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When trying to use C-x v v in a vc-diff buffer, and when the version
control system is Fossil (this is using GNU patch):

Checking in foo...
user-error: Patch failed: can't find file to patch at input line 5
Perhaps you used the wrong -p or --strip option?
The text leading up to this was:
--------------------------
|Index: foo
|==================================================================
|--- foo
|+++ foo
--------------------------
File to patch: 
Skip this patch? [y] 
Skipping patch.
1 out of 1 hunk ignored


To reproduce, make a empty Fossil repostiroy, add and commit a file,
add a line, C-x v =, C-x v v.  vc-fossil has to be installed.


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On 26/09/2023 15:25, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote:
> When trying to use C-x v v in a vc-diff buffer, and when the version
> control system is Fossil (this is using GNU patch):
> 
> Checking in foo...
> user-error: Patch failed: can't find file to patch at input line 5
> Perhaps you used the wrong -p or --strip option?
> The text leading up to this was:
> --------------------------
> |Index: foo
> |==================================================================
> |--- foo
> |+++ foo
> --------------------------
> File to patch:
> Skip this patch? [y]
> Skipping patch.
> 1 out of 1 hunk ignored
> 
> 
> To reproduce, make a empty Fossil repostiroy, add and commit a file,
> add a line, C-x v =, C-x v v.  vc-fossil has to be installed.

Could you do some more investigation?

Is it just that 'patch' is unable to recognize the format of the diff 
file? Or is it launched from the wrong directory? With wrong arguments?

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> From: "Alfred M. Szmidt" <ams@HIDDEN>
> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2023 08:25:01 -0400
> 
> 
> When trying to use C-x v v in a vc-diff buffer, and when the version
> control system is Fossil (this is using GNU patch):
> 
> Checking in foo...
> user-error: Patch failed: can't find file to patch at input line 5
> Perhaps you used the wrong -p or --strip option?
> The text leading up to this was:
> --------------------------
> |Index: foo
> |==================================================================
> |--- foo
> |+++ foo
> --------------------------
> File to patch: 
> Skip this patch? [y] 
> Skipping patch.
> 1 out of 1 hunk ignored
> 
> 
> To reproduce, make a empty Fossil repostiroy, add and commit a file,
> add a line, C-x v =, C-x v v.  vc-fossil has to be installed.

Crystal ball says that vc-fossil (which is not part of Emacs, AFAICT)
either doesn't instruct Fossil to produce root-relative file names in
the diffs (IOW, "foo" above should actually ne "some/directory/foo"),
or doesn't set the default-directory of the vc-diff buffer to the
directory of the files as named in the diffs.

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   > From: "Alfred M. Szmidt" <ams@HIDDEN>
   > Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2023 08:25:01 -0400
   > 
   > 
   > When trying to use C-x v v in a vc-diff buffer, and when the version
   > control system is Fossil (this is using GNU patch):
   > 
   > Checking in foo...
   > user-error: Patch failed: can't find file to patch at input line 5
   > Perhaps you used the wrong -p or --strip option?
   > The text leading up to this was:
   > --------------------------
   > |Index: foo
   > |==================================================================
   > |--- foo
   > |+++ foo
   > --------------------------
   > File to patch: 
   > Skip this patch? [y] 
   > Skipping patch.
   > 1 out of 1 hunk ignored
   > 
   > 
   > To reproduce, make a empty Fossil repostiroy, add and commit a file,
   > add a line, C-x v =, C-x v v.  vc-fossil has to be installed.

   Crystal ball says that vc-fossil (which is not part of Emacs, AFAICT)
   either doesn't instruct Fossil to produce root-relative file names in
   the diffs (IOW, "foo" above should actually ne "some/directory/foo"),

The file foo was in ./ -- so I think the above is correct.

   or doesn't set the default-directory of the vc-diff buffer to the
   directory of the files as named in the diffs.

I'll check that.

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> I'll check that.

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> I'll check that.

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Hello,

same here. Since we upgraded our Debian servers from 12 to 13, we cannot
use vc-mode with fossil, that was working fine before. We are using stock
Debian 13 Emacs (30.1), Fossil (2.26) and elpa-vc-fossil (2023.05.04).

After reading the information in this bug, I've done some experiments. I've
discovered that:

* It works if I start Emacs from the project root directory, but only the
first commit. The next ones, it fails.
* It fails if Emacs is started from any other directory.

