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Given an ELPA >>>> package `elpafoo' that contains another directory `elpabar' that also >>>> holds source files, e.g. like the structure below: >>>> >>>> ,---- >>>> | ~/.config/emacs/elpa/elpafoo/ >>>> | ~/.config/emacs/elpa/elpafoo/elpafoo.el >>>> | ~/.config/emacs/elpa/elpafoo/elpabar >>>> | ~/.config/emacs/elpa/elpafoo/elpabar/elpabar.el >>>> `---- >>>> >>>> When installing through package.el, both elpafoo.el and >>>> elpabar/elpabar.el will be byte-compiled, but only the root source path >>>> `~/.config/emacs/elpa/elpafoo' is added to `load-path', without any of >>>> the nested directories. >>>> >>>> I wonder whether this is the intended behavior regarding `load-path' >>>> handling. If nested directories are added, it has the advantage to >>>> allow more fine-grained source organization; as a downside, it may >>>> unnecessarily add more unneeded stuff and processing overhead (as >>>> Michael pointed out at [2]), and potentially break existing code, >>>> e.g. auctex, which seems to vendor stuff in the `style/' directories but >>>> not loaded so it's not causing any trouble yet. >>>> >>>> So I wonder what is the stance of the Emacs maintainer on this subject, >>>> or whether this is documented anywhere. Also one more step: whether >>>> there is a recommended layout for source code organization for ELPA >>>> packages. >> >> I think it is intentional, because the approach is simple but functional >> enough in most instances. If you need to load a sub-directory, you can >> add an autoloaded `add-to-list' expression in elpafoo.el. >> > > Thanks Jeremy and Philip! I had a router issue a few days ago and > didn't got a confirmation about this bug so I filed a similar bug at > bug#71817, where Stefan offered a similar explanation there as well. Right, I noticed that too late. But good to have two independent responses coincide in their suggestion. > Also please feel free to merge this bug with bug#71817 to reduce > duplications. Thanks! I should have merged the reports. -- Philip Kaludercic on peregrine
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Given an ELPA >>> package `elpafoo' that contains another directory `elpabar' that also >>> holds source files, e.g. like the structure below: >>> >>> ,---- >>> | ~/.config/emacs/elpa/elpafoo/ >>> | ~/.config/emacs/elpa/elpafoo/elpafoo.el >>> | ~/.config/emacs/elpa/elpafoo/elpabar >>> | ~/.config/emacs/elpa/elpafoo/elpabar/elpabar.el >>> `---- >>> >>> When installing through package.el, both elpafoo.el and >>> elpabar/elpabar.el will be byte-compiled, but only the root source path >>> `~/.config/emacs/elpa/elpafoo' is added to `load-path', without any of >>> the nested directories. >>> >>> I wonder whether this is the intended behavior regarding `load-path' >>> handling. If nested directories are added, it has the advantage to >>> allow more fine-grained source organization; as a downside, it may >>> unnecessarily add more unneeded stuff and processing overhead (as >>> Michael pointed out at [2]), and potentially break existing code, >>> e.g. auctex, which seems to vendor stuff in the `style/' directories but >>> not loaded so it's not causing any trouble yet. >>> >>> So I wonder what is the stance of the Emacs maintainer on this subject, >>> or whether this is documented anywhere. Also one more step: whether >>> there is a recommended layout for source code organization for ELPA >>> packages. > > I think it is intentional, because the approach is simple but functional > enough in most instances. If you need to load a sub-directory, you can > add an autoloaded `add-to-list' expression in elpafoo.el. > Thanks Jeremy and Philip! I had a router issue a few days ago and didn't got a confirmation about this bug so I filed a similar bug at bug#71817, where Stefan offered a similar explanation there as well. Also please feel free to merge this bug with bug#71817 to reduce duplications. Thanks! >>> [1] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2024-05/msg00658.html >>> [2] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2024-05/msg01039.html >>> >>> >>> >>> In GNU Emacs 29.3 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.38, >>> cairo version 1.16.0) of 2024-05-20, modified by Debian built on sbuild >>> Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12101007 >>> System Description: Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm) >>> >>> Configured using: >>> 'configure --build x86_64-linux-gnu --prefix=/usr >>> --sharedstatedir=/var/lib --libexecdir=/usr/libexec >>> --localstatedir=/var/lib --infodir=/usr/share/info >>> --mandir=/usr/share/man --with-libsystemd --with-pop=yes >>> --enable-locallisppath=/etc/emacs:/usr/local/share/emacs/29.3/site-lisp:/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/29.3/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp >>> --with-sound=alsa --without-gconf --with-mailutils >>> --with-native-compilation --build x86_64-linux-gnu --prefix=/usr >>> --sharedstatedir=/var/lib --libexecdir=/usr/libexec >>> --localstatedir=/var/lib --infodir=/usr/share/info >>> --mandir=/usr/share/man --with-libsystemd --with-pop=yes >>> --enable-locallisppath=/etc/emacs:/usr/local/share/emacs/29.3/site-lisp:/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/29.3/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp >>> --with-sound=alsa --without-gconf --with-mailutils >>> --with-native-compilation --with-cairo --with-x=yes >>> --with-x-toolkit=gtk3 --with-toolkit-scroll-bars 'CFLAGS=-g -O2 >>> -ffile-prefix-map=/build/reproducible-path/emacs-29.3+1=. -fstack-protector-strong >>> -Wformat -Werror=format-security -Wall' 'CPPFLAGS=-Wdate-time >>> -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2' LDFLAGS=-Wl,-z,relro' >>> >>> Configured features: >>> ACL CAIRO DBUS FREETYPE GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS GPM GSETTINGS HARFBUZZ JPEG >>> JSON LCMS2 LIBOTF LIBSELINUX LIBSYSTEMD LIBXML2 M17N_FLT MODULES >>> NATIVE_COMP NOTIFY INOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SECCOMP SOUND SQLITE3 >>> THREADS TIFF 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hashtable-print-readable backquote >>> threads dbusbind inotify lcms2 dynamic-setting system-font-setting >>> font-render-setting cairo move-toolbar gtk x-toolkit xinput2 x multi-tty >>> make-network-process native-compile emacs) >>> >>> Memory information: >>> ((conses 16 4151836 235820) >>> (symbols 48 38894 35) >>> (strings 32 186143 40188) >>> (string-bytes 1 6165556) >>> (vectors 16 121009) >>> (vector-slots 8 3140568 287319) >>> (floats 8 1184 5120) >>> (intervals 56 274782 3076) >>> (buffers 984 145)) >> >> Adding Philip who may have thoughts regarding ELPA structure. >> >> >> >> -- Xiyue Deng
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#71789; Package emacs.
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Given an ELPA >> package `elpafoo' that contains another directory `elpabar' that also >> holds source files, e.g. like the structure below: >> >> ,---- >> | ~/.config/emacs/elpa/elpafoo/ >> | ~/.config/emacs/elpa/elpafoo/elpafoo.el >> | ~/.config/emacs/elpa/elpafoo/elpabar >> | ~/.config/emacs/elpa/elpafoo/elpabar/elpabar.el >> `---- >> >> When installing through package.el, both elpafoo.el and >> elpabar/elpabar.el will be byte-compiled, but only the root source path >> `~/.config/emacs/elpa/elpafoo' is added to `load-path', without any of >> the nested directories. >> >> I wonder whether this is the intended behavior regarding `load-path' >> handling. If nested directories are added, it has the advantage to >> allow more fine-grained source organization; as a downside, it may >> unnecessarily add more unneeded stuff and processing overhead (as >> Michael pointed out at [2]), and potentially break existing code, >> e.g. auctex, which seems to vendor stuff in the `style/' directories but >> not loaded so it's not causing any trouble yet. >> >> So I wonder what is the stance of the Emacs maintainer on this subject, >> or whether this is documented anywhere. Also one more step: whether >> there