Received: (at 69097) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 May 2024 16:52:25 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon May 06 12:52:25 2024 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39064 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1s41Zh-0006vj-5s for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 May 2024 12:52:25 -0400 Received: from sendmail.purelymail.com ([34.202.193.197]:56186) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <spwhitton@HIDDEN>) id 1s41Zf-0006va-Lu for 69097 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 May 2024 12:52:24 -0400 DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; b=Gts0lDFYqUBuLO/rUwlcYyeFxXsvoQ9aJUMujyT7h1QuEZ7bMYLOLLeXgmqWRzclqJCvZZue8y2wAqStYD0Ouzz/If3Jpjy9f2fu8F6YjeQlOkJWyYm6sJoqS2v38xZ3pjUU1ENB66Qhf8Alw5WEUPCqXDiPE8G/YmhzL65brFzvR+RFbsOwARGVkABaFl7F34oEHr0wAQhGHQ//f8Oauxl2Syd8/6j35f7yD9K2IMoYfMMgE7m5zNKlrObO9y3ikCaIGkxWvfIxpeU5e8+Idu3/yxTmzV2eHrHPV8GPFbSDHF6sTI+vcb1+/lcsjVseG3PyBwBKdyWBadh1peejoQ==; s=purelymail2; d=spwhitton.name; v=1; bh=JPA+sIAI37mqWXrpK9hGpP/GmJ6g1GP8INLoyPXL3ro=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject; DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; b=Xd3ysO/DUhuMoPl4kyTBpOKs+05So+eAi64Svhd24AIcwVEyit4BBWAuvNqqvKtRpEyNwQpQqfByZhJuNbqmYIPUaUHF4nBal6hXBcrdsxGMZyLm/HUWAfJhqAd4Dflk6TqXg+fonlCvpnwf7IkpRFlGTJKjp6uY/XH/1h06nchSkKoOwI7V4BIt9aay/T71a9LiJKMoRTANXjV01KQv/9qIDAPui+KE1cneZufZjn/vhSsL9PT+nbjlygwyO01RdPQX/HJHBST/wN7g5mF7R3zj+yt8Utxbt/jEFYeG8UpdEYofYn8epnSE0NwuuELhWY0KfjGEZwTnJ8g4CJz/4w==; s=purelymail2; d=purelymail.com; v=1; bh=JPA+sIAI37mqWXrpK9hGpP/GmJ6g1GP8INLoyPXL3ro=; h=Feedback-ID:Received:Received:From:To:Subject; Feedback-ID: 20115:3760:null:purelymail X-Pm-Original-To: 69097 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Received: by smtp.purelymail.com (Purelymail SMTP) with ESMTPSA id -2100807552; (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384); Mon, 06 May 2024 16:51:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by zephyr.silentflame.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 25FC9947D9B; Mon, 6 May 2024 17:51:48 +0100 (BST) From: Sean Whitton <spwhitton@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN>, philipk@HIDDEN, rms@HIDDEN, 69097 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#69097: [PATCH] Add 'kill-region-or-word' command In-Reply-To: <87edaeevmr.fsf@HIDDEN> (Sean Whitton's message of "Mon, 06 May 2024 17:46:20 +0100") References: <871q9g8z8k.fsf@HIDDEN> <87wmob73ds.fsf@HIDDEN> <861q6jji0i.fsf@HIDDEN> <87o79n6uj6.fsf@HIDDEN> <86v83vi2kr.fsf@HIDDEN> <86seyzi2by.fsf@HIDDEN> <87cyq26bt8.fsf@HIDDEN> <864jbeixkt.fsf@HIDDEN> <874jbe65u0.fsf@HIDDEN> <8634qwkbtc.fsf@HIDDEN> <86h6fceij2.fsf@HIDDEN> <87edaeevmr.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Mon, 06 May 2024 17:51:48 +0100 Message-ID: <87a5l2evdn.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 69097 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hello, On Mon 06 May 2024 at 05:46pm +01, Sean Whitton wrote: > > In bash on Linux [...] I specifically called out Linux because while GNU readline has a unix-word-rubout command, C-w in the Linux tty is actually implemented in the Linux-specific tty layer, below readline. -- Sean Whitton
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Hello,
On Sun 05 May 2024 at 12:04pm +03, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> From: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN>
>> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, rms@HIDDEN, 69097 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
>> Date: Sun, 05 May 2024 09:53:19 +0300
>>
>> > +(defcustom kill-word-if-no-region nil
>> > + "Non-nil means that `kill-region' without a region will kill the last word."
>> > + :type 'boolean
>> > + :group 'killing)
>>
>> What a strange thing. `kill-region' is not related to word commands
>> in no way. Why not kill a sentence? Why not kill a line? Why just word?
>> All existing commands handle an active region. But there is no commands
>> that do in the opposite direction where a general command handles
>> one random specific case. This is because the region is a more
>> general concept.
>
> https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=69097#14 is supposed to
> provide the rationale (consistency with what C-w does in a terminal,
> which I presume means in Bash or similar programs which use
> Readline?).
I am concerned that the difference between Emacs's backward-kill-word
and the tty unix-word-rubout is not being taken into account with this
change proposal.
In bash on Linux there is actually both M-DEL and C-w, and they do
different things, and it's useful to have both.
E.g. if you have a half-entered command
% foo bar/baz/quux
with point at the end of the line, then M-DEL can be used to delete
individual path components, e.g. M-DEL M-DEL will get you
% foo bar/
which is nice if you need to correct some path components.
But C-w always deletes back to whitespace, in this case leaving just
'foo', so you can replace the whole argument, or several arguments, with
C-w, instead of having to type M-DEL lots of times.
So if what we're aiming for here is concordance with the terminal, then
the fallback behaviour should not be Emacs's backward-kill-word, but a
new command that's more like unix-word-rubout.
But then, I'm not sure introducing something that funadmental to Emacs's
basic command set is appropriate in the context of thinking about
fallback behaviour.
