Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>
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Full text available.Received: (at 69734) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Mar 2024 11:44:53 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Mar 15 07:44:53 2024 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52199 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1rl5zY-0001A4-Sa for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Mar 2024 07:44:53 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:43704) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1rl5zW-00019n-TQ; Fri, 15 Mar 2024 07:44:51 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1rl5yq-0004xw-U5; Fri, 15 Mar 2024 07:44:08 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=uXwgMpRrbKgYaq8pw/SgEhwL4rXHtht7K9ig+DfVsJI=; b=ljeRiokxs6Ze Q2eOT6uoxiepxu8F2y3+MnfJFLfgmge5KuVOIcv08zKBk7qpodfvbhuVSUfw0fPD75Se8vT9+YadD Ceyg6BNf4RA9VIKlMbXeZcQAiaV30G4jeNiBF+uHmttkx5GBnhbupN94fsgTkkJDG/GnLdZLbMF25 EwH1ypCfpRjy6oNozECeLBSOa5M/xDVk+i848Hbo4h//Pgl4SZR3X2ZQCcW8hUOzdmJLlH2FU2Nrx RXbBRrTedhSwRA0MAhruVEMK9gC+Rtzi5UgFE61PhKqwA0uieO3gFm12MaVSC2Q8H6URWa5rdZwkh UizYSi59RjetFH3leOSriw==; Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2024 13:44:04 +0200 Message-Id: <86jzm390u3.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Mikael Larsson <mikael.x.larsson@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <CAKVZV+CPKFS7bO3V_+OWkPyiLojBiDm1hEeA7EtrKH-T+ZUDeg@HIDDEN> (message from Mikael Larsson on Fri, 15 Mar 2024 11:49:26 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#69734: BUG: Inconsistent Emacs documentation... References: <CAKVZV+B9XUui=Lcu6-Fvf07Kszu8sdgvy4fX0qz39m+5qXMjTQ@HIDDEN> <86zfv4u3b8.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAKVZV+CPKFS7bO3V_+OWkPyiLojBiDm1hEeA7EtrKH-T+ZUDeg@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 69734 Cc: 69734 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) severity 69734 wishlist thanks Resending Mikael's response, which was sent only to me: > From: Mikael Larsson <mikael.x.larsson@HIDDEN> > Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2024 11:49:26 +0100 > > Hi Eli, > > Thank you for your reply! > A few comments on your answer: > Please consider making two PDFs available on the download page. The current one that is a copy of the > printed version and a new one with the full documentation. It's most convenient to have the full documentation > in PDF, making full search easy. This will also offload searches on your website as well. > > Kind regards and have a nice weekend, > Mikael Larsson Thank you for your comments. For now, we don't have the resources to produce two versions if each PDF manual, but maybe one day in the future. I've now converted this bug report to a feature request.
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Full text available.Received: (at 69734) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Mar 2024 16:44:25 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Mar 11 12:44:25 2024 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41135 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1rjilE-0006ir-Tw for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Mar 2024 12:44:25 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:53732) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1rjilC-0006ie-SB for 69734 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Mar 2024 12:44:23 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1rjikZ-0003eS-JT; Mon, 11 Mar 2024 12:43:43 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=jSvIl+9RoDiLcE6Acjo/hHHjqy+yAm4O6r8Cz8bMfbY=; b=NaDjYvANJuZX AbYfnPeZVQcBgxdwEcGG+RBIfmT5QJZHJQzv59wQ8x9xXVpgE5rLGrNqiDzq7YSxLZ46pKSWhn8R3 Sru8SG5sTzfD7yDulDK96QnlMN/izZwk0aIaB7aKJzlX6gIpfPv7YTefCKxHBeLBk4fvLLrcCqziN M8v5ZxtlfjwDJcTwUwY1HdtJvv43/5sMBLZ9YINEGxKMAybObmAfd+bcejBcX3fy1XdSOtToPrK7A 5shd863zf6WnPrCa+bheFV4oqauWp2JE0aNEipyrxn1djg1uc6EZt6VeeOL2DpLtUstVInwS2JxFw wLHb5PPaRo7oX+vCLJR2QA==; Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2024 18:43:39 +0200 Message-Id: <86zfv4u3b8.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Mikael Larsson <mikael.x.larsson@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <CAKVZV+B9XUui=Lcu6-Fvf07Kszu8sdgvy4fX0qz39m+5qXMjTQ@HIDDEN> (message from Mikael Larsson on Mon, 11 Mar 2024 14:34:35 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#69734: BUG: Inconsistent Emacs documentation... References: <CAKVZV+B9XUui=Lcu6-Fvf07Kszu8sdgvy4fX0qz39m+5qXMjTQ@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 69734 Cc: 69734 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Mikael Larsson <mikael.x.larsson@HIDDEN> > Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2024 14:34:35 +0100 > > I just downloaded the documentation for Emacs 29.2 as a pdf file. Comparing this to the version online I can > see that the content is not the same. At least one of the versions is faulty or out of date. I'm referring to links > on the following page: > https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/emacs.html > > Looking at "HTML - one page per node" I can see that chapter 15.22 is "Line Truncation". If I look at the pdf > version "Main PDF file", that chapter is 11.22. The pdf document is labeled as consistent with version 29.2 on > page T-3. I assume this is just an issue with generating the pdf version. > Thanks in advance for your help. This is normal: the printed version of the manual omits some of the material, to make the printed book smaller and less expensive. You are well advised to use an on-line version, either HTML or the Info version (the latter is part of a standard Emacs installation). > Q: How can I get the full output of the macro expansion below? I assume it's some variable that needs > tweaking, but I can't find it in the manual. Thank you. I think you are looking for the answer in the wrong manual. You should look in the ELisp Reference manual, there's a section there named "Expansion of a Macro Call".