is a recommended layout for source code organization for ELPA >> packages. I think it is intentional, because the approach is simple but functional enough in most instances. If you need to load a sub-directory, you can add an autoloaded `add-to-list' expression in elpafoo.el. >> [1] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2024-05/msg00658.html >> [2] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2024-05/msg01039.html >> >> >> >> In GNU Emacs 29.3 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.38, >> cairo version 1.16.0) of 2024-05-20, modified by Debian built on sbuild >> Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12101007 >> System Description: Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm) >> >> Configured using: >> 'configure --build x86_64-linux-gnu --prefix=/usr >> --sharedstatedir=/var/lib --libexecdir=/usr/libexec >> --localstatedir=/var/lib --infodir=/usr/share/info >> --mandir=/usr/share/man --with-libsystemd --with-pop=yes >> --enable-locallisppath=/etc/emacs:/usr/local/share/emacs/29.3/site-lisp:/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/29.3/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp >> --with-sound=alsa --without-gconf --with-mailutils >> --with-native-compilation --build x86_64-linux-gnu --prefix=/usr >> --sharedstatedir=/var/lib --libexecdir=/usr/libexec >> --localstatedir=/var/lib --infodir=/usr/share/info >> --mandir=/usr/share/man --with-libsystemd --with-pop=yes >> --enable-locallisppath=/etc/emacs:/usr/local/share/emacs/29.3/site-lisp:/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/29.3/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp >> --with-sound=alsa --without-gconf --with-mailutils >> --with-native-compilation --with-cairo --with-x=yes >> --with-x-toolkit=gtk3 --with-toolkit-scroll-bars 'CFLAGS=-g -O2 >> -ffile-prefix-map=/build/reproducible-path/emacs-29.3+1=. -fstack-protector-strong >> -Wformat -Werror=format-security -Wall' 'CPPFLAGS=-Wdate-time >> -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2' LDFLAGS=-Wl,-z,relro' >> >> Configured features: >> ACL CAIRO DBUS FREETYPE GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS GPM GSETTINGS HARFBUZZ JPEG >> JSON LCMS2 LIBOTF LIBSELINUX LIBSYSTEMD LIBXML2 M17N_FLT MODULES >> NATIVE_COMP NOTIFY INOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SECCOMP SOUND SQLITE3 >> THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS TREE_SITTER WEBP X11 XDBE XIM XINPUT2 >> XPM GTK3 ZLIB >> >> Important settings: >> value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8 >> value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=ibus >> locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix >> >> Major mode: Lisp Interaction >> >> Minor modes in effect: >> global-git-commit-mode: t >> magit-auto-revert-mode: t >> shell-dirtrack-mode: t >> windmove-mode: t >> rcirc-track-minor-mode: t >> server-mode: t >> subword-mode: t >> bug-reference-prog-mode: t >> whitespace-mode: t >> yas-minor-mode: t >> xclip-mode: t >> global-treesit-auto-mode: t >> treemacs-project-follow-mode: t >> treemacs-follow-mode: t >> treemacs-git-mode: t >> treemacs-fringe-indicator-mode: t >> corfu-terminal-mode: t >> corfu-popupinfo-mode: t >> corfu-echo-mode: t >> global-corfu-mode: t >> corfu-mode: t >> activities-tabs-mode: t >> activities-mode: t >> fido-vertical-mode: t >> icomplete-vertical-mode: t >> icomplete-mode: t >> fido-mode: t >> override-global-mode: t >> global-display-line-numbers-mode: t >> display-line-numbers-mode: t >> global-auto-revert-mode: t >> tooltip-mode: t >> global-eldoc-mode: t >> eldoc-mode: t >> show-paren-mode: t >> electric-indent-mode: t >> mouse-wheel-mode: t >> tool-bar-mode: t >> tab-bar-mode: t >> file-name-shadow-mode: t >> global-font-lock-mode: t >> font-lock-mode: t >> blink-cursor-mode: t >> column-number-mode: t >> line-number-mode: t >> transient-mark-mode: t >> auto-composition-mode: t >> auto-encryption-mode: t >> auto-compression-mode: t >> >> Load-path shadows: >> /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/elpa/debian-el-37.13/debian-autoloads hides /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/elpa/gnuplot-0.8.1/debian-autoloads >> /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/elpa/magit-3.3.0/magit-section hides /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/elpa/magit-section-3.3.0/magit-section >> >> Features: >> (shadow emacsbug git-rebase tabify ert-x python etags fileloop generator >> java-ts-mode c-ts-common sh-script smie executable 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system-font-setting >> font-render-setting cairo move-toolbar gtk x-toolkit xinput2 x multi-tty >> make-network-process native-compile emacs) >> >> Memory information: >> ((conses 16 4151836 235820) >> (symbols 48 38894 35) >> (strings 32 186143 40188) >> (string-bytes 1 6165556) >> (vectors 16 121009) >> (vector-slots 8 3140568 287319) >> (floats 8 1184 5120) >> (intervals 56 274782 3076) >> (buffers 984 145)) > > Adding Philip who may have thoughts regarding ELPA structure. > > > > -- Philip Kaludercic on peregrine
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#71789; Package emacs.
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From: Jeremy Bryant <jb@HIDDEN> To: Xiyue Deng <manphiz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#71789: 29.3; Handling of nested directories of ELPA packages In-Reply-To: <8734oz478n.fsf@HIDDEN> (Xiyue Deng's message of "Wed, 26 Jun 2024 16:25:12 -0700") References: <8734oz478n.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2024 19:03:30 +0100 Message-ID: <87ikxthrm5.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_OUT X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 71789 Cc: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@HIDDEN>, 71789 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Xiyue Deng <manphiz@HIDDEN> writes: > Hi, > > I'm opening a bug to follow up the discussion at [1]. Given an ELPA > package `elpafoo' that contains another directory `elpabar' that also > holds source files, e.g. like the structure below: > > ,---- > | ~/.config/emacs/elpa/elpafoo/ > | ~/.config/emacs/elpa/elpafoo/elpafoo.el > | ~/.config/emacs/elpa/elpafoo/elpabar > | ~/.config/emacs/elpa/elpafoo/elpabar/elpabar.el > `---- > > When installing through package.el, both elpafoo.el and > elpabar/elpabar.el will be byte-compiled, but only the root source path > `~/.config/emacs/elpa/elpafoo' is added to `load-path', without any of > the nested directories. > > I wonder whether this is the intended behavior regarding `load-path' > handling. If nested directories are added, it has the advantage to > allow more fine-grained source organization; as a downside, it may > unnecessarily add more unneeded stuff and processing overhead (as > Michael pointed out at [2]), and potentially break existing code, > e.g. auctex, which seems to vendor stuff in the `style/' directories but > not loaded so it's not causing any trouble yet. > > So I wonder what is the stance of the Emacs maintainer on this subject, > or whether this is documented anywhere. Also one more step: whether > there is a recommended layout for source code organization for ELPA > packages. > > [1] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2024-05/msg00658.html > [2] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2024-05/msg01039.html > > > > In GNU Emacs 29.3 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.38, > cairo version 1.16.0) of 2024-05-20, modified by Debian built on sbuild > Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12101007 > System Description: Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm) > > Configured using: > 'configure --build x86_64-linux-gnu --prefix=/usr > --sharedstatedir=/var/lib --libexecdir=/usr/libexec > --localstatedir=/var/lib --infodir=/usr/share/info > --mandir=/usr/share/man --with-libsystemd --with-pop=yes > --enable-locallisppath=/etc/emacs:/usr/local/share/emacs/29.3/site-lisp:/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/29.3/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp > --with-sound=alsa --without-gconf --with-mailutils > --with-native-compilation --build x86_64-linux-gnu --prefix=/usr > --sharedstatedir=/var/lib --libexecdir=/usr/libexec > --localstatedir=/var/lib --infodir=/usr/share/info > --mandir=/usr/share/man --with-libsystemd --with-pop=yes > --enable-locallisppath=/etc/emacs:/usr/local/share/emacs/29.3/site-lisp:/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/29.3/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp > --with-sound=alsa --without-gconf --with-mailutils > --with-native-compilation --with-cairo --with-x=yes > --with-x-toolkit=gtk3 --with-toolkit-scroll-bars 'CFLAGS=-g -O2 > -ffile-prefix-map=/build/reproducible-path/emacs-29.3+1=. -fstack-protector-strong > -Wformat -Werror=format-security -Wall' 'CPPFLAGS=-Wdate-time > -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2' LDFLAGS=-Wl,-z,relro' > > Configured features: > ACL CAIRO DBUS FREETYPE GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS GPM GSETTINGS HARFBUZZ JPEG > JSON LCMS2 LIBOTF LIBSELINUX LIBSYSTEMD LIBXML2 M17N_FLT MODULES > NATIVE_COMP NOTIFY INOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SECCOMP SOUND SQLITE3 > THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS TREE_SITTER WEBP X11 XDBE XIM XINPUT2 > XPM GTK3 ZLIB > > Important settings: > value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8 > value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=ibus > locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix > > Major mode: Lisp Interaction > > Minor modes in effect: > global-git-commit-mode: t > magit-auto-revert-mode: t > shell-dirtrack-mode: t > windmove-mode: t > rcirc-track-minor-mode: t > server-mode: t > subword-mode: t > bug-reference-prog-mode: t > whitespace-mode: t > yas-minor-mode: t > xclip-mode: t > global-treesit-auto-mode: t > treemacs-project-follow-mode: t > treemacs-follow-mode: t > treemacs-git-mode: t > treemacs-fringe-indicator-mode: t > corfu-terminal-mode: t > corfu-popupinfo-mode: t > corfu-echo-mode: t > global-corfu-mode: t > corfu-mode: t > activities-tabs-mode: t > activities-mode: t > fido-vertical-mode: t > icomplete-vertical-mode: t > icomplete-mode: t > fido-mode: t > override-global-mode: t > global-display-line-numbers-mode: t > display-line-numbers-mode: t > global-auto-revert-mode: t > tooltip-mode: t > global-eldoc-mode: t > eldoc-mode: t > show-paren-mode: t > electric-indent-mode: t > mouse-wheel-mode: t > tool-bar-mode: t > tab-bar-mode: t > file-name-shadow-mode: t > global-font-lock-mode: t > font-lock-mode: t > blink-cursor-mode: t > column-number-mode: t > line-number-mode: t > transient-mark-mode: t > auto-composition-mode: t > auto-encryption-mode: t > auto-compression-mode: t > > Load-path shadows: > /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/elpa/debian-el-37.13/debian-autoloads hides /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/elpa/gnuplot-0.8.1/debian-autoloads > /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/elpa/magit-3.3.0/magit-section hides /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/elpa/magit-section-3.3.0/magit-section > > Features: > (shadow emacsbug git-rebase tabify ert-x python etags fileloop generator > java-ts-mode c-ts-common sh-script smie executable debian-copyright > debian-changelog-mode noutline outline shortdoc completion > debian-control-mode cl-print help-fns radix-tree tramp-cmds > gitignore-mode conf-mode tramp-container tramp-sh tramp-cache time-stamp > dockerfile-ts-mode yaml-ts-mode reporter debian-bts-control debian-bug > reveal mailalias goto-addr vterm tramp tramp-loaddefs trampver > tramp-integration files-x tramp-compat term ehelp vterm-module misearch > multi-isearch shr-color flow-fill matlab matlab-scan matlab-syntax > matlab-compat qp url-http url-gw url-auth url-queue url-cache mm-archive > sort gnus-cite mail-extr textsec uni-scripts idna-mapping ucs-normalize > uni-confusable textsec-check gnus-async gnus-bcklg gnus-ml magit-extras > eglot