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charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 73688 Cc: 73688 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, marc@HIDDEN, monnier@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Sun, Dec 1, 2024 at 10:25=E2=80=AFAM Nikolay Kudryavtsev <nikolay.kudryavtsev@HIDDEN> wrote: > > Well, that's your call here. No, it's not. It's just my opinion :-)
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([2a02:2168:b20b:5100:6db3:3ad4:d38d:d23b]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 38308e7fff4ca-2ffdfbb9068sm8876531fa.1.2024.12.01.02.25.37 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 01 Dec 2024 02:25:38 -0800 (PST) From: Nikolay Kudryavtsev <nikolay.kudryavtsev@HIDDEN> X-Google-Original-From: Nikolay Kudryavtsev <Nikolay.Kudryavtsev@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <beae92e5-5c99-4ad8-9466-ec49c9426687@HIDDEN> Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2024 13:25:35 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: bug#73688: [PATCH] electric-pair-mode - preserve balance in conservative mode To: =?UTF-8?B?Sm/Do28gVMOhdm9yYQ==?= <joaotavora@HIDDEN>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> References: <strbxUpiHLEBcdvnR5RNZ6as2JFO7eJLPozPoOwUtbdrCSFbwemRPZka9CEZY9tQd50hXePnWQNAycYZevfS3TPqyddaWfTc6kTcoxfpMAI=@soda.fm> <jwvplnyn0f4.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <funmhnoKdk7mBk-FC8okHkJWgn7iqnXer7vL2ItxFNSiNl0EDSLHDR6wu9kvKi9qurJ853fAGILXsVl8SYW6MTFlJ8RX1Mdsa-8fjkiQd_Q=@soda.fm> <jwvbjz6so79.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <86v7wwn4lz.fsf@HIDDEN> <6eb1f1cd-80dd-4fec-bebc-9d361321000d@HIDDEN> <jwvpln4z9nr.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <a5b4ad5c-2bbe-4400-bcbd-ffd234d1c693@HIDDEN> <865xoem96o.fsf@HIDDEN> <8e331068-57e1-4375-8ccb-10eb83648986@HIDDEN> <86frn981ix.fsf@HIDDEN> <CALDnm52P+PNY01rehdCHEP=p4sSv6f6SJ9i_uzMeOTAVeC9bMw@HIDDEN> Content-Language: ru, en-US In-Reply-To: <CALDnm52P+PNY01rehdCHEP=p4sSv6f6SJ9i_uzMeOTAVeC9bMw@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 73688 Cc: 73688 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, marc@HIDDEN, monnier@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Well, that's your call here. But let me try and restate why I think there's a real problem. If we go at it from the perspective of a user who has no knowledge of electric-pair-mode internals, but now has the idea that the he wants a before-word predicate. A quick look through variables would allow him to discover the existence of electric-pair-inhibit-predicate. And just by the name alone it sounds like exactly the right thing. But unfortunately if the user looks into electric-pair-default-inhibit he'd notice that it wraps around either electric-pair-inhibit-if-helps-balance or electric-pair-conservative-inhibit. So, now the user needs to know what those functions actually do and whether anything would break if he removes them and replaces them with his own. Or a more careless user(like me) would roll out his own predicate and only then notice that it broke some advanced behavior. In the end, a reasonable user who just wants to add a simple thing is now burdened by all the cognitive load of learning numerous functions and use cases. Thus electric-pair-inhibit-predicate in it's current state is not something really user-customizable, but more of an Emacs internal. As for the add-function option, I think relying on those as the first option goes against the Emacs philosophy of providing real customizability wherever possible and avoiding littering the manuals(and user inits) with dirty hacks like this as a much as possible. Also, just from the user standpoint, in the above case the same user would probably go for add-function only after he already noticed that the electric-pair-inhibit-predicate is inadequate for his purposes.
