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Hi Liliana,
On 6/23/24 08:17, Liliana Marie Prikler wrote:
> * doc/guix.texi ("Emacs packages"): Expand note to talk about differences
> between native compilation upstream and as used in Guix.
> ---
> doc/guix.texi | 31 ++++++++++++++++++++++---------
> 1 file changed, 22 insertions(+), 9 deletions(-)
Thanks, I think that is a great addition to the manual.
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* doc/guix.texi ("Emacs packages"): Expand note to talk about differences
between native compilation upstream and as used in Guix.
---
doc/guix.texi | 31 ++++++++++++++++++++++---------
1 file changed, 22 insertions(+), 9 deletions(-)
diff --git a/doc/guix.texi b/doc/guix.texi
index 9bbf85e32b..67c5cef757 100644
--- a/doc/guix.texi
+++ b/doc/guix.texi
@@ -1878,15 +1878,28 @@ Application Setup
File,,, emacs, The GNU Emacs Manual}).
@quotation Note
-Emacs can now compile packages natively. Under the default
-configuration, this means that Emacs packages will now be
-just-in-time (JIT) compiled as you use them, and the results
-stored in a subdirectory of your @code{user-emacs-directory}.
-
-Furthermore, the build system for Emacs packages transparently
-supports native compilation, but note, that
-@code{emacs-minimal}---the default Emacs for building
-packages---has been configured without native compilation.
+Most Emacs variants are now capable of doing native compilation.
+The approach taken by Guix Emacs however differs greatly
+from the approach taken upstream.
+
+Upstream Emacs compiles packages just-in-time and typically places
+shared object files in a special folder within your
+@code{user-emacs-directory}.
+These shared objects within said folder are organized in a
+flat hierarchy, and their file names contain two hashes to
+verify the original file name and contents of the source code.
+
+Guix Emacs on the other hand prefers to compile packages ahead-of-time.
+Shared objects retain much of the original file name and no hashes
+are added to verify the original file name or the contents of the file.
+Crucially, this allows Guix Emacs and packages built against it
+to be grafted (@pxref{Security Updates, grafts}), but at the same time,
+Guix Emacs lacks the hash-based verification of source code baked
+into upstream Emacs. As this naming schema is trivial to exploit,
+we disable just-in-time compilation.
+
+Further note, that @code{emacs-minimal}---the default Emacs
+for building packages---has been configured without native compilation.
To natively compile your emacs packages ahead of time, use a
transformation like @option{--with-input=emacs-minimal=emacs}.
@end quotation
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Sun, 23 Jun 2024 01:00:44 +0000 Received: from [10.17.178.125] (unknown [172.98.33.7]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: adam@HIDDEN) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a295.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4W6CSr21BfzFS for <bug-guix@HIDDEN>; Sat, 22 Jun 2024 18:00:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alphapapa.net; s=dreamhost; t=1719104444; bh=P2MLj+1fT7CbOcl9Qqktcr6f0+HOqTreyYIjOwuU7gI=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=RdBXPyk/uhyDGcApNe4nyI1JxUPl4RUbo7+0jczq7wUPXYxEJyH6Y8jXCq01SMh2o 5kLBud4OZQyxCqwRnn7zSX/+/C1R0Xhirll3hd8G/jRs1EBJyfBAUu7jnJQssxUQI2 q0i+4Ay9lBgd5gxGK7pUmZLkqWcxlHRHmNaL3D2M9ORZaARX20/xWj8+ZBLKa/gA0u sXZ713OPqVPJbTXcy7wKx9oB4NMY6pz7rMn9GWL/HuTXrYg6+IdfT3RR5p0TX3w88H sSwmJJgjgp2E4cwX5rkqu3w6ewjSlGhVobBpwsSV55blQ4utM52GYErT83INYLPjsM gStwfg9F6OP9Q== Message-ID: <ce77635e-20e7-4b71-bf46-bfa716389579@HIDDEN> Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2024 20:00:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: en-US To: bug-guix@HIDDEN From: Adam Porter <adam@HIDDEN> Subject: Manual section 2.6.5 on Emacs Packages needs updating regarding native-compilation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received-SPF: neutral client-ip=23.83.215.42; envelope-from=adam@HIDDEN; helo=crab.oak.relay.mailchannels.net X-Spam_score_int: -12 X-Spam_score: -1.3 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) Hello, I just noticed that the Guix manual at <https://guix.gnu.org/manual/en/guix.html>, in section 2.6.5, says: > Note: Emacs can now compile packages natively. Under the default > configuration, this means that Emacs packages will now be > just-in-time (JIT) compiled as you use them, and the results stored > in a subdirectory of your user-emacs-directory. > > Furthermore, the build system for Emacs packages transparently > supports native compilation, but note, that emacs-minimal—the default > Emacs for building packages—has been configured without native > compilation. To natively compile your emacs packages ahead of time, > use a transformation like --with-input=emacs-minimal=emacs. Given the patch that disables such JIT compilation, discussed in bug#71725, seems to disable that, it would seem that this section in the manual should be updated accordingly. (Or, ideally, that behavior would be restored for packages installed outside of Guix, but that's what bug#71725 is about.) Thanks, Adam
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