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23.2; "Salutation" should not actually be included in bug mails

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From: Robin Green <greenrd <at> greenrd.org>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 23.2; "Salutation" should not actually be included in bug mails
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 13:23:10 +0000

This bug report will be sent to the Free Software Foundation,
not to your local site managers!
Please write in English if possible, because the Emacs maintainers
usually do not have translators to read other languages for them.

Your bug report will be posted to the bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org mailing list,
and to the gnu.emacs.bug news group.

Please describe exactly what actions triggered the bug
and the precise symptoms of the bug.  If you can, give
a recipe starting from `emacs -Q':

I submitted a bug report using M-x org-submit-bug-report.

The so-called "salutation" of a bug report sent via reporter-submit-bug-report
is - in this case - not useful to those who read the email - it is only intended to be
read by the person *writing* the email. So, it should not be included in the
email. But it was.

If Emacs crashed, and you have the Emacs process in the gdb debugger,
please include the output from the following gdb commands:
    `bt full' and `xbacktrace'.
For information about debugging Emacs, please read the file
/usr/share/emacs/23.2/etc/DEBUG.


In GNU Emacs 23.2.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.22.0)
 of 2010-11-18 on cspcnh.swan.ac.uk
Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.60900000
configured using `configure  '--prefix=/usr' '--host=i686-pc-linux-gnu' '--build=i686-pc-linux-gnu' '--mandir=/usr/share/man' '--infodir=/usr/share/info' '--datadir=/usr/share' '--docdir=/usr/share/doc/emacs-23.2-r1' '--sysconfdir=/etc' '--localstatedir=/var/lib' '--disable-dependency-tracking' '--disable-silent-rules' '--enable-fast-install' '--libdir=/usr/lib' '--infodir=/usr/share/info/emacs' '--without-kerberos' '--without-kerberos5' '--without-hesiod' '--without-m17n-flt' '--without-xim' '--with-x' '--without-sound' '--with-xft' '--with-x-toolkit=gtk' '--with-toolkit-scroll-bars' '--without-libotf' '--with-rsvg' '--with-dbus' '--without-gconf' '--with-gif' '--without-gpm' '--with-jpeg' '--with-png' '--without-tiff' '--with-xpm' 'build_alias=i686-pc-linux-gnu' 'host_alias=i686-pc-linux-gnu' 'CC=i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc' 'CFLAGS=-march=native -pipe -O2' 'CPP=cpp''

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Message #8 received at 7459 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: Robin Green <greenrd <at> greenrd.org>
Cc: 7459 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#7459: 23.2;
	"Salutation" should not actually be included in bug mails
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 01:51:08 -0500

Robin Green wrote:

> This bug report will be sent to the Free Software Foundation,
> not to your local site managers!
> Please write in English if possible, because the Emacs maintainers
> usually do not have translators to read other languages for them.
[...]
> I submitted a bug report using M-x org-submit-bug-report.
>
> The so-called "salutation" of a bug report sent via
> reporter-submit-bug-report is - in this case - not useful to those
> who read the email - it is only intended to be read by the person
> *writing* the email. So, it should not be included in the email.

Are you asking for the addition of a general, optional feature to
reporter.el, or asking specifically about Org mode? (Presumably the
former else you would have used... M-x org-submit-bug-report.)

Either way, it is a very low priority request. M-x report-emacs-bug
has supposedly had this feature for a long time, yet people often
defeat it somehow (as you did in this report). It's never seemed very
important.

Message #11 received at 7459 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Robin Green <greenrd <at> greenrd.org>
To: 7459 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#7459: 23.2;
	"Salutation" should not actually be included in bug mails
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 08:49:36 +0000

At Mon, 22 Nov 2010 01:51:08 -0500,
Glenn Morris wrote:
> Are you asking for the addition of a general, optional feature to
> reporter.el, or asking specifically about Org mode? (Presumably the
> former else you would have used... M-x org-submit-bug-report.)

The former, yes.
 
> Either way, it is a very low priority request. M-x report-emacs-bug
> has supposedly had this feature for a long time, yet people often
> defeat it somehow (as you did in this report).

I didn't intentionally defeat it. I use wanderlust - that's probably why.

> It's never seemed very
> important.

OK, I'll just delete the salutation myself in future.
-- 
Robin

Message #14 received at 7459 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: Robin Green <greenrd <at> greenrd.org>
Cc: 7459 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#7459: 23.2;
	"Salutation" should not actually be included in bug mails
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 19:46:25 -0500

Robin Green wrote:

> I didn't intentionally defeat it. I use wanderlust - that's probably why.

Definitely - only the "built-in" mail clients are supported.
Maybe you could propose a patch for report-emacs-bug. This is the
relevant section:

    (cond ((memq mail-user-agent '(message-user-agent gnus-user-agent))
           (setq report-emacs-bug-send-command "message-send-and-exit"
                 report-emacs-bug-send-hook 'message-send-hook))
          ((eq mail-user-agent 'sendmail-user-agent)
           (setq report-emacs-bug-send-command "mail-send-and-exit"
                 report-emacs-bug-send-hook 'mail-send-hook))
          ((eq mail-user-agent 'mh-e-user-agent)
           (setq report-emacs-bug-send-command "mh-send-letter"
                 report-emacs-bug-send-hook 'mh-before-send-letter-hook)))

Though I'm not actually sure whether it would be appropriate and/or
worth it to handle other mail clients here.

Message #17 received at 7459 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Robin Green <greenrd <at> greenrd.org>
Cc: 7459 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#7459: 23.2; "Salutation" should not actually be included in
 bug mails
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2021 19:55:01 +0200

Robin Green <greenrd <at> greenrd.org> writes:

> This bug report will be sent to the Free Software Foundation,
> not to your local site managers!
> Please write in English if possible, because the Emacs maintainers
> usually do not have translators to read other languages for them.

[...]

> The so-called "salutation" of a bug report sent via reporter-submit-bug-report
> is - in this case - not useful to those who read the email - it is only intended to be
> read by the person *writing* the email. So, it should not be included in the
> email. But it was.

(I'm going through old bug reports that unfortunately weren't
resolved at the time.)

By default, it's removed -- but if you copy the text over to a different
mail client, it won't be removed.

But I think we can ensure that this removal happens (more often) if we
use `kill-transform-function' (for instance) to stop the salutation from
going to the kill ring in the first place.

On the other hand, this sounds like it might be pretty confusing -- not
being able to copy the text you're seeing in the buffer.

Anybody got any opinions here?

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

Message #22 received at 7459 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Robin Green <greenrd <at> greenrd.org>
Cc: 7459 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#7459: 23.2; "Salutation" should not actually be included in
 bug mails
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2021 20:05:13 +0200

Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:

> But I think we can ensure that this removal happens (more often) if we
> use `kill-transform-function' (for instance) to stop the salutation from
> going to the kill ring in the first place.
>
> On the other hand, this sounds like it might be pretty confusing -- not
> being able to copy the text you're seeing in the buffer.

I had forgotten that these days we use a `display' property for the
salutation, so you can copy it just fine, but (for instance) saving it
to a file makes it go away...

And so does copying and pasting, so I think this basically behaves the
way it's supposed to these days, and I'm closing this bug report.  If
there's still problems in this area, please respond to the debbugs
address and we'll reopen.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

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