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[5.44.169.188]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id n21-20020a2e7215000000b002cd65f9ce8asm147215ljc.118.2024.02.01.20.58.45 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 01 Feb 2024 20:58:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <87bc23dd-7c0b-4f9a-a54d-29716e948c5c@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2024 11:58:44 +0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: bug#68687: Org mode code evaluation To: rms@HIDDEN, Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@HIDDEN> References: <6d94fff4-4d30-4121-bfd1-f267cb5b637c@HIDDEN> <8734uqpvgn.fsf@HIDDEN> <49fa47c0-522a-46d7-ba0d-6e688aa26a8e@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmn_qivb3GbHjXbdngcZe3g3LHiR9MZ9ffYjctFsWdw_yg@HIDDEN> <E1rTZWZ-0008Ca-EM@HIDDEN> <74b83cf9-cd7e-429a-bd9d-0af964e1ddc5@HIDDEN> <8634uh5rrq.fsf@HIDDEN> <E1rUfF4-00069N-Gu@HIDDEN> <87mssn81dw.fsf@localhost> <28314.1706634769@alto> <87mssmvhdw.fsf@localhost> <E1rVkNc-0007za-6b@HIDDEN> Content-Language: en-US, ru-RU From: Max Nikulin <manikulin@HIDDEN> Mail-Followup-To: rms@HIDDEN, Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@HIDDEN>, kupfer@HIDDEN, 68687 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, emacs-orgmode@HIDDEN, stefankangas@HIDDEN, eliz@HIDDEN In-Reply-To: <E1rVkNc-0007za-6b@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 68687 Cc: 68687 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, eliz@HIDDEN, emacs-orgmode@HIDDEN, kupfer@HIDDEN, stefankangas@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On 02/02/2024 10:38, Richard Stallman wrote: > > > I did not imply that Org mode is safe. I directly said that there are > > security issues and that they are known. > > Could you plesae post a pointer to a desciption of them? I would strongly prefer to move discussion of Org security to a dedicated thread on emacs-orgmode or emacs-devel and leave this bug to media types used for Org. Whenever the suggested patch committed (as a whole or in parts) or not, admit that Org mode is already used as media type handler for mail messages and downloaded files. I have tried a couple more ideas, but have not managed to achieve code execution when files are loaded (assuming default or plausible user settings). If Org keystrokes are not active when mail messages are opened then it should be safe enough. (However I suspect an issue unrelated to code execution.) If Emacs or Org mode has severe issues then it is possible to exploit them even without the patch. Just send a message having 3 attachments covering all variants of Content-Type. The point is to minimize discrepancy related to Org mode stuff within Emacs and outside of it. E.g. in default configuration Thunderbird on Debian 12 bookworm sends attachments as text/org. Emacs core uses text/x-org or application/vnd.lotus-organizer. With no action taken it will last further.
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On 01/02/2024 03:00, Stefan Kangas wrote:
> Max Nikulin writes:
>> +++ b/lisp/net/mailcap.el
>> @@ -989,7 +989,8 @@ (defvar mailcap-mime-extensions
>> (".jpe" . "image/jpeg")
>> (".jpeg" . "image/jpeg")
>> (".webp" . "image/webp")
>> - (".org" . "text/x-org"))
>> + ;; May be overridden by application/vnd.lotus-organizer in /etc/mime.types.
>> + (".org" . "text/org"))
>
> With this patch, what happens if someone is emailing using an old
> version of Emacs? Does that matter, or is this stuff based only on the
> file ending?
Org files are plain text files and have no specific signature that would
allow tools like libmagic to unambiguously distinguish them from other
text files. Rare files have explicit "# -*- mode: org-mode -*-" header.
So there is no other way besides file name extensions when a message is
composed or a file is served by a HTTP server. Clients should rely on
the Content-Type header.
Old mailers will continue sending messages with
application/vnd.lotus-organizer, text/x-org, or text/org media type.
> IOW, I'm asking if it is backwards-compatible to remove
> "text/org", in either direction.
I suggest to use text/org instead of text/x-org.
> Will .org files be displayed in the
> same way as before or not on both new and old versions?
I do not see a better way toward consistency in respect to the media type.
> I've noticed on my machine that .org files have been interpreted as
> application/vnd.lotus-organizer.
From my point of view, it is a reason to not bother concerning removing
of "text/x-org" from `mailcap-mime-extensions'
> Presumably that's due to some local
> configuration in /etc/mime.types on my distro. Is that correct?
There are 2 projects maintaining /etc/mime.types, they follows IANA
registry, so have application/vnd.lotus-organizer. XDG shared-mime-info
project (another media types DB, not /etc/mime.types) has text/org.
> Is it
> documented somewhere how to override that system configuration in Emacs?
Create ~/.mime.types. Debian's variant suggests it in the
/etc/mime.types header.
> But thinking about this more, why not do that unconditionally for users?
> Lotus Organizer is dead, long gone, and not really relevant to anyone,
> certainly not to the overwhelming majority of Emacs users.
Ideally text/org should be registered in IANA, so all applications could
use consistent mapping. Prerequisites have been discussed already.
