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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 6af55a7b81baa4bbd8b43ab8db9a9279; Sat, 07 Sep 2024 09:34:45 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#71646: 29.3; pixel-scroll-precision-mode overrides paging behaviour even when pixel-scroll-precision-interpolate-page is off In-Reply-To: <86zfojyjhc.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 07 Sep 2024 11:07:59 +0300") References: <1EF9E019-2554-402F-8E9F-77AF2D9B4828@HIDDEN> <86iky1icc8.fsf@HIDDEN> <86ed8755r4.fsf@HIDDEN> <87jzhy3oda.fsf@HIDDEN> <868qxwe6za.fsf@HIDDEN> <FFBDC556-EE87-42B1-9B96-C5B70B599B2E@HIDDEN> <86y15csoxd.fsf@HIDDEN> <86ikvz4l0y.fsf@HIDDEN> <87frr3k14z.fsf@HIDDEN> <86ed6enwe0.fsf@HIDDEN> <868qwdcaec.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmnah-g=0ZQw110BHCLpoPw6B5+4UOYAAVxKCLBonCrbXQ@HIDDEN> <86o757acj1.fsf@HIDDEN> <87seujtwuk.fsf@HIDDEN> <86zfojyjhc.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2024 17:34:37 +0800 Message-ID: <87mskjremq.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.22645 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 2143 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 71646 Cc: mike@HIDDEN, stefankangas@HIDDEN, 71646 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> From: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> >> Cc: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN>, mike@HIDDEN, >> 71646 <at> debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2024 19:52:19 +0800 >>=20 >> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >>=20 >> >> From: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN> >> >> Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2024 02:48:57 -0700 >> >> Cc: mike@HIDDEN, 71646 <at> debbugs.gnu.org >> >>=20 >> >> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> >>=20 >> >> > Ping! Should I close this? >> >>=20 >> >> Shouldn't we rather fix the bug described by Mike? I.e. this: >> >>=20 >> >> > Setting `pixel-scroll-precision-interpolate-page=E2=80=99 is suppos= ed to >> >> > turn off the paging animation (which it does) however even when it= =E2=80=99s >> >> > off, <prior> and <next> invoke `cua-scroll-up=E2=80=99 & `cua-scrol= l-down=E2=80=99 >> >> > rather than allowing another keymap to handle it. >> > >> > I don't mind to fixing this, if possible, but (a) I don't think I >> > understand what is being suggested by the text you quote above, and >> > (b) given Po Lu's response, it doesn't seem like the proposed changes >> > will be accepted, or did I miss something? >>=20 >> My problem is that two years ago I stated quite clearly why it was >> inappropriate to engineer paging interpolation into p-s-p-m (in a >> Telegram group), to the deaf ears of the mob requesting it, but since it >> is only now that we have received a lone complaint, it's safe to >> conclude that most users are satisfied with its established behavior, >> which should at least give us pause before any decision to tamper with >> it some more, and which behavior, mind you, had already been revised >> once in response to user feedback before 29.1. The optimal solution is >> simply not to bind p-s-p-i-p in pixel-scroll-precision-mode, but users >> disagreed then, and now it's far too late to tamper with these bindings. > > So what to do with this bug? close as wontfix? leave open and hope > someone will find a solution? something else? I'd prefer to decide this question after Emacs 30 is released when I will enjoy more time to devote to Emacs.
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Should I close this? > >> > >> Shouldn't we rather fix the bug described by Mike? I.e. this: > >> > >> > Setting `pixel-scroll-precision-interpolate-page’ is supposed to > >> > turn off the paging animation (which it does) however even when it’s > >> > off, <prior> and <next> invoke `cua-scroll-up’ & `cua-scroll-down’ > >> > rather than allowing another keymap to handle it. > > > > I don't mind to fixing this, if possible, but (a) I don't think I > > understand what is being suggested by the text you quote above, and > > (b) given Po Lu's response, it doesn't seem like the proposed changes > > will be accepted, or did I miss something? > > My problem is that two years ago I stated quite clearly why it was > inappropriate to engineer paging interpolation into p-s-p-m (in a > Telegram group), to the deaf ears of the mob requesting it, but since it > is only now that we have received a lone complaint, it's safe to > conclude that most users are satisfied with its established behavior, > which should at least give us pause before any decision to tamper with > it some more, and which behavior, mind you, had already been revised > once in response to user feedback before 29.1. The optimal solution is > simply not to bind p-s-p-i-p in pixel-scroll-precision-mode, but users > disagreed then, and now it's far too late to tamper with these bindings. So what to do with this bug? close as wontfix? leave open and hope someone will find a solution? something else?