(I have C-w in Emacs be like unix-word-rubout, keep M-DEL as the
default, and move kill-region elsewhere.)
--
Sean Whitton
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Full text available.Received: (at 69097) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 May 2024 18:27:42 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun May 05 14:27:42 2024 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32923 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1s3gaM-0002gX-CJ for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 May 2024 14:27:42 -0400 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:51209) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <philipk@HIDDEN>) id 1s3gaI-0002gR-P8 for 69097 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 May 2024 14:27:41 -0400 Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F036E240101 for <69097 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 5 May 2024 20:27:08 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1714933629; bh=tzDLoSsseo9ZZBsir0cwSpcz+xQhIvCGT9YQx+z8XsE=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:OpenPGP:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Type:From; b=nhTvVvJoz+1bEH2gbZbU9lAAanZggmtztC7LF21R9qQ59m5xTJDrUKYlh2u+9BOtD 9u24lMcLZLkeKWwrLYEJDh0sDcsKKj+tnGBGH7NNnKvcAxtywvWnHRrq78h+2jPp2v lyOvHos5lLA+zAerSCETFIhZNBVzCbU3E7h2U6qJNVGM2i5yd00qfRYXeukTO5LBDv MpalWk++F3VltkJnBrRPrxFkk8/1ZiNvwShZEb0am1947ZPmo0ruDKPYAlqKCoeiLh eaSZqvDNvkml3hTn3ZVzhtJz7e+2iwoGueBJjIJAAHl9+Wu+O6iBP2rmwvtbMyygqn dvFmPJBC3za+A== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4VXY0r1TXNz6txc; Sun, 5 May 2024 20:27:07 +0200 (CEST) From: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN> To: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#69097: [PATCH] Add 'kill-region-or-word' command In-Reply-To: <86jzk8i48t.fsf@HIDDEN> (Juri Linkov's message of "Sun, 05 May 2024 19:59:46 +0300") References: <871q9g8z8k.fsf@HIDDEN> <87wmob73ds.fsf@HIDDEN> <861q6jji0i.fsf@HIDDEN> <87o79n6uj6.fsf@HIDDEN> <86v83vi2kr.fsf@HIDDEN> <86seyzi2by.fsf@HIDDEN> <87cyq26bt8.fsf@HIDDEN> <864jbeixkt.fsf@HIDDEN> <874jbe65u0.fsf@HIDDEN> <8634qwkbtc.fsf@HIDDEN> <86h6fceij2.fsf@HIDDEN> <86zft4jl5d.fsf@HIDDEN> <87plu05hcu.fsf@HIDDEN> <86jzk8i48t.fsf@HIDDEN> OpenPGP: id=7126E1DE2F0CE35C770BED01F2C3CC513DB89F66; url="https://keys.openpgp.org/vks/v1/by-fingerprint/7126E1DE2F0CE35C770BED01F2C3CC513DB89F66"; preference=signencrypt Date: Sun, 05 May 2024 18:27:07 +0000 Message-ID: <87le4o2jyc.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 69097 Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, rms@HIDDEN, 69097 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> writes: >>>>> > +(defcustom kill-word-if-no-region nil >>>>> > + "Non-nil means that `kill-region' without a region will kill the last word." >>>>> > + :type 'boolean >>>>> > + :group 'killing) >>>>> >>>>> What a strange thing. `kill-region' is not related to word commands >>>>> in no way. Why not kill a sentence? Why not kill a line? Why just word? >>>>> All existing commands handle an active region. But there is no commands >>>>> that do in the opposite direction where a general command handles >>>>> one random specific case. This is because the region is a more >>>>> general concept. >>>> >>>> https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=69097#14 is supposed to >>>> provide the rationale (consistency with what C-w does in a terminal, >>>> which I presume means in Bash or similar programs which use >>>> Readline?). >>> >>> So this is for Readline compatibility: >>> >>> unix-word-rubout (C-w) >>> Kill the word behind point, using white space as a word boundary. >>> The killed text is saved on the kill-ring. >>> >>> Then I have no opinion, since 'backward-kill-word' (C-<backspace>, M-DEL). >>> already does this just fine. >> >> Right, the initial command just merges `backward-kill-word' and >> `kill-region' into one. > > There are two ways to merge: > 1. `backward-kill-word' into `kill-region' > 2. `kill-region' into `backward-kill-word' And 3. a separate command, like `kill-region-or-word' > I don't know why prefer one over another. -- Philip Kaludercic on peregrine
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Just please make the merge a _new_ command, and don't give it the longstanding key for either `kill-region' or `backward-kill-word'. Don't give it any key binding by default. That's the Emacs way, IMO. If people tend to bind it to some normally-taken key, such as `C-w' or `M-DEL' THEN raise the question of whether Emacs should change that binding by default.
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And the open question then should be whether to bind that new command to C-w _by default_. (My vote: no.) If you like, just suggest to users, somewhere, to start using that binding. See if its use becomes popular, THEN revisit the question here of giving it `kill-region's longstanding default binding. Just one opinion.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#69097; Package emacs.
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Why not kill a sentence? Why not kill a line? Why just > word? > > All existing commands handle an active region. But there is no commands > that do in the opposite direction where a general command handles > one random specific case. This is because the region is a more > general concept. +1. Finally some sense in this thread. If there's no mark in a buffer when you use C-w the logical behavior is to raise an error telling you exactly that. Emacs was wise to do this. No mark means no region, which means no region to kill. (And how often does anyone see this error when using C-w?) ___ Just as bad as giving C-w this unhelpful behavior was redefining `kill-region' to give it the new behavior, instead of binding C-w to a new command. ___ Having no mark is different from having an empty region (whether or not transient-mark-mode is on). An empty region is a bona fide region. Killing an empty region works; as does yanking it. An empty string on the kill ring affects yanking just as one would expect. Code can depend on it.
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>> > +(defcustom kill-word-if-no-region nil
>> > + "Non-nil means that `kill-region' without a region will kill the last word."