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Max Nikulin <manikulin@HIDDEN> writes:
> From 8b71393625f11590e99896808bbd04ed83f7917e Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
> From: Max Nikulin <manikulin@HIDDEN>
> Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2024 21:16:28 +0700
> Subject: [PATCH] Use text/org media type
>
> Avoid "x-" prefix deprecated by rfc6648 for Org mode media type.
> * lisp/net/mailcap.el (mailcap-mime-extensions):
> * lisp/gnus/mm-uu.el (mm-uu-org-src-code-block-extract): Replace
> text/x-org by text/org.
> * lisp/gnus/mm-decode.el (mm-inline-media-tests): Allow text/org in
> addition to text/x-org.
>
> Make media type defined for Org mode consistent with
> <https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xdg/shared-mime-info>
>
> See emacs-orgmode: Org mode MIME type. Sun, 21 Jan 2024 20:56:15 +0700.
> https://list.orgmode.org/6d94fff4-4d30-4121-bfd1-f267cb5b637c@HIDDEN
> ---
> lisp/gnus/mm-decode.el | 1 +
> lisp/gnus/mm-uu.el | 2 +-
> lisp/net/mailcap.el | 3 ++-
> 3 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
>
> diff --git a/lisp/gnus/mm-decode.el b/lisp/gnus/mm-decode.el
> index f91755e967b..cae737e5a3e 100644
> --- a/lisp/gnus/mm-decode.el
> +++ b/lisp/gnus/mm-decode.el
> @@ -246,6 +246,7 @@ (defcustom mm-inline-media-tests
> ("text/x-sh" mm-display-shell-script-inline identity)
> ("application/javascript" mm-display-javascript-inline identity)
> ("text/dns" mm-display-dns-inline identity)
> + ("text/org" mm-display-org-inline identity)
> ("text/x-org" mm-display-org-inline identity)
> ("text/html"
> mm-inline-text-html
> diff --git a/lisp/gnus/mm-uu.el b/lisp/gnus/mm-uu.el
> index 3c7e3cbdf1a..b10da0c143a 100644
> --- a/lisp/gnus/mm-uu.el
> +++ b/lisp/gnus/mm-uu.el
> @@ -394,7 +394,7 @@ (defun mm-uu-emacs-sources-extract ()
>
> (defun mm-uu-org-src-code-block-extract ()
> (mm-make-handle (mm-uu-copy-to-buffer start-point end-point)
> - '("text/x-org" (charset . gnus-decoded))))
> + '("text/org" (charset . gnus-decoded))))
>
> (defvar gnus-newsgroup-name)
>
> diff --git a/lisp/net/mailcap.el b/lisp/net/mailcap.el
> index 5ff75deb4e6..900099433c4 100644
> --- a/lisp/net/mailcap.el
> +++ b/lisp/net/mailcap.el
> @@ -989,7 +989,8 @@ (defvar mailcap-mime-extensions
> (".jpe" . "image/jpeg")
> (".jpeg" . "image/jpeg")
> (".webp" . "image/webp")
> - (".org" . "text/x-org"))
> + ;; May be overridden by application/vnd.lotus-organizer in /etc/mime.types.
> + (".org" . "text/org"))
It's been many moons since I last looked at email attachements in any
detail, so I have some questions.
With this patch, what happens if someone is emailing using an old
version of Emacs? Does that matter, or is this stuff based only on the
file ending? IOW, I'm asking if it is backwards-compatible to remove
"text/org", in either direction. Will .org files be displayed in the
same way as before or not on both new and old versions?
I've noticed on my machine that .org files have been interpreted as
application/vnd.lotus-organizer. Presumably that's due to some local
configuration in /etc/mime.types on my distro. Is that correct? Is it
documented somewhere how to override that system configuration in Emacs?
But thinking about this more, why not do that unconditionally for users?
Lotus Organizer is dead, long gone, and not really relevant to anyone,
certainly not to the overwhelming majority of Emacs users. On the off
chance that someone is opening such files from Emacs, they could just
revert that locally. WDYT?
> "An alist of file extensions and corresponding MIME content-types.
> This exists for you to customize the information in Lisp. It is
> merged with values from mailcap files by `mailcap-parse-mimetypes'.")
> --
> 2.39.2
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On 26/01/2024 14:23, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> Max Nikulin writes:
>
>>> diff --git a/lisp/gnus/mm-uu.el b/lisp/gnus/mm-uu.el
>>> index 3c7e3cbdf1a..b10da0c143a 100644
>>> --- a/lisp/gnus/mm-uu.el
>>> +++ b/lisp/gnus/mm-uu.el
>>> @@ -394,7 +394,7 @@ (defun mm-uu-emacs-sources-extract ()
>>>
>>> (defun mm-uu-org-src-code-block-extract ()
>>> (mm-make-handle (mm-uu-copy-to-buffer start-point end-point)
>>> - '("text/x-org" (charset . gnus-decoded))))
>>> + '("text/org" (charset . gnus-decoded))))
>>>
>>> (defvar gnus-newsgroup-name)
>>>
>>> diff --git a/lisp/net/mailcap.el b/lisp/net/mailcap.el
>>> index 5ff75deb4e6..900099433c4 100644
>>> --- a/lisp/net/mailcap.el
>>> +++ b/lisp/net/mailcap.el
>>> @@ -989,7 +989,8 @@ (defvar mailcap-mime-extensions
>>> (".jpe" . "image/jpeg")
>>> (".jpeg" . "image/jpeg")
>>> (".webp" . "image/webp")
>>> - (".org" . "text/x-org"))
>>> + ;; May be overridden by application/vnd.lotus-organizer in /etc/mime.types.