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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 877661012fe2b768eb8296eb116e6136; Sun, 01 Sep 2024 11:52:58 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#71646: 29.3; pixel-scroll-precision-mode overrides paging behaviour even when pixel-scroll-precision-interpolate-page is off In-Reply-To: <86o757acj1.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 01 Sep 2024 13:33:54 +0300") References: <1EF9E019-2554-402F-8E9F-77AF2D9B4828@HIDDEN> <86iky1icc8.fsf@HIDDEN> <86ed8755r4.fsf@HIDDEN> <87jzhy3oda.fsf@HIDDEN> <868qxwe6za.fsf@HIDDEN> <FFBDC556-EE87-42B1-9B96-C5B70B599B2E@HIDDEN> <86y15csoxd.fsf@HIDDEN> <86ikvz4l0y.fsf@HIDDEN> <87frr3k14z.fsf@HIDDEN> <86ed6enwe0.fsf@HIDDEN> <868qwdcaec.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmnah-g=0ZQw110BHCLpoPw6B5+4UOYAAVxKCLBonCrbXQ@HIDDEN> <86o757acj1.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2024 19:52:19 +0800 Message-ID: <87seujtwuk.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.22645 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 1599 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 71646 Cc: mike@HIDDEN, Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN>, 71646 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> From: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN> >> Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2024 02:48:57 -0700 >> Cc: mike@HIDDEN, 71646 <at> debbugs.gnu.org >>=20 >> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >>=20 >> > Ping! Should I close this? >>=20 >> Shouldn't we rather fix the bug described by Mike? I.e. this: >>=20 >> > Setting `pixel-scroll-precision-interpolate-page=E2=80=99 is supposed = to >> > turn off the paging animation (which it does) however even when it=E2= =80=99s >> > off, <prior> and <next> invoke `cua-scroll-up=E2=80=99 & `cua-scroll-d= own=E2=80=99 >> > rather than allowing another keymap to handle it. > > I don't mind to fixing this, if possible, but (a) I don't think I > understand what is being suggested by the text you quote above, and > (b) given Po Lu's response, it doesn't seem like the proposed changes > will be accepted, or did I miss something? My problem is that two years ago I stated quite clearly why it was inappropriate to engineer paging interpolation into p-s-p-m (in a Telegram group), to the deaf ears of the mob requesting it, but since it is only now that we have received a lone complaint, it's safe to conclude that most users are satisfied with its established behavior, which should at least give us pause before any decision to tamper with it some more, and which behavior, mind you, had already been revised once in response to user feedback before 29.1. The optimal solution is simply not to bind p-s-p-i-p in pixel-scroll-precision-mode, but users disagreed then, and now it's far too late to tamper with these bindings.
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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID e35c339b078c8e864930f1530793d5cc; Sun, 01 Sep 2024 11:35:45 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> To: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#71646: 29.3; pixel-scroll-precision-mode overrides paging behaviour even when pixel-scroll-precision-interpolate-page is off In-Reply-To: <CADwFkmnah-g=0ZQw110BHCLpoPw6B5+4UOYAAVxKCLBonCrbXQ@HIDDEN> (Stefan Kangas's message of "Sun, 1 Sep 2024 02:48:57 -0700") References: <1EF9E019-2554-402F-8E9F-77AF2D9B4828@HIDDEN> <86iky1icc8.fsf@HIDDEN> <86ed8755r4.fsf@HIDDEN> <87jzhy3oda.fsf@HIDDEN> <868qxwe6za.fsf@HIDDEN> <FFBDC556-EE87-42B1-9B96-C5B70B599B2E@HIDDEN> <86y15csoxd.fsf@HIDDEN> <86ikvz4l0y.fsf@HIDDEN> <87frr3k14z.fsf@HIDDEN> <86ed6enwe0.fsf@HIDDEN> <868qwdcaec.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmnah-g=0ZQw110BHCLpoPw6B5+4UOYAAVxKCLBonCrbXQ@HIDDEN> Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2024 19:35:24 +0800 Message-ID: <87wmjvtxmr.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.22645 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 636 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 71646 Cc: mike@HIDDEN, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, 71646 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN> writes: > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > >> Ping! Should I close this? > > Shouldn't we rather fix the bug described by Mike? I.e. this: > >> Setting `pixel-scroll-precision-interpolate-page=E2=80=99 is supposed to >> turn off the paging animation (which it does) however even when it=E2=80= =99s >> off, <prior> and <next> invoke `cua-scroll-up=E2=80=99 & `cua-scroll-dow= n=E2=80=99 >> rather than allowing another keymap to handle it. This isn't a bug. If ever there was a time to object to these semantics, it was two years ago, at which time all I heard was enthusiastic support.