The message is similar to the ones reported here, like:

Patch failed: can't find file to patch at input line 5
Perhaps you used the wrong -p or --strip option?
The text leading up to this was:
--------------------------
|Index: bin/affiliations2institutions.rb
|==================================================================
|--- bin/affiliations2institutions.rb
|+++ bin/affiliations2institutions.rb
--------------------------
File to patch:
Skip this patch? [y]
Skipping patch.
5 out of 5 hunks ignored

Hope it helps,

Ferran

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hello,</div><div><br></div><div></di=
v><div>same here. Since we upgraded our Debian servers from 12 to 13, we ca=
nnot use vc-mode with fossil, that was working fine before. We are using st=
ock Debian 13 Emacs (30.1), Fossil (2.26) and=C2=A0elpa-vc-fossil (2023.05.=
04).</div><div><br></div><div>After reading the information in this bug, I&=
#39;ve done some experiments. I&#39;ve discovered that:</div><div><br></div=
><div>* It works if I start Emacs from the project root directory, but only=
 the first commit. The next ones, it fails.</div><div></div><div>* It fails=
 if Emacs is started from any other directory.</div><div><br></div>The mess=
age is similar to the ones reported here, like:</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Patch failed: can&#39;t find file to patch at in=
put line 5<br>Perhaps you used the wrong -p or --strip option?<br>The text =
leading up to this was:<br>--------------------------<br>|Index: bin/affili=
ations2institutions.rb<br>|=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
<br>|--- bin/affiliations2institutions.rb<br>|+++ bin/affiliations2institut=
ions.rb<br>--------------------------<br>File to patch:<br>Skip this patch?=
 [y]<br>Skipping patch.<br>5 out of 5 hunks ignored<br><br></div><div>Hope =
it helps,</div><div><br></div><div>Ferran</div></div></div>

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Hi, thanks for the ping.

Let's Cc Alfred, who is the maintainer of this package.

On 15/11/2025 08:09, Ferran Jorba wrote:
> same here. Since we upgraded our Debian servers from 12 to 13, we cannot 
> use vc-mode with fossil, that was working fine before. We are using 
> stock Debian 13 Emacs (30.1), Fossil (2.26) and elpa-vc-fossil (2023.05.04).
> 
> After reading the information in this bug, I've done some experiments. 
> I've discovered that:
> 
> * It works if I start Emacs from the project root directory, but only 
> the first commit. The next ones, it fails.
> * It fails if Emacs is started from any other directory.
> 
> The message is similar to the ones reported here, like:
> 
> Patch failed: can't find file to patch at input line 5
> Perhaps you used the wrong -p or --strip option?
> The text leading up to this was:
> --------------------------
> |Index: bin/affiliations2institutions.rb
> |==================================================================
> |--- bin/affiliations2institutions.rb
> |+++ bin/affiliations2institutions.rb
> --------------------------
> File to patch:
> Skip this patch? [y]
> Skipping patch.
> 5 out of 5 hunks ignored

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Hi Dmitry,

Sure. Please tell me if we can do any other test, although I'm elisp
illiterate. I was eager to use your Emacs partial commit feature (
https://gutov.dev/blog/2024/03/03/committing-a-partial-changeset-in-emacs/),
as Fossil does not provide it natively. But now we are in a worse situation
than before, as we cannot commit from within Emacs any more. Fortunately,
we can inspect differences, logs and so on, but not commits.

Thanks,

Ferran

Missatge de Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@HIDDEN> del dia dt., 18 de nov. 2025 a
les 1:32:

