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It is used only if it exists. And it isn't offered as user option, just used internally. Best regards, Michael.
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Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@HIDDEN> writes:
> Bj=C3=B6rn Bidar <bjorn.bidar@HIDDEN> writes:
>
> Hi Bj=C3=B6rn,
>
>>> And in the Tramp case, you break an existing interface. Users have been
>>> instructed to change the value of small-temporary-file-directory when
>>> needed. See (info "(tramp) Frequently Asked Questions"), which documents
>>> a user problem reported on the <tramp-devel@HIDDEN> ML.
>>
>> If the intend of the variable is the same as listed in the Tramp FAQ why
>> not set it by default to /run/user/<uid>?
>>
>> For such use cases using /run/user/<uid> is much better as it more
>> secure and on a ramdisk.
>
> Because it isn't portable. The Tramp manual gives just an example.
Portable across Unixes or Linux? For Linux /run/user is portable.
/var/run, which is symlinked to /run exists in BSD but not
/var/run/user.
However XDG_CACHE_HOME is already used in Tramp so using XDG_RUNTIME_DIR
should be a natural followup.
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Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@HIDDEN> writes:
> Bj=C3=B6rn Bidar <bjorn.bidar@HIDDEN> writes:
>
> Hi Bj=C3=B6rn,
>
>>> And in the Tramp case, you break an existing interface. Users have been
>>> instructed to change the value of small-temporary-file-directory when
>>> needed. See (info "(tramp) Frequently Asked Questions"), which documents
>>> a user problem reported on the <tramp-devel@HIDDEN> ML.
>>
>> If the intend of the variable is the same as listed in the Tramp FAQ why
>> not set it by default to /run/user/<uid>?
>>
>> For such use cases using /run/user/<uid> is much better as it more
>> secure and on a ramdisk.
>
> Because it isn't portable. The Tramp manual gives just an example.
Portable across Unixes or Linux? For Linux /run/user is portable.
/var/run, which is symlinked to /run exists in BSD but not
/var/run/user.
However XDG_CACHE_HOME is already used in Tramp so using XDG_RUNTIME_DIR
should be a natural followup.
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Users have been >> instructed to change the value of small-temporary-file-directory when >> needed. See (info "(tramp) Frequently Asked Questions"), which documents >> a user problem reported on the <tramp-devel@HIDDEN> ML. > > If the intend of the variable is the same as listed in the Tramp FAQ why > not set it by default to /run/user/<uid>? > > For such use cases using /run/user/<uid> is much better as it more > secure and on a ramdisk. Because it isn't portable. The Tramp manual gives just an example. Best regards, Michael.
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Michael Albinus via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of
text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN> writes:
> Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN> writes:
>
> Hi Stefan,
>
>> I think the variable doesn't make much sense these days, and should be
>> made obsolete. Note that it is barely used in Emacs and third-party
>> packages.
>>
>> However, Tramp recently started using the variable as a place to create
>> OpenSSH Unix domain sockets. May I suggest that Tramp uses some other
>> variable for this purpose, perhaps a Tramp specific one?
>
> Is there a reason that it must be changed? What are the advantages? Does
> it hurt to keep the user option?
>
> And in the Tramp case, you break an existing interface. Users have been
> instructed to change the value of small-temporary-file-directory when
> needed. See (info "(tramp) Frequently Asked Questions"), which documents
> a user problem reported on the <tramp-devel@HIDDEN> ML.
If the intend of the variable is the same as listed in the Tramp FAQ why
not set it by default to /run/user/<uid>?
For such use cases using /run/user/<uid> is much better as it more
secure and on a ramdisk.
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Note that it is barely used in Emacs and third-party >> > packages. >> > >> > However, Tramp recently started using the variable as a place to creat= e >> > OpenSSH Unix domain sockets. May I suggest that Tramp uses some other >> > variable for this purpose, perhaps a Tramp specific one? >> >> Is there a reason that it must be changed? What are the advantages? Does >> it hurt to keep the user option? > > Exactly my questions. > > The doc string says: > > If non-nil, this directory is used instead of =E2=80=98temporary-file-d= irectory=E2=80=99 > by programs that create small temporary files. This is for systems tha= t > have fast storage with limited space, such as a RAM disk. > > This says nothing about MS-DOS, The docstring is one thing, but the variable _definition_ reads the same today as when it was first introduced (in ffc0e1caf1a6): (defvar small-temporary-file-directory (if (eq system-type 'ms-dos) (getenv "TMPDIR")) This makes it clear that the intention was, at least in part, to support MS-DOS specifically, and it has remained that over the years. > and makes perfect sense to me. It gives our users a capability to > direct small enough temporary files to a fast temporary filesystem ... > From my POV, this feature needs zero maintenance. This feature would need maintenance just like any other, but it hasn't seen too much of that. If people had taken it seriously, we would have seen it used it in many more places. I doubt that this micro-optimization (or whatever we should call it) is likely to give much bang for your buck, especially not in an age when users are starting to routinely throw 500 MiB or even 1 GiB at their tmpfs RAM disks. Not everyone, of course, but this has been the general direction; even low end systems have at minimum an order of magnitude more resources now than when this variable was introduced 24 years ago. > But if some user has a good reason to customize this, why take that > flexibility from them? How do we justify removal of a feature which > could be useful to someone? Besides the Tramp use case (which is valid and deserves its own variable), it is used only in some very old modules: vc-rcs.el and cmacexp.el, in shell-command-on-region, and literally nowhere else. I suspect that it's removal wouldn't be noticed by anyone, even if we were to assume that someone somewhere is getting slightly better performance out of RCS/C macro expansions/Shell commands from using this. I do agree that there's no compelling reason why we must remove _this particular piece of cruft_ specifically, but I also don't see any good reason to keep it.