>> > + :type 'boolean
>> > + :group 'killing)
>>
>> What a strange thing. `kill-region' is not related to word commands
>> in no way. Why not kill a sentence? Why not kill a line? Why just word?
>> All existing commands handle an active region. But there is no commands
>> that do in the opposite direction where a general command handles
>> one random specific case. This is because the region is a more
>> general concept.
>
> https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=69097#14 is supposed to
> provide the rationale (consistency with what C-w does in a terminal,
> which I presume means in Bash or similar programs which use
> Readline?).
So this is for Readline compatibility:
unix-word-rubout (C-w)
Kill the word behind point, using white space as a word boundary.
The killed text is saved on the kill-ring.
Then I have no opinion, since 'backward-kill-word' (C-<backspace>, M-DEL).
already does this just fine.
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Full text available.Received: (at 69097) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 May 2024 07:01:37 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun May 05 03:01:36 2024 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58093 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1s3VsO-0001oj-M3 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 May 2024 03:01:36 -0400 Received: from relay8-d.mail.gandi.net ([2001:4b98:dc4:8::228]:37165) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <juri@HIDDEN>) id 1s3VsM-0001oA-00 for 69097 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 May 2024 03:01:34 -0400 Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8247C1BF204; Sun, 5 May 2024 07:01:01 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> To: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#69097: [PATCH] Add 'kill-region-or-word' command In-Reply-To: <874jbe65u0.fsf@HIDDEN> (Philip Kaludercic's message of "Fri, 03 May 2024 19:41:43 +0000") Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <871q9g8z8k.fsf@HIDDEN> <87wmob73ds.fsf@HIDDEN> <861q6jji0i.fsf@HIDDEN> <87o79n6uj6.fsf@HIDDEN> <86v83vi2kr.fsf@HIDDEN> <86seyzi2by.fsf@HIDDEN> <87cyq26bt8.fsf@HIDDEN> <864jbeixkt.fsf@HIDDEN> <874jbe65u0.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Sun, 05 May 2024 09:53:19 +0300 Message-ID: <8634qwkbtc.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/30.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-GND-Sasl: juri@HIDDEN X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 69097 Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, rms@HIDDEN, 69097 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > +(defcustom kill-word-if-no-region nil > + "Non-nil means that `kill-region' without a region will kill the last word." > + :type 'boolean > + :group 'killing) What a strange thing. `kill-region' is not related to word commands in no way. Why not kill a sentence? Why not kill a line? Why just word? All existing commands handle an active region. But there is no commands that do in the opposite direction where a general command handles one random specific case. This is because the region is a more general concept.
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This should be modified according to comments below, and also should say what is the default of this option. > +(defcustom kill-word-if-no-region nil > + "Non-nil means that `kill-region' without a region will kill the last word." > + :type 'boolean > + :group 'killing) This lacks the :version tag. > +Lisp programs should use this function for killing text. (To delete > +text, use `delete-region'.) Supply two arguments, character positions > +BEG and END indicating the stretch of text to be killed. If the > +optional argument REGION is non-nil, the function ignores BEG and END, > +and kills the current region instead. If REGION has the special value > +`kill-word', then it will kill the previous word, as with > +`backward-kill-word'. Instead of "the previous word", I would say "word characters before point", since we don't kill the entire word if point is inside a word. > Interactively, REGION is always non-nil, and so > +this command always kills the current region." This is not accurate, is it? If you invoke C-w immediately after starting "emacs -Q", C-w currently signals an error. Also, the new user option should be mentioned here with its effect on what happens in that case. > + (cond > + ((and beg end (use-region-p)) > + (list beg end 'region)) > + (kill-word-if-no-region > + (list beg end 'kill-word)) > + ((user-error "The mark is not set now, so there is no region")))))) > + If transient-mark-mode is OFF and kill-word-if-no-region is non-nil, this will always kill the previous word, right? I think this is not what we want, so I think the above should work specially if transient-mark-mode is turned OFF. Finally, this needs the suitable changes in the manuals. Thanks.
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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
>> From: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN>
>> Cc: rms@HIDDEN, 69097 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
>> Date: Fri, 03 May 2024 17:32:35 +0000
>>
>> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
>>
>> >> Cc: rms@HIDDEN, 69097 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
>> >> Date: Fri, 03 May 2024 13:59:00 +0300
>> >> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>
>> >>
>> >> > From: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN>
>> >> > Cc: 69097 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN>
>> >> > Date: Fri, 03 May 2024 10:48:13 +0000
>> >> >
>> >> > > More to the point, can you explain why we need this, given the
>> >> > > existence of kill-word?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Also, this kills backward, something that is not evident, neither from
>> >> > > the name of the command nor from the doc string (and the obscure
>> >> > > reference to Unix doesn't help, IMO).
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Finally, having another command that kills the region doesn't seem
>> >> > > justified, or is it?
>> >> >
>> >> > The motivation is sort of the same as with generalising `upcase-word' to
>> >> > `upcase-dwim'. If there is no active region, it behaves like
>> >> > `backward-kill-word' (which is what C-w does in a terminal as well), but
>> >> > if there is an active region it reverts to `kill-ring-save'.
>> >>
>> >> If so, then (assuming we decide to accept this change), the name of
>> >> the command should be something like kill-word-dwim, and the doc
>> >> string should mention the two commands you refer to above.
>> >>
>> >> > I have this in my personal configuration for ages, and it is always
>> >> > one of the first things I re-implement when using an Emacs without a
>> >> > custom init.el.
>> >>
>> >> Any reason why you need this command and cannot settle for the two
>> >> commands it replaces heuristically? Are you using Emacs with
>> >> transient-mark-mode on or off?
>> >
>> > And one more question: currently C-w signals an error if there's no
>> > region. So another idea is to extend C-w to delete the word at point
>> > if there's no region (where "no region" means "no active region" if
>> > transient-mark-mode is ON, otherwise it means "no mark set").
