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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN>
To: Jared Finder <jared@HIDDEN>
Subject: Re: bug#74833: 31.0.50; Copy to OS clipboard doesn't work in macOS
Terminal.app with xterm-mouse-mode enabled
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> +(defconst xterm--auto-xt-mouse-allowed-names
> + (mapconcat (lambda (s) (concat "^" s "\\>"))
> + '("Konsole"
> + "WezTerm"
> + ;; "XTerm" ;Disabled because OSC52 support is opt-in only.
> + "iTerm2" ;OSC52 support has opt-in/out UI on first usage
> + "kitty")
> + "\\|")
Sounds good, tho I'd use
(concat "\\`" (regexp-opt '(...)) "\\>")
> +(defconst xterm--auto-xt-mouse-allowed-types
> + (mapconcat (lambda (s) (concat "^" s "$"))
> + '("alacritty"
> + "contour")
> + "\\|")
Same here (with \` and \')
> + "Like `xterm--auto-xt-mouse-allowed-names', but for the terminal's type.
> +This will get matched against the environment variable \"TERM\".")
We should clarify if it's an "and" or an "or": if only one of
the two vars matches, is the feature enabled or not?
> @@ -907,7 +963,15 @@ xterm--init
>
> (when xterm-set-window-title
> (xterm--init-frame-title))
> - (when xterm-mouse-mode
> + (when (and (not xterm-mouse-mode-called)
> + ;; Only automatically enable xterm mouse on terminals
> + ;; confirmed to still support all critical editing
> + ;; workflows (bug#74833).
> + (or (string-match-p xterm--auto-xt-mouse-allowed-types
> + (tty-type (selected-frame)))
> + (and-let* ((name-and-version (xterm--query-name-and-version)))
> + (string-match-p xterm--auto-xt-mouse-allowed-names
> + name-and-version))))
> (xterm-mouse-mode 1))
> ;; Unconditionally enable bracketed paste mode: terminals that don't
> ;; support it just ignore the sequence.
- The above enables `xterm-mouse-mode` which will
then proceed to *not* obey `xterm--auto-xt-mouse-allowed-*` on any
further ttys used in the same session.
IOW, I think the above test belongs in
`turn-on-xterm-mouse-tracking-on-terminal` rather than here.
- Maybe instead of `xterm-mouse-mode-called` we should test
(eq xterm-mouse-mode 'when-safe)
or maybe rename the var to something more explicit like
`xterm-mouse-mode-only-when-safe`.
- Of course, the previous code was also very weird:
(when xterm-mouse-mode (xterm-mouse-mode 1))
says to enable the mode, but only when it's already enabled?!
Stefan
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#74833; Package emacs.
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This LGTM, but please modify this comment: > > > >> +(defun xterm--query-name-and-version () > >> + "Get the terminal name and version string (XTVERSION)." > >> + ;; The default timeout time causes a noticeable startup delay on > >> + ;; terminals that ignore the query. > >> + (let ((xterm-query-timeout 0.1)) > > > > to the effect that we use non-default value of 0.1 because the default > > (larger) value causes a noticeable startup delay. It took me a few > > seconds to understand the intent; initially I thought that you were > > describing what happens when 0.1 is used. > > > >> I also noticed outdated text in the docstring for xterm-mouse-mode and > >> attached a second patch to delete that text. > >> [...] > >> -Turn it on to use Emacs mouse commands, and off to use xterm mouse > >> commands. > >> -This works in terminal emulators compatible with xterm. It only > >> -works for simple uses of the mouse. Basically, only non-modified > >> -single clicks are supported. When turned on, the normal xterm > >> -mouse functionality for such clicks is still available by holding > >> -down the SHIFT key while pressing the mouse button." > >> +Turn it on to use Emacs mouse commands, and off to use xterm mouse > >> +commands. This works in terminal emulators compatible with xterm. > >> When > >> +turned on, the normal xterm mouse functionality for such clicks is > >> still > >> +available by holding down the SHIFT key while pressing the mouse > >> button." > > > > This is also okay, but please add to the doc strings a reference to > > sterm--init where we verify that the terminal is compatible with > > xterm-mouse-mode. > > Comments addressed. I've collapsed both patches down to one (it was > easier for me). Thanks, installed on master, and closing the bug.
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This LGTM, but please modify this comment: > >> +(defun xterm--query-name-and-version () >> + "Get the terminal name and version string (XTVERSION)." >> + ;; The default timeout time causes a noticeable startup delay on >> + ;; terminals that ignore the query. >> + (let ((xterm-query-timeout 0.1)) > > to the effect that we use non-default value of 0.1 because the default > (larger) value causes a noticeable startup delay. It took me a few > seconds to understand the intent; initially I thought that you were > describing what happens when 0.1 is used. > >> I also noticed outdated text in the docstring for xterm-mouse-mode and >> attached a second patch to delete that text. >> [...] >> -Turn it on to use Emacs mouse commands, and off to use xterm mouse >> commands. >> -This works in terminal emulators compatible with xterm. It only >> -works for simple uses of the mouse. Basically, only non-modified >> -single clicks are supported. When turned on, the normal xterm >> -mouse functionality for such clicks is still available by holding >> -down the SHIFT key while pressing the mouse button." >> +Turn it on to use Emacs mouse commands, and off to use xterm mouse >> +commands. This works in terminal emulators compatible with xterm. >> When >> +turned on, the normal xterm mouse functionality for such clicks is >> still >> +available by holding down the SHIFT key while pressing the mouse >> button." > > This is also okay, but please add to the doc strings a reference to > sterm--init where we verify that the terminal is compatible with > xterm-mouse-mode. Comments addressed. 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bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#74833; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 74833) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jan 2025 08:10:53 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 02 03:10:53 2025 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42652 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1tTGI9-0003GI-2c for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 02 Jan 2025 03:10:53 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:52392) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1tTGI4-0003G0-TR for 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 02 Jan 2025 03:10:51 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1tTGHz-0003Ea-5A; Thu, 02 Jan 2025 03:10:43 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=fB8oNZiFf48dnN1YDBY2+LqvPJRq7nh5q0I0P3CJNd8=; b=ZB+jjD3JB3JV 6mA9Gaj9ladGG/Ic+LlDmCPzNpjGhWWmHiN0U2FtX6SI809ypTk6x+v+eyhdmy6UehspAkHZVIRR3 Y/PmBs4qnaXRDZjvX5tmWPlY1Am98awfOjXdNwDC3ysb7PLkX6CPICjRBDf76I3DGECprH2z7GOto CTZJ6b1e8vITPEEO48H2BX1JjCJmltYCe7R+RDAYHruzXBXl/yYO4CsNaqf1dGlpmyYmVZJYtKS1E GnsDHIBqym814WGJIx5o1+RY9crUttwYghgzNZj17zPNQojjxVpkcwCa7bVDJHPDfdZe8WIyVIP+/ tR79uuKQSuI5vYYvzoStmg==; Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2025 10:10:34 +0200 Message-Id: <867c7dljph.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Jared Finder <jared@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <83cf221bcf4fc4162c7401b9146d1961@HIDDEN> (message from Jared Finder on Wed, 01 Jan 2025 23:10:14 -0800) Subject: Re: bug#74833: 31.0.50; Copy to OS clipboard doesn't work in macOS Terminal.app with xterm-mouse-mode enabled References: <m1cyhweqhe.fsf@HIDDEN> <8634iszpa5.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1Hbr1k9vOBfB_rSxOTPnB51wM_w132hG7k_1Y61FkBDs=tQ@HIDDEN> <86y10ky9wf.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1HbrAA9HuGp-VFfQUbFLfu87B=2u6xYKs-=RR64p4Z7Ozfw@HIDDEN> <86wmg4xd2u.fsf@HIDDEN> <m1y10jo81o.fsf@HIDDEN> <86y10jwmsb.fsf@HIDDEN> <m1msgznx20.fsf@HIDDEN> <86ldwiwvjc.fsf@HIDDEN> <m2ldwi8uvx.fsf@HIDDEN> <m1pllrtwq1.fsf@HIDDEN> <m2jzbzfscp.fsf@HIDDEN> <m1v7vjsavb.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1Hbo03URNb5dUVgiX8ofzrYiWG9VtB3AF9pjGvRxrMgyYDQ@HIDDEN> <86ed27pfhj.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1HbqqUoa1KK4xNGz1CO7mrmk=NTnFei1Fr8qchccbLqC2Zg@HIDDEN> <86a5cvpeiv.fsf@HIDDEN> <m2seqndlx7.fsf@HIDDEN> <86y10eo5h6.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1HbqZE9TbEPdvZWK-r__K5y0=S4qJ_DCZaauVM=ioFRaBhQ@HIDDEN> <986a3eea465e13c57bcdd7ce8f27f99d@HIDDEN> <CAN+1HbonZyoWHHp6bpQvKYjyvV71ieACCZo4HeonZR_5+VxwcQ@HIDDEN> <E1tPDuC-0001ET-J1@HIDDEN> <864j2w6tz0.fsf@HIDDEN> <861pxy5zxk.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1Hbp5MACbrKo3KTo5G0CXDo0v3kwSxes=Z3ZfJLsp-QB5Qg@HIDDEN> <86jzbq4i6x.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1HbrZ=7x=FW8w5yd3RXf=gPcAdUHyyQXg31VuVPv1_uqgeg@HIDDEN> <86frme4exq.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1Hbq0B-4aPQw3ar9yjntE=tmL7jWayyTT_r0Kmh35vs0SmA@HIDDEN> <ca51f813c6ef2977fa17d7129cd633cb@HIDDEN> <865xn5y2n0.fsf@HIDDEN> <5e102d7d29eba618874c0b41e9815b8d@HIDDEN> <86ldw0ur0h.fsf@HIDDEN> <eb5002c5d1b62da9501b7033295a6070@HIDDEN> <86h66nq7vh.fsf@HIDDEN> <83cf221bcf4fc4162c7401b9146d1961@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 74833 Cc: gerd.moellmann@HIDDEN, 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, fgunbin@HIDDEN, shipmints@HIDDEN, rms@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2025 23:10:14 -0800 > From: Jared Finder <jared@HIDDEN> > Cc: shipmints@HIDDEN, rms@HIDDEN, gerd.moellmann@HIDDEN, > fgunbin@HIDDEN, 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > On 2024-12-28 23:13, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > >> Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2024 21:16:28 -0800 > >> From: Jared Finder <jared@HIDDEN> > >> Cc: shipmints@HIDDEN, rms@HIDDEN, gerd.moellmann@HIDDEN, > >> fgunbin@HIDDEN, 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > >> > >> I'm proposing to add a single regexp that matches against the terminal > >> name and version string. If there's a match, automatically enable > >> xterm-mouse-mode. For terminals that aren't supported or don't support > >> "\e[>0q", leave xterm-mouse-mode as is. No other complexity is needed. > >> A > >> user can always customize xterm-mouse-mode (it's a user option) if > >> they > >> want to enable it anyways. > > > > Sounds okay, but can you post a patch to try? > > Patch attached. Thanks. This LGTM, but please modify this comment: > +(defun xterm--query-name-and-version () > + "Get the terminal name and version string (XTVERSION)." > + ;; The default timeout time causes a noticeable startup delay on > + ;; terminals that ignore the query. > + (let ((xterm-query-timeout 0.1)) to the effect that we use non-default value of 0.1 because the default (larger) value causes a noticeable startup delay. It took me a few seconds to understand the intent; initially I thought that you were describing what happens when 0.1 is used. > I also noticed outdated text in the docstring for xterm-mouse-mode and > attached a second patch to delete that text. > [...] > -Turn it on to use Emacs mouse commands, and off to use xterm mouse commands. > -This works in terminal emulators compatible with xterm. It only > -works for simple uses of the mouse. Basically, only non-modified > -single clicks are supported. When turned on, the normal xterm > -mouse functionality for such clicks is still available by holding > -down the SHIFT key while pressing the mouse button." > +Turn it on to use Emacs mouse commands, and off to use xterm mouse > +commands. This works in terminal emulators compatible with xterm. When > +turned on, the normal xterm mouse functionality for such clicks is still > +available by holding down the SHIFT key while pressing the mouse button." This is also okay, but please add to the doc strings a reference to sterm--init where we verify that the terminal is compatible with xterm-mouse-mode.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#74833; Package emacs.
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If there's a match, automatically enable >> xterm-mouse-mode. For terminals that aren't supported or don't support >> "\e[>0q", leave xterm-mouse-mode as is. No other complexity is needed. >> A >> user can always customize xterm-mouse-mode (it's a user option) if >> they >> want to enable it anyways. > > Sounds okay, but can you post a patch to try? Patch attached. 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Full text available.Received: (at 74833) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Dec 2024 07:14:11 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Dec 29 02:14:11 2024 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53595 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1tRnV4-000771-P6 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Dec 2024 02:14:11 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:39910) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1tRnV2-00076i-V6 for 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Dec 2024 02:14:10 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1tRnUx-00080B-6w; Sun, 29 Dec 2024 02:14:03 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=wyj2PKvy43Nq4MSLnBCJtKto+8C3kCaHfgdEWvYYg48=; b=OunCYu7FB7nK oQiyBiPzuF9dMiTAqkSODK3DlKwtubJVglF7neXTe9aBX2TZ1D7098MzvAzeMf08wu0oYVd+Fckwx YmIwosH0OQxAPDCPpk41lbjKQcmZ1hYCifQyPunNrj18tPJTnLYF0RTauY7xOR3r5K4WeKfjcjGF9 zyE25cXR2wtebkGH1ff6QXqI7/sRhtxwJHbjILgk7suP4eZsmXW6Jo4vDz7dax/x94S5Id6gYBJfr 8CG1XdSGZ0SAEzKdG5HZXwUfSg/QnjOmYXOXrijTpUG9mhGCX0LucoSz06mf6Iwor41pkORVyupnJ LRagT/6CJMKgMs45IezHYA==; Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2024 09:13:38 +0200 Message-Id: <86h66nq7vh.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Jared Finder <jared@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <eb5002c5d1b62da9501b7033295a6070@HIDDEN> (message from Jared Finder on Sat, 28 Dec 2024 21:16:28 -0800) Subject: Re: bug#74833: 31.0.50; Copy to OS clipboard doesn't work in macOS Terminal.app with xterm-mouse-mode enabled References: <m1cyhweqhe.fsf@HIDDEN> <8634iszpa5.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1Hbr1k9vOBfB_rSxOTPnB51wM_w132hG7k_1Y61FkBDs=tQ@HIDDEN> <86y10ky9wf.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1HbrAA9HuGp-VFfQUbFLfu87B=2u6xYKs-=RR64p4Z7Ozfw@HIDDEN> <86wmg4xd2u.fsf@HIDDEN> <m1y10jo81o.fsf@HIDDEN> <86y10jwmsb.fsf@HIDDEN> <m1msgznx20.fsf@HIDDEN> <86ldwiwvjc.fsf@HIDDEN> <m2ldwi8uvx.fsf@HIDDEN> <m1pllrtwq1.fsf@HIDDEN> <m2jzbzfscp.fsf@HIDDEN> <m1v7vjsavb.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1Hbo03URNb5dUVgiX8ofzrYiWG9VtB3AF9pjGvRxrMgyYDQ@HIDDEN> <86ed27pfhj.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1HbqqUoa1KK4xNGz1CO7mrmk=NTnFei1Fr8qchccbLqC2Zg@HIDDEN> <86a5cvpeiv.fsf@HIDDEN> <m2seqndlx7.fsf@HIDDEN> <86y10eo5h6.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1HbqZE9TbEPdvZWK-r__K5y0=S4qJ_DCZaauVM=ioFRaBhQ@HIDDEN> <986a3eea465e13c57bcdd7ce8f27f99d@HIDDEN> <CAN+1HbonZyoWHHp6bpQvKYjyvV71ieACCZo4HeonZR_5+VxwcQ@HIDDEN> <E1tPDuC-0001ET-J1@HIDDEN> <864j2w6tz0.fsf@HIDDEN> <861pxy5zxk.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1Hbp5MACbrKo3KTo5G0CXDo0v3kwSxes=Z3ZfJLsp-QB5Qg@HIDDEN> <86jzbq4i6x.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1HbrZ=7x=FW8w5yd3RXf=gPcAdUHyyQXg31VuVPv1_uqgeg@HIDDEN> <86frme4exq.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1Hbq0B-4aPQw3ar9yjntE=tmL7jWayyTT_r0Kmh35vs0SmA@HIDDEN> <ca51f813c6ef2977fa17d7129cd633cb@HIDDEN> <865xn5y2n0.fsf@HIDDEN> <5e102d7d29eba618874c0b41e9815b8d@HIDDEN> <86ldw0ur0h.fsf@HIDDEN> <eb5002c5d1b62da9501b7033295a6070@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 74833 Cc: gerd.moellmann@HIDDEN, 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, fgunbin@HIDDEN, shipmints@HIDDEN, rms@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2024 21:16:28 -0800 > From: Jared Finder <jared@HIDDEN> > Cc: shipmints@HIDDEN, rms@HIDDEN, gerd.moellmann@HIDDEN, > fgunbin@HIDDEN, 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > I'm proposing to add a single regexp that matches against the terminal > name and version string. If there's a match, automatically enable > xterm-mouse-mode. For terminals that aren't supported or don't support > "\e[>0q", leave xterm-mouse-mode as is. No other complexity is needed. A > user can always customize xterm-mouse-mode (it's a user option) if they > want to enable it anyways. Sounds okay, but can you post a patch to try?
