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In a PGTK build of Emacs running on KDE Wayland (versions are below) the
position of a frame and the size of the workarea are wrong. These work
correctly in non-PGTK builds. For example, (frame-edges nil
'outer-edges) returns (0 0 752 840), even though the top-left of the
frame is not over pixel 0,0. In a call to (frame-monitor-attributes) the
geometry and workarea dimensions are the same. The workarea is correctly
reported as smaller in non-PGTK builds.

I'd prefer that these be fixed, but if not they ought to be documented
in etc/PROBLEMS.

In GNU Emacs 31.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version
 3.24.43, cairo version 1.18.0) of 2024-09-08 built on dmk-laptop-23
Repository revision: 4073c624376148d469a27a7c487a9b2f49d5352a
Repository branch: master
System Description: Fedora Linux 41 (KDE Plasma Prerelease)

Configured using:
 'configure 'CFLAGS=-O2 -march=native' --without-pop
 --with-native-compilation --with-pgtk'

Configured features:
ACL CAIRO DBUS FREETYPE GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS GPM GSETTINGS HARFBUZZ JPEG
LCMS2 LIBOTF LIBSELINUX LIBSYSTEMD LIBXML2 MODULES NATIVE_COMP NOTIFY
INOTIFY PDUMPER PGTK PNG RSVG SECCOMP SOUND SQLITE3 THREADS TIFF
TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS TREE_SITTER WEBP XIM GTK3 ZLIB

Important settings:
  value of $LC_COLLATE: C
  value of $LC_MONETARY: en_US.UTF-8
  value of $LC_NUMERIC: en_US.UTF-8
  value of $LC_TIME: C
  value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8
  value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=none
  locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix

Major mode: Info

Minor modes in effect:
  global-hi-lock-mode: t
  hi-lock-mode: t
  which-function-mode: t
  global-ligature-mode: t
  ligature-mode: t
  tooltip-mode: t
  global-eldoc-mode: t
  show-paren-mode: t
  mouse-wheel-mode: t
  file-name-shadow-mode: t
  isearch-fold-quotes-mode: t
  global-font-lock-mode: t
  font-lock-mode: t
  minibuffer-regexp-mode: t
  buffer-read-only: t
  column-number-mode: t
  line-number-mode: t
  transient-mark-mode: t
  auto-composition-mode: t
  auto-encryption-mode: t
  auto-compression-mode: t

Load-path shadows:

 The problem occurs with a -Q run, no need for my load path details.

Features:
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> From: David Koppelman <koppel@HIDDEN>
> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2024 13:24:04 -0500
> 
> In a PGTK build of Emacs running on KDE Wayland (versions are below) the
> position of a frame and the size of the workarea are wrong. These work
> correctly in non-PGTK builds. For example, (frame-edges nil
> 'outer-edges) returns (0 0 752 840), even though the top-left of the
> frame is not over pixel 0,0. In a call to (frame-monitor-attributes) the
> geometry and workarea dimensions are the same. The workarea is correctly
> reported as smaller in non-PGTK builds.
> 
> I'd prefer that these be fixed, but if not they ought to be documented
> in etc/PROBLEMS.

Po Lu, any comments?

ISTR that we already know about this issue, but for some reason I
cannot find it in PROBLEMS or anywhere else.  What did I miss?

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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:

>> From: David Koppelman <koppel@HIDDEN>
>> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2024 13:24:04 -0500
>> 
>> In a PGTK build of Emacs running on KDE Wayland (versions are below) the
>> position of a frame and the size of the workarea are wrong. These work
>> correctly in non-PGTK builds. For example, (frame-edges nil
>> 'outer-edges) returns (0 0 752 840), even though the top-left of the
>> frame is not over pixel 0,0. In a call to (frame-monitor-attributes) the
>> geometry and workarea dimensions are the same. The workarea is correctly
>> reported as smaller in non-PGTK builds.
>> 
>> I'd prefer that these be fixed, but if not they ought to be documented
>> in etc/PROBLEMS.
>
> Po Lu, any comments?
>
> ISTR that we already know about this issue, but for some reason I
> cannot find it in PROBLEMS or anywhere else.  What did I miss?

It's impossible to extract these values on Wayland because the protocol
is engineered to withhold them from programs.  There are entries for
similar protocol limitations in etc/PROBLEMS (e.g. warping or locating
the mouse pointer), but not the unavailability of frame geometry or
workspace dimensions.

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> From: Po Lu <luangruo@HIDDEN>
> Cc: David Koppelman <koppel@HIDDEN>,  73207 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2024 20:08:41 +0800
> 
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
> 
> >> From: David Koppelman <koppel@HIDDEN>
> >> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2024 13:24:04 -0500
> >> 
> >> In a PGTK build of Emacs running on KDE Wayland (versions are below) the
> >> position of a frame and the size of the workarea are wrong. These work
> >> correctly in non-PGTK builds. For example, (frame-edges nil
> >> 'outer-edges) returns (0 0 752 840), even though the top-left of the
> >> frame is not over pixel 0,0. In a call to (frame-monitor-attributes) the
> >> geometry and workarea dimensions are the same. The workarea is correctly
> >> reported as smaller in non-PGTK builds.
> >> 
> >> I'd prefer that these be fixed, but if not they ought to be documented
> >> in etc/PROBLEMS.
> >
> > Po Lu, any comments?
> >
> > ISTR that we already know about this issue, but for some reason I
> > cannot find it in PROBLEMS or anywhere else.  What did I miss?
> 
> It's impossible to extract these values on Wayland because the protocol
> is engineered to withhold them from programs.  There are entries for
> similar protocol limitations in etc/PROBLEMS (e.g. warping or locating
> the mouse pointer), but not the unavailability of frame geometry or
> workspace dimensions.

Can you please add this to PROBLEMS on the release branch?

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