> Hi, thanks for the ping.
>
> Let's Cc Alfred, who is the maintainer of this package.
>
> On 15/11/2025 08:09, Ferran Jorba wrote:
> > same here. Since we upgraded our Debian servers from 12 to 13, we cannot
> > use vc-mode with fossil, that was working fine before. We are using
> > stock Debian 13 Emacs (30.1), Fossil (2.26) and elpa-vc-fossil
> (2023.05.04).
> >
> > After reading the information in this bug, I've done some experiments.
> > I've discovered that:
> >
> > * It works if I start Emacs from the project root directory, but only
> > the first commit. The next ones, it fails.
> > * It fails if Emacs is started from any other directory.
> >
> > The message is similar to the ones reported here, like:
> >
> > Patch failed: can't find file to patch at input line 5
> > Perhaps you used the wrong -p or --strip option?
> > The text leading up to this was:
> > --------------------------
> > |Index: bin/affiliations2institutions.rb
> > |==================================================================
> > |--- bin/affiliations2institutions.rb
> > |+++ bin/affiliations2institutions.rb
> > --------------------------
> > File to patch:
> > Skip this patch? [y]
> > Skipping patch.
> > 5 out of 5 hunks ignored
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi Dmitry,</div><div><br></div><div>Sure. Please tell=
 me if we can do any other test, although=C2=A0I&#39;m elisp illiterate. I =
was eager to use your Emacs partial commit feature (<a href=3D"https://guto=
v.dev/blog/2024/03/03/committing-a-partial-changeset-in-emacs/">https://gut=
ov.dev/blog/2024/03/03/committing-a-partial-changeset-in-emacs/</a>), as Fo=
ssil does not provide it natively. But now we are in a worse situation than=
 before, as we cannot commit from within Emacs any more. Fortunately, we ca=
n inspect differences, logs and so on, but not commits.</div><div><br></div=
><div>Thanks,</div><div><br></div><div>Ferran</div></div><br><div class=3D"=
gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">Mi=
ssatge de Dmitry Gutov &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dmitry@HIDDEN">dmitry@gutov=
.dev</a>&gt; del dia dt., 18 de nov. 2025 a les 1:32:<br></div><blockquote =
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id rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi, thanks for the ping.<br>
<br>
Let&#39;s Cc Alfred, who is the maintainer of this package.<br>
<br>
On 15/11/2025 08:09, Ferran Jorba wrote:<br>
&gt; same here. Since we upgraded our Debian servers from 12 to 13, we cann=
ot <br>
&gt; use vc-mode with fossil, that was working fine before. We are using <b=
r>
&gt; stock Debian 13 Emacs (30.1), Fossil (2.26) and=C2=A0elpa-vc-fossil (2=
023.05.04).<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; After reading the information in this bug, I&#39;ve done some experime=
nts. <br>
&gt; I&#39;ve discovered that:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; * It works if I start Emacs from the project root directory, but only =
<br>
&gt; the first commit. The next ones, it fails.<br>
&gt; * It fails if Emacs is started from any other directory.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; The message is similar to the ones reported here, like:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Patch failed: can&#39;t find file to patch at input line 5<br>
&gt; Perhaps you used the wrong -p or --strip option?<br>
&gt; The text leading up to this was:<br>
&gt; --------------------------<br>
&gt; |Index: bin/affiliations2institutions.rb<br>
&gt; |=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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&gt; |--- bin/affiliations2institutions.rb<br>
&gt; |+++ bin/affiliations2institutions.rb<br>
&gt; --------------------------<br>
&gt; File to patch:<br>
&gt; Skip this patch? [y]<br>
&gt; Skipping patch.<br>
&gt; 5 out of 5 hunks ignored<br>
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On 18/11/2025 07:53, Ferran Jorba wrote:
> Sure. Please tell me if we can do any other test, although I'm elisp 
> illiterate. I was eager to use your Emacs partial commit feature 
> (https://gutov.dev/blog/2024/03/03/committing-a-partial-changeset-in- 
> emacs/ <https://gutov.dev/blog/2024/03/03/committing-a-partial- 
> changeset-in-emacs/>), as Fossil does not provide it natively.

Glad to hear that.

> But now 
> we are in a worse situation than before, as we cannot commit from within 
> Emacs any more. Fortunately, we can inspect differences, logs and so on, 
> but not commits.

And this sounds bad. But committing from a VC Dir buffer still works, 
right? Or did that break in a recent version as well?

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[sorry for the duplicate, I forgot to reply everybody]

Yes, vc-dir works perfectly.

On Debian 12 we could use all vc-mode features for Fossil that we tried:
inspect logs, compare from base version, commits, etc. On Debian 13 we can
do everything except for commits. Before finding this bug report, I forced
the installation of previous (2022.07.07-1) version of elpa-vc-fossil (
https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=elpa-vc-fossil), just to check
if we could commit, but the errors are the same. So I suspect that is some
change in the behaviour of vc-mode that now makes vc-fossil fail.

Ferran


Missatge de Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@HIDDEN> del dia dt., 18 de nov. 2025 a
les 17:13:

