Received: (at 66350-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Jul 2024 17:53:21 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jul 23 13:53:21 2024 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60686 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1sWJhQ-0005Yw-W7 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2024 13:53:21 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:37028) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1sWJhP-0005Yj-9K for 66350-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2024 13:53:19 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1sWJhF-0006oO-4g; Tue, 23 Jul 2024 13:53:09 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=X4vHXsbkuw//1U3DPNyuc7kiUwCAiqmqk0SX0EAgprs=; b=NyZX0rHP8KIl mLrlpqd+chWDh8YmsueDWkGJeACsZCgp7eh5PDc8NfIyvy+SlxTkKo+28/QZEjm590R5fgiw04M0w GzvLfA+3iGlUWSgxOL6oLv46zT+4Q4rn9zh9bFWWvc0556sqQGKsJpkHx6Wvvfv9eJoKiS2MJismh 4+vBX16xqyBzvzmSCsH0UKZLpr9J5LrxsIUeYyF2UQBEjdjM+H46U68ZH+3peAA0QCIUn8hKOw46T 6XOsDg5uTaAtf+TfQdY45iLPs5hIxRfd4WtIaeZNQIGxJnpWUY0HMp8g+fkg1qIhA/YNjTelSjDGA 2punb5GTDTSnfJdnSvW0lQ==; Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2024 20:53:06 +0300 Message-Id: <86le1s8071.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Arash Esbati <arash@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <m234o0ui0q.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Arash Esbati on Tue, 23 Jul 2024 19:37:09 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#66350: 30.0.50; Description for (use-package emacs ...) References: <m2y1gicc09.fsf@HIDDEN> <83ttr54o6t.fsf@HIDDEN> <m2fs2ov2qv.fsf@HIDDEN> <m2zfq8ts4o.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmkFcvZHC0JuPd+0ffFhnFdtvsehVGbQ5yE_eoWQUSO=Mw@HIDDEN> <m234o0ui0q.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 66350-done Cc: 66350-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org, johnw@HIDDEN, stefankangas@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Arash Esbati <arash@HIDDEN> > Cc: John Wiegley <johnw@HIDDEN>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, > 66350-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2024 19:37:09 +0200 > > Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN> writes: > > > I've installed the attached patch on emacs-30 (commit c7609464f70), > > adding a new node describing this all. Thanks for proposing a text, it > > was a useful starting point. > > > > Please let me know if you spot any mistakes or anything that could be > > improved in what I wrote. Meanwhile, I'm closing this bug report. > > Many thanks for picking this up; your patch LGTM. One other change in > my proposal was this around line 184: > > -needed (a.k.a. ``autoloading''). If you have installed a package from > +needed (a.k.a.@: ``autoloading''). If you have installed a package from > > We can also ignore this if use-package manual isn't distributed as .pdf, > I think. Users should be able to generate a good-looking PDF from every manual we ship. So I think that part of the change should also be installed.
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Full text available.Received: (at 66350-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Jul 2024 17:37:27 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jul 23 13:37:26 2024 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60659 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1sWJS2-0005A6-HS for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2024 13:37:26 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:59150) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <arash@HIDDEN>) id 1sWJS0-00059t-HE for 66350-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2024 13:37:25 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <arash@HIDDEN>) id 1sWJRq-000479-8k; Tue, 23 Jul 2024 13:37:14 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-Version:Date:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:To: From; bh=O6aG3pJxKtR+gSlHIPt34z0sIb5RVV4g7rHcvmyyZpA=; b=PBpBjBVd1eGRMrg0Uvow bjc+kY6ORHu2lsOwaeXqoMqlpTr3d3G6YB/kMDa8UGUK0ETYj2x00NCCCvdPzcf30THla6NdUbVCC iL06PGjJ1vn/gGiCoUpb235UwPBaqlF7ocOXYPx86wli7smgEGuBCcUeRJ5bxQ4rRlnMqh161fh4F DoS3myXR2UflcMFfehaffk5jMV6oQF0Gffpue9BO7B30SX/6PsILDJ9VnqC7zNPS/yvsAqKKxmGkw jb3ejuI8ZyAhobO/EWFe4u6UnY3NkMK6BqKzaRktci/7VDGmYJHIdQAix9Z6quKzIHr4Z6jDt3Xq+ g859MIj2NhgJIA==; From: Arash Esbati <arash@HIDDEN> To: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#66350: 30.0.50; Description for (use-package emacs ...) In-Reply-To: <CADwFkmkFcvZHC0JuPd+0ffFhnFdtvsehVGbQ5yE_eoWQUSO=Mw@HIDDEN> (Stefan Kangas's message of "Tue, 23 Jul 2024 06:19:44 -0700") References: <m2y1gicc09.fsf@HIDDEN> <83ttr54o6t.fsf@HIDDEN> <m2fs2ov2qv.fsf@HIDDEN> <m2zfq8ts4o.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmkFcvZHC0JuPd+0ffFhnFdtvsehVGbQ5yE_eoWQUSO=Mw@HIDDEN> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2024 19:37:09 +0200 Message-ID: <m234o0ui0q.