Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN>
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Full text available.Received: (at 65905) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Sep 2023 05:59:41 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Sep 14 01:59:41 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36596 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1qgfO9-0004nq-GI for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2023 01:59:41 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40886) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1qgfO7-0004nX-E5 for 65905 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2023 01:59:40 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1qgfNw-00049V-CM; Thu, 14 Sep 2023 01:59:28 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=bRbN4tXl9e4iY86Q6MI4mfwI+xxM8Kw0DPbGm9yU3XE=; b=Zl9gZdzvYlihdH4G/w86 uIz8xyhVgvcG1aWHMp1DdH9xCJr6UTm0MaTgoyh8Oy3o1zXg7XZOETudVO7MkoI/RgpY2NKSI20Ev edcMCxm7X7/4G8PpcgFz0qTiFLLnmMH94mI2i8fI4q0Xa/ycTIH5py3X0rT1xjFHxGokA9w7gHwuH EeIfZY2S1GZiz9/jXe5tlp5t+Fg6hcMZSn/95cjSXD1arlPex5FHtvjyRNfRZjwLAkH8kQ/+7+2yR oClIEoGXRsA4S7QJWzBU7S8nE8+3R851OHvOXiG/ehkKImtE5ZDTQTs6t/MI1rcdNOyzVmhWz9YJd q+TI0BJ64pvo2w==; Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2023 08:59:18 +0300 Message-Id: <837cotmh1l.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: =?utf-8?Q?K=C3=A9vin?= Le Gouguec <kevin.legouguec@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <874jjx94eo.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from =?utf-8?Q?K=C3=A9vin?= Le Gouguec on Wed, 13 Sep 2023 22:58:23 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#65905: 30.0.50; Consider changing info buffer names to info<(org)> rather than info<3> References: <87jzsu3cx9.fsf@HIDDEN> <83bke6nsam.fsf@HIDDEN> <87a5tq2mj5.fsf@HIDDEN> <83sf7im87e.fsf@HIDDEN> <874jjx94eo.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 65905 Cc: lockywolf@HIDDEN, 65905 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Kévin Le Gouguec <kevin.legouguec@HIDDEN> > Cc: Vladimir Nikishkin <lockywolf@HIDDEN>, 65905 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2023 22:58:23 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > > > It's not? I think it is the same. You wanted a simply way of getting > > back to a manual that you were reading earlier in the session, which > > you still have in some Info buffer, no? That's what "C-h R" does: it > > first looks in the Info buffers already present in the session, and, > > if not found, then looks for the manual installed on the system. In > > your case, the first step will succeed. > > Speaking for myself: "C-x b PATTERN TAB" is kind of ingrained in my > muscle memory to switch back to all sorts of buffers I know are open. > So my brain turns "Switch back to that Info buffer for the FOO manual" > into "C-x b info TAB", then I stare blankly at the "*info<N>*" > candidates for a couple of seconds, and pick one at random. > > Point taken re. C-h R (which even limits completion to opened manuals > with C-u, neat), though switching buffers with C-x b is such a generic > action that I perform dozens of times an hour without thinking twice, > that I suspect stopping myself from C-x b'ing just for Info buffers is > going to be hard. It isn't, rest assured: I walked that way myself.