> On 18/11/2025 07:53, Ferran Jorba wrote:
> > Sure. Please tell me if we can do any other test, although I'm elisp
> > illiterate. I was eager to use your Emacs partial commit feature
> > (https://gutov.dev/blog/2024/03/03/committing-a-partial-changeset-in-
> > emacs/ <https://gutov.dev/blog/2024/03/03/committing-a-partial-
> > changeset-in-emacs/>), as Fossil does not provide it natively.
>
> Glad to hear that.
>
> > But now
> > we are in a worse situation than before, as we cannot commit from within
> > Emacs any more. Fortunately, we can inspect differences, logs and so on,
> > but not commits.
>
> And this sounds bad. But committing from a VC Dir buffer still works,
> right? Or did that break in a recent version as well?
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>[sorry for the duplicate, I forgot t=
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 Debian 12 we could use all vc-mode features for Fossil that we tried:=20
inspect logs, compare from base version, commits, etc. On Debian 13 we=20
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suspect that is some change in the behaviour of vc-mode that now makes=20
vc-fossil fail.</div><div><br></div><div>Ferran</div></div><br></div><br><d=
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ail_attr">Missatge de Dmitry Gutov &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dmitry@HIDDEN">=
dmitry@HIDDEN</a>&gt; del dia dt., 18 de nov. 2025 a les 17:13:<br></div=
><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border=
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ran Jorba wrote:<br>
&gt; Sure. Please tell me if we can do any other test, although=C2=A0I&#39;=
m elisp <br>
&gt; illiterate. I was eager to use your Emacs partial commit feature <br>
&gt; (<a href=3D"https://gutov.dev/blog/2024/03/03/committing-a-partial-cha=
ngeset-in-" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://gutov.dev/blog/202=
4/03/03/committing-a-partial-changeset-in-</a> <br>
&gt; emacs/ &lt;<a href=3D"https://gutov.dev/blog/2024/03/03/committing-a-p=
artial-" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://gutov.dev/blog/2024/0=
3/03/committing-a-partial-</a> <br>
&gt; changeset-in-emacs/&gt;), as Fossil does not provide it natively.<br>
<br>
Glad to hear that.<br>
<br>
&gt; But now <br>
&gt; we are in a worse situation than before, as we cannot commit from with=
in <br>
&gt; Emacs any more. Fortunately, we can inspect differences, logs and so o=
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And this sounds bad. But committing from a VC Dir buffer still works, <br>
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Hi again!

On 18/11/2025 18:26, Ferran Jorba wrote:
> [sorry for the duplicate, I forgot to reply everybody]
> 
> Yes, vc-dir works perfectly.
> 
> On Debian 12 we could use all vc-mode features for Fossil that we tried: 
> inspect logs, compare from base version, commits, etc. On Debian 13 we 
> can do everything except for commits.

Sorry, please clarify: does 'C-x v v' inside a VC Dir buffer not work 
anymore either? And neither 'C-x v v' inside a file buffer?

This would indicate a larger scale of compatibility breakage than 
originally indicated in this report (which was about doing commits from 
inside vc-diff buffers).

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Hello Dmitry,

good question. It turns out that I routinely was performing the commit from
the diff (C-x v =) buffer, and it failed (and it still fails). It did work
using Debian 12 versions of the packages.

However, now I've done the commit from the file buffer itself, and it has
worked perfectly. Twice, commiting two different files. Thanks so much for
noticing it. So the incompatibility is more restricted.  But it seems that
I won't be able to use your partial commit feature yet.

Best regards,

Ferran


Missatge de Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@HIDDEN> del dia dc., 19 de nov. 2025 a
les 0:34:

> Hi again!
>
> On 18/11/2025 18:26, Ferran Jorba wrote:
> > [sorry for the duplicate, I forgot to reply everybody]
> >
> > Yes, vc-dir works perfectly.
> >
> > On Debian 12 we could use all vc-mode features for Fossil that we tried:
> > inspect logs, compare from base version, commits, etc. On Debian 13 we
> > can do everything except for commits.
>
> Sorry, please clarify: does 'C-x v v' inside a VC Dir buffer not work
> anymore either? And neither 'C-x v v' inside a file buffer?
>
> This would indicate a larger scale of compatibility breakage than
> originally indicated in this report (which was about doing commits from
> inside vc-diff buffers).
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hello Dmitry,</div><div><br></div><div>good question.=
 It turns out that I routinely was performing the commit from the diff (C-x=
 v =3D) buffer, and it failed (and it still fails). It did work using Debia=
n 12 versions of the packages.</div><br><div>However, now I&#39;ve done the=
 commit from the file buffer itself, and it has worked perfectly. Twice, co=
mmiting two different files. Thanks so much for noticing it. So the incompa=
tibility is more restricted.=C2=A0 But it seems that I won&#39;t be able to=
 use your partial commit feature yet.</div><div><br></div><div>Best regards=
,</div><div><br></div><div>Ferran</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class=
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">Missatge de Dmitry Gutov &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dmitry@HIDDEN">dmitry@g=
utov.dev</a>&gt; del dia dc., 19 de nov. 2025 a les 0:34:<br></div><blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px=
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<br>
On 18/11/2025 18:26, Ferran Jorba wrote:<br>
&gt; [sorry for the duplicate, I forgot to reply everybody]<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Yes, vc-dir works perfectly.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; On Debian 12 we could use all vc-mode features for Fossil that we trie=
d: <br>
&gt; inspect logs, compare from base version, commits, etc. On Debian 13 we=
 <br>
&gt; can do everything except for commits.<br>
<br>
Sorry, please clarify: does &#39;C-x v v&#39; inside a VC Dir buffer not wo=
rk <br>
anymore either? And neither &#39;C-x v v&#39; inside a file buffer?<br>
<br>
This would indicate a larger scale of compatibility breakage than <br>
originally indicated in this report (which was about doing commits from <br=
>
inside vc-diff buffers).<br>
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Hello Dmitry,

