Received: (at 70272) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Mar 2025 02:52:59 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 28 21:52:59 2025 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56634 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1toCyJ-0007Pg-8m for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 28 Feb 2025 21:52:59 -0500 Received: from mail-ed1-x531.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::531]:52664) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <stefankangas@HIDDEN>) id 1toCyH-0007Ot-8s for 70272 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 28 Feb 2025 21:52:58 -0500 Received: by mail-ed1-x531.google.com with SMTP id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-5ded6c31344so3437915a12.1 for <70272 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 28 Feb 2025 18:52:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1740797571; x=1741402371; darn=debbugs.gnu.org; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date :mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=jR/N/eO+JEdmxU0b/YNVEH3HyyKiW6l3JTPkYQUqs8g=; b=SNymKrZ77CO+19KlQJlSs7QSQzpbzZ+VlYe56rlKXPaIgVAJR1aTVJLZL2CLrpZzJK E2Abng3piAGOLk0OLYPmsoRBfd+P4kFQ7LibzL16oHLmNNR+l4y37b/pp9mcFHV/vpD+ w3P+31CMCV/9+k8p1NEGbUI3hrqCtvc7SYmX4j2Tp1ubOjZS8S95fh7L79Zh+7LwAtwZ 3Z+ZRGtNShqjQVlwaeGJgtposBsSFnJx7f5FZbG8aIzPEsKlfBDb+vipZ2K8IPog1inx EUeb4aG60M1uN6Cr2/7HVZdslyP7UDlWBpyzM2MOcBM7AJjkR0wprHi59gouUKazB8PX zx2w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1740797571; x=1741402371; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date :mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:x-gm-message-state:from:to :cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=jR/N/eO+JEdmxU0b/YNVEH3HyyKiW6l3JTPkYQUqs8g=; b=aM+1n61dYwKv9UwJ9k4M8zLUheaKxTs/9KJM93ICRGk5SvB45V6vpkRBHlHaS4Jk0J 4obIHaZFciREZJQ4AXfBWTE19fSKExe9WBGy5qzBmTNgW1EjwERKfdIpxgHi8pfxhI91 mR34VbTfN3Um2KPBM/0c7J756tPHsY8FQVVkRS2rLOXvu0sm4vPch6NklT5njvu1LQgw FKD23ZMK7pvl/SYTxSzT1HqZr5HUhhk7RXPu+NgxjdREv9T9AXjVXD/22gDXBGjzlTdm AGoBn5NCmg9qcL+Xb9wTgzcdDesx9GaM8thS4nW2XGJAZ/kUf5+/UChUObfIQ0eYmt2H KguA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YzMnmK1n481kPVeRik2JklVUkLwCvcXHtuR1O6AksPethHuocUO 0D0wH8Tqv816YR8GWQxWqs+S2ONlbFMqFujKYcCnuOKT5xyoMENktS7we5uuJV7uri8IXdVPC8n DGETtwgqeXHWACNfkIKKHuvj/pwWgeissy9o= X-Gm-Gg: ASbGncuIOQ0MNEDSZ2dggYhwIUXLjGq9H4ePsUUc9gpwI1UasDQSjatNtH0O4K7wf39 QpJc21IDgFLJuaPLv2WIQW+9qL1GBmbhF+Lc1dCImDz3sECbD+vcdgyeDybWtAh2HjPcCTF4Utf /ADuh0SmHnRGlk4r4Bqv03QDbJWgs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IExcToJsxJ65okUpYkJiH7zdKNZNwPrrxjGhkR65AQzJtHwJB/sAtRC34hWbnM/mF6/Wo+AQBNN2k+v8Ptrhp0= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6402:40cf:b0:5e4:d220:3333 with SMTP id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-5e4d6ac4a4dmr12215448a12.1.1740797570990; Fri, 28 Feb 2025 18:52:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Fri, 28 Feb 2025 18:52:35 -0800 From: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <DBAE3734-BFEF-454E-B019-0B0617F0E60E@HIDDEN> References: <DBAE3734-BFEF-454E-B019-0B0617F0E60E@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2025 18:52:35 -0800 X-Gm-Features: AQ5f1JppWMviVs23_DLADiQnvzhOTZxDSDImhEsEpe9QVKFdT0oi61S4ygU7zi8 Message-ID: <CADwFkmkheRqqVqOCGXyr4s69VT9d1rtB=54g6CEFOF7WhYNOcQ@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#70272: 30.0.50; Refactor c-ts-mode To: Yuan Fu <casouri@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 70272 Cc: eliz@HIDDEN, 70272 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Yuan Fu <casouri@HIDDEN> writes: > X-Debbugs-CC: eliz@HIDDEN <mailto:eliz@HIDDEN> > > Eli, I=E2=80=99m finding c-ts-mode to get uglier and heavier in an unfort= unate rate. Of > course, I=E2=80=99m basically the defector maintainer now and the main pe= rson to blame > for much of the complexity. We needed to add a lot of code and even hacks= to > make c-ts-mode work for complex C code. > > A complicated and sometimes hacky c-ts-mode.el is bad for maintainability= , and > sometimes make c-ts-mode slow and unpleasant to use. More over, I feel th= at some > people will look at c-ts-mode when looking for an example for writing a > tree-sitter major mode. And c-ts-mode in its current state is not very su= itable > as an example. > > Since a lot of the complexity are only needed by complex C code. I wonder= if we > can separate c-ts-mode.el into a simpler version that works for =E2=80=9C= modern=E2=80=9D C and > C++, plus an extra file that contains the additional things that makes it= work > for complex C code? I'm also lacking some detail here: what exactly is considered "complex C code"? Why is it better if we move things to a separate mode? We still have to maintain it, right? If we want to make any such changes, I think the idea should be discussed on emacs-devel.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#70272; Package emacs.
