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No Wayman <iarchivedmywholelife@HIDDEN> writes:
> PK> When a commit modifies the Version header in the main file, then
> the PK> state of that commit is used to trigger a new release, both
> for core and PK> otherwise.
>
> Where is this documented?
In the ELPA README[0]:
This cron job only creates a new package when the "version" (as
specified in the =Version:= header) of a package is modified. This
means that you can safely work on the next version here without
worrying about the unstable code making it to GNU ELPA, and simply
update the =Version:= when you want to release the new code.
[0] https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/elpa.git/plain/README
> JP> I believe the reason that Eglot's release date is March 31 is
> because that's the JP> day that ELPA itself was updated to include
> Atom feeds for package updates, JP> which re-published all the
> existing packages. See here: JP>
> <https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2024-03/msg00777.html>.
>
> PK> There were issues related to some recent changes that re-build the
> PK> package tarballs, but the content should have been the same. But
> that PK> was a mistake, and not something that should happen on a
> regular basis.
>
> Thanks to both of you for the clarification.
>
> This still begs the question of why the publication date is listed
> rather than the commit date for the tarball.
AFAIK this has historical reasons, that might relate to the old
implementation of the ELPA build server. It should be possible to
change this now, that all packages have git repositories.
> Imagine if when searching for a film on IMDB the results presented the
> date the IMDB page was last updated rather than the year the film was
> released. e.g. "Ghostbusters (2024-04-15)" for the 1984 film. Not a
> perfect analogy, but it makes the point:
> The tarball publishing date, if displayed at all, should be secondary to the commit date.
I get what you mean, the point is that using the tarball date was just an
easy internal hack to avoid having to re-determine the commit date.
Setting aside issues like those mentioned above, it works well enough.
--
Philip Kaludercic on peregrine
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#70647; Package emacs.
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In-Reply-To: <87mspcmj1g.fsf@HIDDEN> (No Wayman's message of "Mon, 29 Apr 2024 08:48:27 -0400") References: <87mspcmj1g.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: mu4e 1.12.4; emacs 30.0.50 Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2024 10:39:38 -0400 Message-ID: <871q6map91.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::72b; envelope-from=iarchivedmywholelife@HIDDEN; helo=mail-qk1-x72b.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: Jim Porter <jporterbugs@HIDDEN>, Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) PK> When a commit modifies the Version header in the main file, then the PK> state of that commit is used to trigger a new release, both for core and PK> otherwise. Where is this documented? JP> I believe the reason that Eglot's release date is March 31 is because that's the JP> day that ELPA itself was updated to include Atom feeds for package updates, JP> which re-published all the existing packages. See here: JP> <https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2024-03/msg00777.html>. PK> There were issues related to some recent changes that re-build the PK> package tarballs, but the content should have been the same. But that PK> was a mistake, and not something that should happen on a regular basis. Thanks to both of you for the clarification. This still begs the question of why the publication date is listed rather than the commit date for the tarball. Imagine if when searching for a film on IMDB the results presented the date the IMDB page was last updated rather than the year the film was released. e.g. "Ghostbusters (2024-04-15)" for the 1984 film. Not a perfect analogy, but it makes the point: The tarball publishing date, if displayed at all, should be secondary to the commit date.
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Content-Language: en-US To: No Wayman <iarchivedmywholelife@HIDDEN>, 70647 <at> debbugs.gnu.org References: <87mspcmj1g.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Jim Porter <jporterbugs@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87mspcmj1g.fsf@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 70647 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On 4/29/2024 5:48 AM, No Wayman wrote: > As I understand it, GNU ELPA releases packages when a commit changes the > Version package header. GNU-devel ELPA is a rolling release. How about > "core" packages? For example, the eglot version bundled with Emacs 29.3 > is at Version 1.12.xx. The latest version on GNU ELPA is 1.17, released > on 3/31/2024, but git points to commit "b014bca833a" on 1/25/2024 as > responsible for bumping the version to 1.17. I believe the reason that Eglot's release date is March 31 is because that's the day that ELPA itself was updated to include Atom feeds for package updates, which re-published all the existing packages. See here: <https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2024-03/msg00777.html>.