>>
>> That is basically what my command does (with the difference that I don't
>> just check if (mark) is non-nil but also if (use-region-p) is non-nil),
>> just not part of kill-region. I don't know if this is too invasive, if
>> users are used to this error being signalled. Perhaps it can be
>> protected by a user option?
>
> I don't think anyone wants the error, so doing something useful in
> that case should be a no-brainer.
How does this look like:
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From c64fa2065e88c4e4848bf8a15161c82ae6d1c2bd Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN>
Date: Fri, 3 May 2024 21:38:51 +0200
Subject: [PATCH] Allow 'kill-region' to delete the last word
* lisp/simple.el (kill-word-if-no-region): Add new user option
to allow 'kill-region' to kill the last word if no region is
active. The intention is to mirror the conventional C-w binding
found in many Unix shells.
(kill-region): Respect 'kill-word-if-no-region'.
* etc/NEWS: Mention the change. (Bug#69097)
---
etc/NEWS | 6 ++++++
lisp/simple.el | 43 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-------------
2 files changed, 36 insertions(+), 13 deletions(-)
diff --git a/etc/NEWS b/etc/NEWS
index d4177d759f3..a0f2472ab67 100644
--- a/etc/NEWS
+++ b/etc/NEWS
@@ -416,6 +416,12 @@ When visiting a script that invokes 'env -S INTERPRETER ARGS...' in
its shebang line, Emacs will now skip over 'env -S' and deduce the
major mode based on the interpreter after 'env -S'.
+---
+*** New user option 'kill-word-if-no-region'.
+This option will modify the fall-back behaviour of 'kill-region' if no
+region is active, and will kill the last word instead of raising an
+error.
+
** Emacs Server and Client
---
diff --git a/lisp/simple.el b/lisp/simple.el
index a459f6ecfd2..7fade562909 100644
--- a/lisp/simple.el
+++ b/lisp/simple.el
@@ -5790,6 +5790,11 @@ kill-read-only-ok
:type 'boolean
:group 'killing)
+(defcustom kill-word-if-no-region nil
+ "Non-nil means that `kill-region' without a region will kill the last word."
+ :type 'boolean
+ :group 'killing)
+
(defun kill-region (beg end &optional region)
"Kill (\"cut\") text between point and mark.
This deletes the text from the buffer and saves it in the kill ring.
@@ -5812,25 +5817,36 @@ kill-region
the text, but put the text in the kill ring anyway. This means that
you can use the killing commands to copy text from a read-only buffer.
-Lisp programs should use this function for killing text.
- (To delete text, use `delete-region'.)
-Supply two arguments, character positions BEG and END indicating the
- stretch of text to be killed. If the optional argument REGION is
- non-nil, the function ignores BEG and END, and kills the current
- region instead. Interactively, REGION is always non-nil, and so
- this command always kills the current region."
+Lisp programs should use this function for killing text. (To delete
+text, use `delete-region'.) Supply two arguments, character positions
+BEG and END indicating the stretch of text to be killed. If the
+optional argument REGION is non-nil, the function ignores BEG and END,
+and kills the current region instead. If REGION has the special value
+`kill-word', then it will kill the previous word, as with
+`backward-kill-word'. Interactively, REGION is always non-nil, and so
+this command always kills the current region."
;; Pass mark first, then point, because the order matters when
;; calling `kill-append'.
(interactive (progn
(let ((beg (mark))
(end (point)))
- (unless (and beg end)
- (user-error "The mark is not set now, so there is no region"))
- (list beg end 'region))))
+ (cond
+ ((and beg end (use-region-p))
+ (list beg end 'region))
+ (kill-word-if-no-region
+ (list beg end 'kill-word))
+ ((user-error "The mark is not set now, so there is no region"))))))
+
(condition-case nil
- (let ((string (if region
- (funcall region-extract-function 'delete)
- (filter-buffer-substring beg end 'delete))))
+ (let ((string (cond
+ ((eq region 'kill-word)
+ (let ((end (point)))
+ (save-excursion
+ (forward-word -1)
+ (filter-buffer-substring (point) end 'delete))))
+ (region
+ (funcall region-extract-function 'delete))
+ ((filter-buffer-substring beg end 'delete)))))
(when string ;STRING is nil if BEG = END
;; Add that string to the kill ring, one way or another.
(if (eq last-command 'kill-region)
@@ -5857,6 +5873,7 @@ kill-region
;; If the buffer isn't read-only, the text is.
(signal 'text-read-only (list (current-buffer)))))))
+
;; copy-region-as-kill no longer sets this-command, because it's confusing
;; to get two copies of the text when the user accidentally types M-w and
;; then corrects it with the intended C-w.
