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Subject: Re: bug#69997: Should =?utf-8?Q?=E2=80=98guix?= import
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Hi,
Tanguy LE CARROUR <tanguy@HIDDEN> skribis:
> Quoting Ludovic Court=C3=A8s (2024-03-26 17:04:52)
[...]
>> But then I mean, we could offer, say, =E2=80=98guix import upstream http=
s://=E2=80=A6=E2=80=99,
>> and that thing could parse =E2=80=98setup.py=E2=80=99 or similar to prod=
uce a package
>> definition from that.
>
> I=E2=80=99m not against a good-old-generic-solution=C2=AE, but this one m=
ight be
> a bit=E2=80=A6 too generic. It contains no mention to Python, so the next=
logical step
> would be `guix import URL`. Not that I would not like it, though! =F0=9F=
=98=81
Well, this has been on my mind for a long time. Such a tool could
provide at least a useful package skeleton even for software using CMake
or Autotools.
> So I would say=E2=80=A6 let=E2=80=99s wait and see what the others think.=
In the
> meantime, I=E2=80=99ll have to dive deeper in the PEP and the actual impo=
rter
> code.
Looks like consensus among you Pythonistas has yet to be reached
regarding whether =E2=80=98pyproject.toml=E2=80=99 data would be a useful a=
ddition. :-)
We=E2=80=99ll see!
Ludo=E2=80=99.
PS: I hear more and more long-time Python developers dismayed by the sad
state of packaging and code evolution in Python. In Guile land, we
say: refugees welcome! Come discover a great language and a great
community (together with their own set of problems).
bug-guix@HIDDEN:bug#69997; Package guix.
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From: Tanguy LE CARROUR <tanguy@HIDDEN> To: Ludovic =?utf-8?q?Court=C3=A8s?= <ludovic.courtes@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <171147212395.13452.3553266600176809571@HIDDEN> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2024 18:14:10 +0100 Message-ID: <171147325018.15415.4526491903307851998@HIDDEN> User-Agent: alot/0.10 X-Infomaniak-Routing: alpha X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 69997 Cc: Sharlatan Hellseher <sharlatanus@HIDDEN>, Munyoki Kilyungi <me@HIDDEN>, Lars-Dominik Braun <lars@HIDDEN>, jgart <jgart@HIDDEN>, Marius Bakke <marius@HIDDEN>, 69997 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Hi, Quoting Tanguy LE CARROUR (2024-03-26 17:55:23) > Quoting Ludovic Court=C3=A8s (2024-03-26 17:04:52) > > Tanguy LE CARROUR <tanguy@HIDDEN> skribis: > > > So, my answer would be: do not import from PyPI! Yes, I know, it=E2= =80=99s radical! =F0=9F=98=85 > > > But if you have to, rely on the wheel=E2=80=99s `METADATA` file. > > > > > > I hope this make sense. =E2=80=A6 I=E2=80=99m not really sure any mor= e! =F0=9F=98=85 > >=20 > > It does! > >=20 > > But then I mean, we could offer, say, =E2=80=98guix import upstream htt= ps://=E2=80=A6=E2=80=99, > > and that thing could parse =E2=80=98setup.py=E2=80=99 or similar to pro= duce a package > > definition from that. > [=E2=80=A6] > So I would say=E2=80=A6 let=E2=80=99s wait and see what the others think.= In the > meantime, I=E2=80=99ll have to dive deeper in the PEP and the actual impo= rter > code. According to PEP 427 [1] a.k.a. Binary distribution format [2], if you go for packaged/PyPI then we should go for `METADATA`. [1]: https://peps.python.org/pep-0427/ [2]: https://packaging.python.org/en/latest/specifications/binary-distribut= ion-format/#the-dist-info-directory But, as stated earlier, we should build from source, to make sure we can run the test suite. Active projects should slowly migrate to PEP 517 [3] `pyproject.toml`. But, this is not a solution! =F0=9F=98=B1 This is actuall= y yet another problem! =F0=9F=98=B5 [3]: https://peps.python.org/pep-0517/ Each build system relies on it=E2=80=99s own file organization. For instanc= e, Poetry looks for a `[tool.poetry.dependencies]` section in the file. So the importer should be "build system aware", which leads us to=E2=80=A6 `guix i= mport poetry URL`!? Not really generic any more! =F0=9F=98=9E I guess we should sleep on it=E2=80=A6 --=20 Tanguy