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Exactly! > Point taken re. C-h R (which even limits completion to opened manuals > with C-u, neat), though switching buffers with C-x b is such a generic > action that I perform dozens of times an hour without thinking twice, > that I suspect stopping myself from C-x b'ing just for Info buffers is > going to be hard. C-u C-h R ??? I didn't know about this behaviour of the prefix argument! It does make things simpler, although really, I think that just adding a call to (rename-buffer) at the end of 'info-display-manual would not be that bad. --=20 Your sincerely, Vladimir Nikishkin (MiEr, lockywolf) (Laptop)
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I think it is the same. You wanted a simply way of getting >> > back to a manual that you were reading earlier in the session, which >> > you still have in some Info buffer, no? That's what "C-h R" does: it >> > first looks in the Info buffers already present in the session, and, >> > if not found, then looks for the manual installed on the system. In >> > your case, the first step will succeed. >> > >> >> No, it does not do that. C-h R just prompts for a "Manual name: " in the >> minibuffer, and if I press TAB, shows all the names for all the >> installed manuals in the system. > > You are supposed to type "org" and press RET when it prompts. Because > you know you want to go to the Org manual, right? No, that is the point, I _do not_ know which manual I am going to. I am typing C-x b info TAB to see all open info buffers. And I would like to see: info<org> info<epa> info<mu4e> rather than info<1> info<2> info<3>. >> It does switch to the previously open buffer, if I happen to remember >> the name of the manual. But if I do not remember whether I was reading >> epa's manual, or pgg's manual (similar features!), I have to go through >> them by trial and error. > > Then I don't understand something. Your original request was to name > the buffer "*info*<org>", so that you could type > > C-x b *info*<org> RET > > to return to it, right? But if you don't remember the name of the > manual, how would you know to type the "<org>" part in the above? With TAB-completion. (Or, if someone uses a narrowing framework, like ivy or helm, it would get by even without TAB.) -- Your sincerely, Vladimir Nikishkin (MiEr, lockywolf) (Laptop)
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It will find the existing Info buffer >> > without your need to remember any numbers. Just type >> > >> > C-h R org RET >> > >> > I have dozens of Info manuals in my Emacs sessions, and I always use >> > "C-h R" to get to those whose numbers I don't remember (which is all >> > but the 2 Emacs manuals). >> >> But it's not the same thing, is it? > > It's not? I think it is the same. You wanted a simply way of getting > back to a manual that you were reading earlier in the session, which > you still have in some Info buffer, no? That's what "C-h R" does: it > first looks in the Info buffers already present in the session, and, > if not found, then looks for the manual installed on the system. In > your case, the first step will succeed. Speaking for myself: "C-x b PATTERN TAB" is kind of ingrained in my muscle memory to switch back to all sorts of buffers I know are open. So my brain turns "Switch back to that Info buffer for the FOO manual" into "C-x b info TAB", then I stare blankly at the "*info<N>*" candidates for a couple of seconds, and pick one at random. Point taken re. C-h R (which even limits completion to opened manuals with C-u, neat), though switching buffers with C-x b is such a generic action that I perform dozens of times an hour without thinking twice, that I suspect stopping myself from C-x b'ing just for Info buffers is going to be hard. Not an urgent issue by any means; just one of the things I plan on digging into someday. Adding an option to control that call to `info' at the end of `info-display-manual' doesn't seem too hard; just haven't found the time yet (and maybe eventually I'll end up sticking a call to rename-buffer in Info-mode-hook and calling it a day instead).
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It will find the existing Info buffer >> > without your need to remember any numbers. Just type >> > >> > C-h R org RET >> > >> > I have dozens of Info manuals in my Emacs sessions, and I always use >> > "C-h R" to get to those whose numbers I don't remember (which is all >> > but the 2 Emacs manuals). >> >> But it's not the same thing, is it? > > It's not? I think it is the same. You wanted a simply way of getting > back to a manual that you were reading earlier in the session, which > you still have in some Info buffer, no? That's what "C-h R" does: it > first looks in the Info buffers already present in the session, and, > if not found, then looks for the manual installed on the system. In > your case, the first step will succeed. > No, it does not do that. C-h R just prompts for a "Manual name: " in the minibuffer, and if I press TAB, shows all the names for all the installed manuals in the system. >> If I open some manual recently and then forget its name, how do I switch >> back _to that manual which I have been reading in the past hour but >> which name I do not remember_? > > That's what "C-h R" does. Did you try it? If you did, how did it not > "switch back _to that manual which I have been reading in the past > hour"? For me, it switches back to that manual and to the same place > where I was before. What am I missing? It does switch to the previously open buffer, if I happen to remember the name of the manual. But if I do not remember whether I was reading epa's manual, or pgg's manual (similar features!), I have to go through them by trial and error. >> I also have a hack to show buffer names in window titles, and seeing >> there info<org> is nicer than info<3>. > > If you want to show the name of the Info file on the title bar, you > can modify frame-title-format to use Info-current-file in Info > buffers. My hackish script is doing that, but I don't want to cater for each mode possible. Whey wouldn't a mode name it's buffers informatively? -- Your sincerely, Vladimir Nikishkin (MiEr, lockywolf) (Laptop)
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From: Vladimir Nikishkin <lockywolf@HIDDEN>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>
Subject: Re: bug#65905: 30.0.50; Consider changing info buffer names to
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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
>> From: Vladimir Nikishkin <lockywolf@HIDDEN>
>> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2023 12:09:48 +0800
>>
>>
>> Dear Emacs Developers,
>>
>> I would like to ask for a small usability improvement to Emacs. Could we
>> name info buffers as "info<(manual)>" (or, maybe, just
>> "info<org.info>"), not as "info<3>"? I do not always remember in which
>> order I open info manuals, and having a file name in the buffer name
>> should be nice an easily readable.