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Full text available.Received: (at 75306) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jan 2025 08:49:46 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jan 03 03:49:46 2025 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49467 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1tTdNK-0002fP-8r for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2025 03:49:46 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56430) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1tTdNE-0002f6-G0 for 75306 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2025 03:49:45 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1tTdN9-0007jT-5P; Fri, 03 Jan 2025 03:49:35 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=D4SvZWDecLNTLxegDhyG5pQERbtztWljbIfqXi5vxNo=; b=TbG2QHVHjnAT UeE3EEFnTgqDI8YSDKdfmfcb4mVvBbIlE7YJHPjkURc/DQbUPINQyhfy+s1eTLRQ8yps7DAj3yjBq 1wzyq6amw7qAcu8GwSEVEo5+QDdqju8L4i6Afo26Pp7wuuccNxvcebdPbBHHgvngiGfJvTLo/CLFe NeanrP/yU5tajBSaTiARBMeq2OjCUytHQ+xMi6dSJ+a6iY5FyHEe/LAMp88Rgpp121itglKC1wkfr n+jJPuk75sB0GIAoRvTt1u0Ga4uRan12LGYs4HnhhoVdDyp3lvNFSK7bxdX1Ap5lUGfLg2W0cWLs6 SdYx5fLhO67A/REePkM0zA==; Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2025 10:49:30 +0200 Message-Id: <86v7uwgu3p.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <CADwFkmmgbdNesFfQXkF9V=QtC6CSeqi1CVnP_jGzf-2c6QaCEw@HIDDEN> (message from Stefan Kangas on Fri, 3 Jan 2025 02:26:29 -0600) Subject: Re: bug#75306: 31.0.50; Make `small-temporary-file-directory` variable obsolete References: <CADwFkmk4TS4qGMT3bFguMo=7qU_-CF-pD+04johYb1B=9wZiyw@HIDDEN> <87cyh4bfv0.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmmgbdNesFfQXkF9V=QtC6CSeqi1CVnP_jGzf-2c6QaCEw@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 75306 Cc: 75306 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, michael.albinus@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Cc: 75306 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > From: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN> > Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2025 02:26:29 -0600 > > Thanks. Would something like this work? > > (define-obsolete-variable-alias 'small-temporary-file-directory > 'temporary-file-directory "31.1") I don't see a need to annoy users of this variable with obsolescence messages. I don't think we should make this variable obsolete.
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Note that it is barely used in Emacs and third-party >> packages. >> >> However, Tramp recently started using the variable as a place to create >> OpenSSH Unix domain sockets. May I suggest that Tramp uses some other >> variable for this purpose, perhaps a Tramp specific one? > > Is there a reason that it must be changed? What are the advantages? Does > it hurt to keep the user option? It doesn't hurt to keep it. The advantage is that we get rid of a redundant variable. > And in the Tramp case, you break an existing interface. Users have been > instructed to change the value of small-temporary-file-directory when > needed. See (info "(tramp) Frequently Asked Questions"), which documents > a user problem reported on the <tramp-devel@HIDDEN> ML. Thanks. Would something like this work? (define-obsolete-variable-alias 'small-temporary-file-directory 'temporary-file-directory "31.1")
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charset="UTF-8" Severity: wishlist The variable `small-temporary-file-directory` was created in 2000 for MS-DOS systems and systems with widely different specs than what we run now. Putting temporary files on a RAM disk should be done by the system administrator (usually the user themselves), for example by simply using tmpfs for _all_ temporary files (not just "small" ones, whatever that means). I think the variable doesn't make much sense these days, and should be made obsolete. Note that it is barely used in Emacs and third-party packages. However, Tramp recently started using the variable as a place to create OpenSSH Unix domain sockets. May I suggest that Tramp uses some other variable for this purpose, perhaps a Tramp specific one? 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Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN>:michael.albinus@HIDDEN, bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN.
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