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In-Reply-To: <171143965734.4362.8405481724513962855@HIDDEN> (Tanguy LE CARROUR's message of "Tue, 26 Mar 2024 08:54:17 +0100") References: <877chqtvsk.fsf@HIDDEN> <171143965734.4362.8405481724513962855@HIDDEN> X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: Septidi 7 Germinal an 232 de la =?utf-8?Q?R=C3=A9vol?= =?utf-8?Q?ution=2C?= jour du Bouleau X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x090B11993D9AEBB5 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3CE4 6455 8A84 FDC6 9DB4 0CFB 090B 1199 3D9A EBB5 X-OS: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2024 17:04:52 +0100 Message-ID: <87o7b1ou6z.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 69997 Cc: Sharlatan Hellseher <sharlatanus@HIDDEN>, Munyoki Kilyungi <me@HIDDEN>, Lars-Dominik Braun <lars@HIDDEN>, jgart <jgart@HIDDEN>, Marius Bakke <marius@HIDDEN>, 69997 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Hello! Tanguy LE CARROUR <tanguy@HIDDEN> skribis: > I=E2=80=99m pretty sure you know everything that I=E2=80=99m about to wri= te, but better > say it out loud=E2=80=A6 Nope, I know nothing (I=E2=80=99ve just been told about using =E2=80=98pypr= oject.toml=E2=80=99 and it seemed to kinda make sense. :-)) > For a "standard modern" project managed with Poetry, the Python source > package contains `PKG-INFO` and `pyproject.toml ` that both contain > the run time dependencies. The wheel package only contains `METADATA` that > lists the dependencies. The source only contains a `pyproject.toml`. > To make the installed package as small as possible, tests files and > uncompiled assets are not (should not be) included. > From a Guix stand point, it=E2=80=99s better to build from source to be a= ble to > run the test suite. > > For the `python-pypugjs` you used as an example, we build from source, > so I guess the question does not arise. If we were to use the packages > available on PyPI, what I said above is *NOT* confirmed =F0=9F=98=B1: > - wheel (`.whl`) only contains `METADATA` with the dependencies; **BUT** > - source (`.tar.gz`) contains `PKG-INFO` (without dependency information), > `pyproject.toml` (with dep=E2=80=99) and `setup.py` (also with dep=E2= =80=99). > > =E2=80=A6 "fun" fact, the information in `pyproject.toml` are **NOT** the= same as > the one in `setup.py`!? =F0=9F=A4=AF `pyproject.toml` says that `nose` is= a run time > dependency (which it is not), but `setup.py` properly lists it in `tests_= require`. Oh my, such a mess. > So, my answer would be: do not import from PyPI! Yes, I know, it=E2=80=99= s radical! =F0=9F=98=85 > But if you have to, rely on the wheel=E2=80=99s `METADATA` file. > > I hope this make sense. =E2=80=A6 I=E2=80=99m not really sure any more! = =F0=9F=98=85 It does! But then I mean, we could offer, say, =E2=80=98guix import upstream https:/= /=E2=80=A6=E2=80=99, and that thing could parse =E2=80=98setup.py=E2=80=99 or similar to produce= a package definition from that. Maybe that=E2=80=99s what you had in mind: import straight from upstream rather than via PyPI? Thanks, Ludo=E2=80=99.
bug-guix@HIDDEN:bug#69997; Package guix.
