GNU bug report logs - #65892
30.0.50; yank-media fails for clipboard selection that are wiped after being accessed

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From: Visuwesh <visuweshm <at> gmail.com>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 30.0.50; yank-media fails for clipboard selection that are wiped
 after being accessed
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2023 22:24:26 +0530

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To reproduce the bug,

    1. Install pcmanfm
    2. emacs -Q
    3. Eval the following lines 

    (defun vz/message-yank-media-copied-files-handler (_ data)
      "Attach files copied/cut from the file manager.
    DATA is a string where the first line is the operation to
    perform: copy or cut.  Rest are file: links.  The operation is
    always ignored, and the files are only attached."
      (let* ((files (cdr (split-string data "[\0\n\r]" t "^file://"))))
        (dolist (f files)
          (mml-attach-file f (or (mm-default-file-type f) "application/octet-stream")))))

     (add-hook 'message-mode-hook
               (defun vz/message-register-yank-media-handler ()
                 (yank-media-handler "x-special/gnome-copied-files"
                                     #'vz/message-yank-media-copied-files-handler)))
    4. C-x m
    5. Cut a file from pcmanfm using C-x
    6. In Emacs, choose the message-mode buffer and say M-x yank-media
    7. Witness the wrong-type-argument error

This happens because pcmanfm "wipes" the clipboard data it is accessed
once.  This is a problem because yank-media uses
yank-media--get-selection to access the clipboard data twice

    · Once in yank-media--find-matching-media to find out if the
      buffer's registered handlers can work with the data (see
      pcase-dolist form in yank-media function).  At this point,
      vz/message-register-yank-media-handler is chosen since it can
      handle x-special/gnome-copied-files (which is the type used for
      the cut file).

    · Second when yank-media calls the handler to do its thing, which
      can be seen in the funcall forms in yank-media function again.

The problem here is that once yank-media--find-matching-media calls
yank-media--get-selection to get the clipboard selection, pcmanfm wipes
the clipboard so when yank-media calls that function again and passes
the return value to the handler, the handler receives nil.

The attached patch fixes this issue by making
yank-media--find-matching-media return the selection value, and passing
the returned value to the handler avoiding calling
yank-media--get-selection again.

P.S. I don't know if it is a problem with other file managers.
P.P.S. I plan on submitting a patch to add the yank-media-handler here
       once this bug is fixed.

[0001-Fix-yank-media-when-clipboard-selection-is-wiped-aft.patch (text/x-diff, attachment)]

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In GNU Emacs 30.0.50 (build 7, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, X toolkit, Xaw
 scroll bars) of 2023-09-10 built on astatine
Repository revision: af1e860570191014d94484d6944348b1766ba59f
Repository branch: master
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Message #10 received at 65892 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Visuwesh <visuweshm <at> gmail.com>
To: 65892 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: 30.0.50; yank-media fails for clipboard selection that are
 wiped after being accessed
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2024 09:23:20 +0530

I apologise for neglecting to speak out loud before the emacs-30 branch
cut.  Is there a chance to get this patch in emacs-30?  I am using this
patch ever since I sent it to debbugs and I do not face any issue wrt
the pcmanfm issue shown here and other applications which do not wipe
the clipboard.  It would be nice to have it in emacs-30 especially with
org-mode gaining yank-media support for files copied/cut from a file
manager.

[செவ்வாய் செப்டம்பர் 12, 2023] Visuwesh wrote:

> To reproduce the bug,
>
>     1. Install pcmanfm
>     2. emacs -Q
>     3. Eval the following lines 
>
>     (defun vz/message-yank-media-copied-files-handler (_ data)
>       "Attach files copied/cut from the file manager.
>     DATA is a string where the first line is the operation to
>     perform: copy or cut.  Rest are file: links.  The operation is
>     always ignored, and the files are only attached."
>       (let* ((files (cdr (split-string data "[\0\n\r]" t "^file://"))))
>         (dolist (f files)
>           (mml-attach-file f (or (mm-default-file-type f) "application/octet-stream")))))
>
>      (add-hook 'message-mode-hook
>                (defun vz/message-register-yank-media-handler ()
>                  (yank-media-handler "x-special/gnome-copied-files"
>                                      #'vz/message-yank-media-copied-files-handler)))
>     4. C-x m
>     5. Cut a file from pcmanfm using C-x
>     6. In Emacs, choose the message-mode buffer and say M-x yank-media
>     7. Witness the wrong-type-argument error
>
> This happens because pcmanfm "wipes" the clipboard data it is accessed
> once.  This is a problem because yank-media uses
> yank-media--get-selection to access the clipboard data twice
>
>     · Once in yank-media--find-matching-media to find out if the
>       buffer's registered handlers can work with the data (see
>       pcase-dolist form in yank-media function).  At this point,
>       vz/message-register-yank-media-handler is chosen since it can
>       handle x-special/gnome-copied-files (which is the type used for
>       the cut file).
>
>     · Second when yank-media calls the handler to do its thing, which
>       can be seen in the funcall forms in yank-media function again.
>
> The problem here is that once yank-media--find-matching-media calls
> yank-media--get-selection to get the clipboard selection, pcmanfm wipes
> the clipboard so when yank-media calls that function again and passes
> the return value to the handler, the handler receives nil.
>
> The attached patch fixes this issue by making
> yank-media--find-matching-media return the selection value, and passing
> the returned value to the handler avoiding calling
> yank-media--get-selection again.
>
> P.S. I don't know if it is a problem with other file managers.
> P.P.S. I plan on submitting a patch to add the yank-media-handler here
>        once this bug is fixed.
>
>
>
>
> In GNU Emacs 30.0.50 (build 7, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, X toolkit, Xaw
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> Repository branch: master
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> Features:
> (shadow timezone pcmpl-git emacsbug help-at-pt whitespace gnus-cus
> gnus-demon gnus-diary nndiary gnus-dup gnus-fun gnus-html gnus-kill
> gnus-logic gnus-mh mh-comp mh-scan mh-gnus mh-e mh-buffers mh-loaddefs
> gnus-registry registry rmailsum rmail gnus-salt gnus-topic gnus-vm
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> gnus-draft conf-mode emacs-news-mode gnuplot-context gnuplot molar-mass
> calc-mode calc-undo calc-stuff calc-aent calc-math calc-map calc-yank
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> calc-ext calc calc-loaddefs calc-macs rect wdired shr-color ind-util
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> semantic/lex-spp semantic/complete semantic/bovine/debug semantic/debug
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> speedbar dframe semantic/bovine/gcc semantic/grammar semantic/grammar-wy
> semantic/html html-mode-expansions sgml-mode semantic/idle
> semantic/imenu semantic/db-file data-debug cedet-files
> semantic/wisent/java-tags semantic/wisent/javat-wy
> semantic/wisent/javascript-jv semantic/wisent/js-wy semantic/java
> semantic/doc semantic/bovine/make semantic/bovine/make-by make-mode
> semantic/decorate/mode semantic/decorate semantic/mru-bookmark
> semantic/wisent/python semantic/wisent/python-wy semantic/analyze/refs
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> srecode/srt-mode semantic/analyze semantic/sort semantic/scope
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Message #13 received at 65892 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Visuwesh <visuweshm <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 65892 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#65892: 30.0.50;
 yank-media fails for clipboard selection that are wiped after being
 accessed
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2024 15:13:55 +0300

> From: Visuwesh <visuweshm <at> gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2024 09:23:20 +0530
> 
> I apologise for neglecting to speak out loud before the emacs-30 branch
> cut.  Is there a chance to get this patch in emacs-30?  I am using this
> patch ever since I sent it to debbugs and I do not face any issue wrt
> the pcmanfm issue shown here and other applications which do not wipe
> the clipboard.  It would be nice to have it in emacs-30 especially with
> org-mode gaining yank-media support for files copied/cut from a file
> manager.

I can be convinced to make such changes on the release branch only if
all they do is make a function whose return value was not interesting
to return a useful value.  But the patch does more than that: it
introduces pcase-dolist and replaces some FOO with (car FOO) in at
least 3 occasions.  Such changes make me uncomfortable, especially
given that this is a case where Emacs needs to jump through hoops to
work around misfeatures of some 3rd-party utility.

Can you rewrite the patch so that it will be clear at a glance that it
cannot possibly cause any harm because it just causes the same code
return a value?  If you can, we have a chance of installing this on
the emacs-30 branch.

And, btw, I wonder whether enough people use pcmanfm for us to bother
about this issue.

Thanks.