--
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Full text available.Received: (at 69097) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 May 2024 18:02:18 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri May 03 14:02:18 2024 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47985 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1s2xEg-0005Ly-9T for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 03 May 2024 14:02:18 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:59000) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1s2xEd-0005Lr-Er for 69097 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 03 May 2024 14:02:16 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1s2xEB-0006U8-GA; Fri, 03 May 2024 14:01:47 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=gDRMQjcOWX4vV8QndGwGwUM+Fue7RsQ9WnJ8xtxNc/4=; b=FOhKGzjv6HuF kUxrePYzSR7QqSIA1FxnRYpzNO8Uq8BET6XvbMPFDOveoilUR5cayK/pDnF9okbWMg90gjZOae7sr tXPIN5EDvFzmSqZuzQtlt1gt/tTaGWFwhFnNDUpWuB6rqrdonf2UWk/8jPRuzTIyu/yc4tPNkIbnr 1uev9/hcBASTCQepAFA5SI0/SFkDc/4ErJtNqZXoIj+hQ1kDjKuUFW4zYLjVgMKstSK985S5cSOAy BMpHo5A+L80/PcLSjGdreUfN0Jm6YUTVvAS1K1cHqzmJFvFXwSvBBWidWFC3yZXGiPmrYmAvr5RAn if4mAdBP6K7nXI+BgachoA==; Date: Fri, 03 May 2024 21:01:38 +0300 Message-Id: <864jbeixkt.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87cyq26bt8.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Philip Kaludercic on Fri, 03 May 2024 17:32:35 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#69097: [PATCH] Add 'kill-region-or-word' command References: <871q9g8z8k.fsf@HIDDEN> <87wmob73ds.fsf@HIDDEN> <861q6jji0i.fsf@HIDDEN> <87o79n6uj6.fsf@HIDDEN> <86v83vi2kr.fsf@HIDDEN> <86seyzi2by.fsf@HIDDEN> <87cyq26bt8.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 69097 Cc: rms@HIDDEN, 69097 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN> > Cc: rms@HIDDEN, 69097 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 03 May 2024 17:32:35 +0000 > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > > >> Cc: rms@HIDDEN, 69097 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > >> Date: Fri, 03 May 2024 13:59:00 +0300 > >> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> > >> > >> > From: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN> > >> > Cc: 69097 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN> > >> > Date: Fri, 03 May 2024 10:48:13 +0000 > >> > > >> > > More to the point, can you explain why we need this, given the > >> > > existence of kill-word? > >> > > > >> > > Also, this kills backward, something that is not evident, neither from > >> > > the name of the command nor from the doc string (and the obscure > >> > > reference to Unix doesn't help, IMO). > >> > > > >> > > Finally, having another command that kills the region doesn't seem > >> > > justified, or is it? > >> > > >> > The motivation is sort of the same as with generalising `upcase-word' to > >> > `upcase-dwim'. If there is no active region, it behaves like > >> > `backward-kill-word' (which is what C-w does in a terminal as well), but > >> > if there is an active region it reverts to `kill-ring-save'. > >> > >> If so, then (assuming we decide to accept this change), the name of > >> the command should be something like kill-word-dwim, and the doc > >> string should mention the two commands you refer to above. > >> > >> > I have this in my personal configuration for ages, and it is always > >> > one of the first things I re-implement when using an Emacs without a > >> > custom init.el. > >> > >> Any reason why you need this command and cannot settle for the two > >> commands it replaces heuristically? Are you using Emacs with > >> transient-mark-mode on or off? > > > > And one more question: currently C-w signals an error if there's no > > region. So another idea is to extend C-w to delete the word at point > > if there's no region (where "no region" means "no active region" if > > transient-mark-mode is ON, otherwise it means "no mark set"). > > That is basically what my command does (with the difference that I don't > just check if (mark) is non-nil but also if (use-region-p) is non-nil), > just not part of kill-region. I don't know if this is too invasive, if > users are used to this error being signalled. Perhaps it can be > protected by a user option? I don't think anyone wants the error, so doing something useful in that case should be a no-brainer.
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If there is no active region, it behaves like >> > `backward-kill-word' (which is what C-w does in a terminal as well), but >> > if there is an active region it reverts to `kill-ring-save'. >> >> If so, then (assuming we decide to accept this change), the name of >> the command should be something like kill-word-dwim, and the doc >> string should mention the two commands you refer to above. >> >> > I have this in my personal configuration for ages, and it is always >> > one of the first things I re-implement when using an Emacs without a >> > custom init.el. >> >> Any reason why you need this command and cannot settle for the two >> commands it replaces heuristically? Are you using Emacs with >> transient-mark-mode on or off? > > And one more question: currently C-w signals an error if there's no > region. So another idea is to extend C-w to delete the word at point > if there's no region (where "no region" means "no active region" if > transient-mark-mode is ON, otherwise it means "no mark set"). That is basically what my command does (with the difference that I don't just check if (mark) is non-nil but also if (use-region-p) is non-nil), just not part of kill-region. I don't know if this is too invasive, if users are used to this error being signalled. Perhaps it can be protected by a user option? -- Philip Kaludercic on peregrine