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 66350-done Cc: 66350-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, John Wiegley <johnw@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN> writes: > I've installed the attached patch on emacs-30 (commit c7609464f70), > adding a new node describing this all. Thanks for proposing a text, it > was a useful starting point. > > Please let me know if you spot any mistakes or anything that could be > improved in what I wrote. Meanwhile, I'm closing this bug report. Many thanks for picking this up; your patch LGTM. One other change in my proposal was this around line 184: -needed (a.k.a. ``autoloading''). If you have installed a package from +needed (a.k.a.@: ``autoloading''). If you have installed a package from We can also ignore this if use-package manual isn't distributed as .pdf, I think. Best, Arash
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To: Arash Esbati <arash@HIDDEN>, John Wiegley <johnw@HIDDEN> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="000000000000ffe835061dea03d9" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 66350-done Cc: 66350-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --000000000000ffe835061dea03d9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Version: 30.1 Arash Esbati <arash@HIDDEN> writes: > Thanks. In order to close this report, I suggest to add the following > to the manual: > > --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- > diff --git a/doc/misc/use-package.texi b/doc/misc/use-package.texi > index c2b6404b68b..e0a156eb373 100644 > --- a/doc/misc/use-package.texi > +++ b/doc/misc/use-package.texi > @@ -181,7 +181,7 @@ Getting Started > immediately. In most cases, this is not necessary or desirable, as > that will slow down Emacs startup. Instead, you should try to set > things up so that packages are only loaded when they are actually > -needed (a.k.a. ``autoloading''). If you have installed a package from > +needed (a.k.a.@: ``autoloading''). If you have installed a package from > @acronym{GNU} @acronym{ELPA} that provides it's own autoloads, it is often > enough to say: > > @@ -225,6 +225,21 @@ Getting Started > that you can use. Where possible, it is a good idea to copy them, and > use that as a starting point. > > +You can also configure variables defined in Emacs C sources or preloaded > +with Emacs with the no-op @samp{emacs} package: > + > +@lisp > +@group > +(use-package emacs > + :init > + (setq custom-file "~/.emacs.d/emacs-custom.el") > + (load custom-file) > + (setq frame-title-format "%b") > + :custom > + (use-short-answers t)) > +@end group > +@end lisp > + > That should be enough to get you started! > > @c ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- > > If the question is too trivial, we can close it as wontfix. I've installed the attached patch on emacs-30 (commit c7609464f70), adding a new node describing this all. Thanks for proposing a text, it was a useful starting point. Please let me know if you spot any mistakes or anything that could be improved in what I wrote. 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Arash Esbati <arash@HIDDEN>
:Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN>
:Received: (at 66350) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Jul 2024 08:46:37 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jul 23 04:46:37 2024 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59209 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1sWBAL-0005OT-Bu for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2024 04:46:37 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:58566) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <arash@HIDDEN>) id 1sWBAG-0005O9-2x for 66350 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jul 2024 04:46:35 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <arash@HIDDEN>) id 1sWB80-0004Wn-PV; Tue, 23 Jul 2024 04:44:13 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-Version:Date:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:To: From; bh=pmaMErc7k8UnKvdgUhU/4VPGSRymudMgj+U7UNYNj2c=; b=fxOk1BvO6TScQt5SpUrS YgraPHLj04tvWsilf8bNrm57qP0Y/cbAobCYZEio4YjfQxb55HChm9ALn57H/32lYwAb6iJFLtBFJ 4P0LsEqCoWonKLvyWDaM61/ZDngiy4hnGwyJn2jSQf5RBJT3EuxPL49sTCJ0SGAvb+9rytKlAuQ5h Tg4GNWmzhrh0QzxZ37gJbM5+fWE79cNw0BBqafcMKQjWwAaMmeekb0sYj4cXEmys21wVpfbqm11wM NoYPzf9WOt6XXtBMxNXHD/AIGsF5qIumxlmSYyjN6nRY7XFuaoKBAVD9VzSrNRZtkSxaz8rtnlR+x jfohTJAxnWAcPQ==; From: Arash Esbati <arash@HIDDEN> To: John Wiegley <johnw@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#66350: 30.0.50; Description for (use-package emacs ...) In-Reply-To: <m2fs2ov2qv.fsf@HIDDEN> (John Wiegley's message of "Thu, 05 Oct 2023 20:39:04 -0700") References: <m2y1gicc09.fsf@HIDDEN> <83ttr54o6t.fsf@HIDDEN> <m2fs2ov2qv.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2024 10:44:07 +0200 Message-ID: <m2zfq8ts4o.