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Full text available.Received: (at 71646) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Sep 2024 10:35:04 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Sep 01 06:35:04 2024 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33778 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1skhvE-0002lq-9x for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 Sep 2024 06:35:04 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:36278) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1skhvC-0002lH-58 for 71646 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 Sep 2024 06:35:02 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1skhu8-0001py-T5; Sun, 01 Sep 2024 06:33:56 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=UeWoC1X3QSZo/JV+nQxvpux+gr2XqyfbTWCbRBT6JB0=; b=dbbydqWcRCBQC0y9zPD0 Gl6PZ2X2z0lp/lWaQMJTHArbZr3EZRd/H3u+n42a6qZnBtkN65GCYL4LDP4h/z5osw7pECK+IGwX9 viKRKb7N1KYwDxHZpqFbdUvMbEwGsFInzVlkFt+RFohQpeM1UyNq6XJ92BvMd1XyvhFtxO/sphcfV BWy7KkgBblikkYRI6jOp0fhicM6ZijocQi+I3UNAh6bCYP9nWwOIqc4CgKHY0tbvSXDqcW2LpdX6F rtrmAdVmcmiEzOv5ZoEtICUBraPRSR4zwa6+BzDgkNrgm20ubIpqbKoOffmSpsHUpQqtGRqo1+jLO 4uB38apLysOUMA==; Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2024 13:33:54 +0300 Message-Id: <86o757acj1.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <CADwFkmnah-g=0ZQw110BHCLpoPw6B5+4UOYAAVxKCLBonCrbXQ@HIDDEN> (message from Stefan Kangas on Sun, 1 Sep 2024 02:48:57 -0700) Subject: Re: bug#71646: 29.3; pixel-scroll-precision-mode overrides paging behaviour even when pixel-scroll-precision-interpolate-page is off References: <1EF9E019-2554-402F-8E9F-77AF2D9B4828@HIDDEN> <86iky1icc8.fsf@HIDDEN> <86ed8755r4.fsf@HIDDEN> <87jzhy3oda.fsf@HIDDEN> <868qxwe6za.fsf@HIDDEN> <FFBDC556-EE87-42B1-9B96-C5B70B599B2E@HIDDEN> <86y15csoxd.fsf@HIDDEN> <86ikvz4l0y.fsf@HIDDEN> <87frr3k14z.fsf@HIDDEN> <86ed6enwe0.fsf@HIDDEN> <868qwdcaec.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmnah-g=0ZQw110BHCLpoPw6B5+4UOYAAVxKCLBonCrbXQ@HIDDEN> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 71646 Cc: luangruo@HIDDEN, mike@HIDDEN, 71646 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN> > Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2024 02:48:57 -0700 > Cc: mike@HIDDEN, 71646 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > > > Ping! Should I close this? > > Shouldn't we rather fix the bug described by Mike? I.e. this: > > > Setting `pixel-scroll-precision-interpolate-page’ is supposed to > > turn off the paging animation (which it does) however even when it’s > > off, <prior> and <next> invoke `cua-scroll-up’ & `cua-scroll-down’ > > rather than allowing another keymap to handle it. I don't mind to fixing this, if possible, but (a) I don't think I understand what is being suggested by the text you quote above, and (b) given Po Lu's response, it doesn't seem like the proposed changes will be accepted, or did I miss something?
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Thanks, Mike > On 31 Aug 2024, at 10:24, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFPing! Should I close this? >=20 >> Cc: mike@HIDDEN, 71646 <at> debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2024 11:43:51 +0300 >> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> >>=20 >>> From: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> >>> Cc: mike@HIDDEN, 71646 <at> debbugs.gnu.org >>> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2024 16:24:28 +0800 >>>=20 >>> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >>>=20 >>>> Ping! >>>>=20 >>>>> Cc: 71646 <at> debbugs.gnu.org >>>>> Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2024 10:54:54 +0300 >>>>> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> >>>>>=20 >>>>> Po Lu, how can we make some progress here? >>>>>=20 >>>>>> From: Mike Woolley <mike@HIDDEN> >>>>>> Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2024 11:10:15 +0100 >>>>>> Cc: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN>, >>>>>> 71646 <at> debbugs.gnu.org >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Sorry Eli, >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> I had replied, but forgot to CC the list :-) >>>=20 >>> I suspect that if you make this mistake and correct it afterwards the >>> entire thread will be classified as spam... >>>=20 >>>>>> What I was saying was: of course I can remove the bindings from the m= ap myself (& indeed that=E2=80=99s what I've >>>>>> done), but my point is why should I have to? >>>>>> Why is a feature that=E2=80=99s turned off still having an effect? I t= hink this is unnecessary and surprising to users (at >>>>>> least it was to me)! >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> I was thinking this paging animation feature might be better as it=E2= =80=99s own minor mode, which would do the right >>>>>> thing with keymaps and is how the other features in the same file are= implemented? >>>=20 >>> Yes, but that ship sailed with the release of Emacs 29. It's too late >>> to change any of these mechanics. >>=20 >> So should we close this bug as wontfix, then? >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20