external-completion array jsonrpc ert ewoc debug backtrace > find-func xref pcase perl-mode face-remap magit-bookmark magit-submodule > magit-obsolete magit-blame magit-stash magit-reflog magit-bisect > magit-push magit-pull magit-fetch magit-clone magit-remote magit-commit > magit-sequence magit-notes magit-worktree magit-tag magit-merge > magit-branch magit-reset magit-files magit-refs magit-status magit > magit-repos magit-apply magit-wip magit-log which-func imenu magit-diff > smerge-mode diff git-commit log-edit add-log magit-core magit-autorevert > magit-margin magit-transient magit-process with-editor shell pcomplete > magit-mode transient format-spec magit-git magit-section magit-utils crm > dired-aux mule-util jka-compr gnus-topic cursor-sensor utf-7 nnfolder > gnus-demon nnml ezgnus gnus-delay gnus-draft gnus-agent gnus-srvr > gnus-score score-mode nnvirtual nntp gnus-cache gnus-msg gnus-art mm-uu > mml2015 mm-view mml-smime smime dig gnus-sum shr pixel-fill kinsoku > url-file svg dom nndraft nnmh gnus-group gnus-undo smtpmail gnus-start > gnus-dbus dbus xml gnus-cloud nnimap nnmail mail-source utf7 nnoo > gnus-spec gnus-int gnus-range message sendmail yank-media rfc822 mml > mml-sec mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 rfc2047 rfc2045 > ietf-drums mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader gnus-win gnus nnheader > gnus-util mail-utils range mm-util mail-prsvr windmove flyspell ispell > gnutls network-stream puny nsm epa-file epa derived epg rfc6068 > epg-config rcirc parse-time iso8601 time-date term/xterm xterm comp > comp-cstr server cap-words superword subword vc-hg vc-git diff-mode > vc-bzr vc-src vc-sccs vc-svn vc-cvs vc-rcs log-view pcvs-util vc > vc-dispatcher bug-reference disp-table whitespace yasnippet-snippets > yasnippet cus-edit cus-start wid-edit init zenburn-theme xclip > treesit-auto treesit treemacs-project-follow-mode treemacs-follow-mode > treemacs-rendering treemacs-annotations treemacs-async treemacs-visuals > treemacs-fringe-indicator pulse color treemacs-workspaces treemacs-dom > treemacs-icons treemacs-themes treemacs-scope treemacs-core-utils > treemacs-logging treemacs-customization pfuture inline ht s hl-line dash > keychain-environment exec-path-from-shell corfu-terminal popon > corfu-popupinfo corfu-echo corfu compat activities-tabs activities > persist bookmark pp edmacro kmacro advice icomplete cus-load > flymake-proc flymake project compile text-property-search comint > ansi-osc ansi-color ring warnings icons thingatpt cl-extra help-mode > use-package use-package-ensure use-package-delight use-package-diminish > use-package-bind-key bind-key easy-mmode use-package-core > display-line-numbers autorevert filenotify > keychain-environment-autoloads treesit-auto-autoloads xclip-autoloads rx > info debian-el dired dired-loaddefs finder-inf package browse-url url > url-proxy url-privacy url-expand url-methods url-history url-cookie > generate-lisp-file url-domsuf url-util mailcap url-handlers url-parse > auth-source cl-seq eieio eieio-core cl-macs password-cache json subr-x > map byte-opt gv bytecomp byte-compile url-vars cl-loaddefs cl-lib rmc > iso-transl tooltip cconv eldoc paren electric uniquify ediff-hook > vc-hooks lisp-float-type elisp-mode mwheel term/x-win x-win > term/common-win x-dnd tool-bar dnd fontset image regexp-opt fringe > tabulated-list replace newcomment text-mode lisp-mode prog-mode register > page tab-bar menu-bar rfn-eshadow isearch easymenu timer select > scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax font-core term/tty-colors > frame minibuffer nadvice seq simple cl-generic indonesian philippine > cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao > korean japanese eucjp-ms cp51932 hebrew greek romanian slovak czech > european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese composite emoji-zwj charscript > charprop case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help abbrev obarray oclosure > cl-preloaded button loaddefs theme-loaddefs faces cus-face