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Full text available.Received: (at 74833) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Dec 2024 05:16:36 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Dec 29 00:16:36 2024 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53444 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1tRlfE-0000xr-Q9 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Dec 2024 00:16:36 -0500 Received: from greenhill.hpalace.com ([192.155.80.58]:33318) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <jared@HIDDEN>) id 1tRlfB-0000xc-T5 for 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Dec 2024 00:16:31 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=finder.org; s=2018; t=1735449388; bh=17q4R2lyXRaPbxcnGXqG2c7twHLvqPRPbdjGnj9m49M=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=tWcj7ca37GVck8Oxkch1znYkLW71xEjZrnsIpzEiiF6cKF9cAtoZqh6RvSZvWY6cY Cj7xMko09lP/u4EjqYwkqrOq2OJpT0Mfpwf6wyDpWfYt0+y6nOEBQVA1bnWQxJqSjv J7nxh9PDICBUHka8dMmUgeF8AyKLFTUIOk+RsTXzr2rIDqpWbV1bO2EQGcawtkSO4i JMm2I27UCoNq7w0K6Odhm5p/UkkYl60VSNw3LQfO+VOLWSgKAZwDX5Z3V50cJNoImJ hlXYWXuHiLlwsT0LcNZp75q/qKpE9vjl72CUF2SM1XWp5vTR/5Sd0bXQbXvaDCPNDD kvAqkT7cWlqxA== Received: from mail.finder.org (unknown [192.155.80.58]) by greenhill.hpalace.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BD2EA3C8; Sun, 29 Dec 2024 05:16:28 +0000 (UTC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2024 21:16:28 -0800 From: Jared Finder <jared@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#74833: 31.0.50; Copy to OS clipboard doesn't work in macOS Terminal.app with xterm-mouse-mode enabled In-Reply-To: <86ldw0ur0h.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <m1cyhweqhe.fsf@HIDDEN> <8634iszpa5.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1Hbr1k9vOBfB_rSxOTPnB51wM_w132hG7k_1Y61FkBDs=tQ@HIDDEN> <86y10ky9wf.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1HbrAA9HuGp-VFfQUbFLfu87B=2u6xYKs-=RR64p4Z7Ozfw@HIDDEN> <86wmg4xd2u.fsf@HIDDEN> <m1y10jo81o.fsf@HIDDEN> <86y10jwmsb.fsf@HIDDEN> <m1msgznx20.fsf@HIDDEN> <86ldwiwvjc.fsf@HIDDEN> <m2ldwi8uvx.fsf@HIDDEN> <m1pllrtwq1.fsf@HIDDEN> <m2jzbzfscp.fsf@HIDDEN> <m1v7vjsavb.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1Hbo03URNb5dUVgiX8ofzrYiWG9VtB3AF9pjGvRxrMgyYDQ@HIDDEN> <86ed27pfhj.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1HbqqUoa1KK4xNGz1CO7mrmk=NTnFei1Fr8qchccbLqC2Zg@HIDDEN> <86a5cvpeiv.fsf@HIDDEN> <m2seqndlx7.fsf@HIDDEN> <86y10eo5h6.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1HbqZE9TbEPdvZWK-r__K5y0=S4qJ_DCZaauVM=ioFRaBhQ@HIDDEN> <986a3eea465e13c57bcdd7ce8f27f99d@HIDDEN> <CAN+1HbonZyoWHHp6bpQvKYjyvV71ieACCZo4HeonZR_5+VxwcQ@HIDDEN> <E1tPDuC-0001ET-J1@HIDDEN> <864j2w6tz0.fsf@HIDDEN> <861pxy5zxk.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1Hbp5MACbrKo3KTo5G0CXDo0v3kwSxes=Z3ZfJLsp-QB5Qg@HIDDEN> <86jzbq4i6x.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1HbrZ=7x=FW8w5yd3RXf=gPcAdUHyyQXg31VuVPv1_uqgeg@HIDDEN> <86frme4exq.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1Hbq0B-4aPQw3ar9yjntE=tmL7jWayyTT_r0Kmh35vs0SmA@HIDDEN> <ca51f813c6ef2977fa17d7129cd633cb@HIDDEN> <865xn5y2n0.fsf@HIDDEN> <5e102d7d29eba618874c0b41e9815b8d@HIDDEN> <86ldw0ur0h.fsf@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <eb5002c5d1b62da9501b7033295a6070@HIDDEN> X-Sender: jared@HIDDEN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 74833 Cc: gerd.moellmann@HIDDEN, 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, fgunbin@HIDDEN, shipmints@HIDDEN, rms@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.3 (/) On 2024-12-28 00:54, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2024 23:08:27 -0800 >> From: Jared Finder <jared@HIDDEN> >> Cc: shipmints@HIDDEN, rms@HIDDEN, gerd.moellmann@HIDDEN, >> fgunbin@HIDDEN, 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org >> >> >> What if we only auto-enabled xterm-mouse-mode on OSC52 compatible >> >> terminals? >> > >> > On OSC52 compatible terminals, or on OSC52 compatible terminals that >> > define TERM to xterm-like string? The latter sounds like a good idea >> > to me, but only if support for OSC52 necessarily means xterm-mouse >> > escape sequences must be supported. Is this conjecture indeed true? >> >> I'm proposing Emacs have a manually curated allow list for now for >> auto-enabling xterm-mouse-mode. Being OSC52 compatible gets us the >> copy >> / paste issue this bug mentioned. We can add other conditions going >> forward. > > What would this allow list specify, and in what terms? > > When reading your proposal above, I thought we have a means of testing > the OSC52 support, but now you seem to be saying that this support > should be somehow specified by a database of terminals we maintain? > ANd if so, the question of detecting a non-xterm terminal that sets > TERM to xterm but doesn't support OSC52 still stands, doesn't it? Yes, that's right. Unfortunately we are limited in two ways: 1. Setting TERM to xterm is commonly done by alternative terminals, even though they do not fully support all of xterm's functionality. I'd estimate that over 80% of alternative terminals just set TERM to xterm-256color. This includes the default terminals for Mac (Terminal.app), Windows (Windows Terminal), GNOME (GNOME Terminal), and KDE (Konsole). 2. There is no way to check if OSC52 is supported. >> >> Between $TERM and the results from the terminal escape >> >> sequence "ESC [ > 0 q", Emacs can have high confidence if it is >> >> running >> >> on an OSC52 compatible terminal. I checked against most of the >> >> terminals >> >> mentioned at >> >> https://can-i-use-terminal.github.io/features/osc52copy.html I just >> >> wasn't able to test Foot (Wayland-only), hterm (Chromebook-only), >> >> mintty >> >> (Cygwin-only), or xterm.js (I have no idea how to test). >> > >> > How do I check this? can you show some script or Lisp or whatever you >> > used to check? >> >> Run the following lisp code in Emacs: >> >> (progn >> (send-string-to-terminal "\e[>0q") >> (let ((str "") >> chr) >> (while (setq chr (xterm--read-event-for-query)) >> (setq str (concat str (string chr)))) >> str)) >> >> You should get the string "\eP>|terminal name and version\e\\". For >> example, under iTerm2 I get iTerm2 3.5.10 as the terminal name and >> version and under Kitty I get kitty(0.38.1). > > And if the terminal does NOT support OSC52, what should I expect to > happen? I'm proposing to add a single regexp that matches against the terminal name and version string. If there's a match, automatically enable xterm-mouse-mode. For terminals that aren't supported or don't support "\e[>0q", leave xterm-mouse-mode as is. No other complexity is needed. A user can always customize xterm-mouse-mode (it's a user option) if they want to enable it anyways. -- MJF
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Full text available.Received: (at 74833) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Dec 2024 08:54:40 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 28 03:54:40 2024 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48728 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1tRSam-0000Ec-1R for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2024 03:54:40 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:50264) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1tRSaj-0000EH-5z for 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 28 Dec 2024 03:54:37 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1tRSad-0005bv-Or; Sat, 28 Dec 2024 03:54:31 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=KIaOUYxrVUcIZQLygh9pJrOQHZNaeES3+3cvxxGqlMs=; b=DPVxOEllA74g 4F6MoHZ7V5vpKPEg9SMm1J7NhTARo0knrDF4nL1p/tRnqUEkUhXiEVNIIoVUBv/ENXodQJHArv/qB 08yicE3yWrAmRNXy0S691AywvZzS1EyrKtUJh0rIPRRNuqCJurZc1KwIXF4PGBYAq+W9gxrRUbalr BXznGiQdAxvwF09g3M378oKa59LEmPb20BizHZbpurWAQ3dt8Z4uJ7IzoOtBHJ336iR0/vzU4XR+X zIj6UyVvu4D9tjsDKrTvrJBz+PATpkXe77Bf5pjKvUkEmdswT6kBuhaeQMwVr7+ARlDI4Nd8nbVoI B6MGSh34WkKoTuH8pLJupw==; Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2024 10:54:22 +0200 Message-Id: <86ldw0ur0h.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Jared Finder <jared@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <5e102d7d29eba618874c0b41e9815b8d@HIDDEN> (message from Jared Finder on Fri, 27 Dec 2024 23:08:27 -0800) Subject: Re: bug#74833: 31.0.50; Copy to OS clipboard doesn't work in macOS Terminal.app with xterm-mouse-mode enabled References: <m1cyhweqhe.fsf@HIDDEN> <8634iszpa5.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1Hbr1k9vOBfB_rSxOTPnB51wM_w132hG7k_1Y61FkBDs=tQ@HIDDEN> <86y10ky9wf.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1HbrAA9HuGp-VFfQUbFLfu87B=2u6xYKs-=RR64p4Z7Ozfw@HIDDEN> <86wmg4xd2u.fsf@HIDDEN> <m1y10jo81o.fsf@HIDDEN> <86y10jwmsb.fsf@HIDDEN> <m1msgznx20.fsf@HIDDEN> <86ldwiwvjc.fsf@HIDDEN> <m2ldwi8uvx.fsf@HIDDEN> <m1pllrtwq1.fsf@HIDDEN> <m2jzbzfscp.fsf@HIDDEN> <m1v7vjsavb.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1Hbo03URNb5dUVgiX8ofzrYiWG9VtB3AF9pjGvRxrMgyYDQ@HIDDEN> <86ed27pfhj.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1HbqqUoa1KK4xNGz1CO7mrmk=NTnFei1Fr8qchccbLqC2Zg@HIDDEN> <86a5cvpeiv.fsf@HIDDEN> <m2seqndlx7.fsf@HIDDEN> <86y10eo5h6.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1HbqZE9TbEPdvZWK-r__K5y0=S4qJ_DCZaauVM=ioFRaBhQ@HIDDEN> <986a3eea465e13c57bcdd7ce8f27f99d@HIDDEN> <CAN+1HbonZyoWHHp6bpQvKYjyvV71ieACCZo4HeonZR_5+VxwcQ@HIDDEN> <E1tPDuC-0001ET-J1@HIDDEN> <864j2w6tz0.fsf@HIDDEN> <861pxy5zxk.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1Hbp5MACbrKo3KTo5G0CXDo0v3kwSxes=Z3ZfJLsp-QB5Qg@HIDDEN> <86jzbq4i6x.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1HbrZ=7x=FW8w5yd3RXf=gPcAdUHyyQXg31VuVPv1_uqgeg@HIDDEN> <86frme4exq.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1Hbq0B-4aPQw3ar9yjntE=tmL7jWayyTT_r0Kmh35vs0SmA@HIDDEN> <ca51f813c6ef2977fa17d7129cd633cb@HIDDEN> <865xn5y2n0.fsf@HIDDEN> <5e102d7d29eba618874c0b41e9815b8d@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -1.6 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 74833 Cc: gerd.moellmann@HIDDEN, 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, fgunbin@HIDDEN, shipmints@HIDDEN, rms@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) > Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2024 23:08:27 -0800 > From: Jared Finder <jared@HIDDEN> > Cc: shipmints@HIDDEN, rms@HIDDEN, gerd.moellmann@HIDDEN, > fgunbin@HIDDEN, 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > >> What if we only auto-enabled xterm-mouse-mode on OSC52 compatible > >> terminals? > > > > On OSC52 compatible terminals, or on OSC52 compatible terminals that > > define TERM to xterm-like string? The latter sounds like a good idea > > to me, but only if support for OSC52 necessarily means xterm-mouse > > escape sequences must be supported. Is this conjecture indeed true? > > I'm proposing Emacs have a manually curated allow list for now for > auto-enabling xterm-mouse-mode. Being OSC52 compatible gets us the copy > / paste issue this bug mentioned. We can add other conditions going > forward. What would this allow list specify, and in what terms? When reading your proposal above, I thought we have a means of testing the OSC52 support, but now you seem to be saying that this support should be somehow specified by a database of terminals we maintain? ANd if so, the question of detecting a non-xterm terminal that sets TERM to xterm but doesn't support OSC52 still stands, doesn't it? > >> Between $TERM and the results from the terminal escape > >> sequence "ESC [ > 0 q", Emacs can have high confidence if it is > >> running > >> on an OSC52 compatible terminal. I checked against most of the > >> terminals > >> mentioned at > >> https://can-i-use-terminal.github.io/features/osc52copy.html I just > >> wasn't able to test Foot (Wayland-only), hterm (Chromebook-only), > >> mintty > >> (Cygwin-only), or xterm.js (I have no idea how to test). > > > > How do I check this? can you show some script or Lisp or whatever you > > used to check? > > Run the following lisp code in Emacs: > > (progn > (send-string-to-terminal "\e[>0q") > (let ((str "") > chr) > (while (setq chr (xterm--read-event-for-query)) > (setq str (concat str (string chr)))) > str)) > > You should get the string "\eP>|terminal name and version\e\\". For > example, under iTerm2 I get iTerm2 3.5.10 as the terminal name and > version and under Kitty I get kitty(0.38.1). And if the terminal does NOT support OSC52, what should I expect to happen?
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On 2024-12-27 00:02, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2024 15:51:14 -0800
>> From: Jared Finder <jared@HIDDEN>
>> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, rms@HIDDEN,
>> gerd.moellmann@HIDDEN,
>> fgunbin@HIDDEN, 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
>>
>> On 2024-12-23 11:43, Ship Mints wrote:
>> > On Mon, Dec 23, 2024 at 4:07 PM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote:
>> >>> From: Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN>
>> >>>
>> >>> Away from a computer, but I think this is still the same in 0.82
>> >>> these days and I assume you're using modern
>> >>> ssh.
>> >>>
>> >>> https://serverfault.com/a/819740
>> >>
>> >> OK, so does this mean we want to tell PuTTY users to configure this in
>> >> some specific way that Emacs can recognize?
>> >
>> > Still away from a computer. If you can set a variable using that method
>> > and have it pass through for you to test in lisp, then it would be a
>> > good idea to recommend. We could suggest using TERM_PROGRAM and setting
>> > it to "Putty".
>>
>> What if we only auto-enabled xterm-mouse-mode on OSC52 compatible
>> terminals?
>
> On OSC52 compatible terminals, or on OSC52 compatible terminals that
> define TERM to xterm-like string? The latter sounds like a good idea
> to me, but only if support for OSC52 necessarily means xterm-mouse
> escape sequences must be supported. Is this conjecture indeed true?
I'm proposing Emacs have a manually curated allow list for now for
auto-enabling xterm-mouse-mode. Being OSC52 compatible gets us the copy
/ paste issue this bug mentioned. We can add other conditions going
forward.
>> Between $TERM and the results from the terminal escape
>> sequence "ESC [ > 0 q", Emacs can have high confidence if it is
>> running
>> on an OSC52 compatible terminal. I checked against most of the
>> terminals
>> mentioned at
>> https://can-i-use-terminal.github.io/features/osc52copy.html I just
>> wasn't able to test Foot (Wayland-only), hterm (Chromebook-only),
>> mintty
>> (Cygwin-only), or xterm.js (I have no idea how to test).
>
> How do I check this? can you show some script or Lisp or whatever you
> used to check?
Run the following lisp code in Emacs:
(progn
(send-string-to-terminal "\e[>0q")
(let ((str "")
chr)
(while (setq chr (xterm--read-event-for-query))
(setq str (concat str (string chr))))
str))
You should get the string "\eP>|terminal name and version\e\\". For
example, under iTerm2 I get iTerm2 3.5.10 as the terminal name and
version and under Kitty I get kitty(0.38.1).
-- MJF
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If you can set a variable using that method > > and have it pass through for you to test in lisp, then it would be a > > good idea to recommend. We could suggest using TERM_PROGRAM and setting > > it to "Putty". > > What if we only auto-enabled xterm-mouse-mode on OSC52 compatible > terminals? On OSC52 compatible terminals, or on OSC52 compatible terminals that define TERM to xterm-like string? The latter sounds like a good idea to me, but only if support for OSC52 necessarily means xterm-mouse escape sequences must be supported. Is this conjecture indeed true? > Between $TERM and the results from the terminal escape > sequence "ESC [ > 0 q", Emacs can have high confidence if it is running > on an OSC52 compatible terminal. I checked against most of the terminals > mentioned at > https://can-i-use-terminal.github.io/features/osc52copy.html I just > wasn't able to test Foot (Wayland-only), hterm (Chromebook-only), mintty > (Cygwin-only), or xterm.js (I have no idea how to test). How do I check this? can you show some script or Lisp or whatever you used to check? Thanks.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#74833; Package emacs.
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If you can set a variable using that method > and have it pass through for you to test in lisp, then it would be a > good idea to recommend. We could suggest using TERM_PROGRAM and setting > it to "Putty". What if we only auto-enabled xterm-mouse-mode on OSC52 compatible terminals? Between $TERM and the results from the terminal escape sequence "ESC [ > 0 q", Emacs can have high confidence if it is running on an OSC52 compatible terminal. I checked against most of the terminals mentioned at https://can-i-use-terminal.github.io/features/osc52copy.html I just wasn't able to test Foot (Wayland-only), hterm (Chromebook-only), mintty (Cygwin-only), or xterm.js (I have no idea how to test). -- MJF
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charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Still away from a computer. If you can set a variable using that method and have it pass through for you to test in lisp, then it would be a good idea to recommend. We could suggest using TERM_PROGRAM and setting it to "Putty"= . On Mon, Dec 23, 2024 at 4:07=E2=80=AFPM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote: > > From: Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN> > > Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2024 15:44:02 +0100 > > Cc: jared@HIDDEN, rms@HIDDEN, gerd.moellmann@HIDDEN, > > fgunbin@HIDDEN, 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > > > Away from a computer, but I think this is still the same in 0.82 these > days and I assume you're using modern > > ssh. > > > > https://serverfault.com/a/819740 > > OK, so does this mean we want to tell PuTTY users to configure this in > some specific way that Emacs can recognize? > --00000000000050c36d0629f537cf Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"color:rgb(80,0,80)"><font face=3D"arial, sa= ns-serif"><span class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"">Still a</span>way from a= computer<span class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"">. If you can set a variab= le using that method and have it pass through for you to test in lisp, then= it would be a good idea to recommend. We could suggest using TERM_PROGRAM = and setting it to "Putty".</span></font></span></div><br><div cla= ss=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_at= tr">On Mon, Dec 23, 2024 at 4:07=E2=80=AFPM Eli Zaretskii <<a href=3D"ma= ilto:eliz@HIDDEN">eliz@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class= =3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rg= b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">> From: Ship Mints <<a href=3D"mailt= o:shipmints@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">shipmints@HIDDEN</a>><br> > Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2024 15:44:02 +0100<br> > Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:jared@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">jared@finder= .org</a>, <a href=3D"mailto:rms@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">rms@HIDDEN</a>,= <a href=3D"mailto:gerd.moellmann@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">gerd.moellma= nn@HIDDEN</a>, <br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<a href=3D"mailto:fgunbin@HIDDEN" targe= t=3D"_blank">fgunbin@HIDDEN</a>, <a href=3D"mailto:74833@HIDDEN= rg" target=3D"_blank">74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org</a><br> > <br> > Away from a computer, but I think this is still the same in 0.82 these= days and I assume you're using modern<br> > ssh. <br> > <br> > <a href=3D"https://serverfault.com/a/819740" rel=3D"noreferrer" target= =3D"_blank">https://serverfault.com/a/819740</a><br> <br> OK, so does this mean we want to tell PuTTY users to configure this in<br> some specific way that Emacs can recognize?<br> </blockquote></div> --00000000000050c36d0629f537cf--
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Copy to OS clipboard doesn't work in macOS Terminal.app with xterm-mouse-mode enabled To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000c61bb20629f107d7" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 74833 Cc: gerd.moellmann@HIDDEN, fgunbin@HIDDEN, 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, jared@HIDDEN, rms@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --000000000000c61bb20629f107d7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Away from a computer, but I think this is still the same in 0.82 these days and I assume you're using modern ssh. https://serverfault.com/a/819740 -Stephane On Mon, Dec 23, 2024 at 14:56 Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote: > > From: Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN> > > Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2024 14:36:34 +0100 > > Cc: jared@HIDDEN, rms@HIDDEN, gerd.moellmann@HIDDEN, > > fgunbin@HIDDEN, 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > > > You should be able to paste using the (annoying, yes) CUA key Shift-Ins > vs. right mouse button. > > Yes, but that works also without xterm-mouse-mode. My point is that I > lose the paste by mouse. > > > I think the only way to know for sure you're under putty is to change > your putty configuration to set/send a > > custom environment variable that you can test. I do not recall one that > it sets/sends by default beyond TERM > > which is "xterm" and that's obviously insufficient. > > You will have to tell more, as I didn't see anything like that. > --000000000000c61bb20629f107d7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"auto">Away from a computer, but I think this is still the same = in 0.82 these days and I assume you're using modern ssh.=C2=A0</div><di= v dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><div><a href=3D"https://serverfa= ult.com/a/819740">https://serverfault.com/a/819740</a></div><div dir=3D"aut= o"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">-Stephane</div></div><div><br><div class=3D"= gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On= Mon, Dec 23, 2024 at 14:56 Eli Zaretskii <<a href=3D"mailto:eliz@HIDDEN= g">eliz@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s= tyle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">>= From: Ship Mints <<a href=3D"mailto:shipmints@HIDDEN" target=3D"_bla= nk">shipmints@HIDDEN</a>><br> > Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2024 14:36:34 +0100<br> > Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:jared@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">jared@finder= .org</a>, <a href=3D"mailto:rms@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">rms@HIDDEN</a>,= <a href=3D"mailto:gerd.moellmann@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">gerd.moellma= nn@HIDDEN</a>, <br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<a href=3D"mailto:fgunbin@HIDDEN" targe= t=3D"_blank">fgunbin@HIDDEN</a>, <a href=3D"mailto:74833@HIDDEN= rg" target=3D"_blank">74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org</a><br> > <br> > You should be able to paste using the (annoying, yes) CUA key Shift-In= s vs. right mouse button.<br> <br> Yes, but that works also without xterm-mouse-mode.=C2=A0 My point is that I= <br> lose the paste by mouse.<br> <br> > I think the only way to know for sure you're under putty is to cha= nge your putty configuration to set/send a<br> > custom environment variable that you can test. I do not recall one tha= t it sets/sends by default beyond TERM<br> > which is "xterm" and that's obviously insufficient.<br> <br> You will have to tell more, as I didn't see anything like that.<br> </blockquote></div></div> --000000000000c61bb20629f107d7--
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Full text available.Received: (at 74833) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Dec 2024 13:56:27 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Dec 23 08:56:27 2024 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53781 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1tPiv4-0006jE-Rs for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2024 08:56:27 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:37536) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1tPiv1-0006ip-S3 for 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2024 08:56:25 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1tPiuw-0002md-6v; Mon, 23 Dec 2024 08:56:18 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=ZWmIJrmbWPGL6p+n+w4fzvM9xgMskMz6xCRl8RoajZc=; b=gZaXwqJp5wYF 0fzn5yShbnqdC6Q3JYc30ssVxQn6cVkdJ4/SAluHapvfquxweo/8mLlWq/KgETZktCsOnmU3kgX8g VVQI3RCsrk45g8N6197JAJYWrMJmqen0cz0EFOfAAVRENuD1mwGjYHLrT+WRAWrHn9K/asq/YyYRK toxPlSaeZ2b+s/GP+r+XpNwEprN3TU6VjXPQY9rFQd57wY38Lpa0lk+fPbwiXrIX5EdUU2zspFQAx lDUzVNeDiTViT0q5ZaARhmjIMCLTLAsvTanwVZli99wTAo9Pbn8lD52MORbyyxdDOnKypasFdom5P WLD8+3pJJAEVW21FVdhqIg==; Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2024 15:55:50 +0200 Message-Id: <86jzbq4i6x.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <CAN+1Hbp5MACbrKo3KTo5G0CXDo0v3kwSxes=Z3ZfJLsp-QB5Qg@HIDDEN> (message from Ship Mints on Mon, 23 Dec 2024 14:36:34 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#74833: 31.0.50; Copy to OS clipboard doesn't work in macOS Terminal.app with xterm-mouse-mode enabled References: <m1cyhweqhe.fsf@HIDDEN> <8634iszpa5.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1Hbr1k9vOBfB_rSxOTPnB51wM_w132hG7k_1Y61FkBDs=tQ@HIDDEN> <86y10ky9wf.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1HbrAA9HuGp-VFfQUbFLfu87B=2u6xYKs-=RR64p4Z7Ozfw@HIDDEN> <86wmg4xd2u.fsf@HIDDEN> <m1y10jo81o.fsf@HIDDEN> <86y10jwmsb.fsf@HIDDEN> <m1msgznx20.fsf@HIDDEN> <86ldwiwvjc.fsf@HIDDEN> <m2ldwi8uvx.fsf@HIDDEN> <m1pllrtwq1.fsf@HIDDEN> <m2jzbzfscp.fsf@HIDDEN> <m1v7vjsavb.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1Hbo03URNb5dUVgiX8ofzrYiWG9VtB3AF9pjGvRxrMgyYDQ@HIDDEN> <86ed27pfhj.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1HbqqUoa1KK4xNGz1CO7mrmk=NTnFei1Fr8qchccbLqC2Zg@HIDDEN> <86a5cvpeiv.fsf@HIDDEN> <m2seqndlx7.fsf@HIDDEN> <86y10eo5h6.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1HbqZE9TbEPdvZWK-r__K5y0=S4qJ_DCZaauVM=ioFRaBhQ@HIDDEN> <986a3eea465e13c57bcdd7ce8f27f99d@HIDDEN> <CAN+1HbonZyoWHHp6bpQvKYjyvV71ieACCZo4HeonZR_5+VxwcQ@HIDDEN> <E1tPDuC-0001ET-J1@HIDDEN> <864j2w6tz0.fsf@HIDDEN> <861pxy5zxk.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1Hbp5MACbrKo3KTo5G0CXDo0v3kwSxes=Z3ZfJLsp-QB5Qg@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 74833 Cc: gerd.moellmann@HIDDEN, fgunbin@HIDDEN, 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, jared@HIDDEN, rms@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN> > Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2024 14:36:34 +0100 > Cc: jared@HIDDEN, rms@HIDDEN, gerd.moellmann@HIDDEN, > fgunbin@HIDDEN, 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > You should be able to paste using the (annoying, yes) CUA key Shift-Ins vs. right mouse button. Yes, but that works also without xterm-mouse-mode. My point is that I lose the paste by mouse. > I think the only way to know for sure you're under putty is to change your putty configuration to set/send a > custom environment variable that you can test. I do not recall one that it sets/sends by default beyond TERM > which is "xterm" and that's obviously insufficient. You will have to tell more, as I didn't see anything like that.