>>> + (".org" . "text/org"))
>
> I'm not sure the removal of text/x-org in these two hunks is a good
> idea: could it perhaps cause trouble to someone, e.g. if an email
> message is sent from Emacs with this change and read by Emacs without
> it?
Changing of `mm-display-org-inline' may be postponed. I am curious
however if there are a lot of users overriding their /etc/mime.types to
avoid application/vnd.lotus-organizer.
However I am unsure whether `mm-uu-org-src-code-block-extract' is used
to send messages. If it purpose to decode received messages then the
change should be safe. I had a hope to receive some comments from
developers familiar with Emacs mail clients.
I have realized that I missed `mm-automatic-display' there "text/org"
should be added similar to `mm-inline-media-tests'.
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On 30/01/2024 19:13, Ihor Radchenko wrote:
> Even when text/org is rendered using Org mode, there is nothing
> pressuring people to use Org mode there. It is just visuals. Org major
> mode is not activated.
I am not familiar with gnus & Co code, so I am confused by (funcall
mode) in `mm-display-inline-fontify'. Doesn't it activate the major mode
through `mm-display-org-inline'?
On the other hand, I am afraid, changing `mm-inline-media-tests' to use
("text/org" mm-inline-text identity)
("text/x-org" mm-inline-text identity)
by default instead of `mm-display-org-inline' for safety and to avoid
loading of Org mode will cause a lot of complains from Org users.
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We are > still working on format Org mode syntax specifications. See > https://list.orgmode.org/orgmode/871rjhha8t.fsf@HIDDEN/ and > https://orgmode.org/worg/org-syntax.html > > The spec is still not fully finalized, so we are not yet initiating the > registration, as we will need to repeat it again if we decide to make > further changes (https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6838.html#section-5.5) What does this mean with regards to the patch? Should we wait with installing it until that process is done?
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Full text available.Received: (at 68687) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Jan 2024 17:13:20 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jan 30 12:13:20 2024 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36611 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1rUrfk-00054u-Id for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 30 Jan 2024 12:13:20 -0500 Received: from shell1.rawbw.com ([198.144.192.42]:13033 ident=root) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <kupfer@HIDDEN>) id 1rUrfj-00054m-CF for 68687 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 30 Jan 2024 12:13:19 -0500 Received: from alto (135-180-173-181.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [135.180.173.181] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by shell1.rawbw.com (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id 40UHCnM3003342 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 30 Jan 2024 09:12:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kupfer@HIDDEN) X-Authentication-Warning: shell1.rawbw.com: Host 135-180-173-181.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [135.180.173.181] (may be forged) claimed to be alto From: Mike Kupfer <kupfer@HIDDEN> To: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@HIDDEN> Subject: Org mode code evaluation (was: bug#68687: [PATCH] Use text/org media type) In-reply-to: <87mssn81dw.fsf@localhost> References: <6d94fff4-4d30-4121-bfd1-f267cb5b637c@HIDDEN> <8734uqpvgn.fsf@HIDDEN> <49fa47c0-522a-46d7-ba0d-6e688aa26a8e@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmn_qivb3GbHjXbdngcZe3g3LHiR9MZ9ffYjctFsWdw_yg@HIDDEN> <E1rTZWZ-0008Ca-EM@HIDDEN> <74b83cf9-cd7e-429a-bd9d-0af964e1ddc5@HIDDEN> <8634uh5rrq.fsf@HIDDEN> <E1rUfF4-00069N-Gu@HIDDEN> <87mssn81dw.fsf@localhost> Comments: In-reply-to Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@HIDDEN> message dated "Tue, 30 Jan 2024 12:13:47 +0000." X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7.1; Emacs 29.1.90 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <28313.1706634769.1@alto> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2024 09:12:49 -0800 Message-ID: <28314.1706634769@alto> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 68687 Cc: rms@HIDDEN, 68687 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, emacs-orgmode@HIDDEN, stefankangas@HIDDEN, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, manikulin@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Ihor Radchenko wrote: > Max is referring to various security issues with evaluating code inside > Org mode buffers. They are known, but not relevant to Org text being > displayed in email MUA - Org never evaluates any code automatically > without user explicitly asking for it. And in MUA, Org mode is simply > used to apply faces. No other interaction with the displayed text/org > mime part is allowed. I can believe that Org text snippets are safe in an email MUA. But in the general case, I don't think Org mode is quite as safe as you implied. The last I heard, conversion from Org mode to another format (e.g., plain text or HTML) can result in code evaluation, without the user authorizing it (see https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=48676). I would not expect random users to understand that format conversion is a potentially risky operation. mike
