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Hello!
Ludovic Court=C3=A8s <ludo@HIDDEN> writes:
> Antero Mejr <mail@HIDDEN> skribis:
>
>> * gnu/home/services/desktop.scm (home-dbus-service-type)[extensions]:
>> Extend home-profile-service-type to add dbus-launch and other such
>> utilities to the home profile.
>>
>> Change-Id: I9a3dc00d52b66c327f4eae523bddf758bddddb9e
>
> I must say I don=E2=80=99t fully understand the use case of
> =E2=80=98home-dbus-service-type=E2=80=99 since usually the user=E2=80=99s=
dbus session is
> started automatically, on demand (for example, spawning pulseaudio will
> automatically start a dbus session if it=E2=80=99s not already running).
>
> Often I find that for such services we don=E2=80=99t necessarily want to
> =E2=80=9Cclutter=E2=80=9D the user=E2=80=99s profile with low-level tools=
such as =E2=80=98dbus-launch=E2=80=99
> in this case. But I=E2=80=99m not sure here.
>
> Could you explain? What=E2=80=99s the point of =E2=80=98home-dbus-servic=
e-type=E2=80=99? :-)
This is an interesting question that you are asking. For me, and the
first two years with Guix, I never had a proper running dbus session
when running, first with i3, and then with sway from there on. It would
work with GNOME. But I'd never hang around there for long and I learned
to live without dbus that would produce strange effects in strange
situations.
It only happened after I migrated to Guix Home and enabling
home-dbus-service-type that I finally had a fully functioning
environment with dbus. It solved so many problems since and I never
fully understood why I was missing dbus in the first place. It either
never either launched properly -- which I doubt, since applications like
pulseaudio where running --, or I had never sourced some variables
properly.
To answer your question: This service is quite the requirement to have a
desktop environment that is not based on the bigger variants that
usually provide it.
Kind regards
--=20
Simon
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* gnu/home/services/desktop.scm (home-dbus-service-type)[extensions]:
Extend home-profile-service-type to add dbus-launch and other such
utilities to the home profile.
Change-Id: I9a3dc00d52b66c327f4eae523bddf758bddddb9e
---
Please ignore the last patch, it had a typo in the commit message.
gnu/home/services/desktop.scm | 5 ++++-
1 file changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
diff --git a/gnu/home/services/desktop.scm b/gnu/home/services/desktop.scm
index 679ba31c0f..6d8ac275ca 100644
--- a/gnu/home/services/desktop.scm
+++ b/gnu/home/services/desktop.scm
@@ -327,7 +327,10 @@ (define home-dbus-service-type
(list (service-extension home-shepherd-service-type
home-dbus-shepherd-services)
(service-extension home-environment-variables-service-type
- home-dbus-environment-variables)))
+ home-dbus-environment-variables)
+ (service-extension home-profile-service-type
+ (lambda (config)
+ (list (home-dbus-dbus config))))))
(default-value (home-dbus-configuration))
(description
"Run the session-specific D-Bus inter-process message bus.")))
base-commit: ecc95ecd399ce7917a19ae3e687ea1a92caf830a
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* gnu/home/services/sound.scm (home-dbus-service-type)[extensions]:
Extend home-profile-service-type to add dbus-launch and other such
utilities to the home profile.
Change-Id: I9a3dc00d52b66c327f4eae523bddf758bddddb9e
---
gnu/home/services/desktop.scm | 5 ++++-
1 file changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
diff --git a/gnu/home/services/desktop.scm b/gnu/home/services/desktop.scm
index 679ba31c0f..6d8ac275ca 100644
--- a/gnu/home/services/desktop.scm
+++ b/gnu/home/services/desktop.scm
@@ -327,7 +327,10 @@ (define home-dbus-service-type
(list (service-extension home-shepherd-service-type
home-dbus-shepherd-services)
(service-extension home-environment-variables-service-type
- home-dbus-environment-variables)))
+ home-dbus-environment-variables)
+ (service-extension home-profile-service-type
+ (lambda (config)
+ (list (home-dbus-dbus config))))))
(default-value (home-dbus-configuration))
(description
"Run the session-specific D-Bus inter-process message bus.")))
base-commit: ecc95ecd399ce7917a19ae3e687ea1a92caf830a
--
2.46.0
Antero Mejr <mail@HIDDEN>:guix-patches@HIDDEN.
Full text available.guix-patches@HIDDEN:bug#73296; Package guix-patches.
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