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Copy to OS clipboard doesn't work in macOS Terminal.app with xterm-mouse-mode enabled To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000077d2d10629f0164f" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 74833 Cc: gerd.moellmann@HIDDEN, fgunbin@HIDDEN, 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, jared@HIDDEN, rms@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --00000000000077d2d10629f0164f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You should be able to paste using the (annoying, yes) CUA key Shift-Ins vs. right mouse button. I think the only way to know for sure you're under putty is to change your putty configuration to set/send a custom environment variable that you can test. I do not recall one that it sets/sends by default beyond TERM which is "xterm" and that's obviously insufficient. On Mon, Dec 23, 2024 at 1:47=E2=80=AFPM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote: > I found one more case where turning on xterm-mouse-mode by default > causes problems: PuTTY. It loses the ability to paste from the > Windows clipboard by a right mouse click when xterm-mouse-mode is > turned on. > > Can we identify PuTTY in some way, so that xterm-mouse-mode could not > be turned on in that case? > --00000000000077d2d10629f0164f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospac= e">You should be able to paste using the (annoying, yes) CUA key Shift-Ins = vs. right mouse button.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fam= ily:monospace"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:= monospace">I think the only way to know for sure you're under putty is = to change your putty configuration to set/send a custom environment variabl= e that you can test. I do not recall one that it sets/sends by default beyo= nd TERM which is "xterm" and that's obviously insufficient.</= div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"= ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Dec 23, 2024 at 1:47=E2=80=AFPM Eli Zaret= skii <<a href=3D"mailto:eliz@HIDDEN">eliz@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:<br></d= iv><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bord= er-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I found one more case = where turning on xterm-mouse-mode by default<br> causes problems: PuTTY.=C2=A0 It loses the ability to paste from the<br> Windows clipboard by a right mouse click when xterm-mouse-mode is<br> turned on.<br> <br> Can we identify PuTTY in some way, so that xterm-mouse-mode could not<br> be turned on in that case?<br> </blockquote></div> --00000000000077d2d10629f0164f--
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Full text available.Received: (at 74833) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Dec 2024 12:47:40 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Dec 23 07:47:40 2024 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53658 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1tPhqW-0003RW-0r for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2024 07:47:40 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:54508) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1tPhqS-0003RF-Hk for 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2024 07:47:39 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1tPhqM-0000kt-AY; Mon, 23 Dec 2024 07:47:30 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=0fDSbhwcyICTlgIZ1DjXMLx5KPkV/hbJMtwu1LLREsY=; b=SJnbysiK13iV 6kA81fjdy/4kNLXZWPImP9bcyMesXbaKhLSR4/3M5i9T5YWm3SZyBtB1XoboANagvtW3+pLswD4HN lGMb/02092mb1G9Xh5PWy21TMMHjgO5LUhuqKL/gCAo8chpyx5LW7Ouu9tkO+gnEFicT1qamoMwGr swuT+cw96O78Q4sueWf0aMqn8IVpr0m9c26YJA4Y6uQwM2jufYeUG/RfezOyU5Rwblp1vBD64tqHA Ms5h5PhF+eRTmSGaZ/ohxZqfellV5BkZ5A1pYfWyC44Ojrh7FDWFX0LWt55NXq/Se9DyiDzibnpG1 5VHJb7FqnEGuciPdmh0/9Q==; Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2024 14:47:19 +0200 Message-Id: <861pxy5zxk.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: jared@HIDDEN In-Reply-To: <864j2w6tz0.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sun, 22 Dec 2024 09:46:11 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#74833: 31.0.50; Copy to OS clipboard doesn't work in macOS Terminal.app with xterm-mouse-mode enabled References: <m1cyhweqhe.fsf@HIDDEN> <8634iszpa5.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1Hbr1k9vOBfB_rSxOTPnB51wM_w132hG7k_1Y61FkBDs=tQ@HIDDEN> <86y10ky9wf.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1HbrAA9HuGp-VFfQUbFLfu87B=2u6xYKs-=RR64p4Z7Ozfw@HIDDEN> <86wmg4xd2u.fsf@HIDDEN> <m1y10jo81o.fsf@HIDDEN> <86y10jwmsb.fsf@HIDDEN> <m1msgznx20.fsf@HIDDEN> <86ldwiwvjc.fsf@HIDDEN> <m2ldwi8uvx.fsf@HIDDEN> <m1pllrtwq1.fsf@HIDDEN> <m2jzbzfscp.fsf@HIDDEN> <m1v7vjsavb.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1Hbo03URNb5dUVgiX8ofzrYiWG9VtB3AF9pjGvRxrMgyYDQ@HIDDEN> <86ed27pfhj.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1HbqqUoa1KK4xNGz1CO7mrmk=NTnFei1Fr8qchccbLqC2Zg@HIDDEN> <86a5cvpeiv.fsf@HIDDEN> <m2seqndlx7.fsf@HIDDEN> <86y10eo5h6.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1HbqZE9TbEPdvZWK-r__K5y0=S4qJ_DCZaauVM=ioFRaBhQ@HIDDEN> <986a3eea465e13c57bcdd7ce8f27f99d@HIDDEN> <CAN+1HbonZyoWHHp6bpQvKYjyvV71ieACCZo4HeonZR_5+VxwcQ@HIDDEN> <E1tPDuC-0001ET-J1@HIDDEN> <864j2w6tz0.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 74833 Cc: gerd.moellmann@HIDDEN, 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, fgunbin@HIDDEN, rms@HIDDEN, shipmints@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) I found one more case where turning on xterm-mouse-mode by default causes problems: PuTTY. It loses the ability to paste from the Windows clipboard by a right mouse click when xterm-mouse-mode is turned on. Can we identify PuTTY in some way, so that xterm-mouse-mode could not be turned on in that case?
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[2003:e0:b71f:6700:b019:6211:433a:3436]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-5d80675a47csm3403829a12.17.2024.12.21.22.12.47 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sat, 21 Dec 2024 22:12:48 -0800 (PST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Gerd_M=C3=B6llmann?= <gerd.moellmann@HIDDEN> To: Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#74833: 31.0.50; Copy to OS clipboard doesn't work in macOS Terminal.app with xterm-mouse-mode enabled In-Reply-To: <E1tPDuC-0001ET-J1@HIDDEN> (Richard Stallman's message of "Sat, 21 Dec 2024 23:49:28 -0500") References: <m1cyhweqhe.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1HbrAA9HuGp-VFfQUbFLfu87B=2u6xYKs-=RR64p4Z7Ozfw@HIDDEN> <86wmg4xd2u.fsf@HIDDEN> <m1y10jo81o.fsf@HIDDEN> <86y10jwmsb.fsf@HIDDEN> <m1msgznx20.fsf@HIDDEN> <86ldwiwvjc.fsf@HIDDEN> <m2ldwi8uvx.fsf@HIDDEN> <m1pllrtwq1.fsf@HIDDEN> <m2jzbzfscp.fsf@HIDDEN> <m1v7vjsavb.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1Hbo03URNb5dUVgiX8ofzrYiWG9VtB3AF9pjGvRxrMgyYDQ@HIDDEN> <86ed27pfhj.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1HbqqUoa1KK4xNGz1CO7mrmk=NTnFei1Fr8qchccbLqC2Zg@HIDDEN> <86a5cvpeiv.fsf@HIDDEN> <m2seqndlx7.fsf@HIDDEN> <86y10eo5h6.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1HbqZE9TbEPdvZWK-r__K5y0=S4qJ_DCZaauVM=ioFRaBhQ@HIDDEN> <986a3eea465e13c57bcdd7ce8f27f99d@HIDDEN> <CAN+1HbonZyoWHHp6bpQvKYjyvV71ieACCZo4HeonZR_5+VxwcQ@HIDDEN> <E1tPDuC-0001ET-J1@HIDDEN> Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2024 07:12:46 +0100 Message-ID: <m21py0jlep.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 74833 Cc: 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, fgunbin@HIDDEN, eliz@HIDDEN, jared@HIDDEN, Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN> writes: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > I took a look at xclip's code, and its scope is larger than just macOS > > pasteboard integration. If I volunteered to help adopt xclip into Emacs, > > Merging the application program xclip into Emacs seems like doing > things the roundabout way. Doesn't Emacs already have access to the X > clipboard and selections? If it doesn't have all the desirable > features in that area, we can implement the missing ones simply > like the already-implemened ones. The 'xclip' meant here is the ELPA package https://elpa.gnu.org/packages/xclip.html
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I think we'd also want a >> variable >> to disable auto-enabling xclip-mode (let's call it >> "xterm-enable-xclip-fallback" and assume it defaults to t). So when >> Emacs detects it is running in Terminal.app and >> xterm-enable-xclip-fallback is set, it enables xclip-mode. In all >> other >> cases, no change is made. >> >> This does still result in a user-facing behavior change: instead of >> pressing Command-c, a user would have to press Emacs' key binding, M-w >> (or C-c if cua-mode is enabled). >> > I took a look at xclip's code, and its scope is larger than just macOS > pasteboard integration. If I volunteered to help adopt xclip into > Emacs, I'd have no easy way to test its scope beyond macOS. Perhaps it > should remain an external package and people just install when needed. > Equivalent mac-specific pasteboard integration could live in ns-win.el > and be narrower in scope just for macOS users. I tried a handful of terminal in Linux and it appears that while the majority support OSC 52, a significant amount of them don't. The biggest gap is all the vte based ones like Gnome Terminal or XFCE Terminal. These are their windowing system's default terminals, so there's likely a lot of usage here. If we want to ensure mouse drag to highlight, copy within the terminal Emacs, followed by a paste outside of the terminal still work we would need to bring xclip into core. I think this would be generally good to do anyways. I didn't know about the xclip package and it would have significantly improved my workflows with xterm-mouse-mode. I suspect many other users of xterm-mouse-mode are in the same boat. -- MJF
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Copy to OS clipboard doesn't work in macOS Terminal.app with xterm-mouse-mode enabled To: Jared Finder <jared@HIDDEN> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000007d808b0629a2ca99" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 74833 Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Gerd_M=C3=B6llmann?= <gerd.moellmann@HIDDEN>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, fgunbin@HIDDEN, 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --0000000000007d808b0629a2ca99 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I took a look at xclip's code, and its scope is larger than just macOS pasteboard integration. If I volunteered to help adopt xclip into Emacs, I'd have no easy way to test its scope beyond macOS. Perhaps it should remain an external package and people just install when needed. Equivalent mac-specific pasteboard integration could live in ns-win.el and be narrower in scope just for macOS users. As far as the proposed user option goes, "fallback" doesn't really convey any meaning to me. I know eglot adopted the convention "stay out of" to control that minor mode's enabling other minor modes. Perhaps a user option called xterm-stay-out-of-xclip, if that's a convention that people would like, or xterm-inhibit-enabling-xclip following long-standing Emacs inhibit conventions. This is moot until xclip becomes part of Emacs. On Thu, Dec 19, 2024 at 6:16=E2=80=AFAM Jared Finder <jared@HIDDEN> wro= te: > On 2024-12-18 09:50, Ship Mints wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 1:32=E2=80=AFPM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wr= ote: > >> I don't see how this distinction (which I have no doubt is accurate) > >> is important to the decision we should make here. Simply put, > >> "something" that worked on Terminal.app before we turned on xt-moude > >> doesn't work in some cases after we turned it on. That's my bother. > > I see your point, Eli, for sure. Since this is on master, and > > presumably destined for Emacs 31, there seems to be sufficient time for > > people to read NEWS and PROBLEMS and accommodate their configurations > > while Emacs is brought one step forward into behaving, by default, like > > other terminal apps on macOS. > > > > I think someone suggested bringing xclip (seems properly licensed) into > > the core and now might be a good time to consider that. > > This seems like a good idea to me too. I think we'd also want a variable > to disable auto-enabling xclip-mode (let's call it > "xterm-enable-xclip-fallback" and assume it defaults to t). So when > Emacs detects it is running in Terminal.app and > xterm-enable-xclip-fallback is set, it enables xclip-mode. In all other > cases, no change is made. > > This does still result in a user-facing behavior change: instead of > pressing Command-c, a user would have to press Emacs' key binding, M-w > (or C-c if cua-mode is enabled). > > -- MJF > --0000000000007d808b0629a2ca99 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospac= e">I took a look at xclip's=C2=A0code, and its scope is=C2=A0larger tha= n just macOS pasteboard integration. If I volunteered to help adopt xclip i= nto Emacs, I'd have no easy way to test its scope beyond macOS. Perhaps= it should remain an external package and people just install when needed. = Equivalent mac-specific pasteboard integration could live in ns-win.el and = be narrower in scope just for macOS users.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default= " style=3D"font-family:monospace"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" st= yle=3D"font-family:monospace">As far=C2=A0as the proposed user option goes,= "fallback" doesn't really convey any=C2=A0meaning to me. I k= now eglot adopted the convention "stay out of" to control that mi= nor mode's enabling=C2=A0other minor modes. Perhaps a user option calle= d xterm-stay-out-of-xclip, if that's a convention that people would lik= e, or xterm-inhibit-enabling-xclip following long-standing Emacs inhibit co= nventions. This is moot until xclip becomes part of Emacs.</div><div class= =3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace"><br></div><div class=3D"= gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace"><br></div></div><br><div cla= ss=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_at= tr">On Thu, Dec 19, 2024 at 6:16=E2=80=AFAM Jared Finder <<a href=3D"mai= lto:jared@HIDDEN">jared@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote = class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px sol= id rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 2024-12-18 09:50, Ship Mints wrote= :<br> > On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 1:32=E2=80=AFPM Eli Zaretskii <<a href=3D"m= ailto:eliz@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">eliz@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:<br> >> I don't see how this distinction (which I have no doubt is acc= urate)<br> >> is important to the decision we should make here.=C2=A0 Simply put= ,<br> >> "something" that worked on Terminal.app before we turned= on xt-moude<br> >> doesn't work in some cases after we turned it on.=C2=A0 That&#= 39;s my bother.<br> > I see your point, Eli, for sure. Since this is on master, and <br> > presumably destined for Emacs 31, there seems to be sufficient time fo= r <br> > people to read NEWS and PROBLEMS and accommodate their configurations = <br> > while Emacs is brought one step forward into behaving, by default, lik= e <br> > other terminal apps on macOS.<br> > <br> > I think someone suggested bringing xclip (seems properly licensed) int= o <br> > the core and now might be a good time to consider that.<br> <br> This seems like a good idea to me too. I think we'd also want a variabl= e <br> to disable auto-enabling xclip-mode (let's call it <br> "xterm-enable-xclip-fallback" and assume it defaults to t). So wh= en <br> Emacs detects it is running in Terminal.app and <br> xterm-enable-xclip-fallback is set, it enables xclip-mode. In all other <br= > cases, no change is made.<br> <br> This does still result in a user-facing behavior change: instead of <br> pressing Command-c, a user would have to press Emacs' key binding, M-w = <br> (or C-c if cua-mode is enabled).<br> <br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0-- MJF<br> </blockquote></div> --0000000000007d808b0629a2ca99--
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Full text available.Received: (at 74833) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Dec 2024 05:16:20 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Dec 19 00:16:20 2024 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37013 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1tO8tY-0000TH-4S for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2024 00:16:20 -0500 Received: from greenhill.hpalace.com ([192.155.80.58]:44302) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <jared@HIDDEN>) id 1tO8tW-0000T8-5x for 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2024 00:16:18 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=finder.org; s=2018; t=1734585377; bh=hAIR1bfCfYSvcngGshn1j+TqySnWem00sKlpqI8FHSA=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=paG3e6waV7zaYDt2Ri+LxfEAkhRr9/ebA6BMjTFmEdpfyiIsJKOazUnHwvxGu9wBx +XgRzQgwJz7ut9GhuH8H2RHTILnOGgyrztb8JnnYJkQMkuvUU2Corjsk7HjJnmURs7 +TXMbWeEgzAkeCgbAPYqn6GsQT/1Q1kq4Ws4cwMH+7AQMLY2xCE0TMxiGD8EwRc1hN SzhaplCj79HIDB8vaCfeQmiT16Vh4n2baL3F1p7g/JX+Ck2UPyLVTWw9AEnrlSY6Hz Wua/KW0Zt7fGLDNSgT936HK1oVcS6q0aInouIYfmpAE+tHGrw4Dz7xvp2dNpoEGdv+ kmihicnHURwvA== Received: from mail.finder.org (unknown [192.155.80.58]) by greenhill.hpalace.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0FA031CA7; Thu, 19 Dec 2024 05:16:17 +0000 (UTC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2024 21:16:16 -0800 From: Jared Finder <jared@HIDDEN> To: Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#74833: 31.0.50; Copy to OS clipboard doesn't work in macOS Terminal.app with xterm-mouse-mode enabled In-Reply-To: <CAN+1HbqZE9TbEPdvZWK-r__K5y0=S4qJ_DCZaauVM=ioFRaBhQ@HIDDEN> References: <m1cyhweqhe.fsf@HIDDEN> <8634iszpa5.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1Hbr1k9vOBfB_rSxOTPnB51wM_w132hG7k_1Y61FkBDs=tQ@HIDDEN> <86y10ky9wf.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1HbrAA9HuGp-VFfQUbFLfu87B=2u6xYKs-=RR64p4Z7Ozfw@HIDDEN> <86wmg4xd2u.fsf@HIDDEN> <m1y10jo81o.fsf@HIDDEN> <86y10jwmsb.fsf@HIDDEN> <m1msgznx20.fsf@HIDDEN> <86ldwiwvjc.fsf@HIDDEN> <m2ldwi8uvx.fsf@HIDDEN> <m1pllrtwq1.fsf@HIDDEN> <m2jzbzfscp.fsf@HIDDEN> <m1v7vjsavb.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1Hbo03URNb5dUVgiX8ofzrYiWG9VtB3AF9pjGvRxrMgyYDQ@HIDDEN> <86ed27pfhj.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1HbqqUoa1KK4xNGz1CO7mrmk=NTnFei1Fr8qchccbLqC2Zg@HIDDEN> <86a5cvpeiv.fsf@HIDDEN> <m2seqndlx7.fsf@HIDDEN> <86y10eo5h6.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1HbqZE9TbEPdvZWK-r__K5y0=S4qJ_DCZaauVM=ioFRaBhQ@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <986a3eea465e13c57bcdd7ce8f27f99d@HIDDEN> X-Sender: jared@HIDDEN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 74833 Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Gerd_M=C3=B6llmann?= <gerd.moellmann@HIDDEN>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, fgunbin@HIDDEN, 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On 2024-12-18 09:50, Ship Mints wrote: > On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 1:32 PM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote: >> I don't see how this distinction (which I have no doubt is accurate) >> is important to the decision we should make here. Simply put, >> "something" that worked on Terminal.app before we turned on xt-moude >> doesn't work in some cases after we turned it on. That's my bother. > I see your point, Eli, for sure. Since this is on master, and > presumably destined for Emacs 31, there seems to be sufficient time for > people to read NEWS and PROBLEMS and accommodate their configurations > while Emacs is brought one step forward into behaving, by default, like > other terminal apps on macOS. > > I think someone suggested bringing xclip (seems properly licensed) into > the core and now might be a good time to consider that. This seems like a good idea to me too. I think we'd also want a variable to disable auto-enabling xclip-mode (let's call it "xterm-enable-xclip-fallback" and assume it defaults to t). So when Emacs detects it is running in Terminal.app and xterm-enable-xclip-fallback is set, it enables xclip-mode. In all other cases, no change is made. This does still result in a user-facing behavior change: instead of pressing Command-c, a user would have to press Emacs' key binding, M-w (or C-c if cua-mode is enabled). -- MJF
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Copy to OS clipboard doesn't work in macOS Terminal.app with xterm-mouse-mode enabled To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000012486606298f0fd2" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 74833 Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Gerd_M=C3=B6llmann?= <gerd.moellmann@HIDDEN>, jared@HIDDEN, 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, fgunbin@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --00000000000012486606298f0fd2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I see your point, Eli, for sure. Since this is on master, and presumably destined for Emacs 31, there seems to be sufficient time for people to read NEWS and PROBLEMS and accommodate their configurations while Emacs is brought one step forward into behaving, by default, like other terminal apps on macOS. I think someone suggested bringing xclip (seems properly licensed) into the core and now might be a good time to consider that. On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 1:32=E2=80=AFPM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote: > > From: Gerd M=C3=B6llmann <gerd.moellmann@HIDDEN> > > Cc: Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN>, fgunbin@HIDDEN, > > jared@HIDDEN, 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2024 04:32:20 +0100 > > > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > > > > > And second, the issue here, at least for me, is not the user surprise > > > that the mouse works, it's that features which used to work in Emacs > > > when running on Terminal.app before that change cease to work, at > > > least in some situations, now. > > > > I really don't know what you are talking about when you write "feature > > in Emacs". There is no feature _in_ Emacs that is broken. Emacs doesn't > > even get a keyboard event for Command-C, it has no idea what is going > > on. > > > > It's Terminal.app that behaves differently. And Terminal.app has > > previsions for that (Command-R, Fn-mouse). > > I don't see how this distinction (which I have no doubt is accurate) > is important to the decision we should make here. Simply put, > "something" that worked on Terminal.app before we turned on xt-moude > doesn't work in some cases after we turned it on. That's my bother. > --00000000000012486606298f0fd2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospac= e">I see your point, Eli, for sure. Since this is on master, and presumably= destined for Emacs 31, there seems to be sufficient time for people to rea= d NEWS and PROBLEMS and accommodate their configurations while Emacs is bro= ught one step forward into behaving, by default, like other terminal apps o= n macOS.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace">= <br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace">I th= ink someone suggested bringing xclip (seems properly licensed) into the cor= e and now might be a good time to consider that.</div></div><br><div class= =3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr= ">On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 1:32=E2=80=AFPM Eli Zaretskii <<a href=3D"mail= to:eliz@HIDDEN">eliz@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"= gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(20= 4,204,204);padding-left:1ex">> From: Gerd M=C3=B6llmann <<a href=3D"m= ailto:gerd.moellmann@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">gerd.moellmann@HIDDEN<= /a>><br> > Cc: Ship Mints <<a href=3D"mailto:shipmints@HIDDEN" target=3D"_b= lank">shipmints@HIDDEN</a>>,=C2=A0 <a href=3D"mailto:fgunbin@fastmail= .fm" target=3D"_blank">fgunbin@HIDDEN</a>,<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0<a href=3D"mailto:jared@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">jare= d@HIDDEN</a>,=C2=A0 <a href=3D"mailto:74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" target=3D"= _blank">74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org</a><br> > Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2024 04:32:20 +0100<br> > <br> > Eli Zaretskii <<a href=3D"mailto:eliz@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">el= iz@HIDDEN</a>> writes:<br> > <br> > > And second, the issue here, at least for me, is not the user surp= rise<br> > > that the mouse works, it's that features which used to work i= n Emacs<br> > > when running on Terminal.app before that change cease to work, at= <br> > > least in some situations, now.<br> > <br> > I really don't know what you are talking about when you write &quo= t;feature<br> > in Emacs". There is no feature _in_ Emacs that is broken. Emacs d= oesn't<br> > even get a keyboard event for Command-C, it has no idea what is going<= br> > on.<br> > <br> > It's Terminal.app that behaves differently. And Terminal.app has<b= r> > previsions for that (Command-R, Fn-mouse).<br> <br> I don't see how this distinction (which I have no doubt is accurate)<br= > is important to the decision we should make here.=C2=A0 Simply put,<br> "something" that worked on Terminal.app before we turned on xt-mo= ude<br> doesn't work in some cases after we turned it on.=C2=A0 That's my b= other.<br> </blockquote></div> --00000000000012486606298f0fd2--
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I'd add that pretty much every other "curses" based app >> that supports mouse activity defaults to mouse on, though. Not sure >> why Emacs's recent default to on should >> be surprising. People would be surprised that the mouse doesn't work. That Terminal.app also steals >> command keys from those apps is also not a surprise. > > First, xt-mouse is not about curses, it's about xterm-specific mouse > protocol. Replace "curses" which he put in quotes with terminal application and what Ship Mints says is true. > And second, the issue here, at least for me, is not the user surprise > that the mouse works, it's that features which used to work in Emacs > when running on Terminal.app before that change cease to work, at > least in some situations, now. I really don't know what you are talking about when you write "feature in Emacs". There is no feature _in_ Emacs that is broken. Emacs doesn't even get a keyboard event for Command-C, it has no idea what is going on. It's Terminal.app that behaves differently. And Terminal.app has previsions for that (Command-R, Fn-mouse).