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If A knows this, and mails B a message > which contains text labaled as text/org, that won't make anyone > unhappy. No one would have a reason to complain. > > But what if C mails a message to D with text labeled as text/org and D > is not an Org user? Will that cause Emacs to load Org? It should > not. > > What will Gnus do when the user readss a message with text labaled as > text/org? What will Rmail do? What will MH-E do? This happens to me all the time (because our mailing lists are full of such C's, and I'm one example of D), so I know what happens, at least in Rmail: you see the text with Org markup uninterpreted, as plain text. Here's a random example: #+begin_src emacs-lisp (add-hook 'before-save-hook 'time-stamp) (require 'org-refile) (setq org-refile-use-cache t) (setq org-refile-use-outline-path t) (setq org-refile-targets '((nil :maxlevel . 5))) (setq org-goto-interface 'outline-path-completion) (setq large-file-warning-threshold 15000000) (find-file "foo.org") (org-refile-get-targets) #+end_src With Org, the header and footer should be removed from display, and the Lisp code should be displayed with lisp-mode fontifications. What I see is just plain text, including the pesky header and footer. It isn't a catastrophe, IMO. > These are crucial questions because the answers would determine > whether this feature pressures people to use Org mode or not. We need > concrete answers because only that would enable us to see cleary now > whether the feature would do that if in use. In any case, we already have this in the wild, it just uses Content-type that current standards frown on. This proposal is just to use a different, more standard-compliant Content-type.
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If A knows this, and mails B a message > which contains text labaled as text/org, that won't make anyone > unhappy. No one would have a reason to complain. > > But what if C mails a message to D with text labeled as text/org and D > is not an Org user? Will that cause Emacs to load Org? It should > not. > What will Gnus do when the user readss a message with text labaled as > text/org? What will Rmail do? What will MH-E do? It may or may not depending on user customization `mm-inline-media-tests'. Just like with text/html, application/javascript, text/x-sh, images, etc. By default, for example, text/html gets rendered via shr.el (AFAIK). Do you think that shr.el should not be loaded (in (require 'shr) sense)? > These are crucial questions because the answers would determine > whether this feature pressures people to use Org mode or not. We need > concrete answers because only that would enable us to see cleary now > whether the feature would do that if in use. Even when text/org is rendered using Org mode, there is nothing pressuring people to use Org mode there. It is just visuals. Org major mode is not activated. Also, it is already what Emacs does for text/x-org. This patch is merely asking to treat text/org as text/x-org is already treated. > Max Nikulin <manikulin@HIDDEN> wrote: > > Received or fetched Org > > files must be treated with some precautions, but it is another story. > > I was not aware of this issue. Let's look at it concretely now so we > can determine what its implications are. Have people already written > a list of these precautions? If so, I'd like to see it. Max is referring to various security issues with evaluating code inside Org mode buffers. They are known, but not relevant to Org text being displayed in email MUA - Org never evaluates any code automatically without user explicitly asking for it. And in MUA, Org mode is simply used to apply faces. 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> I think Richard lacks the broader context: that text/org is supposed
> to appear in the Content-Type header in email messages, and the MUA is
> supposed to display this content in received email messages according
> to user expectations, which generally follow how Org buffers display
> text.
Thanks/ I had a feeling that it was something along roughtly those
lines, but I was not sure. Now I know.
I am concerned that the actions described above would tend to embed
Org format and Org mode more deeply into Emacs usage.
Suppose A and B are Org users. If A knows this, and mails B a message
which contains text labaled as text/org, that won't make anyone
unhappy. No one would have a reason to complain.
But what if C mails a message to D with text labeled as text/org and D
is not an Org user? Will that cause Emacs to load Org? It should
not.
What will Gnus do when the user readss a message with text labaled as
text/org? What will Rmail do? What will MH-E do?
These are crucial questions because the answers would determine
whether this feature pressures people to use Org mode or not. We need
concrete answers because only that would enable us to see cleary now
whether the feature would do that if in use.
Max Nikulin <manikulin@HIDDEN> wrote:
Received or fetched Org
> files must be treated with some precautions, but it is another story.
I was not aware of this issue. Let's look at it concretely now so we
can determine what its implications are. Have people already written
a list of these precautions? If so, I'd like to see it.