Message #16 received at 65892 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Visuwesh <visuweshm <at> gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 65892 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#65892: 30.0.50; yank-media fails for clipboard selection
 that are wiped after being accessed
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2024 19:16:09 +0530

[Message part 1 (text/plain, inline)]

[திங்கள் ஜூன் 24, 2024] Eli Zaretskii wrote:

>> From: Visuwesh <visuweshm <at> gmail.com>
>> Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2024 09:23:20 +0530
>> 
>> I apologise for neglecting to speak out loud before the emacs-30 branch
>> cut.  Is there a chance to get this patch in emacs-30?  I am using this
>> patch ever since I sent it to debbugs and I do not face any issue wrt
>> the pcmanfm issue shown here and other applications which do not wipe
>> the clipboard.  It would be nice to have it in emacs-30 especially with
>> org-mode gaining yank-media support for files copied/cut from a file
>> manager.
>
> I can be convinced to make such changes on the release branch only if
> all they do is make a function whose return value was not interesting
> to return a useful value.  But the patch does more than that: it
> introduces pcase-dolist and replaces some FOO with (car FOO) in at
> least 3 occasions.  

Thanks for the review and consideration, Eli.  The patch only touched
the return value of a helper function.

> Such changes make me uncomfortable, especially given that this is a
> case where Emacs needs to jump through hoops to work around
> misfeatures of some 3rd-party utility.

I suspect similar behaviour will be shown by other file managers.

> Can you rewrite the patch so that it will be clear at a glance that it
> cannot possibly cause any harm because it just causes the same code
> return a value?  If you can, we have a chance of installing this on
> the emacs-30 branch.

I hope the attached patch makes the intent clear.  I added a doc-string
to the internal function too, and removed pcase-dolist and extra car to
make the code simpler.

> And, btw, I wonder whether enough people use pcmanfm for us to bother
> about this issue.

AFAIK, pcmanfm is fairly popular among the window manager users crowd
due to its light-weight.

[0001-Fix-yank-media-when-clipboard-selection-is-wiped-aft.patch (text/x-diff, attachment)]

Message #19 received at 65892 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com>
To: Visuwesh <visuweshm <at> gmail.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, 65892 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#65892: 30.0.50; yank-media fails for clipboard selection
 that are wiped after being accessed
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2024 11:45:34 +0800

Visuwesh <visuweshm <at> gmail.com> writes:

> [திங்கள் ஜூன் 24, 2024] Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>
>>> From: Visuwesh <visuweshm <at> gmail.com>
>>> Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2024 09:23:20 +0530
>>> 
>>> I apologise for neglecting to speak out loud before the emacs-30 branch
>>> cut.  Is there a chance to get this patch in emacs-30?  I am using this
>>> patch ever since I sent it to debbugs and I do not face any issue wrt
>>> the pcmanfm issue shown here and other applications which do not wipe
>>> the clipboard.  It would be nice to have it in emacs-30 especially with
>>> org-mode gaining yank-media support for files copied/cut from a file
>>> manager.
>>
>> I can be convinced to make such changes on the release branch only if
>> all they do is make a function whose return value was not interesting
>> to return a useful value.  But the patch does more than that: it
>> introduces pcase-dolist and replaces some FOO with (car FOO) in at
>> least 3 occasions.  
>
> Thanks for the review and consideration, Eli.  The patch only touched
> the return value of a helper function.
>
>> Such changes make me uncomfortable, especially given that this is a
>> case where Emacs needs to jump through hoops to work around
>> misfeatures of some 3rd-party utility.
>
> I suspect similar behaviour will be shown by other file managers.
>
>> Can you rewrite the patch so that it will be clear at a glance that it
>> cannot possibly cause any harm because it just causes the same code
>> return a value?  If you can, we have a chance of installing this on
>> the emacs-30 branch.
>
> I hope the attached patch makes the intent clear.  I added a doc-string
> to the internal function too, and removed pcase-dolist and extra car to
> make the code simpler.
>
>> And, btw, I wonder whether enough people use pcmanfm for us to bother
>> about this issue.
>
> AFAIK, pcmanfm is fairly popular among the window manager users crowd
> due to its light-weight.

I suspect another implication of this is that pcmanfm is actively
developed, so is there any chance of your filing a request with their
developers that they not disclaim ownership of selections after
responding to a request?  It is a very peculiar action for any X client,
and surely it's not only Emacs that is or will be affected.

Message #22 received at 65892 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Visuwesh <visuweshm <at> gmail.com>
To: Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, 65892 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#65892: 30.0.50; yank-media fails for clipboard selection
 that are wiped after being accessed
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2024 10:06:35 +0530

[செவ்வாய் ஜூன் 25, 2024] Po Lu wrote:

>> [...]
>>> And, btw, I wonder whether enough people use pcmanfm for us to bother
>>> about this issue.
>>
>> AFAIK, pcmanfm is fairly popular among the window manager users crowd
>> due to its light-weight.
>
> I suspect another implication of this is that pcmanfm is actively
> developed, so is there any chance of your filing a request with their
> developers that they not disclaim ownership of selections after
> responding to a request?  It is a very peculiar action for any X client,
> and surely it's not only Emacs that is or will be affected.