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"By default, each new Terminal window has the Allow Mouse Reporting option selected." Via https://support.apple.com/guide/terminal/turn-on-mouse-reporting-trmlc69728= a5/mac On Mon, Dec 16, 2024 at 3:25=E2=80=AFPM Filipp Gunbin <fgunbin@HIDDEN>= wrote: > On 16/12/2024 20:53 +0100, Gerd M=C3=B6llmann wrote: > > > Filipp Gunbin <fgunbin@HIDDEN> writes: > > > >>> I think it's best if we simply agree to disagree. > >> > >> I don't think we disagree much, I see the value of xterm-mouse-mode > >> (although I like "just text" on tty, no menus etc.), the only thing > >> which concerns me (and is the reason for this bug) are "half-broken" > >> defaults. > > > > I disagree completely :-). I don't see "half-broken" defaults. > > What is the default value of "Allow mouse reporting" if you open a new > Terminal.app tab? If it's ticked, like here, then you see them :-) > Because then you get by default that half-way setup which I'm > complaining about. > > >> We're discussing whether to disable xterm-mouse-mode only in > >> Terminal.app, not everywhere. > > > > I don't think it's proven that only Terminal.app behaves the way it > > does. At least iTerm can be configured in a way that it behaves almost > > the same. And Alacritty as well. > > Terminal.app is the default terminal on macOS, so it's a bit more > important in this context than others, I think. And we're talking about > what Terminal.app does by default. > --000000000000a5b72d0629690b14 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospac= e">On mac, mouse reporting defaults to on and I think always has. "By = default, each new Terminal window has the Allow Mouse Reporting option sele= cted." Via=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://support.apple.com/guide/terminal/tu= rn-on-mouse-reporting-trmlc69728a5/mac">https://support.apple.com/guide/ter= minal/turn-on-mouse-reporting-trmlc69728a5/mac</a></div></div><br><div clas= s=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_att= r">On Mon, Dec 16, 2024 at 3:25=E2=80=AFPM Filipp Gunbin <<a href=3D"mai= lto:fgunbin@HIDDEN">fgunbin@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:<br></div><block= quote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1= px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 16/12/2024 20:53 +0100, Gerd= M=C3=B6llmann wrote:<br> <br> > Filipp Gunbin <<a href=3D"mailto:fgunbin@HIDDEN" target=3D"_bl= ank">fgunbin@HIDDEN</a>> writes:<br> ><br> >>> I think it's best if we simply agree to disagree.<br> >><br> >> I don't think we disagree much, I see the value of xterm-mouse= -mode<br> >> (although I like "just text" on tty, no menus etc.), the= only thing<br> >> which concerns me (and is the reason for this bug) are "half-= broken"<br> >> defaults.=C2=A0 <br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0<br> > I disagree completely :-). I don't see "half-broken" def= aults.<br> <br> What is the default value of "Allow mouse reporting" if you open = a new<br> Terminal.app tab?=C2=A0 If it's ticked, like here, then you see them :-= )<br> Because then you get by default that half-way setup which I'm<br> complaining about.<br> <br> >> We're discussing whether to disable xterm-mouse-mode only in<b= r> >> Terminal.app, not everywhere.<br> ><br> > I don't think it's proven that only Terminal.app behaves the w= ay it<br> > does. At least iTerm can be configured in a way that it behaves almost= <br> > the same. And Alacritty as well.<br> <br> Terminal.app is the default terminal on macOS, so it's a bit more<br> important in this context than others, I think.=C2=A0 And we're talking= about<br> what Terminal.app does by default.<br> </blockquote></div> --000000000000a5b72d0629690b14--
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On 16/12/2024 20:53 +0100, Gerd M=C3=B6llmann wrote:
> Filipp Gunbin <fgunbin@HIDDEN> writes:
>
>>> I think it's best if we simply agree to disagree.
>>
>> I don't think we disagree much, I see the value of xterm-mouse-mode
>> (although I like "just text" on tty, no menus etc.), the only thing
>> which concerns me (and is the reason for this bug) are "half-broken"
>> defaults.=20=20
>=20=20=20
> I disagree completely :-). I don't see "half-broken" defaults.
What is the default value of "Allow mouse reporting" if you open a new
Terminal.app tab? If it's ticked, like here, then you see them :-)
Because then you get by default that half-way setup which I'm
complaining about.
>> We're discussing whether to disable xterm-mouse-mode only in
>> Terminal.app, not everywhere.
>
> I don't think it's proven that only Terminal.app behaves the way it
> does. At least iTerm can be configured in a way that it behaves almost
> the same. And Alacritty as well.
Terminal.app is the default terminal on macOS, so it's a bit more
important in this context than others, I think. And we're talking about
what Terminal.app does by default.
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Full text available.Received: (at 74833) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Dec 2024 20:19:21 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Dec 16 15:19:21 2024 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56359 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1tNHYn-0007O1-8Z for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2024 15:19:21 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:51496) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1tNHYk-0007Ni-6O for 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2024 15:19:19 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1tNHYe-0002Po-Ki; Mon, 16 Dec 2024 15:19:12 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=lPGgfrug9eGJsf32tdFTRPGlIloOA35wSpgd0pXdK2g=; b=dpuS/ckh1r3+ F8fS+9lxjvticWH0JK4CbpQBry2U1nFZ6G0ciSg19x5ALp0Tu4gUYhk5P6GZ/xOG9YhWL1/cMpgiJ ObZfxSgbdjAyRGS1ZnYrSW2YpCINnhix8udQOuxi+UqEw815+bPG+xnWn+NKNh1TC3XWnkrGB8PEJ ozC0V1QdADd75ReT269r1PCUvfA7H0/T/pGuzileEv/GPGNd+nMI31VjW67Fa7hutQ8/9dRDke1VZ pLyu4sl/sTMH03Q3n+YWrpbkkngSEbIiwsqy7qXGv0NWTpHT8OvoNcEKT/cK5Mqnwtat6n2Jg8A7e 0SMmN71OzMqAGUSywaCjzg==; Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2024 22:19:04 +0200 Message-Id: <86a5cvpeiv.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <CAN+1HbqqUoa1KK4xNGz1CO7mrmk=NTnFei1Fr8qchccbLqC2Zg@HIDDEN> (message from Ship Mints on Mon, 16 Dec 2024 15:07:25 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#74833: 31.0.50; Copy to OS clipboard doesn't work in macOS Terminal.app with xterm-mouse-mode enabled References: <m1cyhweqhe.fsf@HIDDEN> <8634iszpa5.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1Hbr1k9vOBfB_rSxOTPnB51wM_w132hG7k_1Y61FkBDs=tQ@HIDDEN> <86y10ky9wf.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1HbrAA9HuGp-VFfQUbFLfu87B=2u6xYKs-=RR64p4Z7Ozfw@HIDDEN> <86wmg4xd2u.fsf@HIDDEN> <m1y10jo81o.fsf@HIDDEN> <86y10jwmsb.fsf@HIDDEN> <m1msgznx20.fsf@HIDDEN> <86ldwiwvjc.fsf@HIDDEN> <m2ldwi8uvx.fsf@HIDDEN> <m1pllrtwq1.fsf@HIDDEN> <m2jzbzfscp.fsf@HIDDEN> <m1v7vjsavb.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1Hbo03URNb5dUVgiX8ofzrYiWG9VtB3AF9pjGvRxrMgyYDQ@HIDDEN> <86ed27pfhj.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1HbqqUoa1KK4xNGz1CO7mrmk=NTnFei1Fr8qchccbLqC2Zg@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 74833 Cc: gerd.moellmann@HIDDEN, jared@HIDDEN, 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, fgunbin@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN> > Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2024 15:07:25 -0500 > Cc: fgunbin@HIDDEN, gerd.moellmann@HIDDEN, jared@HIDDEN, > 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > Now I see the recent change to master (Dec 9). I'd add that pretty much every other "curses" based app > that supports mouse activity defaults to mouse on, though. Not sure why Emacs's recent default to on should > be surprising. People would be surprised that the mouse doesn't work. That Terminal.app also steals > command keys from those apps is also not a surprise. First, xt-mouse is not about curses, it's about xterm-specific mouse protocol. And second, the issue here, at least for me, is not the user surprise that the mouse works, it's that features which used to work in Emacs when running on Terminal.app before that change cease to work, at least in some situations, now.
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I'd add that pretty much every other "curses" based app that supports mouse activity defaults to mouse on, though. Not sure why Emacs's recent default to on should be surprising. People would be surprised that the mouse doesn't work. That Terminal.app also steals command keys from those apps is also not a surprise. On Mon, Dec 16, 2024 at 2:58=E2=80=AFPM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote: > > From: Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN> > > Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2024 14:20:40 -0500 > > Cc: Gerd M=C3=B6llmann <gerd.moellmann@HIDDEN>, > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, Jared Finder <jared@HIDDEN>, > 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > > > I think about it like this: if Terminal.app successfully passed through > all its keys (which it can be configured to > > do), Command-C would appear in Emacs as M-c but it doesn't. Does it > surprise you that Command-P offers > > the print dialog when Emacs is running in the terminal? This is no > different than Command-C. That > > Terminal.app supersedes Emacs is not an Emacs problem, it's Terminal's > problem. This feels like > > documentation issue not something to cure with default Emacs > configuration. > > > > Other terminal applications like iTerm or WezTerm can be programmed > similarly to pass through all keys > > that you want them to with modifiers, but by default, they don't. These > can't be Emacs's problem either. > > Same with Emacs run via ssh with tmux on the other side. That's a > "default" set of features offered on many > > systems and their configuration is not Emacs's problem. > > I see your points, but the fact remains that our enabling of > xterm-mouse-mode triggered these problems where previously there were > none. > > > This issue sounds like an "impedance mismatch" to my ears, even if it > surprises some users and requires > > some configuration depending on your specific goals and should perhaps > be better documented. > > If a default behavior needs documentation to explain it, it is usually > a sign of a not-very-good default, IME. > --000000000000850ced062968bd7c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospac= e">Now I see the recent change to master (Dec 9). I'd add that pretty m= uch every other "curses" based app that supports mouse activity d= efaults to mouse on, though. Not sure why Emacs's=C2=A0recent=C2=A0defa= ult to on should be surprising. People would be surprised that the mouse do= esn't work. That Terminal.app also steals command keys from those apps = is also not a surprise.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quot= e_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Dec 16, 2024 at = 2:58=E2=80=AFPM Eli Zaretskii <<a href=3D"mailto:eliz@HIDDEN">eliz@gnu.= org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg= in:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1e= x">> From: Ship Mints <<a href=3D"mailto:shipmints@HIDDEN" target= =3D"_blank">shipmints@HIDDEN</a>><br> > Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2024 14:20:40 -0500<br> > Cc: Gerd M=C3=B6llmann <<a href=3D"mailto:gerd.moellmann@HIDDEN"= target=3D"_blank">gerd.moellmann@HIDDEN</a>>, <br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Eli Zaretskii <<a href=3D"mailto:eliz@gnu= .org" target=3D"_blank">eliz@HIDDEN</a>>, Jared Finder <<a href=3D"m= ailto:jared@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">jared@HIDDEN</a>>, <a href= =3D"mailto:74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" target=3D"_blank">74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org</= a><br> > <br> > I think about it like this: if Terminal.app successfully passed throug= h all its keys (which it can be configured to<br> > do), Command-C would appear in Emacs as M-c but it doesn't. Does i= t surprise you that Command-P offers<br> > the print dialog when Emacs is running in the terminal? This is no dif= ferent than Command-C. That<br> > Terminal.app supersedes Emacs is not an Emacs problem, it's Termin= al's problem. This feels like<br> > documentation issue not something to cure with default Emacs configura= tion.<br> > <br> > Other terminal applications like iTerm or WezTerm can be programmed si= milarly to pass through all keys<br> > that you want them to with modifiers, but by default, they don't. = These can't be Emacs's problem either.<br> > Same with Emacs run via ssh with tmux on the other side. That's a = "default" set of features offered on many<br> > systems and their configuration is not Emacs's problem.<br> <br> I see your points, but the fact remains that our enabling of<br> xterm-mouse-mode triggered these problems where previously there were<br> none.<br> <br> > This issue sounds like an "impedance mismatch" to my ears, e= ven if it surprises some users and requires<br> > some configuration depending on your specific goals and should perhaps= be better documented.<br> <br> If a default behavior needs documentation to explain it, it is usually<br> a sign of a not-very-good default, IME.<br> </blockquote></div> --000000000000850ced062968bd7c--
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#74833; Package emacs.
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[2003:e0:b72b:6c00:b173:351:38bb:c769]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a640c23a62f3a-aab96006514sm361351366b.36.2024.12.16.11.57.27 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 16 Dec 2024 11:57:27 -0800 (PST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Gerd_M=C3=B6llmann?= <gerd.moellmann@HIDDEN> To: Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#74833: 31.0.50; Copy to OS clipboard doesn't work in macOS Terminal.app with xterm-mouse-mode enabled In-Reply-To: <CAN+1Hbo03URNb5dUVgiX8ofzrYiWG9VtB3AF9pjGvRxrMgyYDQ@HIDDEN> (Ship Mints's message of "Mon, 16 Dec 2024 14:20:40 -0500") References: <m1cyhweqhe.fsf@HIDDEN> <8634iszpa5.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1Hbr1k9vOBfB_rSxOTPnB51wM_w132hG7k_1Y61FkBDs=tQ@HIDDEN> <86y10ky9wf.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1HbrAA9HuGp-VFfQUbFLfu87B=2u6xYKs-=RR64p4Z7Ozfw@HIDDEN> <86wmg4xd2u.fsf@HIDDEN> <m1y10jo81o.fsf@HIDDEN> <86y10jwmsb.fsf@HIDDEN> <m1msgznx20.fsf@HIDDEN> <86ldwiwvjc.fsf@HIDDEN> <m2ldwi8uvx.fsf@HIDDEN> <m1pllrtwq1.fsf@HIDDEN> <m2jzbzfscp.fsf@HIDDEN> <m1v7vjsavb.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1Hbo03URNb5dUVgiX8ofzrYiWG9VtB3AF9pjGvRxrMgyYDQ@HIDDEN> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2024 20:57:26 +0100 Message-ID: <m2zfkve6zd.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 74833 Cc: Jared Finder <jared@HIDDEN>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, Filipp Gunbin <fgunbin@HIDDEN>, 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN> writes: > Other terminal applications like iTerm or WezTerm can be programmed > similarly to pass through all keys that you want them to with > modifiers, but by default, they don't. Right. It's the support for the Kitty Keyboard Protocol, which allows this. Which Emacs doesn't support OOTB, only through the kkp package.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#74833; Package emacs.
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[2003:e0:b72b:6c00:b173:351:38bb:c769]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a640c23a62f3a-aab9638a12dsm362587066b.134.2024.12.16.11.53.25 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 16 Dec 2024 11:53:26 -0800 (PST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Gerd_M=C3=B6llmann?= <gerd.moellmann@HIDDEN> To: Filipp Gunbin <fgunbin@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#74833: 31.0.50; Copy to OS clipboard doesn't work in macOS Terminal.app with xterm-mouse-mode enabled In-Reply-To: <m1v7vjsavb.fsf@HIDDEN> (Filipp Gunbin's message of "Mon, 16 Dec 2024 22:09:44 +0300") References: <m1cyhweqhe.fsf@HIDDEN> <8634iszpa5.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1Hbr1k9vOBfB_rSxOTPnB51wM_w132hG7k_1Y61FkBDs=tQ@HIDDEN> <86y10ky9wf.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1HbrAA9HuGp-VFfQUbFLfu87B=2u6xYKs-=RR64p4Z7Ozfw@HIDDEN> <86wmg4xd2u.fsf@HIDDEN> <m1y10jo81o.fsf@HIDDEN> <86y10jwmsb.fsf@HIDDEN> <m1msgznx20.fsf@HIDDEN> <86ldwiwvjc.fsf@HIDDEN> <m2ldwi8uvx.fsf@HIDDEN> <m1pllrtwq1.fsf@HIDDEN> <m2jzbzfscp.fsf@HIDDEN> <m1v7vjsavb.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2024 20:53:25 +0100 Message-ID: <m24j33flqi.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 74833 Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, Jared Finder <jared@HIDDEN>, 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, shipmints@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Filipp Gunbin <fgunbin@HIDDEN> writes: >> I think it's best if we simply agree to disagree. > > I don't think we disagree much, I see the value of xterm-mouse-mode > (although I like "just text" on tty, no menus etc.), the only thing > which concerns me (and is the reason for this bug) are "half-broken" > defaults. I disagree completely :-). I don't see "half-broken" defaults. > We're discussing whether to disable xterm-mouse-mode only in > Terminal.app, not everywhere. I don't think it's proven that only Terminal.app behaves the way it does. At least iTerm can be configured in a way that it behaves almost the same. And Alacritty as well. Without seeing Command-C in Emacs, and then doing something to bring Emacs' selection to the pasteboard, it's pretty difficult for a terminal emulator to know what's going on in the app. It would have to be a clairvoyant.