--
Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org)
Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org)
Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org)
Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)
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Full text available.Received: (at 68687) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Jan 2024 16:48:19 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jan 28 11:48:19 2024 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58269 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1rU8KQ-0002PT-LH for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 28 Jan 2024 11:48:19 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50410) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1rU8KO-0002Of-5f for 68687 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 28 Jan 2024 11:48:17 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1rU8KA-0006le-CT; Sun, 28 Jan 2024 11:48:02 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=zg5X4Q6h4g32RovpTwk6cOuC2ZT+UMv6jRF7sp7IS4Y=; b=DTh1p1JqcSZ0 4qS0HruxkgOk1l2tLIUhMdELvjROdY54FispgduuqEMDRllPCwA45naswj3lqXdN+ddQc7uHLonMf jVeFUDy61/Hy1KgFavbOGSdIn7g5+ZCVIvVlqSUJtI8ZKtnaH3plfjWRX2iZdQ+qMT2I8qwjZHjOH mHPYfGgJBdLlnvuL0rjwj0zmgYUnqAAO4YWlM7F4jSXbmNDWs3j5FYpUmnyIL4QtA63dHYDmdrfpQ CeSOZTYu7BBWPWFuhQYQ085IFmdmiEb0KZdOMD72nOr4eK6lPOC2i50V8Brifexg/LoF3LwznhU1c gisbYZ1WIeB2Lab6St1Mag==; Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2024 18:47:37 +0200 Message-Id: <8634uh5rrq.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Max Nikulin <manikulin@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <74b83cf9-cd7e-429a-bd9d-0af964e1ddc5@HIDDEN> (message from Max Nikulin on Sun, 28 Jan 2024 23:35:09 +0700) Subject: Re: bug#68687: [PATCH] Use text/org media type References: <6d94fff4-4d30-4121-bfd1-f267cb5b637c@HIDDEN> <8734uqpvgn.fsf@HIDDEN> <49fa47c0-522a-46d7-ba0d-6e688aa26a8e@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmn_qivb3GbHjXbdngcZe3g3LHiR9MZ9ffYjctFsWdw_yg@HIDDEN> <E1rTZWZ-0008Ca-EM@HIDDEN> <74b83cf9-cd7e-429a-bd9d-0af964e1ddc5@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 68687 Cc: 68687 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, emacs-orgmode@HIDDEN, rms@HIDDEN, stefankangas@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Cc: 68687 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, emacs-orgmode@HIDDEN > Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2024 23:35:09 +0700 > From: Max Nikulin <manikulin@HIDDEN> > > On 27/01/2024 10:38, Richard Stallman wrote: > > > > What is the purpose for which text/org would be used? > > In what situations would we want to send files in Org format > > and why would it be useful to formally label them? > > I am rather confused by these questions. Media types appears in the > Content-Type header. Applications decide how to treat content basing on > media type description. E.g. Thunderbird may be configured to display > text attachments inline, but if the same attachment uses > application/vnd.lotus-organizer then an external application must be > invoked to see its text. > > De-facto Org files are used in various projects. Received or fetched Org > files must be treated with some precautions, but it is another story. I think Richard lacks the broader context: that text/org is supposed to appear in the Content-Type header in email messages, and the MUA is supposed to display this content in received email messages according to user expectations, which generally follow how Org buffers display text.
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On 27/01/2024 10:38, Richard Stallman wrote:
>
> What is the purpose for which text/org would be used?
> In what situations would we want to send files in Org format
> and why would it be useful to formally label them?
I am rather confused by these questions. Media types appears in the
Content-Type header. Applications decide how to treat content basing on
media type description. E.g. Thunderbird may be configured to display
text attachments inline, but if the same attachment uses
application/vnd.lotus-organizer then an external application must be
invoked to see its text.
De-facto Org files are used in various projects. Received or fetched Org
files must be treated with some precautions, but it is another story.
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Full text available.Received: (at 68687) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Jan 2024 13:57:19 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jan 26 08:57:19 2024 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50700 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1rTMhr-0003zo-Dr for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 26 Jan 2024 08:57:19 -0500 Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]:51049) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <yantar92@HIDDEN>) id 1rTMhp-0003zS-PS for 68687 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 26 Jan 2024 08:57:18 -0500 Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A6BDD240029 for <68687 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 26 Jan 2024 14:57:05 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1706277425; bh=Ry7LjUV/EKpK9/JF1ddlODDDrK8QuU4CFKy1UlrXM+s=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type: From; b=eDaJrM5w47OVFxl1RZ+CIly3JvPrs2WXjmjKT0jEGyebqr5RnP9KP5BsUIdTKyPLN hMrLBbhPAIXzpsNyY6laDQhJ6mDkd4nblRvdoNlUVAQIjL2ULz5sFGNswQMcbncalq bvrwyaTU8T5d+1noSEnix182McOM8KkAomWDklRM7YYOuq6QswQ/yad3/FIA1qPXX7 cSBz74XKi5hXBijRBD2JBG9rmJQD7jzLOy/MKWdrNuExupHoa7/owKU5cuc0RYtDjM H5XxwBeH5ESZMdZ1QgiIhodWWXwgTV8ppAHEdDMzEP9fdJa9db3pxlYmSpzKGPLvH2 r07EbJhLb/qCQ== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4TLzlN358bz9rxB; Fri, 26 Jan 2024 14:57:04 +0100 (CET) From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#68687: [PATCH] Use text/org media type In-Reply-To: <86h6j0bl0m.