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Full text available.Received: (at 71646) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Aug 2024 09:25:50 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Aug 31 05:25:50 2024 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53943 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1skKMf-0000Dm-Sg for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 31 Aug 2024 05:25:50 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:54148) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1skKMe-0000DU-GS for 71646 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 31 Aug 2024 05:25:49 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1skKLc-0005Hr-VB; Sat, 31 Aug 2024 05:24:44 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=tSQSIG4FsPwQhi+rRutJ72ObUQuhu6fWu2vUFD3cZPI=; b=FTP1JE4F5Lvi3RfcM4yo LWnSC2dVim7wMZ98T0veKV3kikSKHlKx6LyLWSXTG1t7rhb7MDlmbU81iTimrKYnpL9s4O0L5CUVA /NLbRCjlMZxqwrVtXXz9ZgccEPaKgZH5PzSfdWud6xQYBEoKxjmx5Q1jI0zNygEHJ5ibUvSflh0LJ Jp/d5QEmmMfkPCLmr27ty3PPg2eeFIujxcVBWBh2LfGZNWF6Z73c3mR74r8qllhEbvQEnRtj8OPDH KOuJxrPlo/7JeKDA/d4Z197nrT2lBdjH8WsnO6/v/rKZw6O8Q0OQIkFXEnbbVgErXzyKwdXKmYPxl O3uoYVk1gEw5og==; Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2024 12:24:43 +0300 Message-Id: <868qwdcaec.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: luangruo@HIDDEN In-Reply-To: <86ed6enwe0.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sat, 24 Aug 2024 11:43:51 +0300) Subject: Re: bug#71646: 29.3; pixel-scroll-precision-mode overrides paging behaviour even when pixel-scroll-precision-interpolate-page is off References: <1EF9E019-2554-402F-8E9F-77AF2D9B4828@HIDDEN> <86iky1icc8.fsf@HIDDEN> <86ed8755r4.fsf@HIDDEN> <87jzhy3oda.fsf@HIDDEN> <868qxwe6za.fsf@HIDDEN> <FFBDC556-EE87-42B1-9B96-C5B70B599B2E@HIDDEN> <86y15csoxd.fsf@HIDDEN> <86ikvz4l0y.fsf@HIDDEN> <87frr3k14z.fsf@HIDDEN> <86ed6enwe0.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 71646 Cc: mike@HIDDEN, 71646 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Ping! Should I close this? > Cc: mike@HIDDEN, 71646 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2024 11:43:51 +0300 > From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> > > > From: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> > > Cc: mike@HIDDEN, 71646 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2024 16:24:28 +0800 > > > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > > > > > Ping! > > > > > >> Cc: 71646 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > >> Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2024 10:54:54 +0300 > > >> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> > > >> > > >> Po Lu, how can we make some progress here? > > >> > > >> > From: Mike Woolley <mike@HIDDEN> > > >> > Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2024 11:10:15 +0100 > > >> > Cc: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN>, > > >> > 71646 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > >> > > > >> > Sorry Eli, > > >> > > > >> > I had replied, but forgot to CC the list :-) > > > > I suspect that if you make this mistake and correct it afterwards the > > entire thread will be classified as spam... > > > > >> > What I was saying was: of course I can remove the bindings from the map myself (& indeed that’s what I've > > >> > done), but my point is why should I have to? > > >> > Why is a feature that’s turned off still having an effect? I think this is unnecessary and surprising to users (at > > >> > least it was to me)! > > >> > > > >> > I was thinking this paging animation feature might be better as it’s own minor mode, which would do the right > > >> > thing with keymaps and is how the other features in the same file are implemented? > > > > Yes, but that ship sailed with the release of Emacs 29. It's too late > > to change any of these mechanics. > > So should we close this bug as wontfix, then? > > > >
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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 87b18ae98938ceb6d34aab582ffd0430; Sat, 17 Aug 2024 08:24:33 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#71646: 29.3; pixel-scroll-precision-mode overrides paging behaviour even when pixel-scroll-precision-interpolate-page is off In-Reply-To: <86ikvz4l0y.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 17 Aug 2024 11:21:33 +0300") References: <1EF9E019-2554-402F-8E9F-77AF2D9B4828@HIDDEN> <86iky1icc8.fsf@HIDDEN> <86ed8755r4.fsf@HIDDEN> <87jzhy3oda.fsf@HIDDEN> <868qxwe6za.fsf@HIDDEN> <FFBDC556-EE87-42B1-9B96-C5B70B599B2E@HIDDEN> <86y15csoxd.fsf@HIDDEN> <86ikvz4l0y.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2024 16:24:28 +0800 Message-ID: <87frr3k14z.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.22544 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 1219 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 71646 Cc: mike@HIDDEN, 71646 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > Ping! > >> Cc: 71646 <at> debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2024 10:54:54 +0300 >> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> >>=20 >> Po Lu, how can we make some progress here? >>=20 >> > From: Mike Woolley <mike@HIDDEN> >> > Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2024 11:10:15 +0100 >> > Cc: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN>, >> > 71646 <at> debbugs.gnu.org >> >=20 >> > Sorry Eli, >> >=20 >> > I had replied, but forgot to CC the list :-) I suspect that if you make this mistake and correct it afterwards the entire thread will be classified as spam... >> > What I was saying was: of course I can remove the bindings from the ma= p myself (& indeed that=E2=80=99s what I've >> > done), but my point is why should I have to? >> > Why is a feature that=E2=80=99s turned off still having an effect? I t= hink this is unnecessary and surprising to users (at >> > least it was to me)! >> >=20 >> > I was thinking this paging animation feature might be better as it=E2= =80=99s own minor mode, which would do the right >> > thing with keymaps and is how the other features in the same file are = implemented? Yes, but that ship sailed with the release of Emacs 29. It's too late to change any of these mechanics.
