Received: (at 72294) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Jul 2024 10:34:32 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jul 26 06:34:32 2024 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38841 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1sXIHQ-0003ls-8o for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 26 Jul 2024 06:34:32 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:53772) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1sXIHM-0003lZ-IN for 72294 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 26 Jul 2024 06:34:30 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1sXIH7-0006JV-Ot; Fri, 26 Jul 2024 06:34:13 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=Q54b2k2+7ROpP8EjlylJUT7ceXiqFXh3cpOYAAL9A4s=; b=nnodQVPnEF6wyHGi+RR0 pAQotKzT7bjleHiZF/eTdEq1wQS6mGLSL4LG35+c+9LJxz+qOBPLRLbn9+vs3sb3tVKb6jRTBaIbR U8KyNmqEKmtx4eItoEExh+LI1OljmwmXDPdqwcoHWwQUAJBCIAmYyUxRdCZdwm57ru+y1Bem9d/DD s5aH+Gb648E/HBDpSJH3QitcB/3SaxBHB4i9t41ahp6peANALqZg98YhJbf58E2Ed3Uq3Mk5qxTtI EJ8wZ7ILUjfSJChJ232LsZIFWhfRk25q7YsNdTs3qF0A2bmje6y5ldAgm0BQVkZcXoE0IfdLqL2U0 DEnrg7B5GcKuMA==; Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2024 13:34:07 +0300 Message-Id: <86v80s30io.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Robert Pluim <rpluim@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87wml87k7u.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Robert Pluim on Fri, 26 Jul 2024 08:15:01 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#72294: 29.2; Emacs --init-directory=... puts user-init-file elsewhere References: <5F9F4A78-8D6D-43B9-9304-641D54AF472E@HIDDEN> <868qxp47xs.fsf@HIDDEN> <8E3F46B7-A584-44FE-B3D7-A6B1D645B4D7@HIDDEN> <87wml87k7u.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 72294 Cc: spd@HIDDEN, 72294 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@HIDDEN> > Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, 72294 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2024 08:15:01 +0200 > > >>>>> On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 15:59:45 -0400, Sean Devlin <spd@HIDDEN> said: > > The emacs info file says > > ‘--init-directory’ > Specify the directory to use when looking for the Emacs init files. > > and '.emacs' is an Emacs init file, so I guess the confusion is > understandable. Maybe we should add "(except '.emacs')" to that > statement. That would be inaccurate, AFAIU. If the .emacs file is there, it will be used from that directory.
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>>>>> On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 15:59:45 -0400, Sean Devlin <spd@HIDDEN> s=
aid:
Sean> Hi,
>> I don't think this is a bug.
Sean> Fair enough.
>> May I ask why you needed to use this option? It should not be
>> generally needed.
Sean> Lately, I run Emacs from the emacs-30 branch with some local twea=
ks. I
Sean> found a bug in Org, and I was trying to reproduce it in a stable =
version
Sean> of Emacs with default configuration. The bug is in Org 9.7+, whic=
h is
Sean> newer than what ships in Emacs 29.
Sean> Since I knew I would need to install a package, I checked the man=
ual for
Sean> the command-line flags to specify the user-emacs-directory, and I=
found
Sean> the --init-directory option. I opened an instance of Emacs 29.2 w=
ith
Sean> --init-directory=3D/tmp/bug, and I installed Org via ELPA.
The emacs info file says
=E2=80=98--init-directory=E2=80=99
Specify the directory to use when looking for the Emacs init files.
and '.emacs' is an Emacs init file, so I guess the confusion is
understandable. Maybe we should add "(except '.emacs')" to that
statement.
Sean> Then, for an unrelated task, I opened an instance of my main Emacs
Sean> installation, and I was surprised to see it load without any of my
Sean> configuration. I discovered the Emacs 29 instance had written a f=
ile to
Sean> ~/.emacs, shadowing my own configuration in ~/.emacs.d/init.el. T=
hat it
Sean> wrote the user-init-file outside the user-emacs-directory I speci=
fied
Sean> was surprising to me.
HOME=3D/tmp/emacs emacs
is how I do that kind of testing.
