is a bit convoluted. Cheers, simon
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Full text available.Received: (at 65391) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Aug 2023 23:55:44 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Aug 22 19:55:44 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60618 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1qYbDs-0007On-8w for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2023 19:55:44 -0400 Received: from mx1.riseup.net ([198.252.153.129]:35818) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <raingloom@HIDDEN>) id 1qYbDq-0007Oa-Iz for 65391 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2023 19:55:43 -0400 Received: from fews01-sea.riseup.net (fews01-sea-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.109]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4RVmSP3QpHzDqj1; Tue, 22 Aug 2023 23:55:33 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1692748533; bh=cpH6Fp8iVWoQRHSzGbWdMB+QzZnGOZ6j+pGpe/qImbU=; h=References:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-reply-to:From; b=M6SSzwC2eWHxgwRVLbL0kVh6C7Jtdv6lcSyjJUrRPoQuWlisKFXk3qn2x2phONH5d +mNd+M/y/Z/attr07/kIF2pTMSOUhHgdldQI7OH5aMdISHEqUyz+hIued87yqikSc7 HEcyxXQ6tBjlP+AEumwoMuAvD3Fr0WndIhRqc/f0= X-Riseup-User-ID: D69C40C01EC4E0FC1DE750835721F1626D94C706BE27175F72B563DB060C77C3 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews01-sea.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4RVmSN4F12zJp2H; Tue, 22 Aug 2023 23:55:32 +0000 (UTC) References: <295ef8c8-574a-4169-98f3-6d9aaeb773f1@HIDDEN> From: Csepp <raingloom@HIDDEN> To: Maxime Devos <maximedevos@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#65391: People need to report failing builds even though we have ci.guix.gnu.org for that Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2023 01:45:04 +0200 In-reply-to: <295ef8c8-574a-4169-98f3-6d9aaeb773f1@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <874jkqeiox.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 65391 Cc: bug-guix@HIDDEN, 65391 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Maxime Devos <maximedevos@HIDDEN> writes: > [[PGP Signed Part:Undecided]] > For example, naev used to work just fine, yet apparently it doesn't > anymore: https://issues.guix.gnu.org/65390. > > Given that Guix has ci.guix.gnu.org, I would expect such new problems > to be detected and resolved early, and it was detected by > ci.guix.gnu.org, yet going by issues.guix.gnu.org it was never even > investigated. > > (Yes, there is a delay, but that doesn't matter at all, as there's > this dashboard <https://ci.guix.gnu.org/eval/668365/dashboard>.) > > Do people really need to report 33% of all jobs > (https://ci.guix.gnu.org/eval/668365/dashboard) before those failures > are taken seriously, instead of the =E2=80=98there don't seem to be that = much > more build failures from the core-updates/... merge, let's solve them > later (i.e., never)=E2=80=99 that seems to be status quo? > > Best regards, > Maxime Devos > > [2. OpenPGP public key --- application/pgp-keys; OpenPGP_0x49E3EE22191725= EE.asc]... > > [[End of PGP Signed Part]] I tried signing up to the CI mailing list and it immediately became overwhelming. Also the CI UI could use some improvements. I'm pretty sure I've mentioned this before, but there is no easy way to find out which inputs I need to fix to make a dependency failure disappear. I think everyone has better things to do than perform a linear search by hand. So I rely on my own installations for detecting errors, that way I at least know that I don't get flooded with notifications for packages I know nothing about. One possible improvement I have been thinking about is making it easy for users to filter CI output to the packages in their profile closure, so for example they would get advance notice of any broken packages *before* attempting to install them. Teams could also have their own filters.
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OpenPGP public key --- application/pgp-keys; OpenPGP_0x49E3EE22191725= EE.asc]... > > [[End of PGP Signed Part]] I tried signing up to the CI mailing list and it immediately became overwhelming. Also the CI UI could use some improvements. I'm pretty sure I've mentioned this before, but there is no easy way to find out which inputs I need to fix to make a dependency failure disappear. I think everyone has better things to do than perform a linear search by hand. So I rely on my own installations for detecting errors, that way I at least know that I don't get flooded with notifications for packages I know nothing about. One possible improvement I have been thinking about is making it easy for users to filter CI output to the packages in their profile closure, so for example they would get advance notice of any broken packages *before* attempting to install them. Teams could also have their own filters.
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