I've just discovered now that I cannot longer inspect file history (C-x v
l) and hit d in the history buffer, it complains with a "Wrong type
argument: stringp, nil". It used to work in Debian 12.

Hope it helps,

Ferran

Missatge de Ferran Jorba <ferran.jorba@HIDDEN> del dia dc., 19 de nov.
2025 a les 8:44:

> Hello Dmitry,
>
> good question. It turns out that I routinely was performing the commit
> from the diff (C-x v =) buffer, and it failed (and it still fails). It did
> work using Debian 12 versions of the packages.
>
> However, now I've done the commit from the file buffer itself, and it has
> worked perfectly. Twice, commiting two different files. Thanks so much for
> noticing it. So the incompatibility is more restricted.  But it seems that
> I won't be able to use your partial commit feature yet.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Ferran
>
>
> Missatge de Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@HIDDEN> del dia dc., 19 de nov. 2025
> a les 0:34:
>
>> Hi again!
>>
>> On 18/11/2025 18:26, Ferran Jorba wrote:
>> > [sorry for the duplicate, I forgot to reply everybody]
>> >
>> > Yes, vc-dir works perfectly.
>> >
>> > On Debian 12 we could use all vc-mode features for Fossil that we
>> tried:
>> > inspect logs, compare from base version, commits, etc. On Debian 13 we
>> > can do everything except for commits.
>>
>> Sorry, please clarify: does 'C-x v v' inside a VC Dir buffer not work
>> anymore either? And neither 'C-x v v' inside a file buffer?
>>
>> This would indicate a larger scale of compatibility breakage than
>> originally indicated in this report (which was about doing commits from
>> inside vc-diff buffers).
>>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hello Dmitry,</div><div><br></div><div>I&#39;ve just =
discovered=C2=A0now that I cannot longer inspect file history (C-x v l) and=
 hit d in the history buffer, it complains with a &quot;Wrong type argument=
: stringp, nil&quot;. It used to work in Debian 12.</div><div><br></div><di=
v>Hope it helps,</div><div><br></div><div>Ferran</div></div><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr=
">Missatge de Ferran Jorba &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ferran.jorba@HIDDEN">fe=
rran.jorba@HIDDEN</a>&gt; del dia dc., 19 de nov. 2025 a les 8:44:<br></=
div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bor=
der-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div=
>Hello Dmitry,</div><div><br></div><div>good question. It turns out that I =
routinely was performing the commit from the diff (C-x v =3D) buffer, and i=
t failed (and it still fails). It did work using Debian 12 versions of the =
packages.</div><br><div>However, now I&#39;ve done the commit from the file=
 buffer itself, and it has worked perfectly. Twice, commiting two different=
 files. Thanks so much for noticing it. So the incompatibility is more rest=
ricted.=C2=A0 But it seems that I won&#39;t be able to use your partial com=
mit feature yet.</div><div><br></div><div>Best regards,</div><div><br></div=
><div>Ferran</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">Missatge de Dmitry Gutov &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:dmitry@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">dmitry@HIDDEN</a>&gt; del dia d=
c., 19 de nov. 2025 a les 0:34:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);pa=
dding-left:1ex">Hi again!<br>
<br>
On 18/11/2025 18:26, Ferran Jorba wrote:<br>
&gt; [sorry for the duplicate, I forgot to reply everybody]<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Yes, vc-dir works perfectly.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; On Debian 12 we could use all vc-mode features for Fossil that we trie=
d: <br>
&gt; inspect logs, compare from base version, commits, etc. On Debian 13 we=
 <br>
&gt; can do everything except for commits.<br>
<br>
Sorry, please clarify: does &#39;C-x v v&#39; inside a VC Dir buffer not wo=
rk <br>
anymore either? And neither &#39;C-x v v&#39; inside a file buffer?<br>
<br>
This would indicate a larger scale of compatibility breakage than <br>
originally indicated in this report (which was about doing commits from <br=
>
inside vc-diff buffers).<br>
</blockquote></div>
</blockquote></div>

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On 19/11/2025 18:05, Ferran Jorba wrote:
> I've just discovered now that I cannot longer inspect file history (C-x 
> v l) and hit d in the history buffer, it complains with a "Wrong type 
> argument: stringp, nil". It used to work in Debian 12.