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 66350 Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, 66350 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) John Wiegley <johnw@HIDDEN> writes: >>>>>> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > >>> (use-package emacs > >> Adding John, in case he has any thoughts about this. > > The =E2=80=98(use-package emacs =E2=80=A6)=E2=80=98 declaration has no sp= ecial meaning. It just takes > advantage of the fact that =E2=80=98(featurep 'emacs)=E2=80=98 is always = true, so in a way > it=E2=80=99s just for consistency=E2=80=99s sake, and doesn=E2=80=99t act= ually do anything special. Thanks. In order to close this report, I suggest to add the following to the manual: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- diff --git a/doc/misc/use-package.texi b/doc/misc/use-package.texi index c2b6404b68b..e0a156eb373 100644 --- a/doc/misc/use-package.texi +++ b/doc/misc/use-package.texi @@ -181,7 +181,7 @@ Getting Started immediately. In most cases, this is not necessary or desirable, as that will slow down Emacs startup. Instead, you should try to set things up so that packages are only loaded when they are actually -needed (a.k.a. ``autoloading''). If you have installed a package from +needed (a.k.a.@: ``autoloading''). If you have installed a package from @acronym{GNU} @acronym{ELPA} that provides it's own autoloads, it is often enough to say: @@ -225,6 +225,21 @@ Getting Started that you can use. Where possible, it is a good idea to copy them, and use that as a starting point. +You can also configure variables defined in Emacs C sources or preloaded +with Emacs with the no-op @samp{emacs} package: + +@lisp +@group +(use-package emacs + :init + (setq custom-file "~/.emacs.d/emacs-custom.el") + (load custom-file) + (setq frame-title-format "%b") + :custom + (use-short-answers t)) +@end group +@end lisp + That should be enough to get you started! @c -----------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- If the question is too trivial, we can close it as wontfix. Best, Arash
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN
:bug#66350
; Package emacs
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Full text available.Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Oct 2023 17:20:28 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 06 13:20:28 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52552 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1qooV2-0000Ah-BF for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 06 Oct 2023 13:20:28 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:470:142::17]:40444) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <geb-bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>) id 1qooV0-0000AU-HX for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 06 Oct 2023 13:20:26 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <geb-bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>) id 1qooUc-0006qY-0p for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Fri, 06 Oct 2023 13:20:02 -0400 Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <geb-bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>) id 1qooUa-0003HH-4d for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Fri, 06 Oct 2023 13:20:01 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from <geb-bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>) id 1qooUQ-0002mQ-CJ for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Fri, 06 Oct 2023 19:19:50 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN To: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN From: Arash Esbati <arash@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#66350: 30.0.50; Description for (use-package emacs ...) Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2023 19:19:08 +0200 Message-ID: <m2zg0vlldf.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <m2y1gicc09.fsf@HIDDEN> <83ttr54o6t.fsf@HIDDEN> <m2fs2ov2qv.fsf@HIDDEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cancel-Lock: sha1:t0WWeEGEeaNVoRtA+jFWxkGxhIA= Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geb-bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -15 X-Spam_score: -1.6 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) John Wiegley <johnw@HIDDEN> writes: > The ‘(use-package emacs …)‘ declaration has no special meaning. It just takes > advantage of the fact that ‘(featurep 'emacs)‘ is always true, so in a way > it’s just for consistency’s sake, and doesn’t actually do anything special. Thanks for your response. I wonder which use-package keywords don't make sense in that form? The way I see it things like :defer, :init et al. are useless since we're talking about Emacs with all preloaded libraries, right? Best, Arash
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN
:bug#66350
; Package emacs