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I think this is unnecessary and surprising to users (at > > least it was to me)! > > > > I was thinking this paging animation feature might be better as it’s own minor mode, which would do the right > > thing with keymaps and is how the other features in the same file are implemented? > > > > Thanks, > > Mike > > > > On 20 Jul 2024, at 10:40, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote: > > > > Ping! Mike, can you answer Po Lu's question, please? > > > > From: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> > > Cc: mike@HIDDEN, 71646 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2024 16:40:01 +0800 > > > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > > > > Ping! > > > > Cc: 71646 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2024 11:57:43 +0300 > > From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> > > > > From: Mike Woolley <mike@HIDDEN> > > Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2024 11:44:52 +0100 > > > > Playing with `pixel-scroll-precision-mode’ I noticed a small issue: > > > > Setting `pixel-scroll-precision-interpolate-page’ is supposed to turn off the paging > > animation (which it does) > > however even when it’s off, <prior> and <next> invoke `cua-scroll-up’ & > > `cua-scroll-down’ rather than allowing > > another keymap to handle it. > > > > Unfortunately this means any other mapping for these keys you might have has > > now been silently overridden > > (even after you’ve said you don’t want the new behaviour). > > > > (defun pixel-scroll-interpolate-up () > > "Interpolate a scroll upwards by one page." > > (interactive) > > (if pixel-scroll-precision-interpolate-page > > (pixel-scroll-precision-interpolate (window-text-height nil t) nil 1) > > (cua-scroll-down))) > > > > I think it would be better if `pixel-scroll-precision-mode’ did nothing if > > `pixel-scroll-precision-interpolate-page’ is > > off and allowed another keycap to handle <prior> & <next>. > > > > I also noticed that it only maps <prior> & <next> and not C-v / M-v, so in other > > words behaviour could be > > different depending on exactly which Page Up & Down key sequence you invoke. > > > > Po Lu, any comments or suggestions? > > > > Mike, is there any reason in particular you cannot remove the bindings > > of `prior' and `next' from `pixel-scroll-precision-mode-map'? > > > >
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Full text available.Received: (at 71646) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Aug 2024 07:55:25 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Aug 04 03:55:25 2024 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55384 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1saW5M-0004zO-Jf for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Aug 2024 03:55:25 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:44914) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1saW5K-0004yr-OS for 71646 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Aug 2024 03:55:23 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1saW4u-0003Rc-E8; Sun, 04 Aug 2024 03:54:56 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=jxfIOtq+FZlZ6imCjRXOhOkcC9jw9G6J2HuSQMSI2RM=; b=pmg98FzYXb5QXkxDFDN7 0H80P0WyVH5e7A2qgICNC6Z/WdC+HimKd7W6/5OBLUtPPGYt48B9Xkid53ZGJHMEBniVOu85uRaVY Lw1r4dmCoCDoH6IAglK7/UjM78usF5bEz3iQrQ6M6+ZlIaS5jKDJ4RslRvrA0fdcA5yCKU3wrYEPK /x8F9suxpqKyHsRgHsl5yeIrSembowHWDFrL3R3IDvEVpajRO8SnS1Ve1jpanA3EjhCuwiRcuuQf9 YOEK4RkJ44IWAvW5l9bT6uT0iXecjYoUm0bXKkm4DxefR8C0Cn7U6RfHT6R5bq+eBappKba8fzdHq j1liMAzCto9xvA==; Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2024 10:54:54 +0300 Message-Id: <86y15csoxd.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: luangruo@HIDDEN, Mike Woolley <mike@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <FFBDC556-EE87-42B1-9B96-C5B70B599B2E@HIDDEN> (message from Mike Woolley on Sat, 20 Jul 2024 11:10:15 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#71646: 29.3; pixel-scroll-precision-mode overrides paging behaviour even when pixel-scroll-precision-interpolate-page is off References: <1EF9E019-2554-402F-8E9F-77AF2D9B4828@HIDDEN> <86iky1icc8.fsf@HIDDEN> <86ed8755r4.fsf@HIDDEN> <87jzhy3oda.fsf@HIDDEN> <868qxwe6za.fsf@HIDDEN> <FFBDC556-EE87-42B1-9B96-C5B70B599B2E@HIDDEN> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 71646 Cc: 71646 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Po Lu, how can we make some progress here? > From: Mike Woolley <mike@HIDDEN> > Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2024 11:10:15 +0100 > Cc: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN>, > 71646 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > Sorry Eli, > > I had replied, but forgot to CC the list :-) > > What I was saying was: of course I can remove the bindings from the map myself (& indeed that’s what I've > done), but my point is why should I have to? > Why is a feature that’s turned off still having an effect? I think this is unnecessary and surprising to users (at > least it was to me)! > > I was thinking this paging animation feature might be better as it’s own minor mode, which would do the right > thing with keymaps and is how the other features in the same file are implemented? > > Thanks, > Mike > > On 20 Jul 2024, at 10:40, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote: > > Ping! Mike, can you answer Po Lu's question, please? > > From: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> > Cc: mike@HIDDEN, 71646 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2024 16:40:01 +0800 > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > > Ping! > > Cc: 71646 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2024 11:57:43 +0300 > From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> > > From: Mike Woolley <mike@HIDDEN> > Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2024 11:44:52 +0100 > > Playing with `pixel-scroll-precision-mode’ I noticed a small issue: > > Setting `pixel-scroll-precision-interpolate-page’ is supposed to turn off the paging > animation (which it does) > however even when it’s off, <prior> and <next> invoke `cua-scroll-up’ & > `cua-scroll-down’ rather than allowing > another keymap to handle it. > > Unfortunately this means any other mapping for these keys you might have has > now been silently overridden > (even after you’ve said you don’t want the new behaviour). > > (defun pixel-scroll-interpolate-up () > "Interpolate a scroll upwards by one page." > (interactive) > (if pixel-scroll-precision-interpolate-page > (pixel-scroll-precision-interpolate (window-text-height nil t) nil 1) > (cua-scroll-down))) > > I think it would be better if `pixel-scroll-precision-mode’ did nothing if > `pixel-scroll-precision-interpolate-page’ is > off and allowed another keycap to handle <prior> & <next>. > > I also noticed that it only maps <prior> & <next> and not C-v / M-v, so in other > words behaviour could be > different depending on exactly which Page Up & Down key sequence you invoke. > > Po Lu, any comments or suggestions? > > Mike, is there any reason in particular you cannot remove the bindings > of `prior' and `next' from `pixel-scroll-precision-mode-map'?