It might be of help if you 'M-x toggle-debug-on-error' (to turn that 
on), then try reproducing the problem, and then send us the resulting 
backtrace.

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Sure. Thanks for the hint. This is what I've seen:

Debugger entered--Lisp error: (wrong-type-argument stringp nil)
  vc-fossil-diff(("/home/ddd/lib/ruby/uab_muscat_utils.rb")
"c9aed878023edfbff93125b727fff9155736c92b" "988d765fa5" "*vc-diff*" t)
  vc-call-backend(Fossil diff ("/home/ddd/lib/ruby/uab_muscat_utils.rb")
"c9aed878023edfbff93125b727fff9155736c92b" "988d765fa5" "*vc-diff*" t)
  vc-diff-internal(t (Fossil ("/home/ddd/lib/ruby/uab_muscat_utils.rb"))
"c9aed878023edfbff93125b727fff9155736c92b" "988d765fa5")
  log-view-diff-common(149 149)
  log-view-diff(149 149)
  funcall-interactively(log-view-diff 149 149)
  command-execute(log-view-diff)

Hope it helps,

Ferran

Missatge de Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@HIDDEN> del dia dj., 20 de nov. 2025 a
les 4:29:

> On 19/11/2025 18:05, Ferran Jorba wrote:
> > I've just discovered now that I cannot longer inspect file history (C-x
> > v l) and hit d in the history buffer, it complains with a "Wrong type
> > argument: stringp, nil". It used to work in Debian 12.
>
> It might be of help if you 'M-x toggle-debug-on-error' (to turn that
> on), then try reproducing the problem, and then send us the resulting
> backtrace.
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>Sure. Thanks for the hint. This is what I&#39;ve=
 seen:</div><div></div><div><br></div>Debugger entered--Lisp error: (wrong-=
type-argument stringp nil)<br>=C2=A0 vc-fossil-diff((&quot;/home/ddd/lib/ru=
by/uab_muscat_utils.rb&quot;) &quot;c9aed878023edfbff93125b727fff9155736c92=
b&quot; &quot;988d765fa5&quot; &quot;*vc-diff*&quot; t)<br>=C2=A0 vc-call-b=
ackend(Fossil diff (&quot;/home/ddd/lib/ruby/uab_muscat_utils.rb&quot;) &qu=
ot;c9aed878023edfbff93125b727fff9155736c92b&quot; &quot;988d765fa5&quot; &q=
uot;*vc-diff*&quot; t)<br>=C2=A0 vc-diff-internal(t (Fossil (&quot;/home/dd=
d/lib/ruby/uab_muscat_utils.rb&quot;)) &quot;c9aed878023edfbff93125b727fff9=
155736c92b&quot; &quot;988d765fa5&quot;)<br>=C2=A0 log-view-diff-common(149=
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view-diff 149 149)<br>=C2=A0 command-execute(log-view-diff)<br><br></div><d=
iv>Hope it helps,</div><div><br></div><div>Ferran</div></div><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr=
">Missatge de Dmitry Gutov &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dmitry@HIDDEN">dmitry@g=
utov.dev</a>&gt; del dia dj., 20 de nov. 2025 a les 4:29:<br></div><blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px=
 solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 19/11/2025 18:05, Ferran Jorba=
 wrote:<br>
&gt; I&#39;ve just discovered=C2=A0now that I cannot longer inspect file hi=
story (C-x <br>
&gt; v l) and hit d in the history buffer, it complains with a &quot;Wrong =
type <br>
&gt; argument: stringp, nil&quot;. It used to work in Debian 12.<br>
<br>
It might be of help if you &#39;M-x toggle-debug-on-error&#39; (to turn tha=
t <br>
on), then try reproducing the problem, and then send us the resulting <br>
backtrace.<br>
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On 20/11/2025 09:26, Ferran Jorba wrote:
> Sure. Thanks for the hint. This is what I've seen:
> 
> Debugger entered--Lisp error: (wrong-type-argument stringp nil)
>    vc-fossil-diff(("/home/ddd/lib/ruby/uab_muscat_utils.rb") 
> "c9aed878023edfbff93125b727fff9155736c92b" "988d765fa5" "*vc-diff*" t)
>    vc-call-backend(Fossil diff ("/home/ddd/lib/ruby/ 
> uab_muscat_utils.rb") "c9aed878023edfbff93125b727fff9155736c92b" 
> "988d765fa5" "*vc-diff*" t)
>    vc-diff-internal(t (Fossil ("/home/ddd/lib/ruby/ 
> uab_muscat_utils.rb")) "c9aed878023edfbff93125b727fff9155736c92b" 
> "988d765fa5")
>    log-view-diff-common(149 149)
>    log-view-diff(149 149)
>    funcall-interactively(log-view-diff 149 149)
>    command-execute(log-view-diff)