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Full text available.Received: (at 66350) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Oct 2023 05:46:13 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 05 01:46:13 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45793 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1qoHBd-0002Nv-Fu for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 05 Oct 2023 01:46:13 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36646) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1qoHBb-0002Ni-5Y for 66350 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 05 Oct 2023 01:46:12 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1qoHBD-0008Fp-5w; Thu, 05 Oct 2023 01:45:47 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=dF1bKEClGyisDlIr+mmSu9ef3SUmAHSwzqvlMPTo5o4=; b=lhATaGgIIMHX BRlGfOGb0uGseEyF1PyaKwnbs8w2IyMgefDDlPkQvkDBVZwi8Mn4N3CxzU0luLX/SV4qCBtrAl19a 1lqMRuP7+eHMgAlUiwEM2ZXU2A7K2oG11Hus16xL6GdLm6agoH6sLTb6fqQwMnyfMF1ayuFBxs/OM bp5qftDz0MSC2jfRv7tUS7pxqVHc0uYEMALFiL3uv0r1oR1wvvTou3Ud9IRGPej9ijb43pbTxEXdm U5JT7hRUqncC6d0S1+dR+7mLqiTR4fIOHCWUh34hvWg00yEhqh6rsvXgj0au4iin4P3VLNQTsHoMO FIFfpfu08z6NkWZieKs8iA==; Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2023 08:45:46 +0300 Message-Id: <83ttr54o6t.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Arash Esbati <arash@HIDDEN>, John Wiegley <johnw@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <m2y1gicc09.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Arash Esbati on Wed, 04 Oct 2023 23:29:26 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#66350: 30.0.50; Description for (use-package emacs ...) References: <m2y1gicc09.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 66350 Cc: 66350 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Arash Esbati <arash@HIDDEN> > Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2023 23:29:26 +0200 > > Hi all, > > use-package.texi contains this example[1]: > > @lisp > @group > ;; Completely hide visual-line-mode and change auto-fill-mode to " AF". > (use-package emacs > :delight > (auto-fill-function " AF") > (visual-line-mode)) > @end group > @end lisp > > The usage of (use-package emacs ...) isn't described anywhere in the > file, though. There was a discussion about it here[2], but I think it > should be documented in the manual somehow. I'm not familiar enough > with use-package to make a suggestion, sorry. > > Best, Arash > > Footnotes: > [1] https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/tree/doc/misc/use-package.texi#n1539 > > [2] https://www.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/mk9ehd/curious_whats_the_use_of_usepackage_emacs/ Adding John, in case he has any thoughts about this.
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Full text available.Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Oct 2023 21:31:05 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 04 17:31:05 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45480 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1qo9ST-0004jm-0X for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 Oct 2023 17:31:05 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:470:142::17]:42974) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <geb-bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>) id 1qo9SR-0004jK-CF for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 Oct 2023 17:31:03 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <geb-bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>) id 1qo9Ry-0002ci-VD for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Wed, 04 Oct 2023 17:30:37 -0400 Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <geb-bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>) id 1qo9Rx-0003AD-EP for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Wed, 04 Oct 2023 17:30:34 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from <geb-bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>) id 1qo9Rr-0002Ou-FO for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Wed, 04 Oct 2023 23:30:27 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN To: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN From: Arash Esbati <arash@HIDDEN> Subject: 30.0.50; Description for (use-package emacs ...) Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2023 23:29:26 +0200 Message-ID: <m2y1gicc09.fsf@HIDDEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cancel-Lock: sha1:/gG2Enlh14QTP9W3bfaKrvOFwDw= Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geb-bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Hi all, use-package.texi contains this example[1]: @lisp @group ;; Completely hide visual-line-mode and change auto-fill-mode to " AF". (use-package emacs :delight (auto-fill-function " AF") (visual-line-mode)) @end group @end lisp The usage of (use-package emacs ...) isn't described anywhere in the file, though. There was a discussion about it here[2], but I think it should be documented in the manual somehow. I'm not familiar enough with use-package to make a suggestion, sorry. Best, Arash Footnotes: [1] https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/tree/doc/misc/use-package.texi#n1539 [2] https://www.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/mk9ehd/curious_whats_the_use_of_usepackage_emacs/
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