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In-Reply-To: <86r0eoqlrn.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 29 Apr 2024 17:35:56 +0300") References: <87mspcmj1g.fsf@HIDDEN> <86wmogqper.fsf@HIDDEN> <87y18wxoll.fsf@HIDDEN> <86sez4qndc.fsf@HIDDEN> <87cyq8dz4h.fsf@HIDDEN> <86r0eoqlrn.fsf@HIDDEN> OpenPGP: id=7126E1DE2F0CE35C770BED01F2C3CC513DB89F66; url="https://keys.openpgp.org/vks/v1/by-fingerprint/7126E1DE2F0CE35C770BED01F2C3CC513DB89F66"; preference=signencrypt Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2024 17:55:55 +0000 Message-ID: <87y18wkq8k.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 70647 Cc: No Wayman <iarchivedmywholelife@HIDDEN>, 70647 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> From: No Wayman <iarchivedmywholelife@HIDDEN> >> Cc: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN> >> Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2024 10:25:50 -0400 >> >> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> >> > [Why private email?] >> >> Apologies. Must've fat-fingered my reply key binding. > > Looks like you did it again. Please use Reply All, to have the bug > tracker CC'ed. > > Resending to the bug tracker. > >> >> From: No Wayman <iarchivedmywholelife@HIDDEN> Date: Mon, 29 >> >> Apr 2024 09:52:54 -0400 Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> >> >> >> > Are there any differences in the code between version 1.17 on >> >> > ELPA and the Eglot code as of commit b014bca833a. >> >> I would hope not. Otherwise the version information is >> >> incorrect. >> > >> > Then why is this a problem? File time stamps are immaterial >> > with modern VCSes. >> >> The problem is it's confusing. >> When is the "release date" of eglot 1.17? >> The date of the commit which bumped the Version header? >> The date of some other action which triggered an ELPA build? >> If file timestamps are indeed immaterial, than it would make the >> most sense to stick with the commit date which bumped the Version >> header. >> That does not appear to be the case. >> >> >> > What would you like to be documented? >> >> - What triggers a package build/release on GNU ELPA in all >> >> cases >> >> (:core or otherwise)? >> > >> > Philip will tell, but I'm not surprised, given that this is a >> > volunteer project. When a commit modifies the Version header in the main file, then the state of that commit is used to trigger a new release, both for core and otherwise. >> >> - What triggers a package build/release on GNU-devel ELPA. >> > >> > What is "GNU-devel ELPA"? >> >> Forgive me if I misspoke, but: https://elpa.gnu.org/devel/ These are rebuilt on every commit. The intended audience IMO are developers here though, so that they can easily preview the state of packages. >> > <h1> GNU-devel ELPA Packages </h1> >> >> If that's not what it's called, then the website should be updated >> to reflect the preferred name. The name is fine. I am just guessing that it is not something that Eli has to deal with that often. >> > I don't even understand the problem you see here. >> >> I've seen other package maintainers confused about what/when a >> rebuild is triggered. I have reports on Elpaca's issue tracker >> where users are confused by the release dates listed on GNU ELPA's >> websites. I myself am not 100% sure I understand all cases that >> trigger builds. The issue is I could not find a place where this >> is all clearly documented. There were issues related to some recent changes that re-build the package tarballs, but the content should have been the same. But that was a mistake, and not something that should happen on a regular basis. -- Philip Kaludercic on peregrine
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Full text available.Received: (at 70647) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Apr 2024 13:17:51 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Apr 29 09:17:51 2024 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57226 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1s1QtD-0002T3-2E for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 29 Apr 2024 09:17:51 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:46024) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1s1Qt8-0002St-JI for 70647 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 29 Apr 2024 09:17:49 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1s1Qsj-000419-0b; Mon, 29 Apr 2024 09:17:21 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=dV/QV39wombG7jlkXC/qsdWCdlZRVyX7Dz5uB0CZimM=; b=lxkIzjJR5KJL 9VZlutjW/59mO3qP0V3tr76G2XHSVoggRgih0kHIzk/nnxViwaZW7C+WCiAwtEWRkbvpU6bZGfvMm CPqfH/1oON7lT430b6Rs0sriqrEPRCdiTKChmTaIyCHFQq0f+EK2Sawvt/lvTAQUpwohZC0rOhcLi wKapCCtjgP4XnT5A6Z/XuXEZ1CNQbTJTHIeWlflAaxw1QULqxZiujQDuudqzRuuUJYSA/4T0AqJdk NM611aHImWMjpuJuVoeC/2borm3GrGRx0yoYfw9JZoJ7PJP4OVSg9hY1GVbYvzDvOd0Ll1mSitIB0 hY/lt3kQWkJx24YKIoyH/w==; Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2024 16:17:16 +0300 Message-Id: <86wmogqper.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: No Wayman <iarchivedmywholelife@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87mspcmj1g.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from No Wayman on Mon, 29 Apr 2024 08:48:27 -0400) Subject: Re: bug#70647: 30.0.50; When are :core packages released to GNU ELPA? References: <87mspcmj1g.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 70647 Cc: 70647 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: No Wayman <iarchivedmywholelife@HIDDEN> > Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2024 08:48:27 -0400 > > > As I understand it, GNU ELPA releases packages when a commit > changes the Version package header. GNU-devel ELPA is a rolling > release. How about "core" packages? For example, the eglot version > bundled with Emacs 29.3 is at Version 1.12.xx. The latest version > on GNU ELPA is 1.17, released on 3/31/2024, but git points to > commit "b014bca833a" on 1/25/2024 as responsible for bumping the > version to 1.17. Are there any differences in the code between version 1.17 on ELPA and the Eglot code as of commit b014bca833a. > Is all of this documented somewhere? What would you like to be documented?
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User-Agent: mu4e 1.12.4; emacs 30.0.50 Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2024 08:48:27 -0400 Message-ID: <87mspcmj1g.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::f29; envelope-from=iarchivedmywholelife@HIDDEN; helo=mail-qv1-xf29.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) As I understand it, GNU ELPA releases packages when a commit changes the Version package header. GNU-devel ELPA is a rolling release. How about "core" packages? For example, the eglot version bundled with Emacs 29.3 is at Version 1.12.xx. The latest version on GNU ELPA is 1.17, released on 3/31/2024, but git points to commit "b014bca833a" on 1/25/2024 as responsible for bumping the version to 1.17. Is all of this documented somewhere?
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