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <6d94fff4-4d30-4121-bfd1-f267cb5b637c@HIDDEN> <8734uqpvgn.fsf@HIDDEN> <49fa47c0-522a-46d7-ba0d-6e688aa26a8e@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmn_qivb3GbHjXbdngcZe3g3LHiR9MZ9ffYjctFsWdw_yg@HIDDEN> <87h6j1f08d.fsf@localhost> <86h6j0bl0m.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2024 14:00:37 +0000 Message-ID: <87il3gdwje.fsf@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 68687 Cc: 68687 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, manikulin@HIDDEN, emacs-orgmode@HIDDEN, stefankangas@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> The spec is still not fully finalized, so we are not yet initiating the >> registration, as we will need to repeat it again if we decide to make >> further changes (https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6838.html#section-5.5) > > I hope the process of finalizing the Org spec and moving to its > registration will not fall between the cracks. No worries. We are slowly working on the spec. See https://git.sr.ht/~bzg/worg/log/master/item/org-syntax.org But finalizing the whole thing will not be fast, given our plans to extend Org mode syntax to better suit software manuals as requested by RMS, and to address several long-standing issues with escaping edge cases. -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at <https://orgmode.org/>. Support Org development at <https://liberapay.com/org-mode>, or support my work at <https://liberapay.com/yantar92>
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Full text available.Received: (at 68687) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Jan 2024 12:23:19 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jan 26 07:23:19 2024 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50610 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1rTLEs-0004di-Pf for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 26 Jan 2024 07:23:19 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54986) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1rTLEq-0004dQ-Hd for 68687 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 26 Jan 2024 07:23:17 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1rTLEe-0006yy-Kx; Fri, 26 Jan 2024 07:23:04 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=rHpN5VniBaVksV3nRnsQW771lB8qqcAFPxxDigtYEvY=; b=pQsxOdGPIbEs ESsMvWwgVZ+ZJW7DIINkXlFeyLBQx356KfTjwP1uAOI9KG6fpFIi3jR+B6FCMNywFJYyDBO7bu5az bXcFkXW1+KZw3Ujc+WgCqj9iaK5RHOspCwPuToCwsXne3TaMKt5IoD2KzMkozWP057DJZPHpvg07G 7uKtzYx/HEkYBq8lqslR2/VA8+S/Q9kOd60LM4McWKRg4gm1zPXJSOhxeO6+ezuK2tZBs9gHAO6ib ZAboM/Guyxhf0c7o4UXbXz/VgH+cjVNC+ifOVD6Zb+9zBVq+jV4lfnLCmdUUU7gYUVLw/4K0nVfrT cwYHVUjwrnOD4UOIUYy4Fg==; Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2024 14:22:59 +0200 Message-Id: <864jf0b7x8.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Max Nikulin <manikulin@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <975b3fb3-36aa-4c93-9381-edc7b5cc3049@HIDDEN> (message from Max Nikulin on Fri, 26 Jan 2024 17:39:11 +0700) Subject: Re: bug#68687: [PATCH] Use text/org media type References: <6d94fff4-4d30-4121-bfd1-f267cb5b637c@HIDDEN> <8734uqpvgn.fsf@HIDDEN> <49fa47c0-522a-46d7-ba0d-6e688aa26a8e@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmn_qivb3GbHjXbdngcZe3g3LHiR9MZ9ffYjctFsWdw_yg@HIDDEN> <86plxoblrz.fsf@HIDDEN> <975b3fb3-36aa-4c93-9381-edc7b5cc3049@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 68687 Cc: 68687 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, stefankangas@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2024 17:39:11 +0700 > Cc: 68687 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > From: Max Nikulin <manikulin@HIDDEN> > > On 26/01/2024 14:23, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > I'm not sure the removal of text/x-org in these two hunks is a good > > idea: could it perhaps cause trouble to someone, e.g. if an email > > message is sent from Emacs with this change and read by Emacs without > > it? > > I do not mind if you will decide to split the suggested patch into 2 > parts and to postpone for some years hunks that affect sending. Anyway > it would be a step toward text/org media type. > > Messages sent to the emacs-orgmode mailing list last years contain mix of > - text/org > - text/x-org > - application/vnd.lotus-organizer (most popular variant) So can you please point out which part(s) of your patch should be installed right away? Or post a new patch that includes only those parts? Thanks.