Thanks! If you could do a little more:

* Navigate to the definition of vc-fossil-diff (using 'C-u M-.', or 'M-x 
find-function').
* Instrument it for interactive debugging using 'C-u C-M-x' (you can 
undo that later using plain 'C-M-x').
* Invoke the same scenario as above, pressing 'd' in a log-view buffer.

You should see the interactive debugged started inside that function. 
Step through using SPC until the wrong-type-argument error is signaled. 
I'm curious which place in the code does that.

Looking at its definition in 
https://tumbleweed.nu/r/vc-fossil/file?name=vc-fossil.el&ci=tip, nothing 
jumps out. As long as

   (vc-fossil-root (car files))

returns the root and not nil (which it probably does), the rest should 
just work.

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Hello Dmitry,

Please clarify: does this mean that the error you mention in the
> paragraph below is gone?
>
> Otherwise, help debugging it is exactly what I was asking for.
>
> > Summarizing, the regression is that in the previous version, it was
> > possible to commit a file buffer from the diff buffer, and now it is
> > not; it has to be done from the file buffer.


No, this error is not gone. But it only happens when commiting from the
diff buffer. But toggling toggle-debug-on-error does not show any lisp
code, so I'm not able to provide more debugging info. Inspecting file
history (C-x l) works perfectly, albeit the errors I reported a few days
ago.

Hope it helps,

Ferran

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div><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204=
,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
Please clarify: does this mean that the error you mention in the <br>
paragraph below is gone?<br>
<br>
Otherwise, help debugging it is exactly what I was asking for.<br>
<br>
&gt; Summarizing, the regression is that in the previous version, it was <b=
r>
&gt; possible to commit a file buffer from the diff buffer, and now it is <=
br>
&gt; not; it has to be done from the file buffer.</blockquote><div><br></di=
v><div>No, this error is not gone. But it only happens when commiting=C2=A0=
from the diff buffer. But toggling toggle-debug-on-error does not show any =
lisp code, so I&#39;m not able to provide more debugging info. Inspecting f=
ile history (C-x l) works perfectly, albeit the errors I reported a=C2=A0fe=
w days ago.</div><div><br></div><div>Hope it helps,</div><div><br></div><di=
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Hello Dmitry,

I'm sorry, but I haven't been able to trigger the error again, as many
times as I have tried.

Summarizing, the regression is that in the previous version, it was
possible to commit a file buffer from the diff buffer, and now it is not;
it has to be done from the file buffer.

Thanks for your interest,

Ferran


Missatge de Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@HIDDEN> del dia dv., 21 de nov. 2025 a
les 3:46:

