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I ran into an odd issue... the workaround is easy enough but the issue is=
=20weird.
In case this relevant, my grep coms from git bash.  (which I think is mos=
tly Cygwin? (or maybe msys2??))
Anyway, grep -P doesn't work if no LC vars are set, and complains that it=
=20only works in unibyte locales or UTF-8.
Normally, the git bash mintty launcher sets LC_CTYPE to en_us.UTF-8 but n=
ot if I bypass the launcher and run grep directly.
Here's the weird part, if I ask /usr/bin/locale what LC_TYPE "should" be,=
=20it says C.UTF-8.
If I run grep with C.UTF-8 then it also works.  So it must be deriving a =
default locale an different way.
But how?

Thanks for any pointers.
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I ran into an odd issue&#8230; the workaround is e=
asy enough but the issue is weird.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">In case this relevant, my grep coms from git bash.=
=20&nbsp;(which I think is mostly Cygwin? (or maybe msys2??))<o:p></o:p><=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Anyway, grep -P doesn&#8217;t work if no LC vars a=
re set, and complains that it only works in unibyte locales or UTF-8.<o:p=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Normally, the git bash mintty launcher sets LC_CTY=
PE to en_us.UTF-8 but not if I bypass the launcher and run grep directly.=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Here&#8217;s the weird part, if I ask /usr/bin/loc=
ale what LC_TYPE &#8220;should&#8221; be, it says C.UTF-8.<o:p></o:p></p>=

<p class=3D"MsoNormal">If I run grep with C.UTF-8 then it also works.&nbs=
p; So it must be deriving a default locale an different way.<o:p></o:p></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">But how?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks for any pointers.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Mark.<o:p></o:p></p>
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On 2024-08-08 05:53, mark.yagnatinsky--- via Bug reports for GNU grep wrote:
> I ran into an odd issue... the workaround is easy enough but the issue is weird.
> In case this relevant, my grep coms from git bash.  (which I think is mostly Cygwin? (or maybe msys2??))
> Anyway, grep -P doesn't work if no LC vars are set, and complains that it only works in unibyte locales or UTF-8.
> Normally, the git bash mintty launcher sets LC_CTYPE to en_us.UTF-8 but not if I bypass the launcher and run grep directly.
> Here's the weird part, if I ask /usr/bin/locale what LC_TYPE "should" be, it says C.UTF-8.
> If I run grep with C.UTF-8 then it also works.  So it must be deriving a default locale an different way.

My guess is that your default environment says that it supports UTF-8, 
but it doesn't support it well enough to pass grep's test; see 
grep/lib/localeinfo.c's is_using_utf8. If my guess is right, you may be 
encountering subtle bugs in programs other than grep.

When you say "I run grep with C.UTF-8" how exactly do you do that?

Is there any difference in output between these two shell commands?

localeinfo
LC_ALL=C.UTF-8 localeinfo

If you have a debugger, you might look into why is_using_utf8 returns 
false in your default locale.

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On 2024-08-08 12:24, mark.yagnatinsky@HIDDEN wrote:
> Re: how am I doing that ... via bash, just like the way you suggested I run "locale" the second time:
> LC_CTYPE=C.UTF-8 grep -P needle haystack.txt  # just CTYPE seems to be enough, no need for ALL

As an aside, I wouldn't mess with LC_CTYPE independently. One can get 
into trouble if the LC_CTYPE locale disagrees with the others. However, 
I don't think that's your problem.


> Re: is_using_utf8 ... It relies on mbrtowc, which in turn relies on the current locale.
> It seems that this function should NEVER return false in a UTF-8 locale.

Correct.

> But how does grep decide what the locale even is?
> Presumably it must call setlocale at some point, or else it would be using the C locale, which is surely a unibyte locale.

Correct, it calls 'setlocale (LC_ALL, "")' first thing.


> is there any good way to find out what locale it actually got "resolved" to?

You could modify the source code to add a call like this:

    fprintf (stderr, "grep: locale is %s\n", setlocale (LC_ALL, 0));

after the earlier call to setlocale. Or you could run 'setlocale 
(LC_ALL, 0)' in a debugger.

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On 2024-08-09 14:59, mark.yagnatinsky@HIDDEN wrote:
> Re: debugger: will that work if grep wasn't built with debug symbols?

Only if you're reasonably experienced with machine code. It's not fun, 
but it's doable.

You could write your own little test program that simply does 'setlocale 
(LC_ALL, "")' followed by the fprintf code I sent you earlier, and debug 
that or see what it does.

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On 2024-08-09 15:08, mark.yagnatinsky@HIDDEN wrote:
> I don't suppose you have a Windows machine with git installed conveniently lying around by any chance?
> (I have one lying around, but not conveniently.)

Nope, don't do MS-Windows.

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