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Does it surprise you that Command-P offers the print dialog when Emacs is running in the terminal? This is no different than Command-C. That Terminal.app supersedes Emacs is not an Emacs problem, it's Terminal's problem. This feels like documentation issue not something to cure with default Emacs configuration. Other terminal applications like iTerm or WezTerm can be programmed similarly to pass through all keys that you want them to with modifiers, but by default, they don't. These can't be Emacs's problem either. Same with Emacs run via ssh with tmux on the other side. That's a "default" set of features offered on many systems and their configuration is not Emacs's problem. This issue sounds like an "impedance mismatch" to my ears, even if it surprises some users and requires some configuration depending on your specific goals and should perhaps be better documented. On Mon, Dec 16, 2024 at 2:09=E2=80=AFPM Filipp Gunbin <fgunbin@HIDDEN>= wrote: > On 16/12/2024 18:30 +0100, Gerd M=C3=B6llmann wrote: > > > Filipp Gunbin <fgunbin@HIDDEN> writes: > > > >>> Terminal.app's Command-C can only copy a selection that the app knows > >>> about. > >> > >> Not really - with xterm-mouse-mode disabled (and with "Allow mouse > >> reporting" ticked in Terminal.app menu), mouse selection in Terminal.a= pp > >> is not related to Emacs selection, and copy / paste works. > > > > What I meant with my sentence is that the selection Emacs shows and the > > selection Terminal.app shows and uses are not related to each other. > > Maybe that's a cause of confusion, I don't know. > > > >> > >>> If the mouse is used by an app like Emacs (Terminal.app's > >>> Settings/Report ....)) the user tells Terminal to let the app use the > mouse. > >>> I find it little surprising that when Terminal.app does that, it > doesn't > >>> use the mouse itself to make a selection it could then copy. > >> > >> It does, although that's Terminal.app's "own" selection, not Emacs's. > >> > >>> Do Command-A Command-C and see what happens. > >>> > >>> Or use Command-R to toggle the mouse reporting setting on the fly. > >>> > >>> Or use xclip in Emacs. > >>> > >>> Please don't disable xterm-mouse for this. > >> > >> Again, it turns out that the new default leads to copy not working at > >> all, while with previous default you could make selection in > >> Terminal.app (it's not reflected in Emacs) and then copy. Paste works > >> in both cases. It still looks to me that the old default is better. = If > >> you enable xterm-mouse-mode, then perhaps you should also use xclip, n= ot > >> just the mode itself. > > > > Mouse support by default is an important feature, IMO. It makes the men= u > > bar usable, or in a future Emacs containing tty child frames tooltips > > can be shown. Not to mention setting point and what else. > > > > What's the positive effect of turning mouse support off by default? > > Command-C works for users who haven't set up terminal Emacs well enough > > that they could use M-w, plus in addition don't know Terminal.app well > > enough to know about Command-R or Fn + mouse. > > My point is exactly that Command-C _doesn't work_ for them, with current > defaults (xterm-mouse-mode on in Emacs; "Allow mouse reporting" ticked - > which is the default for a new Terminal.app tab, at least here). > > > I think it's best if we simply agree to disagree. > > I don't think we disagree much, I see the value of xterm-mouse-mode > (although I like "just text" on tty, no menus etc.), the only thing > which concerns me (and is the reason for this bug) are "half-broken" > defaults. We're discussing whether to disable xterm-mouse-mode only in > Terminal.app, not everywhere. > --00000000000050304f0629681667 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospac= e">I think about it like this: if Terminal.app successfully passed through = all its keys (which it can be configured to do), Command-C would appear in = Emacs as M-c but it doesn't. Does it surprise you that Command-P offers= the print dialog when Emacs is running in the terminal? This is no differe= nt than Command-C. That Terminal.app supersedes Emacs is not an Emacs probl= em, it's Terminal's problem. This feels like documentation issue no= t something to cure with default Emacs configuration.</div><div class=3D"gm= ail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_= default" style=3D"font-family:monospace">Other terminal applications like i= Term or WezTerm can be programmed similarly to pass through all keys that y= ou want them to with modifiers, but by default, they don't. These can&#= 39;t be Emacs's problem either. Same with Emacs run via ssh with tmux o= n the other side. That's a "default" set of features offered = on many systems and their configuration is not Emacs's problem.</div><d= iv class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace"><br></div><div c= lass=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace">This issue sounds li= ke an "impedance mismatch" to my ears, even if it surprises some = users and requires some configuration depending on your specific goals and = should perhaps be better documented.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo= te gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Dec= 16, 2024 at 2:09=E2=80=AFPM Filipp Gunbin <<a href=3D"mailto:fgunbin@fa= stmail.fm">fgunbin@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D= "gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(2= 04,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 16/12/2024 18:30 +0100, Gerd M=C3=B6llmann= wrote:<br> <br> > Filipp Gunbin <<a href=3D"mailto:fgunbin@HIDDEN" target=3D"_bl= ank">fgunbin@HIDDEN</a>> writes:<br> ><br> >>> Terminal.app's Command-C can only copy a selection that th= e app knows<br> >>> about.<br> >><br> >> Not really - with xterm-mouse-mode disabled (and with "Allow = mouse<br> >> reporting" ticked in Terminal.app menu), mouse selection in T= erminal.app<br> >> is not related to Emacs selection, and copy / paste works.<br> ><br> > What I meant with my sentence is that the selection Emacs shows and th= e<br> > selection Terminal.app shows and uses are not related to each other.<b= r> > Maybe that's a cause of confusion, I don't know.<br> ><br> >><br> >>> If the mouse is used by an app like Emacs (Terminal.app's<= br> >>> Settings/Report ....)) the user tells Terminal to let the app = use the mouse.<br> >>> I find it little surprising that when Terminal.app does that, = it doesn't<br> >>> use the mouse itself to make a selection it could then copy.<b= r> >><br> >> It does, although that's Terminal.app's "own" se= lection, not Emacs's.<br> >><br> >>> Do Command-A Command-C and see what happens.<br> >>><br> >>> Or use Command-R to toggle the mouse reporting setting on the = fly.<br> >>><br> >>> Or use xclip in Emacs.<br> >>><br> >>> Please don't disable xterm-mouse for this.<br> >><br> >> Again, it turns out that the new default leads to copy not working= at<br> >> all, while with previous default you could make selection in<br> >> Terminal.app (it's not reflected in Emacs) and then copy.=C2= =A0 Paste works<br> >> in both cases.=C2=A0 It still looks to me that the old default is = better.=C2=A0 If<br> >> you enable xterm-mouse-mode, then perhaps you should also use xcli= p, not<br> >> just the mode itself.<br> ><br> > Mouse support by default is an important feature, IMO. It makes the me= nu<br> > bar usable, or in a future Emacs containing tty child frames tooltips<= br> > can be shown. Not to mention setting point and what else.<br> ><br> > What's the positive effect of turning mouse support off by default= ?<br> > Command-C works for users who haven't set up terminal Emacs well e= nough<br> > that they could use M-w, plus in addition don't know Terminal.app = well<br> > enough to know about Command-R or Fn + mouse.<br> <br> My point is exactly that Command-C _doesn't work_ for them, with curren= t<br> defaults (xterm-mouse-mode on in Emacs; "Allow mouse reporting" t= icked -<br> which is the default for a new Terminal.app tab, at least here).<br> <br> > I think it's best if we simply agree to disagree.<br> <br> I don't think we disagree much, I see the value of xterm-mouse-mode<br> (although I like "just text" on tty, no menus etc.), the only thi= ng<br> which concerns me (and is the reason for this bug) are "half-broken&qu= ot;<br> defaults.=C2=A0 We're discussing whether to disable xterm-mouse-mode on= ly in<br> Terminal.app, not everywhere.<br> </blockquote></div> --00000000000050304f0629681667--
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On 16/12/2024 18:30 +0100, Gerd M=C3=B6llmann wrote:
> Filipp Gunbin <fgunbin@HIDDEN> writes:
>
>>> Terminal.app's Command-C can only copy a selection that the app knows
>>> about.
>>
>> Not really - with xterm-mouse-mode disabled (and with "Allow mouse
>> reporting" ticked in Terminal.app menu), mouse selection in Terminal.app
>> is not related to Emacs selection, and copy / paste works.
>
> What I meant with my sentence is that the selection Emacs shows and the
> selection Terminal.app shows and uses are not related to each other.
> Maybe that's a cause of confusion, I don't know.
>
>>
>>> If the mouse is used by an app like Emacs (Terminal.app's
>>> Settings/Report ....)) the user tells Terminal to let the app use the m=
ouse.
>>> I find it little surprising that when Terminal.app does that, it doesn't
>>> use the mouse itself to make a selection it could then copy.
>>
>> It does, although that's Terminal.app's "own" selection, not Emacs's.
>>
>>> Do Command-A Command-C and see what happens.
>>>
>>> Or use Command-R to toggle the mouse reporting setting on the fly.
>>>
>>> Or use xclip in Emacs.
>>>
>>> Please don't disable xterm-mouse for this.
>>
>> Again, it turns out that the new default leads to copy not working at
>> all, while with previous default you could make selection in
>> Terminal.app (it's not reflected in Emacs) and then copy. Paste works
>> in both cases. It still looks to me that the old default is better. If
>> you enable xterm-mouse-mode, then perhaps you should also use xclip, not
>> just the mode itself.
>
> Mouse support by default is an important feature, IMO. It makes the menu
> bar usable, or in a future Emacs containing tty child frames tooltips
> can be shown. Not to mention setting point and what else.
>
> What's the positive effect of turning mouse support off by default?
> Command-C works for users who haven't set up terminal Emacs well enough
> that they could use M-w, plus in addition don't know Terminal.app well
> enough to know about Command-R or Fn + mouse.
My point is exactly that Command-C _doesn't work_ for them, with current
defaults (xterm-mouse-mode on in Emacs; "Allow mouse reporting" ticked -
which is the default for a new Terminal.app tab, at least here).
> I think it's best if we simply agree to disagree.
I don't think we disagree much, I see the value of xterm-mouse-mode
(although I like "just text" on tty, no menus etc.), the only thing
which concerns me (and is the reason for this bug) are "half-broken"
defaults. We're discussing whether to disable xterm-mouse-mode only in
Terminal.app, not everywhere.
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It makes the menu >> bar usable, or in a future Emacs containing tty child frames tooltips >> can be shown. Not to mention setting point and what else. > > I agree that mouse support is an important feature -- if it works well > and doesn't cause regressions. Here it seems like at least some > people could see some breakage. > > It is easy to turn on xterm-mouse-mode for those who want it and don't > get anything broken due to it. Turning it on by default is only TRT > if there are no significant downsides. IOW, we shouldn't force users > to turn off some feature that is turned on by default because the > default doesn't work or breaks something. You left out the part where I said for whom it breaks something :-).
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[2003:e0:b72b:6c00:b173:351:38bb:c769]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a640c23a62f3a-aab963598c2sm351739466b.96.2024.12.16.09.36.01 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 16 Dec 2024 09:36:01 -0800 (PST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Gerd_M=C3=B6llmann?= <gerd.moellmann@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#74833: 31.0.50; Copy to OS clipboard doesn't work in macOS Terminal.app with xterm-mouse-mode enabled In-Reply-To: <86ttb3pos2.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 16 Dec 2024 18:37:33 +0200") References: <f60142c9c903bf4e29776c6ede21f7d0@HIDDEN> <m2msgwfg8c.fsf@HIDDEN> <535228fe493971e918ee22faeb58c433@HIDDEN> <86ttb3pos2.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2024 18:36:01 +0100 Message-ID: <m2frmnfs3i.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 74833 Cc: fgunbin@HIDDEN, 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Jared Finder <jared@HIDDEN>, shipmints@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2024 21:16:16 -0800 >> From: Jared Finder <jared@HIDDEN> >> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, Filipp Gunbin <fgunbin@HIDDEN>, >> 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, shipmints@HIDDEN >>=20 >> On 2024-12-15 19:40, Gerd M=C3=B6llmann wrote: >> > Jared Finder <jared@HIDDEN> writes: >> >=20 >> >> What about adding a workaround that uses the command line tool pbcopy >> >> (Mac version of xclip)? The pbcopy program is distributed with MacOS >> >> by default. >> >=20 >> > The Elpa package xclip uses that. >> >=20 >> > ;; This package allows Emacs to copy to and paste from the GUI=20 >> > clipboard >> > ;; when running in text terminal. >> > ;; >> > ;; It can use external command-line tools for that, which you may=20 >> > need >> > ;; to install in order for the package to work. >>=20 >> Thanks. I just tested xclip-mode from Elpa and it indeed works to get=20 >> copy operations work with Terminal.app. I think the best path forward=20 >> would be to just mention this package in the NEWS update as a workaround= =20 >> for folks using Terminal.app. We could also recommend using iTerm2 as a= =20 >> GPL'd alternative that properly supports copy. (Paste works fine because= =20 >> Terminal.app supports xterm bracketed pastes.) >>=20 >> Eli, does this sound good to you? > > It does (I think it should also be in PROBLEMS), but I wonder whether > we should disable xterm-mouse on Terminal.app (assuming we can detect > it). It sounds like more people could bump into this tricky issue, > and relying on all of them read NEWS is too optimistic. > > What are the downsides of turning this off for Terminal.app? That's > what Emacs before 31 had, so it cannot be too bad. In my last reply to the OP I wrote=20 Mouse support by default is an important feature, IMO. It makes the menu bar usable, or in a future Emacs containing tty child frames tooltips can be shown. Not to mention setting point and what else. What's the positive effect of turning mouse support off by default? Command-C works for users who haven't set up terminal Emacs well enough that they could use M-w, plus in addition don't know Terminal.app well enough to know about Command-R or Fn + mouse.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#74833; Package emacs.
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[2003:e0:b72b:6c00:b173:351:38bb:c769]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a640c23a62f3a-aab963594c9sm350699266b.112.2024.12.16.09.30.31 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 16 Dec 2024 09:30:31 -0800 (PST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Gerd_M=C3=B6llmann?= <gerd.moellmann@HIDDEN> To: Filipp Gunbin <fgunbin@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#74833: 31.0.50; Copy to OS clipboard doesn't work in macOS Terminal.app with xterm-mouse-mode enabled In-Reply-To: <m1pllrtwq1.fsf@HIDDEN> (Filipp Gunbin's message of "Mon, 16 Dec 2024 19:32:22 +0300") References: <m1cyhweqhe.fsf@HIDDEN> <8634iszpa5.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1Hbr1k9vOBfB_rSxOTPnB51wM_w132hG7k_1Y61FkBDs=tQ@HIDDEN> <86y10ky9wf.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1HbrAA9HuGp-VFfQUbFLfu87B=2u6xYKs-=RR64p4Z7Ozfw@HIDDEN> <86wmg4xd2u.fsf@HIDDEN> <m1y10jo81o.fsf@HIDDEN> <86y10jwmsb.fsf@HIDDEN> <m1msgznx20.fsf@HIDDEN> <86ldwiwvjc.fsf@HIDDEN> <m2ldwi8uvx.fsf@HIDDEN> <m1pllrtwq1.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2024 18:30:30 +0100 Message-ID: <m2jzbzfscp.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 74833 Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, Jared Finder <jared@HIDDEN>, 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, shipmints@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Filipp Gunbin <fgunbin@HIDDEN> writes: >> Terminal.app's Command-C can only copy a selection that the app knows >> about. > > Not really - with xterm-mouse-mode disabled (and with "Allow mouse > reporting" ticked in Terminal.app menu), mouse selection in Terminal.app > is not related to Emacs selection, and copy / paste works. What I meant with my sentence is that the selection Emacs shows and the selection Terminal.app shows and uses are not related to each other. Maybe that's a cause of confusion, I don't know. > >> If the mouse is used by an app like Emacs (Terminal.app's >> Settings/Report ....)) the user tells Terminal to let the app use the mouse. >> I find it little surprising that when Terminal.app does that, it doesn't >> use the mouse itself to make a selection it could then copy. > > It does, although that's Terminal.app's "own" selection, not Emacs's. > >> Do Command-A Command-C and see what happens. >> >> Or use Command-R to toggle the mouse reporting setting on the fly. >> >> Or use xclip in Emacs. >> >> Please don't disable xterm-mouse for this. > > Again, it turns out that the new default leads to copy not working at > all, while with previous default you could make selection in > Terminal.app (it's not reflected in Emacs) and then copy. Paste works > in both cases. It still looks to me that the old default is better. If > you enable xterm-mouse-mode, then perhaps you should also use xclip, not > just the mode itself. Mouse support by default is an important feature, IMO. It makes the menu bar usable, or in a future Emacs containing tty child frames tooltips can be shown. Not to mention setting point and what else. What's the positive effect of turning mouse support off by default? Command-C works for users who haven't set up terminal Emacs well enough that they could use M-w, plus in addition don't know Terminal.app well enough to know about Command-R or Fn + mouse. I think it's best if we simply agree to disagree.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#74833; Package emacs.
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(I use clipetty when terminals support osc52--there's no easy programmatic test for that which I'm aware of so I set that up "by hand.") I don't think it is a good idea to blanket disable xterm-mouse for macOS users. FWIW, one can detect it via getenv "TERM_PROGRAM" when set to "Apple_Termin= al". I'd suggest this is an exercise for the user. In my configuration, I have various things I configure based on if macOS and the terminal program; one being Apple's Terminal.app, another being WezTerm, etc. On Mon, Dec 16, 2024 at 11:37=E2=80=AFAM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote= : > > Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2024 21:16:16 -0800 > > From: Jared Finder <jared@HIDDEN> > > Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, Filipp Gunbin <fgunbin@HIDDEN>, > > 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, shipmints@HIDDEN > > > > On 2024-12-15 19:40, Gerd M=C3=B6llmann wrote: > > > Jared Finder <jared@HIDDEN> writes: > > > > > >> What about adding a workaround that uses the command line tool pbcop= y > > >> (Mac version of xclip)? The pbcopy program is distributed with MacOS > > >> by default. > > > > > > The Elpa package xclip uses that. > > > > > > ;; This package allows Emacs to copy to and paste from the GUI > > > clipboard > > > ;; when running in text terminal. > > > ;; > > > ;; It can use external command-line tools for that, which you may > > > need > > > ;; to install in order for the package to work. > > > > Thanks. I just tested xclip-mode from Elpa and it indeed works to get > > copy operations work with Terminal.app. I think the best path forward > > would be to just mention this package in the NEWS update as a workaroun= d > > for folks using Terminal.app. We could also recommend using iTerm2 as a > > GPL'd alternative that properly supports copy. (Paste works fine becaus= e > > Terminal.app supports xterm bracketed pastes.) > > > > Eli, does this sound good to you? > > It does (I think it should also be in PROBLEMS), but I wonder whether > we should disable xterm-mouse on Terminal.app (assuming we can detect > it). It sounds like more people could bump into this tricky issue, > and relying on all of them read NEWS is too optimistic. > > What are the downsides of turning this off for Terminal.app? That's > what Emacs before 31 had, so it cannot be too bad. > --000000000000527aa6062965f29a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D""><font face=3D"mono= space">I use xterm-mouse under Terminal.app just fine as I rely only=C2=A0o= n=C2=A0Emacs pasteboard integration via xclip. (I use=C2=A0clipetty when te= rminals support osc52--there's no easy programmatic test for that which= I'm aware of so I set=C2=A0that up "by hand.") I don't t= hink it is a good idea to blanket=C2=A0disable xterm-mouse for macOS users.= </font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D""><font face=3D"monospac= e"><br></font></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D""><font face=3D"m= onospace">FWIW, one can detect it via getenv "TERM_PROGRAM" when = set to=C2=A0</font><span style=3D"font-family:monospace">"Apple_Termin= al". I'd suggest this=C2=A0is an exercise for the user. In my conf= iguration, I have various things I configure based on if macOS and the term= inal program; one being Apple's Terminal.app, another being WezTerm, et= c.</span></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><= div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Dec 16, 2024 at 11:37=E2=80=AF= AM Eli Zaretskii <<a href=3D"mailto:eliz@HIDDEN">eliz@HIDDEN</a>> w= rote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0p= x 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">> Date:= Sun, 15 Dec 2024 21:16:16 -0800<br> > From: Jared Finder <<a href=3D"mailto:jared@HIDDEN" target=3D"_= blank">jared@HIDDEN</a>><br> > Cc: Eli Zaretskii <<a href=3D"mailto:eliz@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank= ">eliz@HIDDEN</a>>, Filipp Gunbin <<a href=3D"mailto:fgunbin@fastmai= l.fm" target=3D"_blank">fgunbin@HIDDEN</a>>,<br> >=C2=A0 <a href=3D"mailto:74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" target=3D"_blank">74833= @debbugs.gnu.org</a>, <a href=3D"mailto:shipmints@HIDDEN" target=3D"_bla= nk">shipmints@HIDDEN</a><br> > <br> > On 2024-12-15 19:40, Gerd M=C3=B6llmann wrote:<br> > > Jared Finder <<a href=3D"mailto:jared@HIDDEN" target=3D"_b= lank">jared@HIDDEN</a>> writes:<br> > > <br> > >> What about adding a workaround that uses the command line too= l pbcopy<br> > >> (Mac version of xclip)? The pbcopy program is distributed wit= h MacOS<br> > >> by default.<br> > > <br> > > The Elpa package xclip uses that.<br> > > <br> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0;; This package allows Emacs to copy to and paste fro= m the GUI <br> > > clipboard<br> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0;; when running in text terminal.<br> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0;;<br> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0;; It can use external command-line tools for that, w= hich you may <br> > > need<br> > >=C2=A0 =C2=A0;; to install in order for the package to work.<br> > <br> > Thanks. I just tested xclip-mode from Elpa and it indeed works to get = <br> > copy operations work with Terminal.app. I think the best path forward = <br> > would be to just mention this package in the NEWS update as a workarou= nd <br> > for folks using Terminal.app. We could also recommend using iTerm2 as = a <br> > GPL'd alternative that properly supports copy. (Paste works fine b= ecause <br> > Terminal.app supports xterm bracketed pastes.)<br> > <br> > Eli, does this sound good to you?<br> <br> It does (I think it should also be in PROBLEMS), but I wonder whether<br> we should disable xterm-mouse on Terminal.app (assuming we can detect<br> it).=C2=A0 It sounds like more people could bump into this tricky issue,<br= > and relying on all of them read NEWS is too optimistic.<br> <br> What are the downsides of turning this off for Terminal.app?=C2=A0 That'= ;s<br> what Emacs before 31 had, so it cannot be too bad.<br> </blockquote></div> --000000000000527aa6062965f29a--
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Mon, 16 Dec 2024 11:49:05 -0500 (EST) From: Filipp Gunbin <fgunbin@HIDDEN> To: Jared Finder <jared@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#74833: 31.0.50; Copy to OS clipboard doesn't work in macOS Terminal.app with xterm-mouse-mode enabled In-Reply-To: <f60142c9c903bf4e29776c6ede21f7d0@HIDDEN> (Jared Finder's message of "Sun, 15 Dec 2024 17:41:01 -0800") References: <f60142c9c903bf4e29776c6ede21f7d0@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2024 19:49:03 +0300 Message-ID: <m1ldwftvy8.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 74833 Cc: Gerd =?utf-8?Q?M=C3=B6llmann?= <gerd.moellmann@HIDDEN>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, shipmints@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) On 15/12/2024 17:41 -0800, Jared Finder wrote: > On 2024-12-14 04:40, Gerd M=C3=B6llmann wrote: >> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >>=20 >>>> From: Filipp Gunbin <fgunbin@HIDDEN> >>>> Cc: shipmints@HIDDEN, 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org >>>> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2024 23:32:39 +0300 >>>> On 13/12/2024 18:49 +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >>>> >> From: Filipp Gunbin <fgunbin@HIDDEN> >>>> >> Cc: Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN>, 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org >>>> >> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2024 19:35:15 +0300 >>>> >> >>>> >> On 13/12/2024 09:21 +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> > So why is this an Emacs bug? It sounds like the OP expects somet= hing >>>> >> > to happen which shouldn't, because the xterm protocol for selecti= ons >>>> >> > and the clipboard are not supported by Terminal.app? In that cas= e, >>>> >> > this could be at best a feature request, not a bug. >>>> >> >>>> >> I'll try to explain differently. >>>> >> >>>> >> Without xterm-mouse-mode you can copy/paste from/into Terminal.app >>>> >> window, looks like Terminal.app gives this ability on its own. Thi= s is >>>> >> not integration with Emacs kill ring, no. Emacs cursor does not re= act >>>> >> to mouse clicks, and selection happens with OS mouse pointer. Paste >>>> >> works rather slow (bad idea to paste large chunks of text), but >>>> >> tolerable. >>>> >> >>>> >> Now, yesterday my daily master build got me xterm-mouse-mode enable= d, so >>>> >> I did some testing just out of curiosity. Most of the things work, >>>> >> including clicking and selection. However, Command-C now just does= n't >>>> >> copy text to OS clipboard. And it's non-obvious that you should di= sable >>>> >> xterm-mouse-mode to be able to copy. >>>> > >>>> > xterm-mouse-mode is supposed to be enabled only on terminals that lo= ad >>>> > xterm.el, which means they are xterm-compatible. Does Terminal.app >>>> > load xterm.el on startup? >>>> Terminal.app sets TERM=3Dxterm-256color (this is configurable in >>>> "Settings >>>> -> Profiles -> Advanced -> Declare terminal as", I doubt I ever >>>> changed >>>> it), so xterm.el should be loaded, yes. >>>> Other term-related vars are: >>>> TERM_PROGRAM=3DApple_Terminal >>>> TERM_PROGRAM_VERSION=3D453 >>>> TERM_SESSION_ID=3D1251C872-8246-4380-A2AE-ED1F8B649878 >>> Then we should amend xterm.el to not allow xterm-mouse on this >>> terminal. Jared, could you please add such a condition? >>> And I think the Terminal.app developers should be told that >>> pretending >>> to be xterm without full support for all the xterm features is not >>> TRT, and they should stop. Would someone please file an issue with >>> their issue tracker? >> I still think that this is a cockpit error. > > I agree. While in Emacs, with Emacs managing the selection, one should > expect to use Emacs commands to manage the clipboard like C-w and > M-w. Sadly, Terminal.app does not support OSC52 therefore the > clipboard is shared only within Emacs. Terminal.app provides fn+mouse > drag to select things that Command-C notices as well as Command-R to > disable mouse reporting already for exactly this reason. I didn't know about fn + mouse drag, thanks! > However, I'm sensitive that someone using Terminal.app is just using > the MacOS default configuration for terminal and will think Emacs is > broken here. Terminal.app is MacOS's default terminal emulator after > all. That's my point, yes. > Other popular MacOS terminal emulators like iTerm2 work fine > because they support OSC52 (copy protocol). > > What about adding a workaround that uses the command line tool pbcopy > (Mac version of xclip)? The pbcopy program is distributed with MacOS > by default. This won't work over SSH, but at that point I don't think > there's anything that can be done. TERM_PROGRAM isn't sent to the > server by default. Having thing like that in Emacs, without a need for installing a package, would be best from my POV. > I also think I could make the news entry more detailed. > > > Paste works just fine in MacOS under Terminal.app for me. For me too.
