GNU bug report logs - #67662
Emacs 29.1: Newsticker plainview S-SPC scrolls up instead of down

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From: rameiko87 <at> posteo.net
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: Emacs 29.1: Newsticker plainview S-SPC scrolls up instead of down
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2023 15:36:07 +0000

Newsticker plainview on Emacs 29.1. C-h m says that S-SPC should do the 
opposite of SPC, but they achieve the same command instead.

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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: rameiko87 <at> posteo.net
Cc: 67662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#67662: Emacs 29.1: Newsticker plainview S-SPC scrolls up
 instead of down
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2023 19:04:54 +0200

> Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2023 15:36:07 +0000
> From: rameiko87 <at> posteo.net
> 
> Newsticker plainview on Emacs 29.1. C-h m says that S-SPC should do the 
> opposite of SPC, but they achieve the same command instead.

Is this on a GUI frame or a TTY frame?

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From: rameiko87 <at> posteo.net
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 67662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#67662: Emacs 29.1: Newsticker plainview S-SPC scrolls up
 instead of down
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2023 17:17:03 +0000

>> Newsticker plainview on Emacs 29.1. C-h m says that S-SPC should do 
>> the
>> opposite of SPC, but they achieve the same command instead.
> 
> Is this on a GUI frame or a TTY frame?

terminal: emacs --no-x-resources

Message #14 received at 67662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: rameiko87 <at> posteo.net
Cc: 67662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#67662: Emacs 29.1: Newsticker plainview S-SPC scrolls up
 instead of down
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2023 19:47:44 +0200

> Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2023 17:17:03 +0000
> From: rameiko87 <at> posteo.net
> Cc: 67662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> >> Newsticker plainview on Emacs 29.1. C-h m says that S-SPC should do 
> >> the
> >> opposite of SPC, but they achieve the same command instead.
> > 
> > Is this on a GUI frame or a TTY frame?
> 
> terminal: emacs --no-x-resources

What does Emacs show when you type "C-h l" after pressing S-SPC? if it
shows SPC and not S-SPC, it means your terminal emulator cannot
distinguish between SPC and S-SPC (many terminal emulators don't), so
Emacs cannot distinguish between them, either.

Message #17 received at 67662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: rameiko87 <at> posteo.net
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 67662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#67662: Emacs 29.1: Newsticker plainview S-SPC scrolls up
 instead of down
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2023 20:22:30 +0000

>> >> Newsticker plainview on Emacs 29.1. C-h m says that S-SPC should do
>> >> the
>> >> opposite of SPC, but they achieve the same command instead.
>> >
>> > Is this on a GUI frame or a TTY frame?
>> 
>> terminal: emacs --no-x-resources
> 
> What does Emacs show when you type "C-h l" after pressing S-SPC? if it
> shows SPC and not S-SPC, it means your terminal emulator cannot
> distinguish between SPC and S-SPC (many terminal emulators don't), so
> Emacs cannot distinguish between them, either.

Smart. I was confused because in treeview I thought that S-SPC scrolls 
the other direction than SPC. In fact it doesn't, it's just than on my 
long articles (which occupy twice the length of a window) doing SPC (or 
S-SPC which is the same for me) at the end of the news, wraps back to 
the top. Instead, in plain view it doesn't wrap to the top but says end 
of buffer. Maybe we should make SPC behave the same in treeview and 
plainview?

Message #20 received at 67662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: rameiko87 <at> posteo.net
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 67662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#67662: Emacs 29.1: Newsticker plainview S-SPC scrolls up
 instead of down
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2023 20:26:05 +0000

> Maybe we should make SPC behave the same in treeview and plainview?
Forget about this: in fact in treeview the behaviour in the list of 
articles for a certain group when pressing SPC is also "end of buffer". 
It's only on the article window itself that it scrolls back up. So 
nothing to do, time to close this.

Message #23 received at 67662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Jeremy Bryant <jb <at> jeremybryant.net>
To: rameiko87 <at> posteo.net
Cc: 67662-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>,
 67662 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#67662: Emacs 29.1: Newsticker plainview S-SPC scrolls up
 instead of down
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2023 20:33:02 +0000

Closing as per request below

rameiko87 <at> posteo.net writes:

>> Maybe we should make SPC behave the same in treeview and plainview?
> Forget about this: in fact in treeview the behaviour in the list of
> articles for a certain group when pressing SPC is also "end of
> buffer". It's only on the article window itself that it scrolls back
> up. So nothing to do, time to close this.

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