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Why is a feature that=E2=80=99s turned off still having an effect? I = think this is unnecessary and surprising to users (at least it was to = me)! I was thinking this paging animation feature might be better as it=E2=80=99= s own minor mode, which would do the right thing with keymaps and is how = the other features in the same file are implemented? Thanks, Mike > On 20 Jul 2024, at 10:40, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote: >=20 > Ping! Mike, can you answer Po Lu's question, please? >=20 >> From: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> >> Cc: mike@HIDDEN, 71646 <at> debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2024 16:40:01 +0800 >>=20 >> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >>=20 >>> Ping! >>>=20 >>>> Cc: 71646 <at> debbugs.gnu.org >>>> Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2024 11:57:43 +0300 >>>> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> >>>>=20 >>>>> From: Mike Woolley <mike@HIDDEN> >>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2024 11:44:52 +0100 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Playing with `pixel-scroll-precision-mode=E2=80=99 I noticed a = small issue: >>>>>=20 >>>>> Setting `pixel-scroll-precision-interpolate-page=E2=80=99 is = supposed to turn off the paging animation (which it does) >>>>> however even when it=E2=80=99s off, <prior> and <next> invoke = `cua-scroll-up=E2=80=99 & `cua-scroll-down=E2=80=99 rather than allowing >>>>> another keymap to handle it. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Unfortunately this means any other mapping for these keys you = might have has now been silently overridden >>>>> (even after you=E2=80=99ve said you don=E2=80=99t want the new = behaviour). >>>>>=20 >>>>> (defun pixel-scroll-interpolate-up () >>>>> "Interpolate a scroll upwards by one page." >>>>> (interactive) >>>>> (if pixel-scroll-precision-interpolate-page >>>>> (pixel-scroll-precision-interpolate (window-text-height nil = t) nil 1) >>>>> (cua-scroll-down))) >>>>>=20 >>>>> I think it would be better if `pixel-scroll-precision-mode=E2=80=99 = did nothing if `pixel-scroll-precision-interpolate-page=E2=80=99 is >>>>> off and allowed another keycap to handle <prior> & <next>. >>>>>=20 >>>>> I also noticed that it only maps <prior> & <next> and not C-v / = M-v, so in other words behaviour could be >>>>> different depending on exactly which Page Up & Down key sequence = you invoke. >>>>=20 >>>> Po Lu, any comments or suggestions? >>=20 >> Mike, is there any reason in particular you cannot remove the = bindings >> of `prior' and `next' from `pixel-scroll-precision-mode-map'? >>=20 --Apple-Mail=_BD8227A2-138D-47DA-BAF3-7B81D4BE76BF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;"><div>Sorry = Eli,</div><div><br></div>I had replied, but forgot to CC the list = :-)<div><br></div><div>What I was saying was: of course I can remove the = bindings from the map myself (& indeed that=E2=80=99s what I've = done), but my point is why should I have to?</div><div>Why is a feature = that=E2=80=99s turned off still having an effect? I think this is = unnecessary and surprising to users (at least it was to = me)!</div><div><br></div><div>I was thinking this paging animation = feature might be better as it=E2=80=99s own minor mode, which would do = the right thing with keymaps and is how the other features in the same = file are implemented?</div><div><br = id=3D"lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div> <div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); = font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; = font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; = text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: = normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; = text-decoration: none;">Thanks,</div><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, = 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; = font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; = letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; = text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">Mike</div> </div> <div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On 20 Jul 2024, at 10:40, Eli = Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div>Ping! Mike, can you = answer Po Lu's question, please?<br><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">From: = Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN><br>Cc: mike@HIDDEN, = 71646 <at> debbugs.gnu.org<br>Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2024 16:40:01 = +0800<br><br>Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> = writes:<br><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">Ping!<br><br><blockquote = type=3D"cite">Cc: 71646 <at> debbugs.gnu.org<br>Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2024 = 11:57:43 +0300<br>From: Eli Zaretskii = <eliz@HIDDEN><br><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">From: Mike Woolley = <mike@HIDDEN><br>Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2024 11:44:52 = +0100<br><br>Playing with `pixel-scroll-precision-mode=E2=80=99 I = noticed a small issue:<br><br>Setting = `pixel-scroll-precision-interpolate-page=E2=80=99 is supposed to turn = off the paging animation (which it does)<br>however even when it=E2=80=99s= off, <prior> and <next> invoke `cua-scroll-up=E2=80=99 = & `cua-scroll-down=E2=80=99 rather than allowing<br>another keymap = to handle it.