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On 14/12/2024 10:40 +0100, Gerd M=C3=B6llmann wrote:
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
>
>>> From: Filipp Gunbin <fgunbin@HIDDEN>
>>> Cc: shipmints@HIDDEN, 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
>>> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2024 23:32:39 +0300
>>>=20
>>> On 13/12/2024 18:49 +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>>>=20
>>> >> From: Filipp Gunbin <fgunbin@HIDDEN>
>>> >> Cc: Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN>, 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
>>> >> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2024 19:35:15 +0300
>>> >>
>>> >> On 13/12/2024 09:21 +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > So why is this an Emacs bug? It sounds like the OP expects someth=
ing
>>> >> > to happen which shouldn't, because the xterm protocol for selectio=
ns
>>> >> > and the clipboard are not supported by Terminal.app? In that case,
>>> >> > this could be at best a feature request, not a bug.
>>> >>
>>> >> I'll try to explain differently.
>>> >>
>>> >> Without xterm-mouse-mode you can copy/paste from/into Terminal.app
>>> >> window, looks like Terminal.app gives this ability on its own. This=
is
>>> >> not integration with Emacs kill ring, no. Emacs cursor does not rea=
ct
>>> >> to mouse clicks, and selection happens with OS mouse pointer. Paste
>>> >> works rather slow (bad idea to paste large chunks of text), but
>>> >> tolerable.
>>> >>
>>> >> Now, yesterday my daily master build got me xterm-mouse-mode enabled=
, so
>>> >> I did some testing just out of curiosity. Most of the things work,
>>> >> including clicking and selection. However, Command-C now just doesn=
't
>>> >> copy text to OS clipboard. And it's non-obvious that you should dis=
able
>>> >> xterm-mouse-mode to be able to copy.
>>> >
>>> > xterm-mouse-mode is supposed to be enabled only on terminals that load
>>> > xterm.el, which means they are xterm-compatible. Does Terminal.app
>>> > load xterm.el on startup?
>>>=20
>>> Terminal.app sets TERM=3Dxterm-256color (this is configurable in "Setti=
ngs
>>> -> Profiles -> Advanced -> Declare terminal as", I doubt I ever changed
>>> it), so xterm.el should be loaded, yes.
>>>=20
>>> Other term-related vars are:
>>>=20
>>> TERM_PROGRAM=3DApple_Terminal
>>> TERM_PROGRAM_VERSION=3D453
>>> TERM_SESSION_ID=3D1251C872-8246-4380-A2AE-ED1F8B649878
>>
>> Then we should amend xterm.el to not allow xterm-mouse on this
>> terminal. Jared, could you please add such a condition?
>>
>> And I think the Terminal.app developers should be told that pretending
>> to be xterm without full support for all the xterm features is not
>> TRT, and they should stop. Would someone please file an issue with
>> their issue tracker?
>
> I still think that this is a cockpit error.
>
> Terminal.app's Command-C can only copy a selection that the app knows
> about.
Not really - with xterm-mouse-mode disabled (and with "Allow mouse
reporting" ticked in Terminal.app menu), mouse selection in Terminal.app
is not related to Emacs selection, and copy / paste works.
> If the mouse is used by an app like Emacs (Terminal.app's
> Settings/Report ....)) the user tells Terminal to let the app use the mou=
se.
> I find it little surprising that when Terminal.app does that, it doesn't
> use the mouse itself to make a selection it could then copy.
It does, although that's Terminal.app's "own" selection, not Emacs's.
> Do Command-A Command-C and see what happens.
>
> Or use Command-R to toggle the mouse reporting setting on the fly.
>
> Or use xclip in Emacs.
>
> Please don't disable xterm-mouse for this.
Again, it turns out that the new default leads to copy not working at
all, while with previous default you could make selection in
Terminal.app (it's not reflected in Emacs) and then copy. Paste works
in both cases. It still looks to me that the old default is better. If
you enable xterm-mouse-mode, then perhaps you should also use xclip, not
just the mode itself.
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Full text available.Received: (at 74833) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Dec 2024 16:31:10 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Dec 16 11:31:10 2024 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55726 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1tNDzx-000336-QU for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2024 11:31:10 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:41234) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1tNDzv-00032p-K3 for 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2024 11:31:08 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1tNDzp-0001Ej-PG; Mon, 16 Dec 2024 11:31:01 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=142n+h/PIc9Yy871fu8QZxnMmNgdanOiTp6TWZA0gPc=; b=EeYCRAxLY6lONvgIOATk q7aIQHiiihCMYkd9m7ly4s2uo0iQCsA5S1pgwfMGaBQQAoLH6QQyuDKJ+/dTFKvgm3dE9dbtaN+a9 RxexRQSmeXVj5VLLM0OGXD41Txl08I1edyoHdwb2JotsBrUNTS76RkIlbFtTk5d/ZDj4bq3kuYhIa R+PfwZyKMRU9XWDpDsa4Ab3wtLM3txzotq8w/+Z5zlyUVbhEqnxf5JzwacxDES0wdR/UIoeMhPtCr YQzAnnxH4GT4LNU9jBRY+DraTcUEGKMEXYLhBRKSsK09F0jhw2SUdokSxVH4gHEKLhrANPBUFiaLR tP1GiHf0n61xDg==; Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2024 18:30:53 +0200 Message-Id: <86v7vjpp36.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Gerd =?iso-8859-1?Q?M=F6llmann?= <gerd.moellmann@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <m2msgwfg8c.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Gerd =?iso-8859-1?Q?M=F6llmann?= on Mon, 16 Dec 2024 04:40:03 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#74833: 31.0.50; Copy to OS clipboard doesn't work in macOS Terminal.app with xterm-mouse-mode enabled References: <f60142c9c903bf4e29776c6ede21f7d0@HIDDEN> <m2msgwfg8c.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 74833 Cc: fgunbin@HIDDEN, 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, jared@HIDDEN, shipmints@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Gerd Möllmann <gerd.moellmann@HIDDEN> > Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, Filipp Gunbin <fgunbin@HIDDEN>, > 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, shipmints@HIDDEN > Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2024 04:40:03 +0100 > > Jared Finder <jared@HIDDEN> writes: > > > What about adding a workaround that uses the command line tool pbcopy > > (Mac version of xclip)? The pbcopy program is distributed with MacOS > > by default. > > The Elpa package xclip uses that. > > ;; This package allows Emacs to copy to and paste from the GUI clipboard > ;; when running in text terminal. > ;; > ;; It can use external command-line tools for that, which you may need > ;; to install in order for the package to work. > ;; More specifically, it can use the following tools: > ;; - Under X11: `xclip' or `xsel' (https://xclip.sourceforge.net and > ;; https://www.vergenet.net/~conrad/software/xsel/ respectively). > ;; - MacOS: `pbpaste/pbcopy' > ;; - Cygwin: `getclip/putclip' > ;; - Under Wayland: `wl-clipboard' (https://github.com/bugaevc/wl-clipboard) > ;; - Termux: `termux-clipboard-get/set' > ;; - Emacs: It can also use Emacs's built-in GUI support to talk to the GUI. > ;; This requires an Emacs built with GUI support. > ;; It uses `make-frame-on-display' which has been tested to work under X11, > ;; but it's not known whether it works under MacOS or Windows. It is not needed on Windows (at least the latest versions of it).
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#74833; Package emacs.
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The pbcopy program is distributed with MacOS > by default. The Elpa package xclip uses that. ;; This package allows Emacs to copy to and paste from the GUI clipboard ;; when running in text terminal. ;; ;; It can use external command-line tools for that, which you may need ;; to install in order for the package to work. ;; More specifically, it can use the following tools: ;; - Under X11: `xclip' or `xsel' (https://xclip.sourceforge.net and ;; https://www.vergenet.net/~conrad/software/xsel/ respectively). ;; - MacOS: `pbpaste/pbcopy' ;; - Cygwin: `getclip/putclip' ;; - Under Wayland: `wl-clipboard' (https://github.com/bugaevc/wl-clipboard) ;; - Termux: `termux-clipboard-get/set' ;; - Emacs: It can also use Emacs's built-in GUI support to talk to the GUI. ;; This requires an Emacs built with GUI support. ;; It uses `make-frame-on-display' which has been tested to work under X11, ;; but it's not known whether it works under MacOS or Windows.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#74833; Package emacs.
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It sounds like the OP expects something >>> >> > to happen which shouldn't, because the xterm protocol for selections >>> >> > and the clipboard are not supported by Terminal.app? In that case, >>> >> > this could be at best a feature request, not a bug. >>> >> >>> >> I'll try to explain differently. >>> >> >>> >> Without xterm-mouse-mode you can copy/paste from/into Terminal.app >>> >> window, looks like Terminal.app gives this ability on its own. This is >>> >> not integration with Emacs kill ring, no. Emacs cursor does not react >>> >> to mouse clicks, and selection happens with OS mouse pointer. Paste >>> >> works rather slow (bad idea to paste large chunks of text), but >>> >> tolerable. >>> >> >>> >> Now, yesterday my daily master build got me xterm-mouse-mode enabled, so >>> >> I did some testing just out of curiosity. Most of the things work, >>> >> including clicking and selection. However, Command-C now just doesn't >>> >> copy text to OS clipboard. And it's non-obvious that you should disable >>> >> xterm-mouse-mode to be able to copy. >>> > >>> > xterm-mouse-mode is supposed to be enabled only on terminals that load >>> > xterm.el, which means they are xterm-compatible. Does Terminal.app >>> > load xterm.el on startup? >>> >>> Terminal.app sets TERM=xterm-256color (this is configurable in >>> "Settings >>> -> Profiles -> Advanced -> Declare terminal as", I doubt I ever >>> changed >>> it), so xterm.el should be loaded, yes. >>> >>> Other term-related vars are: >>> >>> TERM_PROGRAM=Apple_Terminal >>> TERM_PROGRAM_VERSION=453 >>> TERM_SESSION_ID=1251C872-8246-4380-A2AE-ED1F8B649878 >> >> Then we should amend xterm.el to not allow xterm-mouse on this >> terminal. Jared, could you please add such a condition? >> >> And I think the Terminal.app developers should be told that pretending >> to be xterm without full support for all the xterm features is not >> TRT, and they should stop. Would someone please file an issue with >> their issue tracker? > > I still think that this is a cockpit error. I agree. While in Emacs, with Emacs managing the selection, one should expect to use Emacs commands to manage the clipboard like C-w and M-w. Sadly, Terminal.app does not support OSC52 therefore the clipboard is shared only within Emacs. Terminal.app provides fn+mouse drag to select things that Command-C notices as well as Command-R to disable mouse reporting already for exactly this reason. However, I'm sensitive that someone using Terminal.app is just using the MacOS default configuration for terminal and will think Emacs is broken here. Terminal.app is MacOS's default terminal emulator after all. Other popular MacOS terminal emulators like iTerm2 work fine because they support OSC52 (copy protocol). What about adding a workaround that uses the command line tool pbcopy (Mac version of xclip)? The pbcopy program is distributed with MacOS by default. This won't work over SSH, but at that point I don't think there's anything that can be done. TERM_PROGRAM isn't sent to the server by default. I also think I could make the news entry more detailed. Paste works just fine in MacOS under Terminal.app for me. -- MJF
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[2003:e0:b713:7300:7113:9a27:8fc5:18ee]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a640c23a62f3a-aab9638ec3dsm72977166b.150.2024.12.14.01.40.51 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sat, 14 Dec 2024 01:40:51 -0800 (PST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Gerd_M=C3=B6llmann?= <gerd.moellmann@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#74833: 31.0.50; Copy to OS clipboard doesn't work in macOS Terminal.app with xterm-mouse-mode enabled In-Reply-To: <86ldwiwvjc.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 14 Dec 2024 09:52:55 +0200") References: <m1cyhweqhe.fsf@HIDDEN> <8634iszpa5.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1Hbr1k9vOBfB_rSxOTPnB51wM_w132hG7k_1Y61FkBDs=tQ@HIDDEN> <86y10ky9wf.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1HbrAA9HuGp-VFfQUbFLfu87B=2u6xYKs-=RR64p4Z7Ozfw@HIDDEN> <86wmg4xd2u.fsf@HIDDEN> <m1y10jo81o.fsf@HIDDEN> <86y10jwmsb.fsf@HIDDEN> <m1msgznx20.fsf@HIDDEN> <86ldwiwvjc.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2024 10:40:50 +0100 Message-ID: <m2ldwi8uvx.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 74833 Cc: Jared Finder <jared@HIDDEN>, 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Filipp Gunbin <fgunbin@HIDDEN>, shipmints@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> From: Filipp Gunbin <fgunbin@HIDDEN> >> Cc: shipmints@HIDDEN, 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2024 23:32:39 +0300 >> >> On 13/12/2024 18:49 +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> >> >> From: Filipp Gunbin <fgunbin@HIDDEN> >> >> Cc: Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN>, 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org >> >> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2024 19:35:15 +0300 >> >> >> >> On 13/12/2024 09:21 +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> >> >> >> > So why is this an Emacs bug? It sounds like the OP expects something >> >> > to happen which shouldn't, because the xterm protocol for selections >> >> > and the clipboard are not supported by Terminal.app? In that case, >> >> > this could be at best a feature request, not a bug. >> >> >> >> I'll try to explain differently. >> >> >> >> Without xterm-mouse-mode you can copy/paste from/into Terminal.app >> >> window, looks like Terminal.app gives this ability on its own. This is >> >> not integration with Emacs kill ring, no. Emacs cursor does not react >> >> to mouse clicks, and selection happens with OS mouse pointer. Paste >> >> works rather slow (bad idea to paste large chunks of text), but >> >> tolerable. >> >> >> >> Now, yesterday my daily master build got me xterm-mouse-mode enabled, so >> >> I did some testing just out of curiosity. Most of the things work, >> >> including clicking and selection. However, Command-C now just doesn't >> >> copy text to OS clipboard. And it's non-obvious that you should disable >> >> xterm-mouse-mode to be able to copy. >> > >> > xterm-mouse-mode is supposed to be enabled only on terminals that load >> > xterm.el, which means they are xterm-compatible. Does Terminal.app >> > load xterm.el on startup? >> >> Terminal.app sets TERM=xterm-256color (this is configurable in "Settings >> -> Profiles -> Advanced -> Declare terminal as", I doubt I ever changed >> it), so xterm.el should be loaded, yes. >> >> Other term-related vars are: >> >> TERM_PROGRAM=Apple_Terminal >> TERM_PROGRAM_VERSION=453 >> TERM_SESSION_ID=1251C872-8246-4380-A2AE-ED1F8B649878 > > Then we should amend xterm.el to not allow xterm-mouse on this > terminal. Jared, could you please add such a condition? > > And I think the Terminal.app developers should be told that pretending > to be xterm without full support for all the xterm features is not > TRT, and they should stop. Would someone please file an issue with > their issue tracker? I still think that this is a cockpit error. Terminal.app's Command-C can only copy a selection that the app knows about. If the mouse is used by an app like Emacs (Terminal.app's Settings/Report ....)) the user tells Terminal to let the app use the mouse. I find it little surprising that when Terminal.app does that, it doesn't use the mouse itself to make a selection it could then copy. Do Command-A Command-C and see what happens. Or use Command-R to toggle the mouse reporting setting on the fly. Or use xclip in Emacs. Please don't disable xterm-mouse for this.
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It sounds like the OP expects something > >> > to happen which shouldn't, because the xterm protocol for selections > >> > and the clipboard are not supported by Terminal.app? In that case, > >> > this could be at best a feature request, not a bug. > >> > >> I'll try to explain differently. > >> > >> Without xterm-mouse-mode you can copy/paste from/into Terminal.app > >> window, looks like Terminal.app gives this ability on its own. This is > >> not integration with Emacs kill ring, no. Emacs cursor does not react > >> to mouse clicks, and selection happens with OS mouse pointer. Paste > >> works rather slow (bad idea to paste large chunks of text), but > >> tolerable. > >> > >> Now, yesterday my daily master build got me xterm-mouse-mode enabled, so > >> I did some testing just out of curiosity. Most of the things work, > >> including clicking and selection. However, Command-C now just doesn't > >> copy text to OS clipboard. And it's non-obvious that you should disable > >> xterm-mouse-mode to be able to copy. > > > > xterm-mouse-mode is supposed to be enabled only on terminals that load > > xterm.el, which means they are xterm-compatible. Does Terminal.app > > load xterm.el on startup? > > Terminal.app sets TERM=xterm-256color (this is configurable in "Settings > -> Profiles -> Advanced -> Declare terminal as", I doubt I ever changed > it), so xterm.el should be loaded, yes. > > Other term-related vars are: > > TERM_PROGRAM=Apple_Terminal > TERM_PROGRAM_VERSION=453 > TERM_SESSION_ID=1251C872-8246-4380-A2AE-ED1F8B649878 Then we should amend xterm.el to not allow xterm-mouse on this terminal. Jared, could you please add such a condition? And I think the Terminal.app developers should be told that pretending to be xterm without full support for all the xterm features is not TRT, and they should stop. Would someone please file an issue with their issue tracker?
