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Started emacs with `emacs -Q`
 C-h i, then browsed to Emacs Intro Tutorial, 10.3 Exercises with Yank and
nthcdr

I believe the behaviour of `yank-pop` (M-y) changed from the behaviour
described
in the tutorial. It gives options for autocompletion rather than cycling
the values within
the `kill-ring` variable. It would be desirable to rewrite that exercise to
reflect the actual
behaviour of the emacs interface.

Of further interest is that `kill-ring` now stores more than just the
strings, but also
many font properties. I believe this should be noted in the tutorial, so it
doesn't confuse
readers.

Cheers, Daniel.

In GNU Emacs 29.1 (build 2, x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version
 3.24.38, cairo version 1.17.8) of 2023-07-28 built on jabuticaba
Repository revision: c2d95dd00e6cb0abaf4e7550f38c8c2c9ca22f2d
Repository branch: emacs-29
System Description: Fedora Linux 38 (Workstation Edition)

Configured using:
 'configure --prefix=/home/dmvianna/.local --without-pop
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Started emacs with `emacs -Q`<div>=C2=A0C-h i, then browse=
d to Emacs Intro Tutorial, 10.3 Exercises with Yank and nthcdr</div><div><b=
r></div><div>I believe the behaviour of `yank-pop` (M-y) changed from the b=
ehaviour described</div><div>in the tutorial. It gives options for autocomp=
letion rather than cycling the values within</div><div>the `kill-ring` vari=
able. It would be desirable to rewrite that exercise to reflect the actual<=
/div><div>behaviour of the emacs interface.</div><div><br></div><div>Of fur=
ther interest is that `kill-ring` now stores more than just the strings, bu=
t also</div><div>many font properties. I believe this should be noted in th=
e tutorial, so it doesn&#39;t confuse</div><div>readers.</div><div><br></di=
v><div>Cheers, Daniel.</div><div><br>In GNU Emacs 29.1 (build 2, x86_64-red=
hat-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version<br>=C2=A03.24.38, cairo version 1.17.8) of 2023=
-07-28 built on jabuticaba<br>Repository revision: c2d95dd00e6cb0abaf4e7550=
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ra Linux 38 (Workstation Edition)<br><br>Configured using:<br>=C2=A0&#39;co=
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to-composition-mode: t<br>=C2=A0 auto-encryption-mode: t<br>=C2=A0 auto-com=
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niquify ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type elisp-mode mwheel<br>term/pgtk-=
win pgtk-win term/common-win pgtk-dnd tool-bar dnd fontset<br>image regexp-=
opt fringe tabulated-list replace newcomment text-mode<br>lisp-mode prog-mo=
de register page tab-bar menu-bar rfn-eshadow isearch<br>easymenu timer sel=
ect scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax<br>font-core term/tty-colors=
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an ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese<br>composite emoji-zwj charscript charp=
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12))<br></div></div>

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> From: Daniel Vianna <dmlvianna@HIDDEN>
> Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2023 13:36:35 +1000
> 
> Started emacs with `emacs -Q`
>  C-h i, then browsed to Emacs Intro Tutorial, 10.3 Exercises with Yank and nthcdr

To clarify: this is in the "" manual, the node "yank nthcdr
Exercises".

After reading that node, I don't see where it describes the behavior
incorrectly.  What it describes is what M-y does after C-y, and that
didn't change.  What _have_ changed is that now M-y can be invoked
after a command other than C-y or M-y.  This new behavior is simply
not mentioned in that node.

> Of further interest is that `kill-ring` now stores more than just the strings, but also
> many font properties. I believe this should be noted in the tutorial, so it doesn't confuse
> readers.

When did C-y and M-y NOT yank text with its properties?  I thought it
was always the case?

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> Cc: 65771 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
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> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>
> 
> > From: Daniel Vianna <dmlvianna@HIDDEN>
> > Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2023 13:36:35 +1000
> > 
> > Started emacs with `emacs -Q`
> >  C-h i, then browsed to Emacs Intro Tutorial, 10.3 Exercises with Yank and nthcdr
> 
> To clarify: this is in the "" manual, the node "yank nthcdr
> Exercises".

Sorry, forgot to fill in the blanks.  It was supposed to say

  To clarify: this is in the "Introduction to Programming in Emacs
Lisp" manual, the node "yank nthcdr Exercises".

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