> On 20/11/2025 09:26, Ferran Jorba wrote:
> > Sure. Thanks for the hint. This is what I've seen:
> >
> > Debugger entered--Lisp error: (wrong-type-argument stringp nil)
> >    vc-fossil-diff(("/home/ddd/lib/ruby/uab_muscat_utils.rb")
> > "c9aed878023edfbff93125b727fff9155736c92b" "988d765fa5" "*vc-diff*" t)
> >    vc-call-backend(Fossil diff ("/home/ddd/lib/ruby/
> > uab_muscat_utils.rb") "c9aed878023edfbff93125b727fff9155736c92b"
> > "988d765fa5" "*vc-diff*" t)
> >    vc-diff-internal(t (Fossil ("/home/ddd/lib/ruby/
> > uab_muscat_utils.rb")) "c9aed878023edfbff93125b727fff9155736c92b"
> > "988d765fa5")
> >    log-view-diff-common(149 149)
> >    log-view-diff(149 149)
> >    funcall-interactively(log-view-diff 149 149)
> >    command-execute(log-view-diff)
>
> Thanks! If you could do a little more:
>
> * Navigate to the definition of vc-fossil-diff (using 'C-u M-.', or 'M-x
> find-function').
> * Instrument it for interactive debugging using 'C-u C-M-x' (you can
> undo that later using plain 'C-M-x').
> * Invoke the same scenario as above, pressing 'd' in a log-view buffer.
>
> You should see the interactive debugged started inside that function.
> Step through using SPC until the wrong-type-argument error is signaled.
> I'm curious which place in the code does that.
>
> Looking at its definition in
> https://tumbleweed.nu/r/vc-fossil/file?name=vc-fossil.el&ci=tip, nothing
> jumps out. As long as
>
>    (vc-fossil-root (car files))
>
> returns the root and not nil (which it probably does), the rest should
> just work.
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hello Dmitry,</div><div><br></div><d=
iv>I&#39;m sorry, but I haven&#39;t been able to trigger the error again, a=
s many times as I have tried.</div><div><br></div><div>Summarizing,
 the regression is that in the previous version, it was possible to=20
commit a file buffer from the diff buffer, and now it is not; it has to=20
be done from the file buffer.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for your inte=
rest,</div><div><br></div><div>Ferran</div></div><br></div><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr=
">Missatge de Dmitry Gutov &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dmitry@HIDDEN">dmitry@g=
utov.dev</a>&gt; del dia dv., 21 de nov. 2025 a les 3:46:<br></div><blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px=
 solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 20/11/2025 09:26, Ferran Jorba=
 wrote:<br>
&gt; Sure. Thanks for the hint. This is what I&#39;ve seen:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Debugger entered--Lisp error: (wrong-type-argument stringp nil)<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 vc-fossil-diff((&quot;/home/ddd/lib/ruby/uab_muscat_utils=
.rb&quot;) <br>
&gt; &quot;c9aed878023edfbff93125b727fff9155736c92b&quot; &quot;988d765fa5&=
quot; &quot;*vc-diff*&quot; t)<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 vc-call-backend(Fossil diff (&quot;/home/ddd/lib/ruby/ <b=
r>
&gt; uab_muscat_utils.rb&quot;) &quot;c9aed878023edfbff93125b727fff9155736c=
92b&quot; <br>
&gt; &quot;988d765fa5&quot; &quot;*vc-diff*&quot; t)<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 vc-diff-internal(t (Fossil (&quot;/home/ddd/lib/ruby/ <br=
>
&gt; uab_muscat_utils.rb&quot;)) &quot;c9aed878023edfbff93125b727fff9155736=
c92b&quot; <br>
&gt; &quot;988d765fa5&quot;)<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 log-view-diff-common(149 149)<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 log-view-diff(149 149)<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 funcall-interactively(log-view-diff 149 149)<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 command-execute(log-view-diff)<br>
<br>
Thanks! If you could do a little more:<br>
<br>
* Navigate to the definition of vc-fossil-diff (using &#39;C-u M-.&#39;, or=
 &#39;M-x <br>
find-function&#39;).<br>
* Instrument it for interactive debugging using &#39;C-u C-M-x&#39; (you ca=
n <br>
undo that later using plain &#39;C-M-x&#39;).<br>
* Invoke the same scenario as above, pressing &#39;d&#39; in a log-view buf=
fer.<br>
<br>
You should see the interactive debugged started inside that function. <br>
Step through using SPC until the wrong-type-argument error is signaled. <br=
>
I&#39;m curious which place in the code does that.<br>
<br>
Looking at its definition in <br>
<a href=3D"https://tumbleweed.nu/r/vc-fossil/file?name=3Dvc-fossil.el&amp;c=
i=3Dtip" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://tumbleweed.nu/r/vc-fo=
ssil/file?name=3Dvc-fossil.el&amp;ci=3Dtip</a>, nothing <br>
jumps out. As long as<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0(vc-fossil-root (car files))<br>
<br>
returns the root and not nil (which it probably does), the rest should <br>
just work.<br>
</blockquote></div>

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Hi Ferran,

On 24/11/2025 07:43, Ferran Jorba wrote:

> I'm sorry, but I haven't been able to trigger the error again, as many 
> times as I have tried.

Please clarify: does this mean that the error you mention in the 
paragraph below is gone?

Otherwise, help debugging it is exactly what I was asking for.

> Summarizing, the regression is that in the previous version, it was 
> possible to commit a file buffer from the diff buffer, and now it is 
> not; it has to be done from the file buffer.

Thanks.

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