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Full text available.Received: (at 71822) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Jun 2024 08:30:38 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jun 30 04:30:37 2024 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54948 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1sNpxF-0000lL-JN for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 30 Jun 2024 04:30:37 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:57762) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1sNpxD-0000l5-LM for 71822 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 30 Jun 2024 04:30:36 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1sNpx8-0008LI-7y; Sun, 30 Jun 2024 04:30:30 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=NGxBi5UM+WrRfvyoRqb5azDkAiZzXEM/QlfHS0+9prQ=; b=VgQjbYbILgBcsRcBBOIk lxPkI01KW6lVQ+vxg+VvXrQFMCicBA9zz/pjFrFCpXgFxILESx6NiivJbUPdk9/mzLpA7i6a5gwmw yk2jUajcEdi7hFrLN0HBPytZntnylmm7p8OoN7xsUDoRMW7RtiT3qxuD+SraBN23HnqFXywjPQzYk O27pR9oxOaD4ueZMMTkRjE+GiERdy2ZozQp4Snm8ME8NM/TNJV8cmcjw5+RB/do8lfa3BV2lJUSgU K2Wv2ggXHGjZN3nRfBhDTsmRDXL8jLbP8siCn122qpKKgRZPUIgvSwC25gNnhSUQS3IloZjI/b7Nn WkpztZMooHr5iQ==; Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2024 11:30:27 +0300 Message-Id: <86sewuhly4.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Dan Jacobson <jidanni@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87r0cezvn2.3.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Dan Jacobson on Sun, 30 Jun 2024 16:23:45 +0800) Subject: Re: bug#71822: Feature request: fullwidth to halfwidth References: <87zfr5307k.3.fsf@HIDDEN> <864j9d41v4.fsf@HIDDEN> <87y16nvzvo.7.fsf@HIDDEN> <86wmm7gfys.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r0cezvn2.3.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 71822 Cc: 71822 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Dan Jacobson <jidanni@HIDDEN> > Cc: 71822 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2024 16:23:45 +0800 > > >>>>> "EZ" == Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > EZ> use cases for these commands > > All offline (I. e. all by hand), I start out with English, > > 1. Her ID number is 0987654321BA. > > I rewrite the first part in Chinese, > > 2. 她證號為 0987654321BA 。 > > But to get it into its final state, > > 3. 她證號為098... > > I need to retype each and every number and letter "all over again" (but > in fullwidth), because there is no M-<something> command to change it > for me. As you see I have given up halfway. You are saying that the keyboard and/or the input method you are using to type Chinese support characters such as 她證號為, but don't support typing wide digits like 098, is that the problem?
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Her ID number is 0987654321BA. I rewrite the first part in Chinese, 2. 她證號為 0987654321BA 。 But to get it into its final state, 3. 她證號為098... I need to retype each and every number and letter "all over again" (but in fullwidth), because there is no M-<something> command to change it for me. As you see I have given up halfway.
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charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 71822 Cc: 71822 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >>>>> "EZ" == Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> Have commands that can change wide to narrow, >> with the same ease as M-l. >> E.g., change 209M into 209M. >> and another command to do the opposite. >> OK, I guess they are called fullwidth and halfwidth. EZ> When would such commands be useful? We use them all the time in Chinese, 請由209M號門 Ugly 請由209M號門 Pretty EZ> These characters are deliberately EZ> not the same, and not just different shapes of the same letters EZ> (unlike upper-case and lower-case letters). $ unicode 209M|grep Deco Decomposition: <wide> 0032 Decomposition: <wide> 0030 Decomposition: <wide> 0039 Decomposition: <wide> 004D
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Fri, 28 Jun 2024 17:06:55 +0800 From: Dan Jacobson <jidanni@HIDDEN> To: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN Subject: Feature request: fullwidth to halfwidth Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2024 17:06:55 +0800 Message-ID: <87zfr5307k.3.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received-SPF: pass client-ip=23.83.223.164; envelope-from=jidanni@HIDDEN; helo=shrimp.cherry.relay.mailchannels.net X-Spam_score_int: -4 X-Spam_score: -0.5 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (-0.5 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06=1.592, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) M-l runs the command downcase-word. That's great. But here's a feature request: Have commands that can change wide to narrow, with the same ease as M-l. E.g., change 209M into 209M. and another command to do the opposite. OK, I guess they are called fullwidth and halfwidth.
Dan Jacobson <jidanni@HIDDEN>
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