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charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 73688 Cc: 73688 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, marc@HIDDEN, Nikolay Kudryavtsev <nikolay.kudryavtsev@HIDDEN>, monnier@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 10:22=E2=80=AFAM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote= : > > Implementing it would lead to deprecating > > electric-pair-inhibit-predicate(should be still working though for X > > major versions), and beyond this use-case there doesn't seem to be that > > many other use cases for inhibit-predicates anyway. But this would give > > us a lot more flexibility for whenever they appear, since this seems to > > be the proper solution here. > > Stefan and Jo=C3=A3o, any comments or suggestions? I see some talk of multiple ORd predicates, and deprecating electric-pair-i= -p saying it's not flexible, and I don't think that's true. I don't think it's a good idea to hardcode in some intermediate level of just-what-I-want customization when there are already two levels: - a relatively blunt customization-based one that fits a majority of users, - a finer-grained powerful based on Elisp add-function one that fits very specific needs. To me that's a good example of Alan Kay's =E2=80=9CSimple things should be simple; complex things should be possible.". So I think it's a better idea to add snippet examples to the documentation that describe how to achieve these complex things. Jo=C3=A3o
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Implementing it would lead to deprecating electric-pair-inhibit-predicate(should be still working though for X major versions), and beyond this use-case there doesn't seem to be that many other use cases for inhibit-predicates anyway. But this would give us a lot more flexibility for whenever they appear, since this seems to be the proper solution here.
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> Not 100% sure about this, but I'm probably not the first person to think
> that a single predicate design just does not work here in a satisfying
> manner and it should be electric-pair-inhibit-predicates and then the end
> user can tweak them as needed.
But then we'd have to hard-code whether the predicates are AND'ed or
OR'ed together. In contrast the current design lets you choosing between
`(add-function :before-until ...)` and `(add-function :before-while ...)`.
Stefan
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([2a02:2168:b20b:5100:683:d2c3:f768:ca4]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 38308e7fff4ca-2ff179d85e3sm10034791fa.116.2024.11.09.02.30.56 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 09 Nov 2024 02:30:57 -0800 (PST) From: Nikolay Kudryavtsev <nikolay.kudryavtsev@HIDDEN> X-Google-Original-From: Nikolay Kudryavtsev <Nikolay.Kudryavtsev@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <6eb1f1cd-80dd-4fec-bebc-9d361321000d@HIDDEN> Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2024 13:30:53 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: bug#73688: [PATCH] electric-pair-mode - preserve balance in conservative mode To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, Marc Soda <marc@HIDDEN>, Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> References: <strbxUpiHLEBcdvnR5RNZ6as2JFO7eJLPozPoOwUtbdrCSFbwemRPZka9CEZY9tQd50hXePnWQNAycYZevfS3TPqyddaWfTc6kTcoxfpMAI=@soda.fm> <jwvplnyn0f4.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <funmhnoKdk7mBk-FC8okHkJWgn7iqnXer7vL2ItxFNSiNl0EDSLHDR6wu9kvKi9qurJ853fAGILXsVl8SYW6MTFlJ8RX1Mdsa-8fjkiQd_Q=@soda.fm> <jwvbjz6so79.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <86v7wwn4lz.fsf@HIDDEN> Content-Language: en-US, ru In-Reply-To: <86v7wwn4lz.fsf@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 73688 Cc: 73688 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) I'm another person interested in exactly this feature. Had a similar rough hack in my init, though I didn't notice that electric-pair-conservative-inhibit mostly works... Not 100% sure about this, but I'm probably not the first person to think that a single predicate design just does not work here in a satisfying manner and it should be electric-pair-inhibit-predicates and then the end user can tweak them as needed.
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>> IOW, why do you use `electric-pair-conservative-inhibit` if you care
>> about preserving global balance?
>
> Fair enough. To answer your question, I want the other things you have
> listed in `electric-pair-conservative-inhibit`. In particular, the
> line commented "I also find it often preferable not to pair next to
> a word." is very valuable to me. However, I can solve my issue pretty
> easily by adding something like the following to my init.el:
>
> (setq electric-pair-inhibit-predicate
> ;; Also inhibit if the pair would balanced
> (lambda (char)
> (or (electric-pair-conservative-inhibit char)
> (electric-pair-inhibit-if-helps-balance char))))
I see, I think you can get the same result with
(add-function :before-until electric-pair-inhibit-predicate
#'electric-pair-conservative-inhibit)
But maybe it would make sense to add a third value to
`electric-pair-preserve-balance` to get the behavior you describe.