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I had a discussion with RMS off-list and he seemed to be >> >> supportive of the change. >> > >> > That's a problem with off-list discussions: no one knows about them. >> >> I also realised this too late, if you want to I can resend the messages. > > I think that would be a good idea, at least for posterity. So please > do. Done, let's see if my mail server allows it. >> > More to the point, can you explain why we need this, given the >> > existence of kill-word? >> > >> > Also, this kills backward, something that is not evident, neither from >> > the name of the command nor from the doc string (and the obscure >> > reference to Unix doesn't help, IMO). >> > >> > Finally, having another command that kills the region doesn't seem >> > justified, or is it? >> >> The motivation is sort of the same as with generalising `upcase-word' to >> `upcase-dwim'. If there is no active region, it behaves like >> `backward-kill-word' (which is what C-w does in a terminal as well), but >> if there is an active region it reverts to `kill-ring-save'. > > If so, then (assuming we decide to accept this change), the name of > the command should be something like kill-word-dwim, and the doc > string should mention the two commands you refer to above. I am not sure if the analogy is that perfect, but I certainly can mention `backward-kill-word' and `kill-ring-save'. >> I have this in my personal configuration for ages, and it is always >> one of the first things I re-implement when using an Emacs without a >> custom init.el. > > Any reason why you need this command and cannot settle for the two > commands it replaces heuristically? Are you using Emacs with > transient-mark-mode on or off? With transient-mark-mode on. I have a mixed habit of using C-w in terminals and in Emacs, and which one I want to use correlates pretty well with there being an active region. -- Philip Kaludercic on peregrine
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This makes usage > together with `transient-mark-mode' intuitive, because if you can see > the selection, you kill a region, otherwise a word is deleted. That seems natural. Have you tried putting this on M-d? It could be convenient but it could instead be disturbing and surprising. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)
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b=nUwY4LbUbRHV QHnLzFV82nhid/V0MywrCjhgSzyX6C706q4Hd1XFrhsE0NUKzl/b8vW9Eiu4D6SR/CMxExNNLSI1h /BxF41Ay7z5p6cmruYv6y0l2q0Wbz13WCxKsGXzyNx4jsM0L1K0i3iq/aMzoZNehyeXP9yZL4AqKd vW5A0Mo7N8J5ArcXDOwgOuVp2q7RvJZBl8w6mWaV3YNhGN8N0vCyzq/G/5Q9rNoQ1HUwCsgG7Zlq4 rQFBaxJZyAKHSmgsphvJmAuh3LomA2Xo8pdW6uSd6CUxdh4vJ3lacnyRwwf+AtpALn5R8FqfyFj06 ZgaSfhqGQw2MVvXkn42bHw==; Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <rms@HIDDEN>) id 1rentL-0000u5-6y; Mon, 26 Feb 2024 22:12:27 -0500 From: Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN> To: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87frxgn73g.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Philip Kaludercic on Sun, 25 Feb 2024 10:58:27 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#69097: [PATCH] Add 'kill-region-or-word' command References: <871q9g8z8k.fsf@HIDDEN> <E1rbBlC-0008Nk-8q@HIDDEN> <87ttm7gi9i.fsf@HIDDEN> <E1rbuaC-0001Uh-JI@HIDDEN> <87sf1obkw9.fsf@HIDDEN> <E1rdLrN-0004wj-5E@HIDDEN> <871q93rzv8.fsf@HIDDEN> <E1re4zh-0004Fi-5e@HIDDEN> <87frxgn73g.fsf@HIDDEN> Message-Id: <E1rentL-0000u5-6y@HIDDEN> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 03:12:27 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 69097 Cc: 69097 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Reply-To: rms@HIDDEN Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > I don't think this command should be bound by default at all. Just like > by default M-u is bound to `upcase-word', but the user might decide to > rebind the key to the more powerful (or more confusing) DWIM command > `upcase-dwim', here too, I just want to propose offering an opt-in > alternative that the user can bind wherever they please. Making the > decision for them would be too invasive IMO. Maybe you're right -- but let's find out what users think of it. It may turn out that users will love having this command on M-DEL. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)
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b=Sr5JLMpvaPDr BTYu1Hd1h1W5K4HKZt89BJjguhH51UoyGSGsf9hEqbtR8LQrXy1lN7W0ZcGFuEcAHqbQxUMGnKRQY qmw9X5U6yLD8Sa6e/JFSsIfjo0cmtpz2TGEZSRren2IxzyAEGRoQGkMiR6sbLbHGRWLMDm3xkvwi0 Evg0k7Yqh9+yQCRtPPPQoMNWKqu30qaN+OQvwGywUjaWRz6/UCIkZZFhe3uc5SB/RnGiGhGIZyNDu oSQBqCPAxjrkyhNv8cgQlpdzu6314KKmu2TtsCQjflwr6ueu8eU1YguybP5ry2cWWVq49OuOkE3SE f4s4KHm1OTcHdaE0V96UwQ==; Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <rms@HIDDEN>) id 1re4zh-0004Fi-5e; Sat, 24 Feb 2024 22:16:01 -0500 From: Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN> To: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <871q93rzv8.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Philip Kaludercic on Fri, 23 Feb 2024 14:58:51 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#69097: [PATCH] Add 'kill-region-or-word' command References: <871q9g8z8k.fsf@HIDDEN> <E1rbBlC-0008Nk-8q@HIDDEN> <87ttm7gi9i.fsf@HIDDEN> <E1rbuaC-0001Uh-JI@HIDDEN> <87sf1obkw9.fsf@HIDDEN> <E1rdLrN-0004wj-5E@HIDDEN> <871q93rzv8.fsf@HIDDEN> Message-Id: <E1re4zh-0004Fi-5e@HIDDEN> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2024 03:16:01 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 69097 Cc: 69097 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Reply-To: rms@HIDDEN Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > Have you tried putting this on M-d? It could be convenient but it > > could instead be disturbing and surprising. > I would expect it to be weird, as long as the proposed command uses > backward-kill-word, and not kill-word. I did not see in the email that it kills a word _backwards_. That being so, the natural binding for it would be M-DEL. Do people find this changed behavior for M-DEL natural? I am not presuming either yes or no. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)