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This will require some experimentation. Give xterm.el a try and see how it goes. I would not load that by default without conformance testing of some kind. I suppose it would already have been by now if it was known to work. Take a look at this page https://dotat.at/@/2020-12-12-terminal-app-xterm-compatibiity.html someone did some work in this regard. I might give some of this a try myself one day. On Fri, Dec 13, 2024 at 3:32=E2=80=AFPM Filipp Gunbin <fgunbin@HIDDEN>= wrote: > On 13/12/2024 18:49 +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > >> From: Filipp Gunbin <fgunbin@HIDDEN> > >> Cc: Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN>, 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > >> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2024 19:35:15 +0300 > >> > >> On 13/12/2024 09:21 +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > >> > >> > So why is this an Emacs bug? It sounds like the OP expects somethin= g > >> > to happen which shouldn't, because the xterm protocol for selections > >> > and the clipboard are not supported by Terminal.app? In that case, > >> > this could be at best a feature request, not a bug. > >> > >> I'll try to explain differently. > >> > >> Without xterm-mouse-mode you can copy/paste from/into Terminal.app > >> window, looks like Terminal.app gives this ability on its own. This i= s > >> not integration with Emacs kill ring, no. Emacs cursor does not react > >> to mouse clicks, and selection happens with OS mouse pointer. Paste > >> works rather slow (bad idea to paste large chunks of text), but > >> tolerable. > >> > >> Now, yesterday my daily master build got me xterm-mouse-mode enabled, = so > >> I did some testing just out of curiosity. Most of the things work, > >> including clicking and selection. However, Command-C now just doesn't > >> copy text to OS clipboard. And it's non-obvious that you should disab= le > >> xterm-mouse-mode to be able to copy. > > > > xterm-mouse-mode is supposed to be enabled only on terminals that load > > xterm.el, which means they are xterm-compatible. Does Terminal.app > > load xterm.el on startup? > > Terminal.app sets TERM=3Dxterm-256color (this is configurable in "Setting= s > -> Profiles -> Advanced -> Declare terminal as", I doubt I ever changed > it), so xterm.el should be loaded, yes. > > Other term-related vars are: > > TERM_PROGRAM=3DApple_Terminal > TERM_PROGRAM_VERSION=3D453 > TERM_SESSION_ID=3D1251C872-8246-4380-A2AE-ED1F8B649878 > --000000000000c7c25a06292d0b2d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospac= e">I'm afraid to say that TERM indicates terminfo support, not whether = <a href=3D"http://terminal.app">terminal.app</a> provides full xterm compat= ibility which I believe it doesn't, at least not without manual modific= ations to the key maps and I can't speak to other=C2=A0xterm features. = This will require some experimentation. Give xterm.el a try and see how it = goes. I would not load that by default without conformance testing of some = kind. I suppose it would already have been by now if it was known to work.<= /div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace"><br></div= ><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace">Take a look a= t this page=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://dotat.at/@/2020-12-12-terminal-app-xter= m-compatibiity.html">https://dotat.at/@/2020-12-12-terminal-app-xterm-compa= tibiity.html</a> someone did some work in this regard. I might give some of= this a try myself one day.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_= quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Dec 13, 2024= at 3:32=E2=80=AFPM Filipp Gunbin <<a href=3D"mailto:fgunbin@HIDDEN= ">fgunbin@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu= ote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,20= 4);padding-left:1ex">On 13/12/2024 18:49 +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote:<br> <br> >> From: Filipp Gunbin <<a href=3D"mailto:fgunbin@HIDDEN" tar= get=3D"_blank">fgunbin@HIDDEN</a>><br> >> Cc: Ship Mints <<a href=3D"mailto:shipmints@HIDDEN" target= =3D"_blank">shipmints@HIDDEN</a>>,=C2=A0 <a href=3D"mailto:74833@debb= ugs.gnu.org" target=3D"_blank">74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org</a><br> >> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2024 19:35:15 +0300<br> >><br> >> On 13/12/2024 09:21 +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote:<br> >><br> >> > So why is this an Emacs bug?=C2=A0 It sounds like the OP expe= cts something<br> >> > to happen which shouldn't, because the xterm protocol for= selections<br> >> > and the clipboard are not supported by Terminal.app?=C2=A0 In= that case,<br> >> > this could be at best a feature request, not a bug.<br> >><br> >> I'll try to explain differently.<br> >><br> >> Without xterm-mouse-mode you can copy/paste from/into Terminal.app= <br> >> window, looks like Terminal.app gives this ability on its own.=C2= =A0 This is<br> >> not integration with Emacs kill ring, no.=C2=A0 Emacs cursor does = not react<br> >> to mouse clicks, and selection happens with OS mouse pointer.=C2= =A0 Paste<br> >> works rather slow (bad idea to paste large chunks of text), but<br= > >> tolerable.<br> >><br> >> Now, yesterday my daily master build got me xterm-mouse-mode enabl= ed, so<br> >> I did some testing just out of curiosity.=C2=A0 Most of the things= work,<br> >> including clicking and selection.=C2=A0 However, Command-C now jus= t doesn't<br> >> copy text to OS clipboard.=C2=A0 And it's non-obvious that you= should disable<br> >> xterm-mouse-mode to be able to copy.<br> ><br> > xterm-mouse-mode is supposed to be enabled only on terminals that load= <br> > xterm.el, which means they are xterm-compatible.=C2=A0 Does Terminal.a= pp<br> > load xterm.el on startup?<br> <br> Terminal.app sets TERM=3Dxterm-256color (this is configurable in "Sett= ings<br> -> Profiles -> Advanced -> Declare terminal as", I doubt I ev= er changed<br> it), so xterm.el should be loaded, yes.<br> <br> Other term-related vars are:<br> <br> TERM_PROGRAM=3DApple_Terminal<br> TERM_PROGRAM_VERSION=3D453<br> TERM_SESSION_ID=3D1251C872-8246-4380-A2AE-ED1F8B649878<br> </blockquote></div> --000000000000c7c25a06292d0b2d--
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Fri, 13 Dec 2024 15:46:30 -0500 (EST) From: Filipp Gunbin <fgunbin@HIDDEN> To: Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#74833: 31.0.50; Copy to OS clipboard doesn't work in macOS Terminal.app with xterm-mouse-mode enabled In-Reply-To: <CAN+1Hbp8wuKb2PoLzLohOrWgs5pYJs3i+xTGaj+AaNwRZQG_pQ@HIDDEN> (Ship Mints's message of "Fri, 13 Dec 2024 11:52:37 -0500") References: <m1cyhweqhe.fsf@HIDDEN> <8634iszpa5.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1Hbr1k9vOBfB_rSxOTPnB51wM_w132hG7k_1Y61FkBDs=tQ@HIDDEN> <86y10ky9wf.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1HbrAA9HuGp-VFfQUbFLfu87B=2u6xYKs-=RR64p4Z7Ozfw@HIDDEN> <86wmg4xd2u.fsf@HIDDEN> <m1y10jo81o.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1Hbp52JGbEqJx9ogTeaJUWN_LoA_j+JNYg7oYGa1DWg9SkQ@HIDDEN> <CAN+1Hbp8wuKb2PoLzLohOrWgs5pYJs3i+xTGaj+AaNwRZQG_pQ@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2024 23:46:27 +0300 Message-ID: <m1frmrnwf0.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 74833 Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On 13/12/2024 11:52 -0500, Ship Mints wrote: > Try experimenting with alternative terminals such as > https://wezfurlong.org/wezterm/ which I've used and where I remap all of > the keys to pass through to Emacs vs. letting the terminal application > abscond with functions like Command-C. I can share my wezterm configuration > off line if you're interested. I still remain mostly GUI on macOS but > occasionally use the terminal, and especially useful for running Emacs via > ssh on a remote computer (vs. tramp). Thank you for the tips! I'm certainly fine with xterm-mouse-mode off, this bug is rather to let people know that the _default_ behavior worsened, in default macOS terminal.
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It sounds like the OP expects something >> > to happen which shouldn't, because the xterm protocol for selections >> > and the clipboard are not supported by Terminal.app? In that case, >> > this could be at best a feature request, not a bug. >> >> I'll try to explain differently. >> >> Without xterm-mouse-mode you can copy/paste from/into Terminal.app >> window, looks like Terminal.app gives this ability on its own. This is >> not integration with Emacs kill ring, no. Emacs cursor does not react >> to mouse clicks, and selection happens with OS mouse pointer. Paste >> works rather slow (bad idea to paste large chunks of text), but >> tolerable. >> >> Now, yesterday my daily master build got me xterm-mouse-mode enabled, so >> I did some testing just out of curiosity. Most of the things work, >> including clicking and selection. However, Command-C now just doesn't >> copy text to OS clipboard. And it's non-obvious that you should disable >> xterm-mouse-mode to be able to copy. > > xterm-mouse-mode is supposed to be enabled only on terminals that load > xterm.el, which means they are xterm-compatible. Does Terminal.app > load xterm.el on startup? Terminal.app sets TERM=xterm-256color (this is configurable in "Settings -> Profiles -> Advanced -> Declare terminal as", I doubt I ever changed it), so xterm.el should be loaded, yes. Other term-related vars are: TERM_PROGRAM=Apple_Terminal TERM_PROGRAM_VERSION=453 TERM_SESSION_ID=1251C872-8246-4380-A2AE-ED1F8B649878
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[209.85.221.170 listed in bl.score.senderscore.com] 1.0 FREEMAIL_REPLY From and body contain different freemails X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 74833 Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.3 (/) --0000000000001031ac062929ab21 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Try experimenting with alternative terminals such as https://wezfurlong.org/wezterm/ which I've used and where I remap all of the keys to pass through to Emacs vs. letting the terminal application abscond with functions like Command-C. I can share my wezterm configuration off line if you're interested. I still remain mostly GUI on macOS but occasionally use the terminal, and especially useful for running Emacs via ssh on a remote computer (vs. tramp). On Fri, Dec 13, 2024 at 11:42=E2=80=AFAM Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN> w= rote: > What you describe is normal behavior, even if it appears confusing. It's > an "impedance mismatch" between terminal.app and being in a "curses" > window. Terminal doesn't "see" selected text and hence Command-C is > disabled. This is the opposite for a basic shell where terminal sees the > text because it controls selection. You can see this by pulling down the > Edit menu and seeing Copy grayed out. As far as how xterm-mouse-mode > interferes with Command-C I'd have to disable it myself and see what's > going on. Not sure how much value that adds, though. If you enable xclip, > you'll get what you want being inside Emacs, after all, using M-w gets yo= ur > selected text copied to the pasteboard. > > On Fri, Dec 13, 2024 at 11:35=E2=80=AFAM Filipp Gunbin <fgunbin@fastmail.= fm> > wrote: > >> On 13/12/2024 09:21 +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> >> >> From: Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN> >> >> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2024 15:31:00 -0500 >> >> Cc: fgunbin@HIDDEN, 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org >> >> >> >> I have xterm-mouse-mode enabled when in tty mode on macOS and it does >> work for clicking/selecting but >> >> this is independent of integrating the kill ring with the pasteboard. >> I am unaware of how to test the >> >> completeness of the xterm mouse protocol support, however. >> > >> > So why is this an Emacs bug? It sounds like the OP expects something >> > to happen which shouldn't, because the xterm protocol for selections >> > and the clipboard are not supported by Terminal.app? In that case, >> > this could be at best a feature request, not a bug. >> >> I'll try to explain differently. >> >> Without xterm-mouse-mode you can copy/paste from/into Terminal.app >> window, looks like Terminal.app gives this ability on its own. This is >> not integration with Emacs kill ring, no. Emacs cursor does not react >> to mouse clicks, and selection happens with OS mouse pointer. Paste >> works rather slow (bad idea to paste large chunks of text), but >> tolerable. >> >> Now, yesterday my daily master build got me xterm-mouse-mode enabled, so >> I did some testing just out of curiosity. Most of the things work, >> including clicking and selection. However, Command-C now just doesn't >> copy text to OS clipboard. And it's non-obvious that you should disable >> xterm-mouse-mode to be able to copy. >> >> That's why I filed this bug - because previous behavior was not ideal >> but working, and now only paste works. >> >> Maybe we should just avoid enabling xterm-mouse-mode in Terminal.app. >> Maybe functionality of xclip should be in core. >> > --0000000000001031ac062929ab21 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospac= e">Try experimenting with alternative terminals such as=C2=A0<a href=3D"htt= ps://wezfurlong.org/wezterm/">https://wezfurlong.org/wezterm/</a> which I&#= 39;ve used and where I remap all of the keys to pass through to Emacs vs. l= etting the terminal application abscond with functions like Command-C. I ca= n share my wezterm=C2=A0configuration off line if you're=C2=A0intereste= d. I still remain mostly GUI on macOS but occasionally use the terminal, an= d especially useful for running Emacs via ssh on a remote computer (vs. tra= mp).</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div d= ir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Dec 13, 2024 at 11:42=E2=80=AFAM Sh= ip Mints <<a href=3D"mailto:shipmints@HIDDEN">shipmints@HIDDEN</a>= > wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px = 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div= dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace">W= hat you describe is normal behavior, even if it appears confusing. It's= an "impedance mismatch" between <a href=3D"http://terminal.app" = target=3D"_blank">terminal.app</a> and being in a "curses" window= . Terminal doesn't "see" selected text and hence Command-C is= disabled. This is the opposite for a basic shell where terminal sees the t= ext because it=C2=A0controls selection. You can see this by pulling down th= e Edit menu and seeing Copy grayed out. As far as how xterm-mouse-mode inte= rferes with Command-C I'd have to disable it myself and see what's = going on. Not sure how much value that adds, though. If you enable xclip, y= ou'll get what you want being inside Emacs, after all,=C2=A0using M-w g= ets your selected text copied to the pasteboard.</div></div><br><div class= =3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Dec 13, 2024= at 11:35=E2=80=AFAM Filipp Gunbin <<a href=3D"mailto:fgunbin@HIDDEN= m" target=3D"_blank">fgunbin@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquot= e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px s= olid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 13/12/2024 09:21 +0200, Eli Zare= tskii wrote:<br> <br> >> From: Ship Mints <<a href=3D"mailto:shipmints@HIDDEN" target= =3D"_blank">shipmints@HIDDEN</a>><br> >> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2024 15:31:00 -0500<br> >> Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:fgunbin@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">fgunb= in@HIDDEN</a>, <a href=3D"mailto:74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" target=3D"_bla= nk">74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org</a><br> >> <br> >> I have xterm-mouse-mode enabled when in tty mode on macOS and it d= oes work for clicking/selecting but<br> >> this is independent of integrating the kill ring with the pasteboa= rd. I am unaware of how to test the<br> >> completeness of the xterm mouse protocol support, however.<br> ><br> > So why is this an Emacs bug?=C2=A0 It sounds like the OP expects somet= hing<br> > to happen which shouldn't, because the xterm protocol for selectio= ns<br> > and the clipboard are not supported by Terminal.app?=C2=A0 In that cas= e,<br> > this could be at best a feature request, not a bug.<br> <br> I'll try to explain differently.<br> <br> Without xterm-mouse-mode you can copy/paste from/into Terminal.app<br> window, looks like Terminal.app gives this ability on its own.=C2=A0 This i= s<br> not integration with Emacs kill ring, no.=C2=A0 Emacs cursor does not react= <br> to mouse clicks, and selection happens with OS mouse pointer.=C2=A0 Paste<b= r> works rather slow (bad idea to paste large chunks of text), but<br> tolerable.<br> <br> Now, yesterday my daily master build got me xterm-mouse-mode enabled, so<br= > I did some testing just out of curiosity.=C2=A0 Most of the things work,<br= > including clicking and selection.=C2=A0 However, Command-C now just doesn&#= 39;t<br> copy text to OS clipboard.=C2=A0 And it's non-obvious that you should d= isable<br> xterm-mouse-mode to be able to copy.<br> <br> That's why I filed this bug - because previous behavior was not ideal<b= r> but working, and now only paste works.<br> <br> Maybe we should just avoid enabling xterm-mouse-mode in Terminal.app.<br> Maybe functionality of xclip should be in core.<br> </blockquote></div> </blockquote></div> --0000000000001031ac062929ab21--
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It's an "impedance mismatch" between terminal.app and being in a "curses" window. Terminal doesn't "see" selected text and hence Command-C is disabled. This is the opposite for a basic shell where terminal sees the text because it controls selection. You can see this by pulling down the Edit menu and seeing Copy grayed out. As far as how xterm-mouse-mode interferes with Command-C I'd have to disable it myself and see what's going on. Not sure how much value that adds, though. If you enable xclip, you'll get what you want being inside Emacs, after all, using M-w gets your selected text copied to the pasteboard. On Fri, Dec 13, 2024 at 11:35=E2=80=AFAM Filipp Gunbin <fgunbin@HIDDEN= > wrote: > On 13/12/2024 09:21 +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > >> From: Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN> > >> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2024 15:31:00 -0500 > >> Cc: fgunbin@HIDDEN, 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > >> > >> I have xterm-mouse-mode enabled when in tty mode on macOS and it does > work for clicking/selecting but > >> this is independent of integrating the kill ring with the pasteboard. = I > am unaware of how to test the > >> completeness of the xterm mouse protocol support, however. > > > > So why is this an Emacs bug? It sounds like the OP expects something > > to happen which shouldn't, because the xterm protocol for selections > > and the clipboard are not supported by Terminal.app? In that case, > > this could be at best a feature request, not a bug. > > I'll try to explain differently. > > Without xterm-mouse-mode you can copy/paste from/into Terminal.app > window, looks like Terminal.app gives this ability on its own. This is > not integration with Emacs kill ring, no. Emacs cursor does not react > to mouse clicks, and selection happens with OS mouse pointer. Paste > works rather slow (bad idea to paste large chunks of text), but > tolerable. > > Now, yesterday my daily master build got me xterm-mouse-mode enabled, so > I did some testing just out of curiosity. Most of the things work, > including clicking and selection. However, Command-C now just doesn't > copy text to OS clipboard. And it's non-obvious that you should disable > xterm-mouse-mode to be able to copy. > > That's why I filed this bug - because previous behavior was not ideal > but working, and now only paste works. > > Maybe we should just avoid enabling xterm-mouse-mode in Terminal.app. > Maybe functionality of xclip should be in core. > --0000000000006cf1da06292985a2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospac= e">What you describe is normal behavior, even if it appears confusing. It&#= 39;s an "impedance mismatch" between <a href=3D"http://terminal.a= pp">terminal.app</a> and being in a "curses" window. Terminal doe= sn't "see" selected text and hence Command-C is disabled. Thi= s is the opposite for a basic shell where terminal sees the text because it= =C2=A0controls selection. You can see this by pulling down the Edit menu an= d seeing Copy grayed out. As far as how xterm-mouse-mode interferes with Co= mmand-C I'd have to disable it myself and see what's going on. Not = sure how much value that adds, though. If you enable xclip, you'll get = what you want being inside Emacs, after all,=C2=A0using M-w gets your selec= ted text copied to the pasteboard.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote= gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Dec 1= 3, 2024 at 11:35=E2=80=AFAM Filipp Gunbin <<a href=3D"mailto:fgunbin@fas= tmail.fm">fgunbin@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"= gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(20= 4,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 13/12/2024 09:21 +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote= :<br> <br> >> From: Ship Mints <<a href=3D"mailto:shipmints@HIDDEN" target= =3D"_blank">shipmints@HIDDEN</a>><br> >> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2024 15:31:00 -0500<br> >> Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:fgunbin@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">fgunb= in@HIDDEN</a>, <a href=3D"mailto:74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" target=3D"_bla= nk">74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org</a><br> >> <br> >> I have xterm-mouse-mode enabled when in tty mode on macOS and it d= oes work for clicking/selecting but<br> >> this is independent of integrating the kill ring with the pasteboa= rd. I am unaware of how to test the<br> >> completeness of the xterm mouse protocol support, however.<br> ><br> > So why is this an Emacs bug?=C2=A0 It sounds like the OP expects somet= hing<br> > to happen which shouldn't, because the xterm protocol for selectio= ns<br> > and the clipboard are not supported by Terminal.app?=C2=A0 In that cas= e,<br> > this could be at best a feature request, not a bug.<br> <br> I'll try to explain differently.<br> <br> Without xterm-mouse-mode you can copy/paste from/into Terminal.app<br> window, looks like Terminal.app gives this ability on its own.=C2=A0 This i= s<br> not integration with Emacs kill ring, no.=C2=A0 Emacs cursor does not react= <br> to mouse clicks, and selection happens with OS mouse pointer.=C2=A0 Paste<b= r> works rather slow (bad idea to paste large chunks of text), but<br> tolerable.<br> <br> Now, yesterday my daily master build got me xterm-mouse-mode enabled, so<br= > I did some testing just out of curiosity.=C2=A0 Most of the things work,<br= > including clicking and selection.=C2=A0 However, Command-C now just doesn&#= 39;t<br> copy text to OS clipboard.=C2=A0 And it's non-obvious that you should d= isable<br> xterm-mouse-mode to be able to copy.<br> <br> That's why I filed this bug - because previous behavior was not ideal<b= r> but working, and now only paste works.<br> <br> Maybe we should just avoid enabling xterm-mouse-mode in Terminal.app.<br> Maybe functionality of xclip should be in core.<br> </blockquote></div> --0000000000006cf1da06292985a2--
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Fri, 13 Dec 2024 11:35:19 -0500 (EST) From: Filipp Gunbin <fgunbin@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#74833: 31.0.50; Copy to OS clipboard doesn't work in macOS Terminal.app with xterm-mouse-mode enabled In-Reply-To: <86wmg4xd2u.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 13 Dec 2024 09:21:45 +0200") References: <m1cyhweqhe.fsf@HIDDEN> <8634iszpa5.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1Hbr1k9vOBfB_rSxOTPnB51wM_w132hG7k_1Y61FkBDs=tQ@HIDDEN> <86y10ky9wf.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1HbrAA9HuGp-VFfQUbFLfu87B=2u6xYKs-=RR64p4Z7Ozfw@HIDDEN> <86wmg4xd2u.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2024 19:35:15 +0300 Message-ID: <m1y10jo81o.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 74833 Cc: 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) On 13/12/2024 09:21 +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN> >> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2024 15:31:00 -0500 >> Cc: fgunbin@HIDDEN, 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org >> >> I have xterm-mouse-mode enabled when in tty mode on macOS and it does work for clicking/selecting but >> this is independent of integrating the kill ring with the pasteboard. I am unaware of how to test the >> completeness of the xterm mouse protocol support, however. > > So why is this an Emacs bug? It sounds like the OP expects something > to happen which shouldn't, because the xterm protocol for selections > and the clipboard are not supported by Terminal.app? In that case, > this could be at best a feature request, not a bug. I'll try to explain differently. Without xterm-mouse-mode you can copy/paste from/into Terminal.app window, looks like Terminal.app gives this ability on its own. This is not integration with Emacs kill ring, no. Emacs cursor does not react to mouse clicks, and selection happens with OS mouse pointer. Paste works rather slow (bad idea to paste large chunks of text), but tolerable. Now, yesterday my daily master build got me xterm-mouse-mode enabled, so I did some testing just out of curiosity. Most of the things work, including clicking and selection. However, Command-C now just doesn't copy text to OS clipboard. And it's non-obvious that you should disable xterm-mouse-mode to be able to copy. That's why I filed this bug - because previous behavior was not ideal but working, and now only paste works. Maybe we should just avoid enabling xterm-mouse-mode in Terminal.app. Maybe functionality of xclip should be in core.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#74833; Package emacs.