> The reason I submitted the patch is because is took me several years
> to get irritated enough to dig in and fix it for myself! :) Also, like
> I said above, it seemed non-intuitive. Thanks for considering, but
> feel free to disregard.
Do you have an idea of how/where we could change some of the
documentation to avoid that kind of problem in the future?
Stefan
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> That's a feature.
>
> IOW, why do you use `electric-pair-conservative-inhibit` if you care
> about preserving global balance?
Fair enough. To answer your question, I want the other things you have list=
ed in `electric-pair-conservative-inhibit`. In particular, the line comment=
ed "I also find it often preferable not to pair next to a word." is very va=
luable to me. However, I can solve my issue pretty easily by add something =
like the following to my init.el:
(setq electric-pair-inhibit-predicate
;; Also inhibit if the pair would balanced
(lambda (char)
(or (electric-pair-conservative-inhibit char)
(electric-pair-inhibit-if-helps-balance char))))
The reason I submitted the patch is because is took me several years to get=
irritated enough to dig in and fix it for myself! :) Also, like I said abo=
ve, it seemed non-intuitive. Thanks for considering, but feel free to disre=
gard.
Are there any improvements you want made here? Only asking because I curren=
tly have the context.
Thanks,
Marc
On Thursday, October 17th, 2024 at 12:48 PM, Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN=
ontreal.ca> wrote:
>=20
>=20
> > When using electric-pair-mode, electric-pair-conservative-inhibit
>=20
> > doesn't respect electric-pair-preserve-balance.
>=20
>=20
> That's a feature.
> At least that was for me the main reason to have
> `electric-pair-conservative-inhibit`, i.e. so the behavior does not
> depend on the global paren balance of the whole buffer (both because it
> can be costly to compute and because it can be difficult to predict for
> the user).
>=20
> IOW, why do you use `electric-pair-conservative-inhibit` if you care
> about preserving global balance?
>=20
>=20
> Stefan
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> When using electric-pair-mode, electric-pair-conservative-inhibit
> doesn't respect electric-pair-preserve-balance.
That's a feature.
At least that was for me the main reason to have
`electric-pair-conservative-inhibit`, i.e. so the behavior does not
depend on the global paren balance of the whole buffer (both because it
can be costly to compute and because it can be difficult to predict for
the user).
IOW, why do you use `electric-pair-conservative-inhibit` if you care
about preserving global balance?
Stefan
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For example, type out a > > string, go to the beginning of the line, type ", go to the end of the > > line, and type ". You are left with "foo"". (Exact keys from the start > > of a line are fooC-a"C-e", if that's more clear.) I would expect to be > > left with "foo" instead. > > > > This is easy to resolve in your init file (after some digging), but I > > think the current behavior is non-intuitive. > > > > Please consider the attached patch. > > Jo=C3=A3o, do you have any comments? This is not reproducible here, but then again this isn't an Emacs -Q recipe. What major-mode? In my *scratch* buffer, if I type f o o C-a " C-e " , as Marc seems to suggest, I am left with ""foo"" as the contents, which is a balanced situation. I do not expect to have: "foo" To get that, I would need to have typed " with the region active. Jo=C3=A3o
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Thanks for = catching. I attached a clean version. Marc On Saturday, October 12th, 2024 at 8:21 AM, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wr= ote: >=20 >=20 > > Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2024 03:10:54 +0000 >=20 > > From: Marc Soda marc@HIDDEN > >=20 > > When using electric-pair-mode, electric-pair-conservative-inhibit > > doesn't respect electric-pair-preserve-balance. For example, type out a > > string, go to the beginning of the line, type ", go to the end of the > > line, and type ". You are left with "foo"". (Exact keys from the start > > of a line are fooC-a"C-e", if that's more clear.) 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