>
> Did you try using "C-h R"? It will find the existing Info buffer
> without your need to remember any numbers. Just type
>
> C-h R org RET
>
> I have dozens of Info manuals in my Emacs sessions, and I always use
> "C-h R" to get to those whose numbers I don't remember (which is all
> but the 2 Emacs manuals).
But it's not the same thing, is it?
If I open some manual recently and then forget its name, how do I switch
back _to that manual which I have been reading in the past hour but
which name I do not remember_?
At the moment I have installed an advice:
#+begin_src
(advice-add 'info-display-manual :after
(lambda (x)
(rename-buffer (seq-concatenate 'string "info<" (file-name-nondirectory Info-current-file) ">"))))
#+end_src
I also have a hack to show buffer names in window titles, and seeing
there info<org> is nicer than info<3>.
(But that snippet is a little suboptimal, so I am a little hesitant to
show it.)
#+begin_src elisp
(defvar-local lockywolf/org-buffer-memoized-title nil)
(defun lockywolf/generate-frame-title ()
"Generated frame title from all buffers."
(interactive)
(let* ((retval "")
(nwin (let ((nwin 0))
(walk-window-tree
(lambda (x) (setf nwin (+ 1 nwin))))
nwin))
(maxlen (if (= nwin 1) 999 11)))
;; (message "lwf:debug:nwin=%s" nwin)
(walk-window-tree
(lambda (x)
;; (message "mode=%s" major-mode)
(defun truncate-title (title)
(seq-subseq
title
0
(min maxlen (seq-length title))))
(setf retval
(seq-concatenate
'string
retval
" "
(let ((wb (window-buffer x)))
(with-current-buffer wb
(truncate-title
(if (not (equalp major-mode 'org-mode))
(buffer-name wb)
;;;;; org-get-title is super slow
;; (progn
;; (if (buffer-modified-p)
;; (setf lockywolf/org-buffer-memoized-title (org-get-title)))
;; (if (equalp nil lockywolf/org-buffer-memoized-title)
;; (setf lockywolf/org-buffer-memoized-title (buffer-name wb)))
;; lockywolf/org-buffer-memoized-title)
(seq-concatenate 'string "TMP:" (buffer-name wb))
))
))))))
(setf (frame-parameter nil 'name) retval)
retval))
(setq-default frame-title-format '(:eval (lockywolf/generate-frame-title)))
#+end_src
--
Your sincerely,
Vladimir Nikishkin (MiEr, lockywolf)
(Laptop)
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From: Vladimir Nikishkin <lockywolf@HIDDEN>
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Subject: 30.0.50; Consider changing info buffer names to info<(org)> rather
than info<3>
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2023 12:09:48 +0800
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Dear Emacs Developers,
I would like to ask for a small usability improvement to Emacs. Could we
name info buffers as "info<(manual)>" (or, maybe, just
"info<org.info>"), not as "info<3>"? I do not always remember in which
order I open info manuals, and having a file name in the buffer name
should be nice an easily readable.
So far I worked around this by adding:
#+begin_src
(advice-add 'info-display-manual :after
(lambda (x)
(rename-buffer (seq-concatenate 'string "info<" (file-name-nondirectory Info-current-file) ">"))))
#+end_src
But advices are generally a hack (albeit very useful), so I thought that
someone might like this feature to be "official".
Thanks a lot!
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Your sincerely,
Vladimir Nikishkin (MiEr, lockywolf)
(Laptop)
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