<br><br>Unfortunately this means any other mapping for = these keys you might have has now been silently overridden<br>(even = after you=E2=80=99ve said you don=E2=80=99t want the new = behaviour).<br><br>(defun pixel-scroll-interpolate-up ()<br> = "Interpolate a scroll upwards by one page."<br> = (interactive)<br> (if = pixel-scroll-precision-interpolate-page<br> = (pixel-scroll-precision-interpolate = (window-text-height nil t) nil 1)<br> = (cua-scroll-down)))<br><br>I think it would be better = if `pixel-scroll-precision-mode=E2=80=99 did nothing if = `pixel-scroll-precision-interpolate-page=E2=80=99 is<br>off and allowed = another keycap to handle <prior> & <next>.<br><br>I also = noticed that it only maps <prior> & <next> and not C-v / = M-v, so in other words behaviour could be<br>different depending on = exactly which Page Up & Down key sequence you = invoke.<br></blockquote><br>Po Lu, any comments or = suggestions?<br></blockquote></blockquote><br>Mike, is there any reason = in particular you cannot remove the bindings<br>of `prior' and `next' = from = `pixel-scroll-precision-mode-map'?<br><br></blockquote></div></div></block= quote></div><br></div></body></html>= --Apple-Mail=_BD8227A2-138D-47DA-BAF3-7B81D4BE76BF--
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Full text available.Received: (at 71646) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Jul 2024 09:41:12 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 20 05:41:12 2024 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51732 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1sV6aV-0007ve-Mz for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Jul 2024 05:41:12 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:49262) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1sV6aU-0007vQ-1E for 71646 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Jul 2024 05:41:10 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1sV6aO-0001Yk-Cb; Sat, 20 Jul 2024 05:41:04 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=qrUj/Vx59fz/ZuKJUkGueHwIe6cM3fsjwosClDvk1R4=; b=Wqe1R7ys8ADHj6HSTLVF QLCXXZUVbQiuFymgUZyQQv0EmIe1JhMu86oK7IdhRh3iN+QjHCOBfW6Nw1zaNRyII5901EvnxvDi0 7qRu+fCauH7EUE5Lan0nFWU8mQAAFqqYQBy3IDWrHjtxv3NNFdIxxeEXK5NxFdNB9ontRSG6CHgb0 wzYcc3LDXuR2AVR1Uf9dYvZLHD1lQVQXV+dPD0ktcAgoxR/xAHJXk9WNuPhB/Fqd0Yb27suBfa5yi 4LpmI6mbUdgSycL8OrOwTs7vsvR1Rgl2viW5I3grEr3wFJjE/v7dQk6XkhFrf8kXRsLuJdBw8iYFm t7Q4aUVEH/nvww==; Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2024 12:40:57 +0300 Message-Id: <868qxwe6za.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: mike@HIDDEN, Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87jzhy3oda.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Po Lu on Sat, 06 Jul 2024 16:40:01 +0800) Subject: Re: bug#71646: 29.3; pixel-scroll-precision-mode overrides paging behaviour even when pixel-scroll-precision-interpolate-page is off References: <1EF9E019-2554-402F-8E9F-77AF2D9B4828@HIDDEN> <86iky1icc8.fsf@HIDDEN> <86ed8755r4.fsf@HIDDEN> <87jzhy3oda.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 71646 Cc: 71646 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Ping! Mike, can you answer Po Lu's question, please? > From: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> > Cc: mike@HIDDEN, 71646 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2024 16:40:01 +0800 > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > > > Ping! > > > >> Cc: 71646 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > >> Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2024 11:57:43 +0300 > >> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> > >> > >> > From: Mike Woolley <mike@HIDDEN> > >> > Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2024 11:44:52 +0100 > >> > > >> > Playing with `pixel-scroll-precision-mode’ I noticed a small issue: > >> > > >> > Setting `pixel-scroll-precision-interpolate-page’ is supposed to turn off the paging animation (which it does) > >> > however even when it’s off, <prior> and <next> invoke `cua-scroll-up’ & `cua-scroll-down’ rather than allowing > >> > another keymap to handle it. > >> > > >> > Unfortunately this means any other mapping for these keys you might have has now been silently overridden > >> > (even after you’ve said you don’t want the new behaviour). > >> > > >> > (defun pixel-scroll-interpolate-up () > >> > "Interpolate a scroll upwards by one page." > >> > (interactive) > >> > (if pixel-scroll-precision-interpolate-page > >> > (pixel-scroll-precision-interpolate (window-text-height nil t) nil 1) > >> > (cua-scroll-down))) > >> > > >> > I think it would be better if `pixel-scroll-precision-mode’ did nothing if `pixel-scroll-precision-interpolate-page’ is > >> > off and allowed another keycap to handle <prior> & <next>. > >> > > >> > I also noticed that it only maps <prior> & <next> and not C-v / M-v, so in other words behaviour could be > >> > different depending on exactly which Page Up & Down key sequence you invoke. > >> > >> Po Lu, any comments or suggestions? > > Mike, is there any reason in particular you cannot remove the bindings > of `prior' and `next' from `pixel-scroll-precision-mode-map'? >