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From: Tanguy LE CARROUR <tanguy@HIDDEN> To: 69997 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Ludovic =?utf-8?q?Court=C3=A8s?= <ludovic.courtes@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <877chqtvsk.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2024 08:54:17 +0100 Message-ID: <171143965734.4362.8405481724513962855@HIDDEN> User-Agent: alot/0.10 X-Infomaniak-Routing: alpha X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 69997 Cc: Munyoki Kilyungi <me@HIDDEN>, Sharlatan Hellseher <sharlatanus@HIDDEN>, Lars-Dominik Braun <lars@HIDDEN>, jgart <jgart@HIDDEN>, Marius Bakke <marius@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Hi Ludo=E2=80=99, Quoting Ludovic Court=C3=A8s (2024-03-25 12:06:51) > Should =E2=80=98guix import pypi=E2=80=99 attempt to get dependency infor= mation from > =E2=80=98pyproject.toml=E2=80=99, in addition to =E2=80=98requirements.tx= t=E2=80=99 and wheel =E2=80=98METADATA=E2=80=99 > as it already does? >=20 > It might be more complicated than we=E2=80=99d like: in some cases, that = file > seems to be used as a =E2=80=9Ctrampoline=E2=80=9D to Poetry. For instan= ce, in > python-pypugjs, the =E2=80=98requires=E2=80=99 bit delegates everything t= o Poetry: Short answer: no! =F0=9F=98=81 I=E2=80=99m pretty sure you know everything that I=E2=80=99m about to write= , but better say it out loud=E2=80=A6 For a "standard modern" project managed with Poetry, the Python source package contains `PKG-INFO` and `pyproject.toml ` that both contain the run time dependencies. The wheel package only contains `METADATA` that lists the dependencies. The source only contains a `pyproject.toml`. To make the installed package as small as possible, tests files and uncompiled assets are not (should not be) included. From a Guix stand point, it=E2=80=99s better to build from source to be abl= e to run the test suite. For the `python-pypugjs` you used as an example, we build from source, so I guess the question does not arise. If we were to use the packages available on PyPI, what I said above is *NOT* confirmed =F0=9F=98=B1: - wheel (`.whl`) only contains `METADATA` with the dependencies; **BUT** - source (`.tar.gz`) contains `PKG-INFO` (without dependency information), `pyproject.toml` (with dep=E2=80=99) and `setup.py` (also with dep=E2=80= =99). =E2=80=A6 "fun" fact, the information in `pyproject.toml` are **NOT** the s= ame as the one in `setup.py`!? =F0=9F=A4=AF `pyproject.toml` says that `nose` is a= run time dependency (which it is not), but `setup.py` properly lists it in `tests_re= quire`. So, my answer would be: do not import from PyPI! Yes, I know, it=E2=80=99s = radical! =F0=9F=98=85 But if you have to, rely on the wheel=E2=80=99s `METADATA` file. I hope this make sense. =E2=80=A6 I=E2=80=99m not really sure any more! =F0= =9F=98=85 Regards, --=20 Tanguy
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Hello Python team!
Should =E2=80=98guix import pypi=E2=80=99 attempt to get dependency informa=
tion from
=E2=80=98pyproject.toml=E2=80=99, in addition to =E2=80=98requirements.txt=
=E2=80=99 and wheel =E2=80=98METADATA=E2=80=99
as it already does?
It might be more complicated than we=E2=80=99d like: in some cases, that fi=
le
seems to be used as a =E2=80=9Ctrampoline=E2=80=9D to Poetry. For instance=
, in
python-pypugjs, the =E2=80=98requires=E2=80=99 bit delegates everything to =
Poetry:
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
[tool.poetry]
name =3D "pypugjs"
version =3D "5.9.4"
description =3D ""
authors =3D ["Andy Grabow <andy@HIDDEN>"]
license =3D "MIT"
[tool.poetry.dependencies]
python =3D "^3.8"
Jinja2 =3D "^3.1.1"
Mako =3D "^1.1.3"
tornado =3D "^6.0.4"
six =3D "^1.15.0"
coverage =3D "^6.3.2"
nose =3D "^1.3.7"
Flask =3D "^2.1.1"
charset-normalizer =3D "^2.1.0"
flake8 =3D "^4.0.1"
[tool.poetry.dev-dependencies]
[build-system]
requires =3D ["poetry-core>=3D1.0.0"]
build-backend =3D "poetry.core.masonry.api"
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
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