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[79.160.60.78]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x14-20020a19f60e000000b004ff89a88ef7sm727808lfe.14.2023.09.15.11.27.49 for <bug-guix@HIDDEN> (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 15 Sep 2023 11:27:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2023 20:27:32 +0200 From: Lars Rustand <rustand.lars@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <xxlwcsoh7rear4uvg4ual2rylwothzbmgnyr5vwuyxdw6wu67b@wpoyabx34qfl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="6ykd63xbamni3i6a" Content-Disposition: inline Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::12a; envelope-from=rustand.lars@HIDDEN; helo=mail-lf1-x12a.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 15 Sep 2023 14:55:41 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) --6ykd63xbamni3i6a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Setting up a RAID array using UUIDs does not work. 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I think this big "typeof" based dynamic dispatch that we're using in Scheme is erm, not very robust, to put it mildly.
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