Received: (at 75591-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Jan 2025 09:29:12 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jan 25 04:29:12 2025 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48506 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1tbcTY-0006WX-AU for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jan 2025 04:29:12 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:59432) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1tbcTV-0006WA-VY for 75591-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jan 2025 04:29:11 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1tbcTQ-0007ei-HJ for 75591-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Jan 2025 04:29:04 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=GHuA23nIsmhnCjvrIcROL+RpoMKi112Wwfyt85kOTdQ=; b=J/ZtPcPPAmZN O+4zLBEN5G1z57N9XD0T4+VxFtuQOxJoJRMJmHdeSGp2Xe+Ts6DnSclvwnECMm77igicZftHr4/9F 3AZIccwx/M60bE54O1ihEnqxtoZpgqbXYOlNdrVusgazn+0m1vmjYcmDRja1TUZ67RnJ02RANQXOv NXi2+v8U3KXZzcb23eFCJCwEeaHDxMvclxdEpRWN/KmsBL/vIiRiz2Wq4Y2eQEhpmtz8L90BHhu57 fmtPsgdTpyLMM/Ugau6TV0beIy6APvGtvpqh1PL5AzgYDRZeMHIklWtdPFMG6aLKWNzh5cMkhnrnK QBFUzXmrIQbFkmNHxDSXIg==; Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2025 11:29:00 +0200 Message-Id: <864j1nw8bn.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Anush V <j@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87y0zasxnw.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Anush V on Thu, 16 Jan 2025 08:20:19 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#75591: 30.0.92; Inconsistency in Function Naming: *-open-file vs. *-find-file References: <87frlkylpj.fsf@HIDDEN> <86a5brkf3w.fsf@HIDDEN> <87y0zasxnw.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 75591-done Cc: 75591-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Anush V <j@HIDDEN> > Cc: 75591 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2025 08:20:19 -0500 > > > From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> > > Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2025 22:16:03 +0200 > > > >> From: Anush V <j@HIDDEN> > >> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2025 13:29:44 -0500 > >> > >> I noticed an inconsistency in the naming conventions of certain Emacs > >> functions that I find confusing. Specifically, some functions use > >> *-open-file(s), while others use *-find-file. > >> > >> Functions such as eww-open-file and recentf-open-files use 'open-file' > >> or 'open-files' in their naming. In contrast, many other functions, > >> including dired-find-file, find-file, project-find-file, and > >> ido-find-file, use the 'find-file' format. > >> > >> I am curious about the rationale behind this difference. Is there > >> a specific reason that some functions prefer 'open-file' over > >> 'find-file' even though they seem to perform similar actions? > > > > I think just personal preferences of whoever implemented these > > functions, and the many years that passed between the "find" names > > were introduced and the time the "open" names weer introduced. > > Nothing more. > > Thank you for clarifying. I had wrongly assumed that "find-file" might > be the standard, as those seemed to have been introduced first. It's true that find-* where introduced first, but we nowadays use both. So I'm now closing this bug.
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Full text available.Received: (at 75591) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Jan 2025 13:20:28 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 16 08:20:28 2025 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60448 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1tYPnQ-0004mu-4M for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 16 Jan 2025 08:20:28 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60626) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <j@HIDDEN>) id 1tYPnO-0004mi-LY for 75591 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 16 Jan 2025 08:20:27 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <j@HIDDEN>) id 1tYPnJ-00068P-B5 for 75591 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 16 Jan 2025 08:20:21 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-Version:Date:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:To: From; bh=eVPV3yZvHmXgB/70Uv7g/jo5ad4JuFXvYO6AbK7TE0Q=; b=IVjv1dH5lKwk3xZRSqXA zEzqETYp7nyMI7gzt6TzF+V4m0kNg7CoPB1MZ1Icvyk450XYyzR8yyOX0Wo2Rv5/w7WPQXuyUfS/T kr2/NR7ZHymLkwHCKBUx1A6NorS5KHk6vTd8Snl1gIJ9Ofvw+QONoxHeliCO3TKRYNWdHEOnqeJ69 rZpds9Mt/IdPPyqHB23/B7DUq6surnjD/8iFSfuy5pYxLjEXiMcsJp/y+5OLgJlTA0owZ0QPK798w OdT9jM8/nTGo1rRiyvIeBD736aDPNSIIKBD+WDkRiDsMufHGgIXXzIAVZ3s/F3oCsZTf1C3x9rbuF jPPtmHetDdJ7Hg==; From: Anush V <j@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#75591: 30.0.92; Inconsistency in Function Naming: *-open-file vs. *-find-file In-Reply-To: <86a5brkf3w.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 15 Jan 2025 22:16:03 +0200") References: <87frlkylpj.fsf@HIDDEN> <86a5brkf3w.