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31.0.50; elpa.gnu.org has misleading link to bbdb source code

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Message #5 received at submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Jules Tamagnan <jtamagnan <at> gmail.com>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 31.0.50; elpa.gnu.org has misleading link to bbdb source code
Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2024 11:06:47 -0700

---

* Background

This might be expected but I found it a bit confusing so figured I would
open a bug report in case it is not expected.

The high level issue is that it seems like the elpa website is pointing
to the wrong version of the bbdb source code.

* Problem

The `bbdb` package is defined in elpa as pulling from nongnu elpa. This
can be seen here -
https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/elpa.git/tree/elpa-packages?h=main#n89

However the link to `bbdb`'s source code from the elpa website
(http://elpa.gnu.org/packages/bbdb.html) points to the gnu elpa version
of the source code:
https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/elpa.git/?h=externals/bbdb.

This causes confusion because the website does not point to the true
source code that would be installed.

This further causes confusion because both versions of `bbdb` are
extremely different notably the elpa version of bbdb contains a
`bbdb-site.el` file
(https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/elpa.git/tree/lisp/bbdb-site.el?h=externals/bbdb)
whereas the non-gnu elpa version contains a `bbdb-site.el.in` file
(https://git.savannah.nongnu.org/cgit/bbdb.git/tree/lisp/bbdb-site.el.in)

* Desired solutions

1. The elpa website should link to the bbdb source code that is defined
   in elpa-packages.
2. Both versions of the elpa source code:
   https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/elpa.git/tree/?h=externals/bbdb, and
   https://git.savannah.nongnu.org/cgit/bbdb.git/tree/, should be reconciled.

I'd be willing to tackle solution 1 and possibly solution 2 but it isn't
clear to me where the source code for the elpa website is such that it
can be modified to point to the expected URL. It also isn't clear to me
if we should be keeping both versions of the source code or consolidate
since it seems like the version on gnu.org is no longer in use.

Best,
Jules

---

In GNU Emacs 31.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version
3.24.42, cairo version 1.18.0)
Repository revision: 9cb2a2040888c28587bed2b0902d9da90720f9a0
Repository branch: master
Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12101013
System Description: NixOS 24.11 (Vicuna)

Message #8 received at 71924 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Jeremy Bryant <jb <at> jeremybryant.net>
To: Jules Tamagnan <jtamagnan <at> gmail.com>
Cc: Philip Kaludercic <philipk <at> posteo.net>, 71924 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#71924: 31.0.50; elpa.gnu.org has misleading link to bbdb
 source code
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2024 22:46:38 +0100

Jules Tamagnan <jtamagnan <at> gmail.com> writes:

> ---
>
> * Background
>
> This might be expected but I found it a bit confusing so figured I would
> open a bug report in case it is not expected.
>
> The high level issue is that it seems like the elpa website is pointing
> to the wrong version of the bbdb source code.
>
> * Problem
>
> The `bbdb` package is defined in elpa as pulling from nongnu elpa. This
> can be seen here -
> https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/elpa.git/tree/elpa-packages?h=main#n89
>
> However the link to `bbdb`'s source code from the elpa website
> (http://elpa.gnu.org/packages/bbdb.html) points to the gnu elpa version
> of the source code:
> https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/elpa.git/?h=externals/bbdb.
>
> This causes confusion because the website does not point to the true
> source code that would be installed.
>
> This further causes confusion because both versions of `bbdb` are
> extremely different notably the elpa version of bbdb contains a
> `bbdb-site.el` file
> (https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/elpa.git/tree/lisp/bbdb-site.el?h=externals/bbdb)
> whereas the non-gnu elpa version contains a `bbdb-site.el.in` file
> (https://git.savannah.nongnu.org/cgit/bbdb.git/tree/lisp/bbdb-site.el.in)
>
> * Desired solutions
>
> 1. The elpa website should link to the bbdb source code that is defined
>    in elpa-packages.
> 2. Both versions of the elpa source code:
>    https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/elpa.git/tree/?h=externals/bbdb, and
>    https://git.savannah.nongnu.org/cgit/bbdb.git/tree/, should be reconciled.
>
> I'd be willing to tackle solution 1 and possibly solution 2 but it isn't
> clear to me where the source code for the elpa website is such that it
> can be modified to point to the expected URL. It also isn't clear to me
> if we should be keeping both versions of the source code or consolidate
> since it seems like the version on gnu.org is no longer in use.
>
> Best,
> Jules
>
> ---
>
> In GNU Emacs 31.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version
> 3.24.42, cairo version 1.18.0)
> Repository revision: 9cb2a2040888c28587bed2b0902d9da90720f9a0
> Repository branch: master
> Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12101013
> System Description: NixOS 24.11 (Vicuna)

Adding Philip to this report

Message #11 received at 71924 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Jules Tamagnan <jtamagnan <at> gmail.com>
To: Jeremy Bryant <jb <at> jeremybryant.net>
Cc: Philip Kaludercic <philipk <at> posteo.net>, 71924 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#71924: 31.0.50; elpa.gnu.org has misleading link to bbdb
 source code
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2024 13:31:04 -0700

Jeremy Bryant <jb <at> jeremybryant.net> writes:

> Adding Philip to this report

Brilliant, thank you. Let me know if there is anything I can do to help
this along. I'm happy to take on fixes but am unsure how to make the
proper modifications to the ELPA website and unsure how we should go
about reconciling the differences between the versions:
 - Should we remove the non-gnu version and improve the gnu version?
 - Should we remove the gnu version and use exclusively the non-gnu
    version?
 - Should we keep both but have the source be the same?