I do not actually use pcmanfm.  It was simply the first file-manager
that came to my mind as I developed the feature for org-mode.  But if no
takes the cake, I will report a bug report once I have the time.

BTW, I would be happy if I can do the above copying/cutting files from
_dired_ without resorting to xclip(1) to set non-STRING targets.  I
tried to do it with the facilities offered by Emacs but failed to set
_only_ the required target without other things like STRING.  The same
happened when I tried to copy an image to the clipboard.  I would be
happy to open a bug report or some such if you're interested.

Message #25 received at 65892 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Visuwesh <visuweshm <at> gmail.com>
Cc: luangruo <at> yahoo.com, 65892 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#65892: 30.0.50; yank-media fails for clipboard selection
 that are wiped after being accessed
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2024 15:59:31 +0300

> From: Visuwesh <visuweshm <at> gmail.com>
> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>,  65892 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2024 10:06:35 +0530
> 
> BTW, I would be happy if I can do the above copying/cutting files from
> _dired_ without resorting to xclip(1) to set non-STRING targets.  I
> tried to do it with the facilities offered by Emacs but failed to set
> _only_ the required target without other things like STRING.  The same
> happened when I tried to copy an image to the clipboard.  I would be
> happy to open a bug report or some such if you're interested.

Isn't this the expected behavior?  The application that sets the
clipboard data has no idea what the consumer might need or would want
to do with the data.  It could past the image, or it could take the
image's meta-data (STRING) and do something with it.  Or it could take
the image's file name and copy the file somewhere.  Or something else.
This is why it is customary to put all the relevant data types in the
clipboard, so that the consumers could take whatever they need.

Message #28 received at 65892 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Visuwesh <visuweshm <at> gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: luangruo <at> yahoo.com, 65892 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#65892: 30.0.50; yank-media fails for clipboard selection
 that are wiped after being accessed
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2024 09:50:33 +0530

[செவ்வாய் ஜூன் 25, 2024] Eli Zaretskii wrote:

>> From: Visuwesh <visuweshm <at> gmail.com>
>> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>,  65892 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
>> Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2024 10:06:35 +0530
>> 
>> BTW, I would be happy if I can do the above copying/cutting files from
>> _dired_ without resorting to xclip(1) to set non-STRING targets.  I
>> tried to do it with the facilities offered by Emacs but failed to set
>> _only_ the required target without other things like STRING.  The same
>> happened when I tried to copy an image to the clipboard.  I would be
>> happy to open a bug report or some such if you're interested.
>
> Isn't this the expected behavior?  The application that sets the
> clipboard data has no idea what the consumer might need or would want
> to do with the data.  It could past the image, or it could take the
> image's meta-data (STRING) and do something with it.  Or it could take
> the image's file name and copy the file somewhere.  Or something else.
> This is why it is customary to put all the relevant data types in the
> clipboard, so that the consumers could take whatever they need.

While what you say makes perfect sense, I seldom find this to be the
case.  But I think I worded my message too poorly.  As per the manual [1], I
can set use text-property to set an alternate TARGET as

    (gui-set-selection
     'CLIPBOARD
     (propertize "asd" 'x-special/gnome-copied-files
                 "copy\nfile:///home/viz/.mkshrc\nfile:///home/viz/.profile\0"))

If I do

    (x-get-clipboard)

I get

    #("asd" 0 3 (x-special/gnome-copied-files "copy
    file:///home/viz/.mkshrc
    file:///home/viz/.profile\0"))

(where I changed the actual NULL character to \0).  But 

    (gui-get-selection 'CLIPBOARD 'x-special/gnome-copied-files) ;; => nil

In fact, if I do

    (gui-get-selection 'CLIPBOARD 'TARGETS)

I get

    [TIMESTAMP MULTIPLE TEXT COMPOUND_TEXT STRING UTF8_STRING text/plain text/plain\;charset=utf-8 TARGETS LENGTH DELETE FILE_NAME CHARACTER_POSITION LINE_NUMBER COLUMN_NUMBER OWNER_OS HOST_NAME USER CLASS NAME ATOM INTEGER SAVE_TARGETS]

with the x-special/gnome-copied-files nowhere in sight.  If I evaluate
x-get-clipboard in a fresh emacs -Q, I obviously don't see the
text-property too.  I thought the inability of gui-get-selection to
return the expected was because there isn't a proper function for the
TARGET in selection-converter-alist but that should not matter since
yank-media does handle this type fine with just a gui-get-selection
call.  So the problem is with the inability to specify the TARGETS I
think.  If I do