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2025 08:20:19 -0500 Message-ID: <87y0zasxnw.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 75591 Cc: 75591 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> > Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2025 22:16:03 +0200 > >> From: Anush V <j@HIDDEN> >> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2025 13:29:44 -0500 >> >> I noticed an inconsistency in the naming conventions of certain Emacs >> functions that I find confusing. Specifically, some functions use >> *-open-file(s), while others use *-find-file. >> >> Functions such as eww-open-file and recentf-open-files use 'open-file' >> or 'open-files' in their naming. In contrast, many other functions, >> including dired-find-file, find-file, project-find-file, and >> ido-find-file, use the 'find-file' format. >> >> I am curious about the rationale behind this difference. Is there >> a specific reason that some functions prefer 'open-file' over >> 'find-file' even though they seem to perform similar actions? > > I think just personal preferences of whoever implemented these > functions, and the many years that passed between the "find" names > were introduced and the time the "open" names weer introduced. > Nothing more. Thank you for clarifying. I had wrongly assumed that "find-file" might be the standard, as those seemed to have been introduced first. Regards, Anush
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Full text available.Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jan 2025 18:31:50 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jan 15 13:31:50 2025 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58676 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1tY8BB-0006NG-WB for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Jan 2025 13:31:50 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:470:142::17]:47856) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <j@HIDDEN>) id 1tY8B6-0006Mr-Vd for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Jan 2025 13:31:47 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <j@HIDDEN>) id 1tY8Aw-0005jn-Gj for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Wed, 15 Jan 2025 13:31:34 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <j@HIDDEN>) id 1tY8Aw-0001ZL-8S for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Wed, 15 Jan 2025 13:31:34 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-Version:Date:Subject:To:From:in-reply-to: references; bh=IeKIaWTqRgrC2R4Nwii1xqBq2w0Be45b7SHm5ItaaD0=; b=a4b07Bdpr/CXlu 3MYz62oRO2cXrTE3u8zT2y7kM+5p4dI5XtcbyQWVVxJRG0sm2yDIJZnWHiVnLpbYAaf9adUGk51AA HXy+NOLD3GLh8njZlzIyLkLOPsab8gHTWiTtx2J1eLQADe/+n9FNe4dUyvrPNGOc9bIGgV7I13WLD p4NuStrjNaoBOuMvwy0TvN31uYSaLtU4o+s7gqNpYXsBmlg/sF+ZnojFlCrnPrOIqDnIWRkF0WUfo iLvkx6z1joR2s0yz2/XjNONBC/HrM0U8OTmZ6IQ6nFlw+0cG0gG+tNuGX4BupL5YhWnLcv//owN7q l3tBIT1UbpOLw1gCsCmw==; From: Anush V <j@HIDDEN> To: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN Subject: 30.0.92; Inconsistency in Function Naming: *-open-file vs. *-find-file Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2025 13:29:44 -0500 Message-ID: <87frlkylpj.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) X-Debbugs-Cc: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hello Emacs Maintainers, I noticed an inconsistency in the naming conventions of certain Emacs functions that I find confusing. Specifically, some functions use *-open-file(s), while others use *-find-file. Functions such as eww-open-file and recentf-open-files use 'open-file' or 'open-files' in their naming. In contrast, many other functions, including dired-find-file, find-file, project-find-file, and ido-find-file, use the 'find-file' format. I am curious about the rationale behind this difference. Is there a specific reason that some functions prefer 'open-file' over 'find-file' even though they seem to perform similar actions? Thank you for your time! * * * In GNU Emacs 30.0.92 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.41, cairo version 1.18.0) Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12101014 System Description: Guix System Configured using: 'configure CONFIG_SHELL=/gnu/store/6nqyia3ra10sgd1ppzk2047ncbzjwhff-bash-minimal-5.1.16/bin/bash SHELL=/gnu/store/6nqyia3ra10sgd1ppzk2047ncbzjwhff-bash-minimal-5.1.16/bin/bash --prefix=/gnu/store/ml6xyl3py6hqfdps2sypdi7s212y7k02-emacs-next-30.0.92-0.881d593 --enable-fast-install --with-cairo --with-modules --with-native-compilation=aot --disable-build-details' Configured features: ACL CAIRO DBUS FREETYPE GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS GPM GSETTINGS HARFBUZZ JPEG LCMS2 LIBOTF LIBSELINUX LIBSYSTEMD LIBXML2 M17N_FLT MODULES NATIVE_COMP NOTIFY INOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SECCOMP SOUND SQLITE3 THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS TREE_SITTER X11 XDBE XIM XINPUT2 XPM GTK3 ZLIB -- Regards, Anush
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