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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 1866c514882b572436d41e28523d8d8d; Sat, 06 Jul 2024 08:40:36 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#71646: 29.3; pixel-scroll-precision-mode overrides paging behaviour even when pixel-scroll-precision-interpolate-page is off In-Reply-To: <86ed8755r4.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 06 Jul 2024 10:39:11 +0300") References: <1EF9E019-2554-402F-8E9F-77AF2D9B4828@HIDDEN> <86iky1icc8.fsf@HIDDEN> <86ed8755r4.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2024 16:40:01 +0800 Message-ID: <87jzhy3oda.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.22464 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 1737 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 71646 Cc: mike@HIDDEN, 71646 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > Ping! > >> Cc: 71646 <at> debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2024 11:57:43 +0300 >> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> >>=20 >> > From: Mike Woolley <mike@HIDDEN> >> > Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2024 11:44:52 +0100 >> >=20 >> > Playing with `pixel-scroll-precision-mode=E2=80=99 I noticed a small i= ssue: >> >=20 >> > Setting `pixel-scroll-precision-interpolate-page=E2=80=99 is supposed = to turn off the paging animation (which it does) >> > however even when it=E2=80=99s off, <prior> and <next> invoke `cua-scr= oll-up=E2=80=99 & `cua-scroll-down=E2=80=99 rather than allowing >> > another keymap to handle it. >> >=20 >> > Unfortunately this means any other mapping for these keys you might ha= ve has now been silently overridden >> > (even after you=E2=80=99ve said you don=E2=80=99t want the new behavio= ur). >> >=20 >> > (defun pixel-scroll-interpolate-up () >> > "Interpolate a scroll upwards by one page." >> > (interactive) >> > (if pixel-scroll-precision-interpolate-page >> > (pixel-scroll-precision-interpolate (window-text-height nil t) n= il 1) >> > (cua-scroll-down))) >> >=20 >> > I think it would be better if `pixel-scroll-precision-mode=E2=80=99 di= d nothing if `pixel-scroll-precision-interpolate-page=E2=80=99 is >> > off and allowed another keycap to handle <prior> & <next>. >> >=20 >> > I also noticed that it only maps <prior> & <next> and not C-v / M-v, s= o in other words behaviour could be >> > different depending on exactly which Page Up & Down key sequence you i= nvoke. >>=20 >> Po Lu, any comments or suggestions? Mike, is there any reason in particular you cannot remove the bindings of `prior' and `next' from `pixel-scroll-precision-mode-map'?
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Hi,
Playing with `pixel-scroll-precision-mode=E2=80=99 I noticed a small =
issue:
Setting `pixel-scroll-precision-interpolate-page=E2=80=99 is supposed to =
turn off the paging animation (which it does) however even when it=E2=80=99=
s off, <prior> and <next> invoke `cua-scroll-up=E2=80=99 & =
`cua-scroll-down=E2=80=99 rather than allowing another keymap to handle =
it.
Unfortunately this means any other mapping for these keys you might have =
has now been silently overridden (even after you=E2=80=99ve said you =
don=E2=80=99t want the new behaviour).
(defun pixel-scroll-interpolate-up ()
"Interpolate a scroll upwards by one page."
(interactive)
(if pixel-scroll-precision-interpolate-page
(pixel-scroll-precision-interpolate (window-text-height nil t) nil =
1)
(cua-scroll-down)))
I think it would be better if `pixel-scroll-precision-mode=E2=80=99 did =
nothing if `pixel-scroll-precision-interpolate-page=E2=80=99 is off and =
allowed another keycap to handle <prior> & <next>.
I also noticed that it only maps <prior> & <next> and not C-v / M-v, so =
in other words behaviour could be different depending on exactly which =
Page Up & Down key sequence you invoke.
Thanks,
Mike
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: =
after-white-space;">Hi,<div><br></div><div>Playing with =
`pixel-scroll-precision-mode=E2=80=99 I noticed a small =
issue:</div><div><br></div><div>Setting =
`pixel-scroll-precision-interpolate-page=E2=80=99 is supposed to turn =
off the paging animation (which it does) however even when it=E2=80=99s =
off, <prior> and <next> invoke `cua-scroll-up=E2=80=99 & =
`cua-scroll-down=E2=80=99 rather than allowing another keymap to handle =
it.</div><div><br></div><div>Unfortunately this means any other mapping =
for these keys you might have has now been silently overridden (even =
after you=E2=80=99ve said you don=E2=80=99t want the new =
behaviour).</div><div><br></div><div><div><font face=3D"Courier =
New">(defun pixel-scroll-interpolate-up ()</font></div><div><font =
face=3D"Courier New"> "Interpolate a scroll upwards by one =
page."</font></div><div><font face=3D"Courier New"> =
(interactive)</font></div><div><font face=3D"Courier New"> (if =
<b>pixel-scroll-precision-interpolate-page</b></font></div><div><font =
face=3D"Courier New"> =
(pixel-scroll-precision-interpolate (window-text-height nil t) nil =
1)</font></div><div><font face=3D"Courier New"> =
<b>(cua-scroll-down)</b>))</font></div></div><div><br></div><div>I think =
it would be better if `pixel-scroll-precision-mode=E2=80=99 did =
nothing if `pixel-scroll-precision-interpolate-page=E2=80=99 is off and =
allowed another keycap to handle <prior> & =
<next>.</div><div><br></div><div>I also noticed that it only maps =
<prior> & <next> and not C-v / M-v, so in other words =
behaviour could be different depending on exactly which Page Up & =
Down key sequence you invoke.</div><div><br><div>
<div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;">Thanks,</div><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, =
0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">Mike</div>
</div>
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