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29.1; Describe with-current-buffer in more details

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From: Xiyue Deng <manphiz <at> gmail.com>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 29.1; Describe with-current-buffer in more details
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2023 23:01:58 -0800

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In section 5.1, "The Definition of `copy-to-buffer'" of "Introduction to
Emacs Lisp", when describing the implementation, the description of
function `with-current-buffer' is a little too succinct with a sentence
"Then, the `with-current-buffer 'function evaluates its body with that
buffer temporarily current." and another one in the parentheses
"`with-current-buffer' is a newer, and arguably easier, mechanism."

AIUI the intro book is intended for people without programming
experience.  While arguably these two sentences do describe the
`with-current-buffer' function, it would be better to expand a little
more on what it does after "with that buffer temporarily current", such
as it will switch back to the current buffer upon finishing the inner
operations, etc.

Below is a proposed patch to expand the description a little.  Thanks in
advance for considering!

[0001-Add-more-text-to-clarify-the-behavior-of-with-curren.patch (text/x-diff, attachment)]

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Message #10 received at 67521-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Xiyue Deng <manphiz <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 67521-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#67521: 29.1; Describe with-current-buffer in more details
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2023 15:05:56 +0200

> From: Xiyue Deng <manphiz <at> gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2023 23:01:58 -0800
> 
> In section 5.1, "The Definition of `copy-to-buffer'" of "Introduction to
> Emacs Lisp", when describing the implementation, the description of
> function `with-current-buffer' is a little too succinct with a sentence
> "Then, the `with-current-buffer 'function evaluates its body with that
> buffer temporarily current." and another one in the parentheses
> "`with-current-buffer' is a newer, and arguably easier, mechanism."
> 
> AIUI the intro book is intended for people without programming
> experience.  While arguably these two sentences do describe the
> `with-current-buffer' function, it would be better to expand a little
> more on what it does after "with that buffer temporarily current", such
> as it will switch back to the current buffer upon finishing the inner
> operations, etc.
> 
> Below is a proposed patch to expand the description a little.  Thanks in
> advance for considering!

Thanks, installed on the emacs-29 branch, and closing the issue.

Message #13 received at 67521-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Xiyue Deng <manphiz <at> gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 67521-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#67521: 29.1; Describe with-current-buffer in more details
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2023 08:45:34 -0800

Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:

>> From: Xiyue Deng <manphiz <at> gmail.com>
>> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2023 23:01:58 -0800
>> 
>> In section 5.1, "The Definition of `copy-to-buffer'" of "Introduction to
>> Emacs Lisp", when describing the implementation, the description of
>> function `with-current-buffer' is a little too succinct with a sentence
>> "Then, the `with-current-buffer 'function evaluates its body with that
>> buffer temporarily current." and another one in the parentheses
>> "`with-current-buffer' is a newer, and arguably easier, mechanism."
>> 
>> AIUI the intro book is intended for people without programming
>> experience.  While arguably these two sentences do describe the
>> `with-current-buffer' function, it would be better to expand a little
>> more on what it does after "with that buffer temporarily current", such
>> as it will switch back to the current buffer upon finishing the inner
>> operations, etc.
>> 
>> Below is a proposed patch to expand the description a little.  Thanks in
>> advance for considering!
>
> Thanks, installed on the emacs-29 branch, and closing the issue.

Thanks Eli!  Just wondering will this be installed on master also (with
your fix of course)?

-- 
Xiyue Deng

Message #16 received at 67521-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Xiyue Deng <manphiz <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 67521-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#67521: 29.1; Describe with-current-buffer in more details
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2023 07:51:46 +0200

> From: Xiyue Deng <manphiz <at> gmail.com>
> Cc: 67521-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2023 08:45:34 -0800
> 
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:
> 
> >> From: Xiyue Deng <manphiz <at> gmail.com>
> >> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2023 23:01:58 -0800
> >> 
> >> In section 5.1, "The Definition of `copy-to-buffer'" of "Introduction to
> >> Emacs Lisp", when describing the implementation, the description of
> >> function `with-current-buffer' is a little too succinct with a sentence
> >> "Then, the `with-current-buffer 'function evaluates its body with that
> >> buffer temporarily current." and another one in the parentheses
> >> "`with-current-buffer' is a newer, and arguably easier, mechanism."
> >> 
> >> AIUI the intro book is intended for people without programming
> >> experience.  While arguably these two sentences do describe the
> >> `with-current-buffer' function, it would be better to expand a little
> >> more on what it does after "with that buffer temporarily current", such
> >> as it will switch back to the current buffer upon finishing the inner
> >> operations, etc.
> >> 
> >> Below is a proposed patch to expand the description a little.  Thanks in
> >> advance for considering!
> >
> > Thanks, installed on the emacs-29 branch, and closing the issue.
> 
> Thanks Eli!  Just wondering will this be installed on master also (with
> your fix of course)?

The release branch is periodically merged onto master, so yes, it
will, in a few days.

Message #19 received at 67521-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Xiyue Deng <manphiz <at> gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 67521-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#67521: 29.1; Describe with-current-buffer in more details
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2023 22:18:24 -0800

Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:

>> From: Xiyue Deng <manphiz <at> gmail.com>
>> Cc: 67521-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
>> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2023 08:45:34 -0800
>> 
>> Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:
>> 
>> >> From: Xiyue Deng <manphiz <at> gmail.com>
>> >> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2023 23:01:58 -0800
>> >> 
>> >> In section 5.1, "The Definition of `copy-to-buffer'" of "Introduction to
>> >> Emacs Lisp", when describing the implementation, the description of
>> >> function `with-current-buffer' is a little too succinct with a sentence
>> >> "Then, the `with-current-buffer 'function evaluates its body with that
>> >> buffer temporarily current." and another one in the parentheses
>> >> "`with-current-buffer' is a newer, and arguably easier, mechanism."
>> >> 
>> >> AIUI the intro book is intended for people without programming
>> >> experience.  While arguably these two sentences do describe the
>> >> `with-current-buffer' function, it would be better to expand a little
>> >> more on what it does after "with that buffer temporarily current", such
>> >> as it will switch back to the current buffer upon finishing the inner
>> >> operations, etc.
>> >> 
>> >> Below is a proposed patch to expand the description a little.  Thanks in
>> >> advance for considering!
>> >
>> > Thanks, installed on the emacs-29 branch, and closing the issue.
>> 
>> Thanks Eli!  Just wondering will this be installed on master also (with
>> your fix of course)?
>
> The release branch is periodically merged onto master, so yes, it
> will, in a few days.

Ah didn't know that.  Thanks for clarifying!

-- 
Xiyue Deng

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