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b=Sr5JLMpvaPDr BTYu1Hd1h1W5K4HKZt89BJjguhH51UoyGSGsf9hEqbtR8LQrXy1lN7W0ZcGFuEcAHqbQxUMGnKRQY qmw9X5U6yLD8Sa6e/JFSsIfjo0cmtpz2TGEZSRren2IxzyAEGRoQGkMiR6sbLbHGRWLMDm3xkvwi0 Evg0k7Yqh9+yQCRtPPPQoMNWKqu30qaN+OQvwGywUjaWRz6/UCIkZZFhe3uc5SB/RnGiGhGIZyNDu oSQBqCPAxjrkyhNv8cgQlpdzu6314KKmu2TtsCQjflwr6ueu8eU1YguybP5ry2cWWVq49OuOkE3SE f4s4KHm1OTcHdaE0V96UwQ==; Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <rms@HIDDEN>) id 1re4zh-0004Fi-5e; Sat, 24 Feb 2024 22:16:01 -0500 From: Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN> To: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <871q93rzv8.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Philip Kaludercic on Fri, 23 Feb 2024 14:58:51 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#69097: [PATCH] Add 'kill-region-or-word' command References: <871q9g8z8k.fsf@HIDDEN> <E1rbBlC-0008Nk-8q@HIDDEN> <87ttm7gi9i.fsf@HIDDEN> <E1rbuaC-0001Uh-JI@HIDDEN> <87sf1obkw9.fsf@HIDDEN> <E1rdLrN-0004wj-5E@HIDDEN> <871q93rzv8.fsf@HIDDEN> Message-Id: <E1re4zh-0004Fi-5e@HIDDEN> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2024 03:16:01 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 69097 Cc: 69097 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Reply-To: rms@HIDDEN Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > Have you tried putting this on M-d? It could be convenient but it > > could instead be disturbing and surprising. > I would expect it to be weird, as long as the proposed command uses > backward-kill-word, and not kill-word. I did not see in the email that it kills a word _backwards_. That being so, the natural binding for it would be M-DEL. Do people find this changed behavior for M-DEL natural? I am not presuming either yes or no. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)
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b=KVfHu46EeQd/ +Nfv0al4t3ZViphHt91s4DQnAP7oVn10oXcHmuGFxLftG2/BBY20q8pJ4hsRaWxKs9QdOmw5qaC+B 4GR4nZIxKy/BR+ojffg2O7oYJnJp2d6gkzvywTCwSiLs6g2ecUAMTovWh30QGtC0Q3KTtRacodayj fiYnW3HEIt10+mWAopbrEyys1PA6zUqwud/A01PNgYk7ctXQOj8P+UZ0lKILgCiAhIh+ZAe2/ESEY D6K2nwYBXE1E6WNUG4ch7ceuMWn7yhJ1MVehKZxMFLP8pktCFFeRTPYY2k+O37rbC3evxEZb3jCb1 NfdZC3lvw+yy21h9mdwziA==; Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <rms@HIDDEN>) id 1rdLrN-0004wj-5E; Thu, 22 Feb 2024 22:04:25 -0500 From: Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN> To: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87sf1obkw9.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Philip Kaludercic on Mon, 19 Feb 2024 14:15:18 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#69097: [PATCH] Add 'kill-region-or-word' command References: <871q9g8z8k.fsf@HIDDEN> <E1rbBlC-0008Nk-8q@HIDDEN> <87ttm7gi9i.fsf@HIDDEN> <E1rbuaC-0001Uh-JI@HIDDEN> <87sf1obkw9.fsf@HIDDEN> Message-Id: <E1rdLrN-0004wj-5E@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2024 03:04:25 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 69097 Cc: 69097 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Reply-To: rms@HIDDEN Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > My command boils down to using `use-region-p'. This makes usage > together with `transient-mark-mode' intuitive, because if you can see > the selection, you kill a region, otherwise a word is deleted. That seems natural. Have you tried putting this on M-d? It could be convenient but it could instead be disturbing and surprising. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)
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Full text available.Received: (at 69097) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 May 2024 11:05:03 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri May 03 07:05:03 2024 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46387 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1s2qit-0002Ek-6p for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 03 May 2024 07:05:03 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42610) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1s2qir-0002EI-Js for 69097 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 03 May 2024 07:05:02 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1s2qiP-000692-QM; Fri, 03 May 2024 07:04:33 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=rFyPH/SIFaJEXmtCpwz0Y1V1DsT0MYiqYk9cwxDH2rw=; b=Cm4P6Ng9ifvQ aLBZtW5V2dX05oUef7G0kd9bYGzSRTQYhrJGcTp7vf5UGTSZbrSIK+NnrLULkEgtM4qzc7UVDFGPG fwH2Q9ernD6zlHeHgFiVSj6Kbs+lg5IE4H9M4Ebk0meWvwCJwIlZUe/Rt+u/v921UreMk0xduqOIm vIu0c7bbWEKt/Opradf8fS4OpettXimMpNHIAMMKnoXrDIlAEgU8IztX4oQcB50i4+vdtI5hxuHDA nvIuqLW1TpNMad+pWQ4L8UHjrILaGycAwVVua6Jby4HGMG3S6cQ1342MsO/Hkd2eqk5FR2QORNNAJ lml3d4K/D4o+c2a/mi1Evg==; Date: Fri, 03 May 2024 14:04:17 +0300 Message-Id: <86seyzi2by.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: philipk@HIDDEN In-Reply-To: <86v83vi2kr.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Fri, 03 May 2024 13:59:00 +0300) Subject: Re: bug#69097: [PATCH] Add 'kill-region-or-word' command References: <871q9g8z8k.fsf@HIDDEN> <87wmob73ds.fsf@HIDDEN> <861q6jji0i.fsf@HIDDEN> <87o79n6uj6.fsf@HIDDEN> <86v83vi2kr.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 69097 Cc: rms@HIDDEN, 69097 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Cc: rms@HIDDEN, 69097 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 03 May 2024 13:59:00 +0300 > From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> > > > From: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN> > > Cc: 69097 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN> > > Date: Fri, 03 May 2024 10:48:13 +0000 > > > > > More to the point, can you explain why we need this, given the > > > existence of kill-word? > > > > > > Also, this kills backward, something that is not evident, neither from > > > the name of the command nor from the doc string (and the obscure > > > reference to Unix doesn't help, IMO). > > > > > > Finally, having another command that kills the region doesn't seem > > > justified, or is it? > > > > The motivation is sort of the same as with generalising `upcase-word' to > > `upcase-dwim'. If there is no active region, it behaves like > > `backward-kill-word' (which is what C-w does in a terminal as well), but > > if there is an active region it reverts to `kill-ring-save'. > > If so, then (assuming we decide to accept this change), the name of > the command should be something like kill-word-dwim, and the doc > string should mention the two commands you refer to above. > > > I have this in my personal configuration for ages, and it is always > > one of the first things I re-implement when using an Emacs without a > > custom init.el. > > Any reason why you need this command and cannot settle for the two > commands it replaces heuristically? Are you using Emacs with > transient-mark-mode on or off? And one more question: currently C-w signals an error if there's no region. So another idea is to extend C-w to delete the word at point if there's no region (where "no region" means "no active region" if transient-mark-mode is ON, otherwise it means "no mark set").