macroexp > files window text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env > code-pages mule custom widget keymap hashtable-print-readable backquote > threads dbusbind inotify lcms2 dynamic-setting system-font-setting > font-render-setting cairo move-toolbar gtk x-toolkit xinput2 x multi-tty > make-network-process native-compile emacs) > > Memory information: > ((conses 16 4151836 235820) > (symbols 48 38894 35) > (strings 32 186143 40188) > (string-bytes 1 6165556) > (vectors 16 121009) > (vector-slots 8 3140568 287319) > (floats 8 1184 5120) > (intervals 56 274782 3076) > (buffers 984 145)) Adding Philip who may have thoughts regarding ELPA structure.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#71789; Package emacs.
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[104.172.240.218]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 98e67ed59e1d1-2c8d7e546a4sm2297858a91.6.2024.06.26.16.27.24 for <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN> (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 26 Jun 2024 16:27:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Xiyue Deng <manphiz@HIDDEN> To: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN Subject: 29.3; Handling of nested directories of ELPA packages Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2024 16:25:12 -0700 Message-ID: <8734oz478n.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::1031; envelope-from=manphiz@HIDDEN; helo=mail-pj1-x1031.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) Hi, I'm opening a bug to follow up the discussion at [1]. Given an ELPA package `elpafoo' that contains another directory `elpabar' that also holds source files, e.g. like the structure below: ,---- | ~/.config/emacs/elpa/elpafoo/ | ~/.config/emacs/elpa/elpafoo/elpafoo.el | ~/.config/emacs/elpa/elpafoo/elpabar | ~/.config/emacs/elpa/elpafoo/elpabar/elpabar.el `---- When installing through package.el, both elpafoo.el and elpabar/elpabar.el will be byte-compiled, but only the root source path `~/.config/emacs/elpa/elpafoo' is added to `load-path', without any of the nested directories. I wonder whether this is the intended behavior regarding `load-path' handling. If nested directories are added, it has the advantage to allow more fine-grained source organization; as a downside, it may unnecessarily add more unneeded stuff and processing overhead (as Michael pointed out at [2]), and potentially break existing code, e.g. auctex, which seems to vendor stuff in the `style/' directories but not loaded so it's not causing any trouble yet. So I wonder what is the stance of the Emacs maintainer on this subject, or whether this is documented anywhere. Also one more step: whether there is a recommended layout for source code organization for ELPA packages. [1] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2024-05/msg00658.html [2] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2024-05/msg01039.html In GNU Emacs 29.3 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.38, cairo version 1.16.0) of 2024-05-20, modified by Debian built on sbuild Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12101007 System Description: Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm) Configured using: 'configure --build x86_64-linux-gnu --prefix=/usr --sharedstatedir=/var/lib --libexecdir=/usr/libexec --localstatedir=/var/lib --infodir=/usr/share/info --mandir=/usr/share/man --with-libsystemd --with-pop=yes --enable-locallisppath=/etc/emacs:/usr/local/share/emacs/29.3/site-lisp:/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/29.3/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp --with-sound=alsa --without-gconf --with-mailutils --with-native-compilation --build x86_64-linux-gnu --prefix=/usr --sharedstatedir=/var/lib --libexecdir=/usr/libexec --localstatedir=/var/lib --infodir=/usr/share/info --mandir=/usr/share/man --with-libsystemd --with-pop=yes --enable-locallisppath=/etc/emacs:/usr/local/share/emacs/29.3/site-lisp:/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/29.3/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp --with-sound=alsa --without-gconf --with-mailutils --with-native-compilation --with-cairo --with-x=yes --with-x-toolkit=gtk3 --with-toolkit-scroll-bars 'CFLAGS=-g -O2 -ffile-prefix-map=/build/reproducible-path/emacs-29.3+1=. -fstack-protector-strong -Wformat -Werror=format-security -Wall' 'CPPFLAGS=-Wdate-time -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2' LDFLAGS=-Wl,-z,relro' Configured features: ACL CAIRO DBUS FREETYPE GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS GPM GSETTINGS HARFBUZZ JPEG JSON LCMS2 LIBOTF LIBSELINUX LIBSYSTEMD LIBXML2 M17N_FLT MODULES NATIVE_COMP NOTIFY INOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SECCOMP SOUND SQLITE3 THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS TREE_SITTER WEBP X11 XDBE XIM XINPUT2 XPM GTK3 ZLIB Important settings: value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8 value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=ibus locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: Lisp Interaction Minor modes in effect: global-git-commit-mode: t magit-auto-revert-mode: t shell-dirtrack-mode: t windmove-mode: t rcirc-track-minor-mode: t server-mode: t subword-mode: t bug-reference-prog-mode: t whitespace-mode: t yas-minor-mode: t xclip-mode: t global-treesit-auto-mode: t treemacs-project-follow-mode: t treemacs-follow-mode: t treemacs-git-mode: t treemacs-fringe-indicator-mode: t corfu-terminal-mode: t corfu-popupinfo-mode: t corfu-echo-mode: t global-corfu-mode: t corfu-mode: t activities-tabs-mode: t activities-mode: t fido-vertical-mode: t icomplete-vertical-mode: t icomplete-mode: t fido-mode: t override-global-mode: t global-display-line-numbers-mode: t display-line-numbers-mode: t global-auto-revert-mode: t tooltip-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t eldoc-mode: t show-paren-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t tab-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t column-number-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t Load-path shadows: /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/elpa/debian-el-37.13/debian-autoloads hides /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/elpa/gnuplot-0.8.1/debian-autoloads /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/elpa/magit-3.3.0/magit-section hides /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/elpa/magit-section-3.3.0/magit-section Features: (shadow emacsbug git-rebase tabify ert-x python etags fileloop generator java-ts-mode c-ts-common sh-script smie executable debian-copyright debian-changelog-mode noutline outline shortdoc completion debian-control-mode cl-print help-fns radix-tree tramp-cmds gitignore-mode conf-mode tramp-container tramp-sh tramp-cache time-stamp dockerfile-ts-mode yaml-ts-mode reporter debian-bts-control debian-bug reveal mailalias goto-addr vterm tramp tramp-loaddefs trampver tramp-integration files-x tramp-compat term ehelp vterm-module misearch multi-isearch shr-color flow-fill matlab matlab-scan matlab-syntax matlab-compat qp url-http url-gw url-auth url-queue url-cache mm-archive sort gnus-cite mail-extr textsec uni-scripts idna-mapping ucs-normalize uni-confusable textsec-check gnus-async gnus-bcklg gnus-ml magit-extras eglot external-completion array jsonrpc ert ewoc debug backtrace find-func xref pcase perl-mode face-remap magit-bookmark magit-submodule magit-obsolete magit-blame magit-stash magit-reflog magit-bisect magit-push magit-pull magit-fetch magit-clone magit-remote magit-commit magit-sequence magit-notes magit-worktree magit-tag magit-merge magit-branch magit-reset magit-files magit-refs magit-status magit magit-repos magit-apply magit-wip magit-log which-func imenu magit-diff smerge-mode diff git-commit log-edit add-log magit-core magit-autorevert magit-margin magit-transient magit-process with-editor shell pcomplete magit-mode transient format-spec magit-git magit-section magit-utils crm dired-aux 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