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[5.44.169.188]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id a12-20020a2eb54c000000b002cdd330dc6fsm123354ljn.140.2024.01.26.02.52.41 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 26 Jan 2024 02:52:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <bf5f4296-7b08-4baf-a93d-3d2bde489bf8@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2024 17:52:40 +0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: bug#68687: [PATCH] Use text/org media type Content-Language: en-US, ru-RU To: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@HIDDEN>, Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN> References: <6d94fff4-4d30-4121-bfd1-f267cb5b637c@HIDDEN> <8734uqpvgn.fsf@HIDDEN> <49fa47c0-522a-46d7-ba0d-6e688aa26a8e@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmn_qivb3GbHjXbdngcZe3g3LHiR9MZ9ffYjctFsWdw_yg@HIDDEN> <87h6j1f08d.fsf@localhost> From: Max Nikulin <manikulin@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87h6j1f08d.fsf@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 68687 Cc: 68687 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On 26/01/2024 06:43, Ihor Radchenko wrote: > However, AFAIU, text/org will fall into "standards tree" in IANA media > type specification, which means that it MUST be registered, > > Registering text/org media type requires syntax spec. We are > still working on format Org mode syntax specifications. You a right. I was confused reading rfc6648 that registration procedure had been simplified to deprecate x- prefixes. In addition, I did not realize that application/vnd.lotus-organizer was registered without format specification because this type belongs to the vendor tree, not standards one. https://www.iana.org/assignments/media-types/application/vnd.lotus-organizer I do not think it is reasonable to use a type like text/vnd.gnu.emacs.org. Even with format specification, I am afraid, .org file name suffix may be an obstacle. Likely it is necessary to contact IBM and to ask them concerning registration of Lotus. In the optimistic scenario they may declare Lotus-related media types as obsolete since the product is discontinued. Changing of file name suffix for Org would be more painful than updating emacs to use text/org instead of text/x-org.
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I do not mind if you will decide to split the suggested patch into 2 parts and to postpone for some years hunks that affect sending. Anyway it would be a step toward text/org media type. Messages sent to the emacs-orgmode mailing list last years contain mix of - text/org - text/x-org - application/vnd.lotus-organizer (most popular variant)
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> Cc: emacs-orgmode@HIDDEN
> From: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN>
> Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2024 15:10:27 -0800
>
> Max Nikulin <manikulin@HIDDEN> writes:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I suggest to make the media type used for Org mode files consistent with
> > the one used by XDG https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xdg/shared-mime-info
> > Currently Emacs has text/x-org, however "x-" prefix is not recommended
> > by IANA any more, see https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6648
> > "Deprecating the "X-" Prefix and Similar Constructs in Application
> > Protocols"
> >
> > Ideally somebody should file a request to IANA to register the text/org
> > media type.
> > https://www.iana.org/assignments/media-types/media-types.xhtml
>
> Eli, Ihor, what do you think?
I agree, but since Ihor indicates that is impossible for now, we will
have to live with the current situation for at least the near future.
So I think we should install these changes, but please audit them
carefully to make sure we don't create any backward-compatibility
problems unnecessarily. For example:
> > diff --git a/lisp/gnus/mm-uu.el b/lisp/gnus/mm-uu.el
> > index 3c7e3cbdf1a..b10da0c143a 100644
> > --- a/lisp/gnus/mm-uu.el
> > +++ b/lisp/gnus/mm-uu.el
> > @@ -394,7 +394,7 @@ (defun mm-uu-emacs-sources-extract ()
> >
> > (defun mm-uu-org-src-code-block-extract ()
> > (mm-make-handle (mm-uu-copy-to-buffer start-point end-point)
> > - '("text/x-org" (charset . gnus-decoded))))
> > + '("text/org" (charset . gnus-decoded))))
> >
> > (defvar gnus-newsgroup-name)
> >
> > diff --git a/lisp/net/mailcap.el b/lisp/net/mailcap.el
> > index 5ff75deb4e6..900099433c4 100644
> > --- a/lisp/net/mailcap.el
> > +++ b/lisp/net/mailcap.el
> > @@ -989,7 +989,8 @@ (defvar mailcap-mime-extensions
> > (".jpe" . "image/jpeg")
> > (".jpeg" . "image/jpeg")
> > (".webp" . "image/webp")
> > - (".org" . "text/x-org"))
> > + ;; May be overridden by application/vnd.lotus-organizer in /etc/mime.types.
> > + (".org" . "text/org"))
I'm not sure the removal of text/x-org in these two hunks is a good
idea: could it perhaps cause trouble to someone, e.g. if an email
message is sent from Emacs with this change and read by Emacs without
it? (I don't use these packages, so I wouldn't know the answer.) In
general, I'd prefer changes that add text/org without removing support
for text/x-org.
Thanks.
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Max Nikulin <manikulin@HIDDEN> writes:
> Hi,
>
> I suggest to make the media type used for Org mode files consistent with
> the one used by XDG https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xdg/shared-mime-info
> Currently Emacs has text/x-org, however "x-" prefix is not recommended
> by IANA any more, see https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6648
> "Deprecating the "X-" Prefix and Similar Constructs in Application
> Protocols"
>
> Ideally somebody should file a request to IANA to register the text/org
> media type.
> https://www.iana.org/assignments/media-types/media-types.xhtml
Eli, Ihor, what do you think?
> However I have no idea concerning a conflict due to the .org file name
> suffix. It was used in the past by early versions of Lotus Organizer.
> https://www.iana.org/assignments/media-types/application/vnd.lotus-organizer
>
> I am unsure if gnus-related code should be committed to some other
> repository at first. I am not a gnus user, so I do not mind if an
> alternative change will be committed.
>
> See also
> emacs-orgmode: Org mode MIME type. Sun, 21 Jan 2024 20:56:15 +0700.