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I think OP was expressing surprise at features not working "out of the box." I suppose macOS terminal xmouse and kill-ring pasteboard integration deserve a mention in PROBLEMS. On Fri, Dec 13, 2024 at 2:21=E2=80=AFAM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote: > > From: Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN> > > Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2024 15:31:00 -0500 > > Cc: fgunbin@HIDDEN, 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > > > I have xterm-mouse-mode enabled when in tty mode on macOS and it does > work for clicking/selecting but > > this is independent of integrating the kill ring with the pasteboard. I > am unaware of how to test the > > completeness of the xterm mouse protocol support, however. > > So why is this an Emacs bug? It sounds like the OP expects something > to happen which shouldn't, because the xterm protocol for selections > and the clipboard are not supported by Terminal.app? In that case, > this could be at best a feature request, not a bug. > --000000000000d2ea6c062927e7ea Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospac= e">I agree. I think OP was expressing surprise at features not working &quo= t;out of the box." I suppose macOS terminal xmouse and kill-ring paste= board integration deserve a mention in PROBLEMS.</div></div><br><div class= =3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr= ">On Fri, Dec 13, 2024 at 2:21=E2=80=AFAM Eli Zaretskii <<a href=3D"mail= to:eliz@HIDDEN">eliz@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"= gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(20= 4,204,204);padding-left:1ex">> From: Ship Mints <<a href=3D"mailto:sh= ipmints@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">shipmints@HIDDEN</a>><br> > Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2024 15:31:00 -0500<br> > Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:fgunbin@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">fgunbin@f= astmail.fm</a>, <a href=3D"mailto:74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" target=3D"_blank">= 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org</a><br> > <br> > I have xterm-mouse-mode enabled when in tty mode on macOS and it does = work for clicking/selecting but<br> > this is independent of integrating the kill ring with the pasteboard. = I am unaware of how to test the<br> > completeness of the xterm mouse protocol support, however.<br> <br> So why is this an Emacs bug?=C2=A0 It sounds like the OP expects something<= br> to happen which shouldn't, because the xterm protocol for selections<br= > and the clipboard are not supported by Terminal.app?=C2=A0 In that case,<br= > this could be at best a feature request, not a bug.<br> </blockquote></div> --000000000000d2ea6c062927e7ea--
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Full text available.Received: (at 74833) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Dec 2024 07:24:13 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 13 02:24:13 2024 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41362 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1tM020-0005iv-NM for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2024 02:24:13 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:35930) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1tM01v-0005iU-M8 for 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2024 02:24:11 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1tLzzh-0000fg-Rg; Fri, 13 Dec 2024 02:21:51 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=0rFP53smyKyOmMZlrdgyYl387vkikwPXaU1sMdqyRMA=; b=rBfk2037+SlO XIRUA5uov5HTnWkqEtxKp2wwsKJbWe5Ejue1A09DNG/IN5gMQ1Yv+hSqgLTnr7RWgfWNfOWz8pQSE zFzhsr+C1+8WbQB06cCQLGOJwAxO4Ksv5jun0mukijHzSZrt2SiSdrEbZSzvpatFNwfPPy2V7ofNW iL2NwGwMpbVVwJbVUVOA5FmSCglrpeFS9FnTMZPsCxXFPi05xRUY665Nc/r713c6FSck+2qyEjm+T 92I3MtHDz5awqUR5NAdZg8cs0hlcbrnynGe/ouJJXxiF41bzP7CJkew7mELty60aNBncazU0Wydih DX5cHLHOAnmfBqbWM9GyBQ==; Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2024 09:21:45 +0200 Message-Id: <86wmg4xd2u.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <CAN+1HbrAA9HuGp-VFfQUbFLfu87B=2u6xYKs-=RR64p4Z7Ozfw@HIDDEN> (message from Ship Mints on Thu, 12 Dec 2024 15:31:00 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#74833: 31.0.50; Copy to OS clipboard doesn't work in macOS Terminal.app with xterm-mouse-mode enabled References: <m1cyhweqhe.fsf@HIDDEN> <8634iszpa5.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1Hbr1k9vOBfB_rSxOTPnB51wM_w132hG7k_1Y61FkBDs=tQ@HIDDEN> <86y10ky9wf.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1HbrAA9HuGp-VFfQUbFLfu87B=2u6xYKs-=RR64p4Z7Ozfw@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 74833 Cc: 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, fgunbin@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN> > Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2024 15:31:00 -0500 > Cc: fgunbin@HIDDEN, 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > I have xterm-mouse-mode enabled when in tty mode on macOS and it does work for clicking/selecting but > this is independent of integrating the kill ring with the pasteboard. I am unaware of how to test the > completeness of the xterm mouse protocol support, however. So why is this an Emacs bug? It sounds like the OP expects something to happen which shouldn't, because the xterm protocol for selections and the clipboard are not supported by Terminal.app? In that case, this could be at best a feature request, not a bug.
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I am unaware of how to test the completeness of the xterm mouse protocol support, however. On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 2:32=E2=80=AFPM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote: > > From: Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN> > > Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2024 14:18:47 -0500 > > Cc: Filipp Gunbin <fgunbin@HIDDEN>, 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > > > It supports a subset of mouse behavior via this user setting: > > > > > https://support.apple.com/guide/terminal/turn-on-mouse-reporting-trmlc697= 28a5/2.12/mac/11.0 > > That doesn't tell enough. xterm.el and xterm-mouse assume full > support for the xterm protocols, so partial support could well explain > why things don't work. > > In general, I don't recommend turn on xterm features on terminals > other than xterm, unless they are faithful emulations of xterm. > --000000000000758d990629189a4c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospac= e">I have xterm-mouse-mode enabled=C2=A0when in tty mode on macOS and it do= es work for clicking/selecting but this is independent of integrating the k= ill ring with the pasteboard. I am unaware of how to test the completeness = of the xterm mouse protocol support, however.</div></div><br><div class=3D"= gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On= Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 2:32=E2=80=AFPM Eli Zaretskii <<a href=3D"mailto:e= liz@HIDDEN">eliz@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmai= l_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,20= 4,204);padding-left:1ex">> From: Ship Mints <<a href=3D"mailto:shipmi= nts@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">shipmints@HIDDEN</a>><br> > Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2024 14:18:47 -0500<br> > Cc: Filipp Gunbin <<a href=3D"mailto:fgunbin@HIDDEN" target=3D= "_blank">fgunbin@HIDDEN</a>>, <a href=3D"mailto:74833@HIDDEN= rg" target=3D"_blank">74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org</a><br> > <br> > It supports a subset of mouse behavior via this user setting:<br> > <br> > <a href=3D"https://support.apple.com/guide/terminal/turn-on-mouse-repo= rting-trmlc69728a5/2.12/mac/11.0" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http= s://support.apple.com/guide/terminal/turn-on-mouse-reporting-trmlc69728a5/2= .12/mac/11.0</a><br> <br> That doesn't tell enough.=C2=A0 xterm.el and xterm-mouse assume full<br= > support for the xterm protocols, so partial support could well explain<br> why things don't work.<br> <br> In general, I don't recommend turn on xterm features on terminals<br> other than xterm, unless they are faithful emulations of xterm.<br> </blockquote></div> --000000000000758d990629189a4c--
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There is, for some reason, a checkbox in Terminal.app Settings dialog with which one can make Terminal.app not send xterm mouse escape sequences. If it's off when Emacs runs it doesn't get informed about mouse clicks and so on. So nothing happens.
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From: =?utf-8?Q?Gerd_M=C3=B6llmann?= <gerd.moellmann@HIDDEN>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>
Subject: Re: bug#74833: 31.0.50; Copy to OS clipboard doesn't work in macOS
Terminal.app with xterm-mouse-mode enabled
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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
>> From: Filipp Gunbin <fgunbin@HIDDEN>
>> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2024 20:54:53 +0300
>>
>> macOS, Terminal.app, xterm-mouse-mode enabled
>> emacs -nw -Q
>> Select something with mouse, press Command-c
>> Try to paste into another program - text is not in the clipboard
>>
>> Perhaps this is not new, I just tried xterm-mouse-mode for the first
>> time, given that it's now the default in master.
>>
>> Trying different combinations of select-enable-clipboard and
>> select-enable-primary did not help (that variables are all I know in
>> this area).
>
> Does the macOS Terminal.app support the xterm mouse protocol?
Yes it does.
The clipboard problem is something unrelated. Terminal applications can
access the macOS clipboard via command line utilities pbcopy and
pbpaste. I'm using the package xclip for that, which is very simple to
use
;; Clipboard support in terminal Emacs using pbcopy/pbpaste.
(use-package xclip :straight t
:if (not (display-graphic-p))
:config (xclip-mode 1))
Command-C, Command-V in Terminal.app are used by Terminal.app itself and
not by applications running in the terminal emulator. For example, to
copy shell output or paste something as shell input.
I don't think Terminal.app allows altering Command-V etc. so that Emacs
could use them. Other terminal emulators like iTerm allow doing that.
In summary, this is not a bug.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#74833; Package emacs.
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charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It supports a subset of mouse behavior via this user setting: https://support.apple.com/guide/terminal/turn-on-mouse-reporting-trmlc69728= a5/2.12/mac/11.0 On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 2:16=E2=80=AFPM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote: > > From: Filipp Gunbin <fgunbin@HIDDEN> > > Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2024 20:54:53 +0300 > > > > macOS, Terminal.app, xterm-mouse-mode enabled > > emacs -nw -Q > > Select something with mouse, press Command-c > > Try to paste into another program - text is not in the clipboard > > > > Perhaps this is not new, I just tried xterm-mouse-mode for the first > > time, given that it's now the default in master. > > > > Trying different combinations of select-enable-clipboard and > > select-enable-primary did not help (that variables are all I know in > > this area). > > Does the macOS Terminal.app support the xterm mouse protocol? > > > > --000000000000d9eaae0629179727 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospac= e">It supports a subset of mouse behavior via this user setting:</div><div = class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace"><br></div><div clas= s=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace"><a href=3D"https://supp= ort.apple.com/guide/terminal/turn-on-mouse-reporting-trmlc69728a5/2.12/mac/= 11.0">https://support.apple.com/guide/terminal/turn-on-mouse-reporting-trml= c69728a5/2.12/mac/11.0</a></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_q= uote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 = at 2:16=E2=80=AFPM Eli Zaretskii <<a href=3D"mailto:eliz@HIDDEN">eliz@g= nu.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m= argin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left= :1ex">> From: Filipp Gunbin <<a href=3D"mailto:fgunbin@HIDDEN" t= arget=3D"_blank">fgunbin@HIDDEN</a>><br> > Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2024 20:54:53 +0300<br> > <br> > macOS, Terminal.app, xterm-mouse-mode enabled<br> > emacs -nw -Q<br> > Select something with mouse, press Command-c<br> > Try to paste into another program - text is not in the clipboard<br> > <br> > Perhaps this is not new, I just tried xterm-mouse-mode for the first<b= r> > time, given that it's now the default in master.<br> > <br> > Trying different combinations of select-enable-clipboard and<br> > select-enable-primary did not help (that variables are all I know in<b= r> > this area).<br> <br> Does the macOS Terminal.app support the xterm mouse protocol?<br> <br> <br> <br> </blockquote></div> --000000000000d9eaae0629179727--
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If you use Emacs commands to put text into the kill-ring, it has to make it from there into the pasteboard/clipboard and that's what xclip does for you. On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 1:18=E2=80=AFPM Filipp Gunbin <fgunbin@HIDDEN>= wrote: > On 12/12/2024 13:08 -0500, Ship Mints wrote: > > > You need something like https://elpa.gnu.org/packages/xclip.html to > assist > > connecting macOS terminal Emacs to the system pasteboard/clipboard. > > Thanks, BTW paste with Command-V works, it's just copy that doesn't > work. Probably I'll disable xterm-mouse-mode anyway, but it would be > nice to have this resolved in Emacs. > --0000000000003e6c89062916c7b2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospac= e">I think that's because Terminal.app is providing paste, not Emacs. I= f you use Emacs commands to put text into the kill-ring, it has to make it = from there into the pasteboard/clipboard and that's what xclip does for= you.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div = dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 1:18=E2=80=AFPM Fi= lipp Gunbin <<a href=3D"mailto:fgunbin@HIDDEN">fgunbin@HIDDEN<= /a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0= px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">O= n 12/12/2024 13:08 -0500, Ship Mints wrote:<br> <br> > You need something like <a href=3D"https://elpa.gnu.org/packages/xclip= .html" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://elpa.gnu.org/packages/x= clip.html</a> to assist<br> > connecting macOS terminal Emacs to the system pasteboard/clipboard.<br= > <br> Thanks, BTW paste with Command-V works, it's just copy that doesn't= <br> work.=C2=A0 Probably I'll disable xterm-mouse-mode anyway, but it would= be<br> nice to have this resolved in Emacs.<br> </blockquote></div> --0000000000003e6c89062916c7b2--
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Thu, 12 Dec 2024 13:18:39 -0500 (EST) From: Filipp Gunbin <fgunbin@HIDDEN> To: Ship Mints <shipmints@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#74833: 31.0.50; Copy to OS clipboard doesn't work in macOS Terminal.app with xterm-mouse-mode enabled In-Reply-To: <CAN+1HbpetQ=KqYqEbFdr=+Ke7MBmvTKb7tKrznNapd4srt5-rA@HIDDEN> (Ship Mints's message of "Thu, 12 Dec 2024 13:08:21 -0500") References: <m1cyhweqhe.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAN+1HbpetQ=KqYqEbFdr=+Ke7MBmvTKb7tKrznNapd4srt5-rA@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2024 21:18:35 +0300 Message-ID: <m18qskepdw.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 74833 Cc: 74833 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) On 12/12/2024 13:08 -0500, Ship Mints wrote: > You need something like https://elpa.gnu.org/packages/xclip.html to assist > connecting macOS terminal Emacs to the system pasteboard/clipboard. Thanks, BTW paste with Command-V works, it's just copy that doesn't work. Probably I'll disable xterm-mouse-mode anyway, but it would be nice to have this resolved in Emacs.
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On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 12:56=E2=80=AFPM Filipp Gunbin <fgunbin@HIDDEN= > wrote: > macOS, Terminal.app, xterm-mouse-mode enabled > emacs -nw -Q > Select something with mouse, press Command-c > Try to paste into another program - text is not in the clipboard > > Perhaps this is not new, I just tried xterm-mouse-mode for the first > time, given that it's now the default in master. > > Trying different combinations of select-enable-clipboard and > select-enable-primary did not help (that variables are all I know in > this area). > > Thanks. > > > In GNU Emacs 31.0.50 (build 43, aarch64-apple-darwin23.6.0, NS > appkit-2487.70 Version 14.6 (Build 23G80)) of 2024-12-12 built on > localhost > Repository revision: 9ccd459e8452cc9e6e81e53f26bbeef20d2d5bb7 > Repository branch: master > System Description: macOS 14.6 > > Configured using: > 'configure --enable-check-lisp-object-type --with-file-notification=3Dno > --with-native-compilation=3Dno' > > Configured features: > ACL GLIB GNUTLS LCMS2 LIBXML2 MODULES NS PDUMPER PNG RSVG SQLITE3 > THREADS TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS WEBP XIM ZLIB > > > > --0000000000000882af0629169c32 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospac= e">You need something like=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://elpa.gnu.org/packages/xc= lip.html">https://elpa.gnu.org/packages/xclip.html</a> to assist connecting= macOS terminal Emacs to the system pasteboard/clipboard.</div></div><br><d= iv class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gm= ail_attr">On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 12:56=E2=80=AFPM Filipp Gunbin <<a hre= f=3D"mailto:fgunbin@HIDDEN">fgunbin@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:<br></di= v><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;borde= r-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">macOS, Terminal.app, xt= erm-mouse-mode enabled<br> emacs -nw -Q<br> Select something with mouse, press Command-c<br> Try to paste into another program - text is not in the clipboard<br> <br> Perhaps this is not new, I just tried xterm-mouse-mode for the first<br> time, given that it's now the default in master.<br> <br> Trying different combinations of select-enable-clipboard and<br> select-enable-primary did not help (that variables are all I know in<br> this area).<br> <br> Thanks.<br> <br> <br> In GNU Emacs 31.0.50 (build 43, aarch64-apple-darwin23.6.0, NS<br> =C2=A0appkit-2487.70 Version 14.6 (Build 23G80)) of 2024-12-12 built on<br> =C2=A0localhost<br> Repository revision: 9ccd459e8452cc9e6e81e53f26bbeef20d2d5bb7<br> Repository branch: master<br> System Description:=C2=A0 macOS 14.6<br> <br> Configured using:<br> =C2=A0'configure --enable-check-lisp-object-type --with-file-notificati= on=3Dno<br> =C2=A0--with-native-compilation=3Dno'<br> <br> Configured features:<br> ACL GLIB GNUTLS LCMS2 LIBXML2 MODULES NS PDUMPER PNG RSVG SQLITE3<br> THREADS TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS WEBP XIM ZLIB<br> <br> <br> <br> </blockquote></div> --0000000000000882af0629169c32--
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On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 12:56=E2=80=AFPM Filipp Gunbin <fgunbin@HIDDEN= > wrote: > macOS, Terminal.app, xterm-mouse-mode enabled > emacs -nw -Q > Select something with mouse, press Command-c > Try to paste into another program - text is not in the clipboard > > Perhaps this is not new, I just tried xterm-mouse-mode for the first > time, given that it's now the default in master. > > Trying different combinations of select-enable-clipboard and > select-enable-primary did not help (that variables are all I know in > this area). > > Thanks. > > > In GNU Emacs 31.0.50 (build 43, aarch64-apple-darwin23.6.0, NS > appkit-2487.70 Version 14.6 (Build 23G80)) of 2024-12-12 built on > localhost > Repository revision: 9ccd459e8452cc9e6e81e53f26bbeef20d2d5bb7 > Repository branch: master > System Description: macOS 14.6 > > Configured using: > 'configure --enable-check-lisp-object-type --with-file-notification=3Dno > --with-native-compilation=3Dno' > > Configured features: > ACL GLIB GNUTLS LCMS2 LIBXML2 MODULES NS PDUMPER PNG RSVG SQLITE3 > THREADS TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS WEBP XIM ZLIB > > > > --0000000000000882af0629169c32 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospac= e">You need something like=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://elpa.gnu.org/packages/xc= lip.html">https://elpa.gnu.org/packages/xclip.html</a> to assist connecting= macOS terminal Emacs to the system pasteboard/clipboard.</div></div><br><d= iv class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gm= ail_attr">On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 12:56=E2=80=AFPM Filipp Gunbin <<a hre= f=3D"mailto:fgunbin@HIDDEN">fgunbin@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:<br></di= v><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;borde= r-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">macOS, Terminal.app, xt= erm-mouse-mode enabled<br> emacs -nw -Q<br> Select something with mouse, press Command-c<br> Try to paste into another program - text is not in the clipboard<br> <br> Perhaps this is not new, I just tried xterm-mouse-mode for the first<br> time, given that it's now the default in master.<br> <br> Trying different combinations of select-enable-clipboard and<br> select-enable-primary did not help (that variables are all I know in<br> this area).<br> <br> Thanks.<br> <br> <br> In GNU Emacs 31.0.50 (build 43, aarch64-apple-darwin23.6.0, NS<br> =C2=A0appkit-2487.70 Version 14.6 (Build 23G80)) of 2024-12-12 built on<br> =C2=A0localhost<br> Repository revision: 9ccd459e8452cc9e6e81e53f26bbeef20d2d5bb7<br> Repository branch: master<br> System Description:=C2=A0 macOS 14.6<br> <br> Configured using:<br> =C2=A0'configure --enable-check-lisp-object-type --with-file-notificati= on=3Dno<br> =C2=A0--with-native-compilation=3Dno'<br> <br> Configured features:<br> ACL GLIB GNUTLS LCMS2 LIBXML2 MODULES NS PDUMPER PNG RSVG SQLITE3<br> THREADS TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS WEBP XIM ZLIB<br> <br> <br> <br> </blockquote></div> --0000000000000882af0629169c32--
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Thu, 12 Dec 2024 12:54:59 -0500 (EST) From: Filipp Gunbin <fgunbin@HIDDEN> To: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN Subject: 31.0.50; Copy to OS clipboard doesn't work in macOS Terminal.app with xterm-mouse-mode enabled User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) X-Debbugs-Cc: Mail-Followup-To: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2024 20:54:53 +0300 Message-ID: <m1cyhweqhe.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=103.168.172.153; envelope-from=fgunbin@HIDDEN; helo=fhigh-a2-smtp.messagingengine.com X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_SAFE_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) macOS, Terminal.app, xterm-mouse-mode enabled emacs -nw -Q Select something with mouse, press Command-c Try to paste into another program - text is not in the clipboard Perhaps this is not new, I just tried xterm-mouse-mode for the first time, given that it's now the default in master. Trying different combinations of select-enable-clipboard and select-enable-primary did not help (that variables are all I know in this area). Thanks. In GNU Emacs 31.0.50 (build 43, aarch64-apple-darwin23.6.0, NS appkit-2487.70 Version 14.6 (Build 23G80)) of 2024-12-12 built on localhost Repository revision: 9ccd459e8452cc9e6e81e53f26bbeef20d2d5bb7 Repository branch: master System Description: macOS 14.6 Configured using: 'configure --enable-check-lisp-object-type --with-file-notification=no --with-native-compilation=no' Configured features: ACL GLIB GNUTLS LCMS2 LIBXML2 MODULES NS PDUMPER PNG RSVG SQLITE3 THREADS TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS WEBP XIM ZLIB
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