    % printf '%s\0' "copy\nfile:///home/viz/.mkshrc\nfile:///home/viz/.profile" |xclip -t x-special/gnome-copied-files -selection clipboard

I get

    (gui-get-selection 'CLIPBOARD 'TARGETS) ;; => [TARGETS x-special/gnome-copied-files]

If you replace x-special/gnome-copied-files with an image, the same
argument holds.

Perhaps I simply do not understand the manual but I cannot find how to
set the TARGET properly.  It would be nice if the relevant info node
could have examples of gui-set-selection that does sets the clipboard to
have an image as the DATA, or something else.

I hope this is clear.  Sorry for my late reply.

1. (info "(elisp) Window System Selections")

Message #31 received at 65892 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com>
To: Visuwesh <visuweshm <at> gmail.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, 65892 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#65892: 30.0.50; yank-media fails for clipboard selection
 that are wiped after being accessed
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2024 16:59:50 +0800

Visuwesh <visuweshm <at> gmail.com> writes:

> While what you say makes perfect sense, I seldom find this to be the
> case.  But I think I worded my message too poorly.  As per the manual [1], I
> can set use text-property to set an alternate TARGET as
>
>     (gui-set-selection
>      'CLIPBOARD
>      (propertize "asd" 'x-special/gnome-copied-files
>                  "copy\nfile:///home/viz/.mkshrc\nfile:///home/viz/.profile\0"))
>
> If I do
>
>     (x-get-clipboard)
>
> I get
>
>     #("asd" 0 3 (x-special/gnome-copied-files "copy
>     file:///home/viz/.mkshrc
>     file:///home/viz/.profile\0"))
>
> (where I changed the actual NULL character to \0).  But 
>
>     (gui-get-selection 'CLIPBOARD 'x-special/gnome-copied-files) ;; => nil
>
> In fact, if I do
>
>     (gui-get-selection 'CLIPBOARD 'TARGETS)
>
> I get
>
>     [TIMESTAMP MULTIPLE TEXT COMPOUND_TEXT STRING UTF8_STRING text/plain text/plain\;charset=utf-8 TARGETS LENGTH DELETE FILE_NAME CHARACTER_POSITION LINE_NUMBER COLUMN_NUMBER OWNER_OS HOST_NAME USER CLASS NAME ATOM INTEGER SAVE_TARGETS]
>
> with the x-special/gnome-copied-files nowhere in sight.  If I evaluate
> x-get-clipboard in a fresh emacs -Q, I obviously don't see the
> text-property too.  I thought the inability of gui-get-selection to
> return the expected was because there isn't a proper function for the
> TARGET in selection-converter-alist but that should not matter since
> yank-media does handle this type fine with just a gui-get-selection
> call.  So the problem is with the inability to specify the TARGETS I
> think.  If I do
>
>     % printf '%s\0' "copy\nfile:///home/viz/.mkshrc\nfile:///home/viz/.profile" |xclip -t x-special/gnome-copied-files -selection clipboard
>
> I get
>
>     (gui-get-selection 'CLIPBOARD 'TARGETS) ;; => [TARGETS x-special/gnome-copied-files]
>
> If you replace x-special/gnome-copied-files with an image, the same
> argument holds.
>
> Perhaps I simply do not understand the manual but I cannot find how to
> set the TARGET properly.  It would be nice if the relevant info node
> could have examples of gui-set-selection that does sets the clipboard to
> have an image as the DATA, or something else.
>
> I hope this is clear.  Sorry for my late reply.
>
> 1. (info "(elisp) Window System Selections")

You misunderstand the purpose of permitting properties in selection data
strings, I think.  They are not designed to provide new data types, nor
do they in fact do so, but to enable specifying values specific to a
data type for which an existing selection converter is defined.

Undoubtedly Emacs can be extended with facilities that suit your
requirements, but the release is too close at hand for such new features
as these, I'm afraid.