> https://list.orgmode.org/6d94fff4-4d30-4121-bfd1-f267cb5b637c@HIDDEN
> From 8b71393625f11590e99896808bbd04ed83f7917e Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
> From: Max Nikulin <manikulin@HIDDEN>
> Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2024 21:16:28 +0700
> Subject: [PATCH] Use text/org media type
>
> Avoid "x-" prefix deprecated by rfc6648 for Org mode media type.
> * lisp/net/mailcap.el (mailcap-mime-extensions):
> * lisp/gnus/mm-uu.el (mm-uu-org-src-code-block-extract): Replace
> text/x-org by text/org.
> * lisp/gnus/mm-decode.el (mm-inline-media-tests): Allow text/org in
> addition to text/x-org.
>
> Make media type defined for Org mode consistent with
> <https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xdg/shared-mime-info>
>
> See emacs-orgmode: Org mode MIME type. Sun, 21 Jan 2024 20:56:15 +0700.
> https://list.orgmode.org/6d94fff4-4d30-4121-bfd1-f267cb5b637c@HIDDEN
> ---
> lisp/gnus/mm-decode.el | 1 +
> lisp/gnus/mm-uu.el | 2 +-
> lisp/net/mailcap.el | 3 ++-
> 3 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
>
> diff --git a/lisp/gnus/mm-decode.el b/lisp/gnus/mm-decode.el
> index f91755e967b..cae737e5a3e 100644
> --- a/lisp/gnus/mm-decode.el
> +++ b/lisp/gnus/mm-decode.el
> @@ -246,6 +246,7 @@ (defcustom mm-inline-media-tests
> ("text/x-sh" mm-display-shell-script-inline identity)
> ("application/javascript" mm-display-javascript-inline identity)
> ("text/dns" mm-display-dns-inline identity)
> + ("text/org" mm-display-org-inline identity)
> ("text/x-org" mm-display-org-inline identity)
> ("text/html"
> mm-inline-text-html
> diff --git a/lisp/gnus/mm-uu.el b/lisp/gnus/mm-uu.el
> index 3c7e3cbdf1a..b10da0c143a 100644
> --- a/lisp/gnus/mm-uu.el
> +++ b/lisp/gnus/mm-uu.el
> @@ -394,7 +394,7 @@ (defun mm-uu-emacs-sources-extract ()
>
> (defun mm-uu-org-src-code-block-extract ()
> (mm-make-handle (mm-uu-copy-to-buffer start-point end-point)
> - '("text/x-org" (charset . gnus-decoded))))
> + '("text/org" (charset . gnus-decoded))))
>
> (defvar gnus-newsgroup-name)
>
> diff --git a/lisp/net/mailcap.el b/lisp/net/mailcap.el
> index 5ff75deb4e6..900099433c4 100644
> --- a/lisp/net/mailcap.el
> +++ b/lisp/net/mailcap.el
> @@ -989,7 +989,8 @@ (defvar mailcap-mime-extensions
> (".jpe" . "image/jpeg")
> (".jpeg" . "image/jpeg")
> (".webp" . "image/webp")
> - (".org" . "text/x-org"))
> + ;; May be overridden by application/vnd.lotus-organizer in /etc/mime.types.
> + (".org" . "text/org"))
> "An alist of file extensions and corresponding MIME content-types.
> This exists for you to customize the information in Lisp. It is
> merged with values from mailcap files by `mailcap-parse-mimetypes'.")
> --
> 2.39.2
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[5.44.169.188]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id k14-20020ac24f0e000000b0050e7e92d211sm2620230lfr.45.2024.01.24.06.43.56 for <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN> (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 24 Jan 2024 06:43:56 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------p7e6ZEQbkUSvqUmp0u2gMop4" Message-ID: <49fa47c0-522a-46d7-ba0d-6e688aa26a8e@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2024 21:43:55 +0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: [PATCH] Use text/org media type Content-Language: en-US, ru-RU References: <6d94fff4-4d30-4121-bfd1-f267cb5b637c@HIDDEN> <8734uqpvgn.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Debbugs-Cc: emacs-orgmode@HIDDEN To: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN From: Max Nikulin <manikulin@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <8734uqpvgn.fsf@HIDDEN> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::129; envelope-from=manikulin@HIDDEN; helo=mail-lf1-x129.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------p7e6ZEQbkUSvqUmp0u2gMop4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I suggest to make the media type used for Org mode files consistent with the one used by XDG https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xdg/shared-mime-info Currently Emacs has text/x-org, however "x-" prefix is not recommended by IANA any more, see https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6648 "Deprecating the "X-" Prefix and Similar Constructs in Application Protocols" Ideally somebody should file a request to IANA to register the text/org media type. https://www.iana.org/assignments/media-types/media-types.xhtml However I have no idea concerning a conflict due to the .org file name suffix. It was used in the past by early versions of Lotus Organizer. https://www.iana.org/assignments/media-types/application/vnd.lotus-organizer I am unsure if gnus-related code should be committed to some other repository at first. I am not a gnus user, so I do not mind if an alternative change will be committed. See also emacs-orgmode: Org mode MIME type. 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Max Nikulin <manikulin@HIDDEN>:emacs-orgmode@HIDDEN, bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN.
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