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To: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000ec2cd70613629a93" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::1035; envelope-from=mikael.x.larsson@HIDDEN; helo=mail-pj1-x1035.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 11 Mar 2024 11:01:46 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) --000000000000ec2cd70613629a93 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To Whom It May Concern, I just downloaded the documentation for Emacs 29.2 as a pdf file. Comparing this to the version online I can see that the content is not the same. At least one of the versions is faulty or out of date. I'm referring to links on the following page: https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/emacs.html Looking at "HTML - one page per node" I can see that chapter 15.22 is "Line Truncation". If I look at the pdf version "Main PDF file", that chapter is 11.22. The pdf document is labeled as consistent with version 29.2 on page T-3. I assume this is just an issue with generating the pdf version. Thanks in advance for your help. Best regards, Mikael Larsson Buried in 3 feet of snow in the north of Sweden and struggling with elisp...=F0=9F=A5=BA *Q*: How can I get the full output of the macro expansion below? I assume it's some variable that needs tweaking, but I can't find it in the manual. Thank you. (macroexpand-1 '(cl-defstruct queue head tail)) (progn (defvar cl-struct-queue-tags) (cl-defsubst queue-p (cl-x) (declare (side-effect-free error-free) (pure t)) (and (memq ... cl-struct-queue-tags) t)) (eval-and-compile (define-symbol-prop 'queue 'cl-deftype-satisfies 'queue-p)) (cl-defsubst queue-head (cl-x) "Access slot \"head\" of `queue' struct CL-X." (declare (side-effect-free t)) (progn (or ... ...) (aref cl-x 1))) (cl-defsubst queue-tail (cl-x) "Access slot \"tail\" of `queue' struct CL-X." (declare (side-effect-free t)) (progn (or ... ...) (aref cl-x 2))) (defalias 'copy-queue #'copy-sequence) (cl-defsubst make-queue (&cl-defs (nil ... ... ...) &key head tail) "Constructor for objects of type `queue'." (declare (side-effect-free t)) (record 'queue head tail)) :autoload-end (eval-and-compile (cl-struct-define 'queue nil 'cl-structure-object 'record nil '(... ... ...) 'cl-struct-queue-tags 'queue 't)) 'queue) --000000000000ec2cd70613629a93 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div><span style=3D"font-weight:400">To Whom It May Concern,</span></div><d= iv><span style=3D"font-weight:400"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"fon= t-weight:400">I just downloaded the documentation for Emacs 29.2 as a pdf f= ile. Comparing this to the version online I can see that the content is not= the same. At least one of the versions is faulty or out of date. I'm r= eferring to links on the following page:</span></div><div><a href=3D"https:= //www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/emacs.html">https://www.gnu.org/softwar= e/emacs/manual/emacs.html</a></div><div><br></div><div>Looking at "HTM= L - one page per node" I can see that chapter 15.22 is "Line Trun= cation". If I look at the pdf version "Main PDF file", that = chapter is 11.22. The pdf document is labeled as consistent with version 29= .2 on page T-3. <span style=3D"font-weight:400">I assume this is just an is= sue with generating the pdf version. <br></span></div><div><span style=3D"f= ont-weight:400">Thanks in advance for your help.</span></div><div><span sty= le=3D"font-weight:400"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"font-weight:400= ">Best regards,</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-weight:400">Mikael Lar= sson</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-weight:400">Buried in 3 feet of s= now in the north of Sweden and struggling with elisp...=F0=9F=A5=BA<br></sp= an></div><div><span style=3D"font-weight:400"><br></span></div><div><span s= tyle=3D"font-weight:400"><b>Q</b>: How can I get the full output of the mac= ro expansion below? I assume it's some variable that needs tweaking, bu= t I can't find it in the manual. Thank you.<br></span></div><div><br>(m= acroexpand-1 '(cl-defstruct queue head tail))<br>(progn (defvar cl-stru= ct-queue-tags) (cl-defsubst queue-p (cl-x) (declare (side-effect-free error= -free) (pure t)) (and (memq ... cl-struct-queue-tags) t)) (eval-and-compile= (define-symbol-prop 'queue 'cl-deftype-satisfies 'queue-p)) (c= l-defsubst queue-head (cl-x) "Access slot \"head\" of `queue= ' struct CL-X." (declare (side-effect-free t)) (progn (or ... ...)= (aref cl-x 1))) (cl-defsubst queue-tail (cl-x) "Access slot \"ta= il\" of `queue' struct CL-X." (declare (side-effect-free t)) = (progn (or ... ...) (aref cl-x 2))) (defalias 'copy-queue #'copy-se= quence) (cl-defsubst make-queue (&cl-defs (nil ... ... ...) &key he= ad tail) "Constructor for objects of type `queue'." (declare = (side-effect-free t)) (record 'queue head tail)) :autoload-end (eval-an= d-compile (cl-struct-define 'queue nil 'cl-structure-object 're= cord nil '(... ... ...) 'cl-struct-queue-tags 'queue 't)) &= #39;queue)<span style=3D"font-weight:400"><br></span></div><div><span style= =3D"font-weight:400"><br></span></div> </div> --000000000000ec2cd70613629a93--
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