Message #34 received at 65892 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Visuwesh <visuweshm <at> gmail.com>
To: Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, 65892 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#65892: 30.0.50; yank-media fails for clipboard selection
 that are wiped after being accessed
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2024 15:33:28 +0530

[வெள்ளி ஜூன் 28, 2024] Po Lu wrote:

> Visuwesh <visuweshm <at> gmail.com> writes:
>
>> While what you say makes perfect sense, I seldom find this to be the
>> case.  But I think I worded my message too poorly.  As per the manual [1], I
>> can set use text-property to set an alternate TARGET as
>>
>>     (gui-set-selection
>>      'CLIPBOARD
>>      (propertize "asd" 'x-special/gnome-copied-files
>>                  "copy\nfile:///home/viz/.mkshrc\nfile:///home/viz/.profile\0"))
>>
>> If I do
>>
>>     (x-get-clipboard)
>>
>> I get
>>
>>     #("asd" 0 3 (x-special/gnome-copied-files "copy
>>     file:///home/viz/.mkshrc
>>     file:///home/viz/.profile\0"))
>>
>> (where I changed the actual NULL character to \0).  But 
>>
>>     (gui-get-selection 'CLIPBOARD 'x-special/gnome-copied-files) ;; => nil
>>
>> In fact, if I do
>>
>>     (gui-get-selection 'CLIPBOARD 'TARGETS)
>>
>> I get
>>
>>     [TIMESTAMP MULTIPLE TEXT COMPOUND_TEXT STRING UTF8_STRING text/plain text/plain\;charset=utf-8 TARGETS LENGTH DELETE FILE_NAME CHARACTER_POSITION LINE_NUMBER COLUMN_NUMBER OWNER_OS HOST_NAME USER CLASS NAME ATOM INTEGER SAVE_TARGETS]
>>
>> with the x-special/gnome-copied-files nowhere in sight.  If I evaluate
>> x-get-clipboard in a fresh emacs -Q, I obviously don't see the
>> text-property too.  I thought the inability of gui-get-selection to
>> return the expected was because there isn't a proper function for the
>> TARGET in selection-converter-alist but that should not matter since
>> yank-media does handle this type fine with just a gui-get-selection
>> call.  So the problem is with the inability to specify the TARGETS I
>> think.  If I do
>>
>>     % printf '%s\0' "copy\nfile:///home/viz/.mkshrc\nfile:///home/viz/.profile" |xclip -t x-special/gnome-copied-files -selection clipboard
>>
>> I get
>>
>>     (gui-get-selection 'CLIPBOARD 'TARGETS) ;; => [TARGETS x-special/gnome-copied-files]
>>
>> If you replace x-special/gnome-copied-files with an image, the same
>> argument holds.
>>
>> Perhaps I simply do not understand the manual but I cannot find how to
>> set the TARGET properly.  It would be nice if the relevant info node
>> could have examples of gui-set-selection that does sets the clipboard to
>> have an image as the DATA, or something else.
>>
>> I hope this is clear.  Sorry for my late reply.
>>
>> 1. (info "(elisp) Window System Selections")
>
> You misunderstand the purpose of permitting properties in selection data
> strings, I think.

As I expected.

> They are not designed to provide new data types, nor
> do they in fact do so, but to enable specifying values specific to a
> data type for which an existing selection converter is defined.

Can the documentation please be expanded to make this point clear?
Given that it talks about text/uri-list, I misunderstood that Emacs can
set clipboard with any TARGET value.  Clearly this is not the case.
Including some more examples would also improve the documentation
significantly IMO.  As it is, it is very hard to understand the
facility.

> Undoubtedly Emacs can be extended with facilities that suit your
> requirements, but the release is too close at hand for such new features
> as these, I'm afraid.

I do not ask for this feature in this release in any case.  It was
merely a side-request/question since I have been left confused for
months now.

Message #39 received at 65892-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Visuwesh <visuweshm <at> gmail.com>
To: Po Lu <luangruo <at> yahoo.com>
Cc: 65892-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Subject: Re: bug#65892: 30.0.50; yank-media fails for clipboard selection
 that are wiped after being accessed
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2025 12:22:36 +0530

[Tuesday June 25, 2024] Po Lu wrote:

>>> And, btw, I wonder whether enough people use pcmanfm for us to bother
>>> about this issue.
>>
>> AFAIK, pcmanfm is fairly popular among the window manager users crowd
>> due to its light-weight.
>
> I suspect another implication of this is that pcmanfm is actively
> developed, so is there any chance of your filing a request with their
> developers that they not disclaim ownership of selections after
> responding to a request?  It is a very peculiar action for any X client,
> and surely it's not only Emacs that is or will be affected.

Since it was decided it is a bug in pcmanfm's side, I'm closing the bug.

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