Robert
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Fair enough. > May I ask why you needed to use this option? It should not be > generally needed. Lately, I run Emacs from the emacs-30 branch with some local tweaks. I found a bug in Org, and I was trying to reproduce it in a stable version of Emacs with default configuration. The bug is in Org 9.7+, which is newer than what ships in Emacs 29. Since I knew I would need to install a package, I checked the manual for the command-line flags to specify the user-emacs-directory, and I found the --init-directory option. I opened an instance of Emacs 29.2 with --init-directory=/tmp/bug, and I installed Org via ELPA. Then, for an unrelated task, I opened an instance of my main Emacs installation, and I was surprised to see it load without any of my configuration. I discovered the Emacs 29 instance had written a file to ~/.emacs, shadowing my own configuration in ~/.emacs.d/init.el. That it wrote the user-init-file outside the user-emacs-directory I specified was surprising to me.
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Full text available.Received: (at 72294) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Jul 2024 18:56:38 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jul 25 14:56:38 2024 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37770 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1sX3dm-0004Ln-FL for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 25 Jul 2024 14:56:38 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:55034) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1sX3dj-0004LV-PC for 72294 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 25 Jul 2024 14:56:36 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1sX3dU-0003CR-OV; Thu, 25 Jul 2024 14:56:22 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=/l3ndjMEclmQSnnK3r28aUo6YLxrbZqjHXUq3F2zRo0=; b=X3IGSK2VWmuU lB57pOj0JX2KzZa7CD5bCb/qpqOlYKYV8t0TYTwcVD9N2Be7yiRQZIEWKIg56pDh0qeQOa9YyDrBm k1DSkY0KFG4XMZ7RDuKBAvHZt7KER73Jjxk5ROJ21MFCQsmyphYkgQGx8fIjRZ/vpsu8sDn7D0mPS w0IheWskzNm8KdpJsn3ccQGwrXWYGvjM4BfkaGBxxxjhHEr99x8MUKccrH6hpVScrqeUMJsHIpRIW sWMZmJUw3+Zdl+vquTjelmkF6higgrYRo8OkTddAA0i+bUDM1DHi3QCjMQz0Iyac6rQ79Qc0+CICJ sx1VlhSAW94cgzmgZn5r8Q==; Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2024 21:56:15 +0300 Message-Id: <868qxp47xs.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Sean Devlin <spd@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <5F9F4A78-8D6D-43B9-9304-641D54AF472E@HIDDEN> (message from Sean Devlin on Thu, 25 Jul 2024 12:12:07 -0400) Subject: Re: bug#72294: 29.2; Emacs --init-directory=... puts user-init-file elsewhere References: <5F9F4A78-8D6D-43B9-9304-641D54AF472E@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 72294 Cc: 72294 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Sean Devlin <spd@HIDDEN> > Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2024 12:12:07 -0400 > > 1. emacs --init-directory=/tmp/emacs > 2. M-: user-init-file RET > > The user-init-file is ~/.emacs, despite the flag to use /tmp/emacs as > the init directory. > > Maybe this is intended behavior, but I found it confusing. The manual > says this about the flag: > > "Specify the directory to use when looking for the Emacs init files." > > I interpreted this to mean all init files, including the user-init-file. That option sets user-emacs-directory, it doesn't directly affect user-init-file. Emacs by default sets user-emacs-directory to the directory where it actually finds the init file. This option overrides that. > A workaround is to create /tmp/emacs/init.el before starting Emacs: > > 1. mkdir -p /tmp/emacs > 2. touch /tmp/emacs/init.el > 3. emacs --init-directory=/tmp/emacs It isn't a workaround, it's how you should do it. I don't think this is a bug. The search for init file and the setting of user-emacs-directory that follows are complex issues, not easily explained in a few words. May I ask why you needed to use this option? It should not be generally needed.
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Hi folks,
Recipe:
1. emacs --init-directory=/tmp/emacs
2. M-: user-init-file RET
The user-init-file is ~/.emacs, despite the flag to use /tmp/emacs as
the init directory.
Maybe this is intended behavior, but I found it confusing. The manual
says this about the flag:
"Specify the directory to use when looking for the Emacs init files."
I interpreted this to mean all init files, including the user-init-file.
A workaround is to create /tmp/emacs/init.el before starting Emacs:
1. mkdir -p /tmp/emacs
2. touch /tmp/emacs/init.el
3. emacs --init-directory=/tmp/emacs
Thanks!
In GNU Emacs 29.2 (build 1, aarch64-apple-darwin21.6.0, NS
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