Full text available.Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN>
to control <at> debbugs.gnu.org.
Full text available.Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Apr 2024 07:18:25 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Apr 08 03:18:25 2024 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45196 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1rtjGq-0006bS-Kn for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 08 Apr 2024 03:18:25 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:470:142::17]:37536) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <casouri@HIDDEN>) id 1rtjGo-0006bE-Oc for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 08 Apr 2024 03:18:23 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <casouri@HIDDEN>) id 1rtjGb-0001KL-OS for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Mon, 08 Apr 2024 03:18:09 -0400 Received: from mail-pl1-x631.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::631]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <casouri@HIDDEN>) id 1rtjGa-0007iI-6L for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Mon, 08 Apr 2024 03:18:09 -0400 Received: by mail-pl1-x631.google.com with SMTP id d9443c01a7336-1e4266673bbso5089835ad.2 for <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>; Mon, 08 Apr 2024 00:18:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1712560686; x=1713165486; darn=gnu.org; h=to:date:message-id:subject:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :from:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=ZNM2g8pEoWpr/d0PKM+xnM66JMPA7U789sv78v3i0ww=; b=jRV+b3hgCvC+fnqe7dXlu1mL7dA+UD4MNMoelf0mkbxMnqMfOKCTHqb0qZt04ibKWP 9jKoDOW9PyPo2UqFFlsKaNK3C7K1zjNfqVDEcpyHXqvc8cok7xA2kB48ChCxGqi6EEaO IdSNfoJA0xQQ9iZmLxn/ULcfsJKq1gsY1ptSvbEcAm6ymLt5gtfJzCSQSm6oAFP8fnOU 4a+9yED+XeM098P54WamZbSWKl+Nv2tZ/CCtjzmmkMlXlt5CxzZ02rlX0QBXXYUlJXrJ E8KscFObhxrNcYZCw6My6KuaB45eu+r7ZpZgRf7HoHq2le1z3yE11nHeC8zpx2EI3vSM RLOw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1712560686; x=1713165486; h=to:date:message-id:subject:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :from:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=ZNM2g8pEoWpr/d0PKM+xnM66JMPA7U789sv78v3i0ww=; b=NdfIZTTGKZJMo/cyBkC+p2oDfPnz76AgZlLroOMmoQXH+hALy1+wg0ee3WyDYFZfNK sBGl/FlzMcGxyZ9La52L+tkoAWax2eeYvwGCCQSugpyLjJsmxnb4lwBqc1yiV+PeR1Zn Or032O+30dQ4EHA7YjOSZtUO8g3YRV+jjlWIu4IHJwG1siurSsm86d61MyEa3K0ilkYT eE7dH+08tEFUN7ycBiU/ORSwiVJTr+5vbAdM4dY9uklj8PoDhZfDCe9hK7xpbAjYogu0 UzJC97sZlsryWfJltmXoN5/KfzA6wMpNhW+iOnhxbTXYXpSNk7BiQCjJlQhm4AAGe/gL h/Bw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YzX2ndgcow2wpC0puUWzKD/yWLIsI5zuvtNrfQza+/wFhtQoNmV 16iQPI7phdev+OZEE19cmBch1e6g1T5JJzBEL4DActkjdNf/Vo/qpJ/lH/FY X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEAhRU8KJ/SyesdQdZcyH60bui4BBt3xrfAD4P1vRGfazvBzZgvOPw+P5FsVAqQ4kT3G00TWQ== X-Received: by 2002:a17:903:110c:b0:1e2:7e04:3ab1 with SMTP id n12-20020a170903110c00b001e27e043ab1mr8195859plh.33.1712560686125; Mon, 08 Apr 2024 00:18:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpclient.apple ([2601:641:300:4910:6c00:57e9:a6fc:238b]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c5-20020a170902c1c500b001e2a4663179sm6212106plc.258.2024.04.08.00.18.05 for <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN> (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 08 Apr 2024 00:18:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Yuan Fu <casouri@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3731.700.6\)) Subject: 30.0.50; Refactor c-ts-mode Message-Id: <DBAE3734-BFEF-454E-B019-0B0617F0E60E@HIDDEN> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2024 00:17:54 -0700 To: Bug Report Emacs <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.700.6) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::631; envelope-from=casouri@HIDDEN; helo=mail-pl1-x631.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-CC: eliz@HIDDEN <mailto:eliz@HIDDEN> Eli, I=E2=80=99m finding c-ts-mode to get uglier and heavier in an = unfortunate rate. Of course, I=E2=80=99m basically the defector = maintainer now and the main person to blame for much of the complexity. = We needed to add a lot of code and even hacks to make c-ts-mode work for = complex C code. A complicated and sometimes hacky c-ts-mode.el is bad for = maintainability, and sometimes make c-ts-mode slow and unpleasant to = use. More over, I feel that some people will look at c-ts-mode when = looking for an example for writing a tree-sitter major mode. And = c-ts-mode in its current state is not very suitable as an example. Since a lot of the complexity are only needed by complex C code. I = wonder if we can separate c-ts-mode.el into a simpler version that works = for =E2=80=9Cmodern=E2=80=9D C and C++, plus an extra file that contains = the additional things that makes it work for complex C code? Yuan
Yuan Fu <casouri@HIDDEN>:mailto:eliz@HIDDEN, bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN.
Full text available.mailto:eliz@HIDDEN, bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#70272; Package emacs.
Full text available.
GNU bug tracking system
Copyright (C) 1999 Darren O. Benham,
1997 nCipher Corporation Ltd,
1994-97 Ian Jackson.