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Full text available.Received: (at 69097) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 May 2024 11:00:03 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri May 03 07:00:03 2024 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46382 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1s2qe1-0002A2-S2 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 03 May 2024 07:00:03 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54098) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1s2qdx-00029R-0g for 69097 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 03 May 2024 07:00:01 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1s2qdU-0004gq-Ke; Fri, 03 May 2024 06:59:28 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=Gx6K8l5MXoGOVurtCOdDug37haKsyYQmZjJzRGOrdns=; b=gCDb1UrXs/gm fAr2eJqfsUxAho5nwkssQZHENHpB9g2qoKN06K29xZJ5k8u1oYZBFG+yAf3eS3PrJxBlEiQrmu0Zc cWR6xngm2BMhnfBQ29j7uVDP7ka2sN6XeFx9UzGeW2zcNHyh35VJNpiDAIOpE60iGJkJFxgzBk1dB 5mu9jQBjzGffy3EKRnWlYbUpfZVryiXvdFReEetRN5g2sjj9NS4egx0YcwHPeY/3EzP7tFo+UZUMJ gkIfZ/bUjrGcaWwHKEQOkYOVEoP2kGjsHNVwo5Z1oXOyYzDnfeNxZdBcMT1l2WVa+3i7EVjkV0cEA 9Ki+LQQK/m5wQqoIBXCB4A==; Date: Fri, 03 May 2024 13:59:00 +0300 Message-Id: <86v83vi2kr.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87o79n6uj6.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Philip Kaludercic on Fri, 03 May 2024 10:48:13 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#69097: [PATCH] Add 'kill-region-or-word' command References: <871q9g8z8k.fsf@HIDDEN> <87wmob73ds.fsf@HIDDEN> <861q6jji0i.fsf@HIDDEN> <87o79n6uj6.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 69097 Cc: rms@HIDDEN, 69097 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN> > Cc: 69097 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN> > Date: Fri, 03 May 2024 10:48:13 +0000 > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > > >> ping? I had a discussion with RMS off-list and he seemed to be > >> supportive of the change. > > > > That's a problem with off-list discussions: no one knows about them. > > I also realised this too late, if you want to I can resend the messages. I think that would be a good idea, at least for posterity. So please do. > > More to the point, can you explain why we need this, given the > > existence of kill-word? > > > > Also, this kills backward, something that is not evident, neither from > > the name of the command nor from the doc string (and the obscure > > reference to Unix doesn't help, IMO). > > > > Finally, having another command that kills the region doesn't seem > > justified, or is it? > > The motivation is sort of the same as with generalising `upcase-word' to > `upcase-dwim'. If there is no active region, it behaves like > `backward-kill-word' (which is what C-w does in a terminal as well), but > if there is an active region it reverts to `kill-ring-save'. If so, then (assuming we decide to accept this change), the name of the command should be something like kill-word-dwim, and the doc string should mention the two commands you refer to above. > I have this in my personal configuration for ages, and it is always > one of the first things I re-implement when using an Emacs without a > custom init.el. Any reason why you need this command and cannot settle for the two commands it replaces heuristically? Are you using Emacs with transient-mark-mode on or off?
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#69097; Package emacs.
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Full text available.Received: (at 69097) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 May 2024 10:41:07 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri May 03 06:41:07 2024 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46370 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1s2qLj-00020V-B4 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 03 May 2024 06:41:07 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39498) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1s2qLf-000201-MR for 69097 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 03 May 2024 06:41:05 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1s2qLB-0000dz-9U; Fri, 03 May 2024 06:40:34 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=51Ex3LLhcFJZ1Tgq48N3F/CNy4Ecj/r2UHphGwLBwbQ=; b=QmOEPqZTubj0 WVv+DSl7CHEMS/q2/NXNGbgXUUkm2cpLXZjtSqioRnEDZRDnp6namcQgE9kdzVMwX4nOamn1cK762 zrHoGvLihf9hc8qlJYDEIcNW50FCXUslIN0ONBKBYaE85bgAOX6KJ8u+akHwHDgqZeagPEz4Wvpib vlPSH7UW1tXhFYGB+TfFvd9+59mGr7K0tpn5ih0UmVo7wehgyXOeHGWxstaUkrLIMwC7yeR5ug7DW 1D8DDKphjeS3DRKIXEwyU12i+99ty8E0V1tan6P3wbLPIuEzT5BB/6dQ7BQtpHm08yWUgFPwhQYQz ZGdnyBANgJ/6wrb4GUCC3Q==; Date: Fri, 03 May 2024 13:40:13 +0300 Message-Id: <861q6jji0i.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87wmob73ds.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Philip Kaludercic on Fri, 03 May 2024 07:37:03 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#69097: [PATCH] Add 'kill-region-or-word' command References: <871q9g8z8k.fsf@HIDDEN> <87wmob73ds.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 69097 Cc: Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN>, 69097 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN> > Date: Fri, 03 May 2024 07:37:03 +0000 > > Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN> writes: > > > This is another useful command I find myself re-implementing every time > > I use an unmodified Emacs, that I think would provide some nice > > convenience for people used to classical Unix keybindings. > > ping? I had a discussion with RMS off-list and he seemed to be > supportive of the change. That's a problem with off-list discussions: no one knows about them. More to the point, can you explain why we need this, given the existence of kill-word? Also, this kills backward, something that is not evident, neither from the name of the command nor from the doc string (and the obscure reference to Unix doesn't help, IMO). Finally, having another command that kills the region doesn't seem justified, or is it?
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This should remove the need to change its value when installing GNU coreutils using something like ports or Homebrew. +--- +** New command 'kill-region-or-word'. +This command will kill a region, if it is active, or delete the last +word. As such, it is a convenient alternative binding for C-w, +providing a DWIM behaviour for both Emacs and Unix users. + +++ ** cl-print diff --git a/lisp/simple.el b/lisp/simple.el index 9a33049f4ca..bf4080fcf2d 100644 --- a/lisp/simple.el +++ b/lisp/simple.el @@ -8798,6 +8798,15 @@ backward-kill-word (interactive "p") (kill-word (- arg))) +(defun kill-region-or-word () + "Call `kill-region' if there is an active region. +Otherwise kill the last word, just like Unix." + (interactive) + (call-interactively + (if (use-region-p) + #'kill-region + #'backward-kill-word))) + (defun current-word (&optional strict really-word) "Return the word at or near point, as a string. The return value includes no text properties. -- 2.43.0 --=-=-=--
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