GNU bug report logs - #7177
Global minor modes might tell there is a variable in the doc string

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Package: emacs;

Reported by: Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman <at> gmail.com>

Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 17:38:01 UTC

Severity: wishlist

Tags: fixed

Merged with 5029

Fixed in version 27.1

Done: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>

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From: Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman <at> gmail.com>
To: Emacs Bugs <bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org>
Subject: Global minor modes might tell there is a variable in the doc string
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 19:29:00 +0200
Global minor modes might tell there is a corresponding customizable
variable in the doc string.

I think especially new users would benefit from that.




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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 7177 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#7177: Global minor modes might tell there is a variable in
	the doc string
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2011 23:26:02 +0200
Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman <at> gmail.com> writes:

> Global minor modes might tell there is a corresponding customizable
> variable in the doc string.
>
> I think especially new users would benefit from that.

Do (new) users really need to know that?  To switch the minor modes off
and on, you don't really need to be aware that there are variables that
correspond to the minor modes.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/




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From: Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman <at> gmail.com>
To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 7177 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#7177: Global minor modes might tell there is a variable in
	the doc string
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 04:17:44 +0200
On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 23:26, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> wrote:
> Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman <at> gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Global minor modes might tell there is a corresponding customizable
>> variable in the doc string.
>>
>> I think especially new users would benefit from that.
>
> Do (new) users really need to know that?  To switch the minor modes off
> and on, you don't really need to be aware that there are variables that
> correspond to the minor modes.

Yes, you do because you can not customize (i.e. turn them on by
default) them otherwise.




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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 7177 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#7177: Global minor modes might tell there is a variable in
	the doc string
Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2011 04:35:21 +0200
Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman <at> gmail.com> writes:

> Yes, you do because you can not customize (i.e. turn them on by
> default) them otherwise.

If you set, for instance, the `flyspell-mode' variable from customize --
will that turn it on by default?

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/




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From: Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman <at> gmail.com>
To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 7177 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#7177: Global minor modes might tell there is a variable in
	the doc string
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 04:43:00 +0200
On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 04:35, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> wrote:
> Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman <at> gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Yes, you do because you can not customize (i.e. turn them on by
>> default) them otherwise.
>
> If you set, for instance, the `flyspell-mode' variable from customize --
> will that turn it on by default?

You can only do that for global minor modes. Then it will be turned on
by default.




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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 7177 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#7177: Global minor modes might tell there is a variable in
	the doc string
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 16:33:06 +0200
Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman <at> gmail.com> writes:

> You can only do that for global minor modes. Then it will be turned on
> by default.

What global minor mode, in particular, do you think should mention this
variable? 

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/




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From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 7177 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#7177: Global minor modes might tell there is a variable in
	the doc string
Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 22:08:04 +0200
Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:

> Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman <at> gmail.com> writes:
>
>> You can only do that for global minor modes. Then it will be turned on
>> by default.
>
> What global minor mode, in particular, do you think should mention this
> variable? 

Ping?

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
  bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/




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Message #26 received at 7177 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman <at> gmail.com>
To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 7177 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#7177: Global minor modes might tell there is a variable in
	the doc string
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 22:25:37 +0200
On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 22:08, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> wrote:
> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:
>
>> Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman <at> gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> You can only do that for global minor modes. Then it will be turned on
>>> by default.
>>
>> What global minor mode, in particular, do you think should mention this
>> variable?
>
> Ping?

All global minor modes defined by define-minor-mode.




Forcibly Merged 5029 7177. Request was from Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org> to control <at> debbugs.gnu.org. (Tue, 13 Mar 2012 18:44:01 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

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bug#7177; Package emacs. (Tue, 01 Oct 2019 14:46:02 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Message #31 received at 7177 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 7177 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, 5029 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#7177: Global minor modes might tell there is a variable in
 the doc string
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2019 16:45:41 +0200
Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman <at> gmail.com> writes:

> Global minor modes might tell there is a corresponding customizable
> variable in the doc string.
>
> I think especially new users would benefit from that.

I've now done this in Emacs 27.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no




Added tag(s) fixed. Request was from Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> to control <at> debbugs.gnu.org. (Tue, 01 Oct 2019 14:46:03 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

bug marked as fixed in version 27.1, send any further explanations to 5029 <at> debbugs.gnu.org and Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman <at> gmail.com> Request was from Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> to control <at> debbugs.gnu.org. (Tue, 01 Oct 2019 14:46:03 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

bug archived. Request was from Debbugs Internal Request <help-debbugs <at> gnu.org> to internal_control <at> debbugs.gnu.org. (Wed, 30 Oct 2019 11:24:07 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

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