Received: (at 68255) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Jan 2024 06:54:47 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jan 06 01:54:47 2024 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58444 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1rM0Zz-0005tm-Gj for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jan 2024 01:54:47 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36708) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1rM0Zw-0005ta-SJ for 68255 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jan 2024 01:54:46 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1rM0Zm-0005p4-KI; Sat, 06 Jan 2024 01:54:34 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=AYJsGNd1NPslQCWSD7Dw73hifdUgj5uMKc3t3hcAYiI=; b=jOvvVdDDNIUo SDMNKno2py751tmd4IDBfAHzZjgoHRyYUd1zf/NBZF7IFS4cX4DMzSFuKwkTef2zWuXiS0KSm5CNO 7LMLLLCLsVH0u0ZIX83cmZsViotlN0yytIDz09td1zzzFsASgGdO5ski6m6TvZpXjH7V93CCsiKO7 MaEwAg/vPFcfE95vzwx6CvBIEZdkp1WUZlWQBehvRKvcyf9bSdyNJhk44+pVLvV5pRxsj2ghdeqE3 BqlsEOsAULGY8vGydKxdtHRo3oiDQW9GX6qlKFNFrMACSuHuPsZabYOxHczAqpymP4R4JUOZZ/fPS bnqH/TRAeRN5TRwlT5XAyQ==; Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2024 08:54:24 +0200 Message-Id: <83zfxjt0in.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Jeremy Phelps <jeremyphelps077@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <E2A1F4CF-2AC7-4772-8398-4A64EB5B40BB@HIDDEN> (message from Jeremy Phelps on Fri, 5 Jan 2024 15:13:43 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#68255: 28.2; Can't connect to emacs daemon after logging out and back in. References: <CA+-17hVu9_kOZi=gRm+WuuTQwZ1tTSA5GoEoPhZ4FB8mCM9Qtw@HIDDEN> <83zfxkuhlp.fsf@HIDDEN> <E2A1F4CF-2AC7-4772-8398-4A64EB5B40BB@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 68255 Cc: 68255 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [Please use Reply All to reply, to keep the bug tracker CC'ed.] > From: Jeremy Phelps <jeremyphelps077@HIDDEN> > Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2024 15:13:43 -0500 > > > If the above analysis is correct, then you can customize 'server-name' > > to be an absolute file name of the directory where you want the socket > > to be created, and invoke emacsclient with the --socket-name=NAME > > option (or set EMACS_SOCKET_NAME=NAME in the environment), where NAME > > is the same directory as in the value of 'server-name' option. Did > > you try that? > > I did not try that, and I wouldn't be able to test it without reinstalling Emacs > to get rid of my workaround. Well, I'd encourage you to try this, because if it works, then there is a solution to this situation, and if it doesn't work, we need to fix whatever prevents it from working. > But given that XDG_RUNTIME_DIR is ephemeral, and > the Emacs daemon assumes it is not, it makes little sense to use it. It would > make more sense to create a directory under ~/.emacs.d if security is the > reason for using the XDG directory instead of /tmp. I hear you, but other people disagree. Some don't need to leave the Emacs daemon running when they log off, and some say (AFAIU) that the XDG directories don't get deleted when they log off. So we support both methods, and the XDG support takes precedence because most users prefer it, AFAIU.
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If you're using elogind, this can be done by editing /etc/elogind/logind.conf and setting KillUserProcesses=no. Same process for systemd-logind, except the file is located at /etc/systemd/logind.conf. 2. Log into a new session and run "emacs --daemon". 3. Log out of all sessions for that user. This causes the directory named in $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR to be deleted, and with it, the Emacs daemon's socket. 4. Log back in. 5. Observe that the emacs daemon's process is still there, and that its socket is gone. Working around this problem is difficult because the XDG_RUNTIME_DIR variable whose use causes this problem is referenced in two places: 1. The "server-socket-dir" variable in Elisp. This is fairly easy to change because Emacs can take you right to the definition. 2. The emacsclient binary. Changing the behavior here requires editing emacsclient.c, recompiling, and installing the resulting binary. Except it's too hard to get Emacs to build on modern Linux distros, so I hex-edited the emacsclient binary instead, NUL-ing out all strings containing "XDG_RUNTIME_DIR". 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Jeremy Phelps <jeremyphelps077@HIDDEN>:bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN.
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