Best,
Jules

Message #14 received at 71924 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Philip Kaludercic <philipk <at> posteo.net>
To: Jules Tamagnan <jtamagnan <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 71924 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#71924: 31.0.50; elpa.gnu.org has misleading link to bbdb
 source code
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2024 11:59:02 +0000

Jules Tamagnan <jtamagnan <at> gmail.com> writes:

> ---
>
> * Background
>
> This might be expected but I found it a bit confusing so figured I would
> open a bug report in case it is not expected.
>
> The high level issue is that it seems like the elpa website is pointing
> to the wrong version of the bbdb source code.
>
> * Problem
>
> The `bbdb` package is defined in elpa as pulling from nongnu elpa. This
> can be seen here -
> https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/elpa.git/tree/elpa-packages?h=main#n89
>
> However the link to `bbdb`'s source code from the elpa website
> (http://elpa.gnu.org/packages/bbdb.html) points to the gnu elpa version
> of the source code:
> https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/elpa.git/?h=externals/bbdb.
>
> This causes confusion because the website does not point to the true
> source code that would be installed.
>
> This further causes confusion because both versions of `bbdb` are
> extremely different notably the elpa version of bbdb contains a
> `bbdb-site.el` file
> (https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/elpa.git/tree/lisp/bbdb-site.el?h=externals/bbdb)
> whereas the non-gnu elpa version contains a `bbdb-site.el.in` file
> (https://git.savannah.nongnu.org/cgit/bbdb.git/tree/lisp/bbdb-site.el.in)
>
> * Desired solutions
>
> 1. The elpa website should link to the bbdb source code that is defined
>    in elpa-packages.

ELPA always mirrors the remote repositories, and links to this mirror,
but you can set the URL in the package header to point to whatever site
you like.

> 2. Both versions of the elpa source code:
>    https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/elpa.git/tree/?h=externals/bbdb, and
>    https://git.savannah.nongnu.org/cgit/bbdb.git/tree/, should be reconciled.

If you merge the elpa branch into your branch and then adjust what you
want, it should go through.

> I'd be willing to tackle solution 1 and possibly solution 2 but it isn't
> clear to me where the source code for the elpa website is such that it
> can be modified to point to the expected URL. It also isn't clear to me
> if we should be keeping both versions of the source code or consolidate
> since it seems like the version on gnu.org is no longer in use.

> Best,
> Jules
>
> ---
>
> In GNU Emacs 31.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version
> 3.24.42, cairo version 1.18.0)
> Repository revision: 9cb2a2040888c28587bed2b0902d9da90720f9a0
> Repository branch: master
> Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12101013
> System Description: NixOS 24.11 (Vicuna)
>
>
>
>

Jeremy Bryant <jb <at> jeremybryant.net> writes:

> Jules Tamagnan <jtamagnan <at> gmail.com> writes:
>
>> ---
>>
>> * Background
>>
>> This might be expected but I found it a bit confusing so figured I would
>> open a bug report in case it is not expected.
>>
>> The high level issue is that it seems like the elpa website is pointing
>> to the wrong version of the bbdb source code.
>>
>> * Problem
>>
>> The `bbdb` package is defined in elpa as pulling from nongnu elpa. This
>> can be seen here -
>> https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/elpa.git/tree/elpa-packages?h=main#n89
>>
>> However the link to `bbdb`'s source code from the elpa website
>> (http://elpa.gnu.org/packages/bbdb.html) points to the gnu elpa version
>> of the source code:
>> https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/elpa.git/?h=externals/bbdb.
>>
>> This causes confusion because the website does not point to the true
>> source code that would be installed.
>>
>> This further causes confusion because both versions of `bbdb` are
>> extremely different notably the elpa version of bbdb contains a
>> `bbdb-site.el` file
>> (https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/elpa.git/tree/lisp/bbdb-site.el?h=externals/bbdb)
>> whereas the non-gnu elpa version contains a `bbdb-site.el.in` file
>> (https://git.savannah.nongnu.org/cgit/bbdb.git/tree/lisp/bbdb-site.el.in)
>>
>> * Desired solutions
>>
>> 1. The elpa website should link to the bbdb source code that is defined
>>    in elpa-packages.
>> 2. Both versions of the elpa source code:
>>    https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/elpa.git/tree/?h=externals/bbdb, and
>>    https://git.savannah.nongnu.org/cgit/bbdb.git/tree/, should be reconciled.
>>
>> I'd be willing to tackle solution 1 and possibly solution 2 but it isn't
>> clear to me where the source code for the elpa website is such that it
>> can be modified to point to the expected URL. It also isn't clear to me
>> if we should be keeping both versions of the source code or consolidate
>> since it seems like the version on gnu.org is no longer in use.
>>
>> Best,
>> Jules
>>
>> ---
>>
>> In GNU Emacs 31.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version
>> 3.24.42, cairo version 1.18.0)
>> Repository revision: 9cb2a2040888c28587bed2b0902d9da90720f9a0
>> Repository branch: master
>> Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12101013
>> System Description: NixOS 24.11 (Vicuna)
>
> Adding Philip to this report
>
>
>
>

Jules Tamagnan <jtamagnan <at> gmail.com> writes:

> Jeremy Bryant <jb <at> jeremybryant.net> writes:
>
>> Adding Philip to this report
>
> Brilliant, thank you. Let me know if there is anything I can do to help
> this along. I'm happy to take on fixes but am unsure how to make the
> proper modifications to the ELPA website and unsure how we should go
> about reconciling the differences between the versions:
>  - Should we remove the non-gnu version and improve the gnu version?

FWIW this is also an option, but I think we can avoid this.

>  - Should we remove the gnu version and use exclusively the non-gnu
>     version?
>  - Should we keep both but have the source be the same?

I'd vote for this one.

> Best,
> Jules
>
>
>
>

-- 
	Philip Kaludercic on peregrine

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